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Jonathan Schwartz reportedly gave Google the greenlight to use mobile Java with Android, despite the intellectual property conflict.  (Source: Sun Microsystems)

Under the concept of "estoppel" if Sun told Google that it could use the IP, Oracle may be barred from seeking past damages claiming "unauthorized" use.  (Source: Groklaw)
Oracle deleted blog of CEO, but it's been found and republished

Google Inc. (GOOG) has a way of pulling rabbits out of a hat when it comes to defending itself from seemingly impending legal demise.  Not long ago it defeated cable giant Viacom, Inc. (VNV) in a $1B USD court battle, when it proved that Viacom employees had secretly uploaded files to YouTube to try to frame it in infringement. 

Now, a bombshell piece of evidence has just been delivered in the company's $2.6B USD court battle with Oracle Corp. (ORCL), which threatens to be equally damaging to the rival software makers' intellectual property infringement claims.

I. Sun CEO: "Pleased" to Welcome Android to the Java Family

Oracle's guiding premise in its lawsuit against Google is that Google infringed upon Java patents, which it obtained when it purchased Sun Microsystems in January 2010.  Just days ago, a judge ruled that Google appeared "brazen" in its alleged infringement based on email evidence Oracle presented.

Now a lost internet treasure has surfaced that promises to cast those emails in a whole new light.  Legal site Groklaw has unearthed a Sun Microsystems blog dating back to 2007 that offers an explosive revelation -- Sun appears to have verbally endorsed Google's use of mobile Java in Android.

In the blog former Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz writes:

I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of others from Sun in offering my heartfelt congratulations to Google on the announcement of their new Java/Linux platform, Android.  Congratulations!

I'd also like Sun to be the first platform software company to commit to a complete developer environment around the platform, as we throw Sun's NetBeans developer platform for mobile devices behind the effort. We've obviously done a ton of work to support developers on all Java based platforms, and were pleased to add Google's Android to the list.

And needless to say, Google and the Open Handset Alliance just strapped another set of rockets to the community's momentum - and to the vision defining opportunity across our (and other) planets.

Today is an incredible day for the open source community, and a massive endorsement of two of the industry's most prolific free software communities, Java and Linux.

That warm, glowing message stands in sharp contrast to Oracle's claims that Sun forbid Google from using the Apache distribution of Java, which formally hadn't passed the testing (and fees) required to gain a full license to Java's intellectual property.

Coincidentally, Oracle appears to have conveniently deleted the blog from Sun's web servers.  But unfortunately for Oracle, it lived on in web history caches.

II. A Growing Picture: Oracle Double-Crossed Google

A compelling case is emerging for so-called "reliance based estoppel".  Here's how this works.  If one company says something to another (say that they aren't going to enforce a particular piece of intellectual property) -- and then they turn around and sue that company after they relied on their advice, that is sufficient to typically drop the case if the accused can prove it was relying on the plaintiff's advice.

In this case Google is building a strong case to prove that it relied on Sun's assurances that it would not litigate with regards to the use of Java.  Mr. Schwartz has already given a sworn deposition that he publicly stated that Android was a "pair of rockets strapped to Java that will take our Java-community even higher."

The newly found blog paints an even clearer picture that Sun endorsed Google's use of Java -- something Oracle refutes.

First, a bit of clarification is necessary.  PC Java is totally open source under the Gnu Public License (GPL).  You can modify it; you can use it in commercial products; you can do virtually whatever you want with it.  Mobile Java implementations are covered under a different licensing scheme, though -- and are not freely commercially available.  This is why the Apache version that Google used in Android technically may have been in violation of Sun's intellectual property rights.

However, that's a moot point if Sun verbally permitted Google to use it.  After all, intellectual property rights are only as binding as the company's desire to enforce it.

Oracle will likely try to bar this evidence from court.   Presiding U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup is already chastising Oracle for trying to block evidence.  He wrote, "The big companies do not own the U.S. District Court, When it comes to a public hearing I’m not going to resort to Morse code to figure out what you are saying This is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Oracle. Nobody is going to put my word under seal even if I refer to your secret documents."

Ultimately, any damages awarded will likely come from a jury trial.  Oracle will likely have a tough time proving that Google committed "unauthorized" infringement and owes it billions in damages -- when the original IP owner Sun was glowingly promoting Google's use just years earlier.

If it can't exclude the evidence, Oracle will likely argue either than Mr. Schwartz wasn't speaking on behalf of Sun (a hard sell given that it was on a corporate blog) or that Sun wasn't fully aware of the extent of Google's enforcement (again, hard to believe, plus it would be unclear if this would help nullify the estoppel).

Oracle's most compelling piece of evidence -- Android chief Andy Rubin's 2005 email:

If Sun doesn't want to work with us, we have two options: 1) Abandon our work and adopt MSFT CLR VM and C# language - or - 2) Do Java anyway and defend our decision, perhaps making enemies along the way

Now that evidence appears pretty weak as it is cast in speculative light -- not an actual plan of infringement.  In the end Sun did want to work with Google, so it appears to have been led to believe it didn't have to make that choice.

III. What's Left?

The real question is -- what happens next?  Even if Google defeats Oracle, that doesn't mean that it can use Java forever.  In fact, now that Oracle has expressly forbidden it, even if it wins the case it still may be forced to modify its operating system or seek a license from Oracle.  In that regard Oracle may lose -- but still win.

The case stands as a warning to the open source movement.  Oracle came in all smiles and promises, but once it had sealed the acquisition deal, CEO Larry Ellison appears to have delighted in getting his hands dirty turning the open source movement's own intellectual property against it.

Now that property is in the hands of Oracle.  Of course the expiration for most U.S. patents is 20 years -- so Google will eventually be free of Oracle.  In the meantime, expect it to continue to fight Oracle's rights to this IP and fight for copyright reform.

Google's handset partners are currently facing similar licensing pressure [1][2] from Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), albeit without the lawsuit.  They also face multiple lawsuits from gadget-maker Apple, Inc. (AAPL) who has attacked the world's top three Android manufacturers [1][2][3][4][5], but has thus far avoided going after Google directly. 

Perhaps that's an inevitable reality for the world's biggest smart phone maker and arguably the world's most successful open source project.  

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Ellison's true colors
By dgingeri on 7/26/2011 4:27:43 PM , Rating: 4
This shows Larry Ellison's true colors. He'll screw anyone he wants, any time he wants, for anything he wants, just for the profit. He believes he's above the law and will do whatever he wants to get his profit. He doesn't play by any rules.


RE: Ellison's true colors
By jbwhite99 on 7/26/2011 5:36:27 PM , Rating: 5
What's the difference between God and Larry Ellison? God doesn't think he's Larry Ellison.

RE: Ellison's true colors
By B3an on 7/26/11, Rating: -1
RE: Ellison's true colors
By TeXWiller on 7/26/2011 8:44:08 PM , Rating: 5
I wouldn't be so sure about Ellison's existence. After all, he is a myth, like the president of Iran would say. ;)

RE: Ellison's true colors
By quiksilvr on 7/27/2011 8:44:28 AM , Rating: 3
And Vunter Slaush.

RE: Ellison's true colors
By B3an on 7/27/2011 3:28:38 PM , Rating: 3
Lol @ religious nuts rating me down.

U mad?

RE: Ellison's true colors
By PaterPelligrino on 7/27/2011 3:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
Shiva has a load of fanboys here on DailyTEch

RE: Ellison's true colors
By CrystalBay on 7/26/2011 6:47:25 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot his very own tennis tournament 4th largest in the world.

RE: Ellison's true colors
By slyck on 7/26/2011 8:07:28 PM , Rating: 2
Uh-oh. Someone is telling the truth about Larry Ellison again. Wonder how long til his paid apologists show up.

RE: Ellison's true colors
By Taft12 on 7/27/11, Rating: -1
Valid License
By Aikouka on 7/26/2011 4:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
This makes me wonder if Google is still in a fairly tough spot though... not legally, but "contractually." Essentially, Google seems to have showed that it had verbal permission to use Java Mobile in Android, but is it also possible for Oracle to now end that? Google doesn't seem to have an actual contract outlining a start and (possibly an) end date. So why can't Oracle just say, "we want you to remove it or pay up"? Google might be happy to pay up... I honestly don't know.

RE: Valid License
By JasonMick on 7/26/2011 4:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
This makes me wonder if Google is still in a fairly tough spot though... not legally, but "contractually." Essentially, Google seems to have showed that it had verbal permission to use Java Mobile in Android, but is it also possible for Oracle to now end that? Google doesn't seem to have an actual contract outlining a start and (possibly an) end date. So why can't Oracle just say, "we want you to remove it or pay up"? Google might be happy to pay up... I honestly don't know.

Good point!

That's what I'm thinking, too...

I commented something along those lines in the closing section. Google may still be forced to pay licensing fees (or find an alternative), if it can't invalidate the patents involved.

RE: Valid License
By TeXWiller on 7/26/2011 8:32:06 PM , Rating: 4
Then again, if you open a manual for that new computer component, a dishwasher or a television, at the first few pages you can often find congratulations for selecting the product in question. Google licensing Mobile Java surely would have been such an event for the late Sun to be in a congratulatory mood. The blog post can't therefore be interpreted as a permission to use Mobile Java.
I think Google decided to play a game of Russian roulette with the patent litigation and license terms in one barrel. Surely Schwartz didn't mean to parallel SCSL to GPL. Or did he?

RE: Valid License
By tng on 7/27/2011 8:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
if you open a manual for that new computer component, a dishwasher or a television, at the first few pages you can often find congratulations for selecting the product in question.
Yes, but after GE takes over Kenmore, GE will not sue everybody who bought a dishwasher from Kenmore before the buyout. Also nobody gets a gushing endorsement from the President of the Kenmore for buying said appliance. It seemed he looked at use of their software as more of a partnership with Google than a sale.

RE: Valid License
By Sylar on 7/27/2011 10:06:34 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't there some law that'll also protect Google from not being able to use Java at least for some time(to work around it) now that Oracle explicitly forbade it.

I mean it doesn't make sense that you could tell a company verbally but non contractually that it's ok to do something and then turn around and say it isn't ok once they've built a whole base around it. It gives them(Oracle) an unfair advantage when negotiating a real contract with Google now that Android has established such a large share.

RE: Valid License
By dark matter on 8/2/2011 3:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
It wasn't verbal. it was written, on a company blog, by the company CEO.

And Oracle tried to destroy that contract...


RE: Valid License
By Natch on 7/27/2011 9:06:03 AM , Rating: 2
On the other hand, if the current lawsuit is thrown out because Google had (at least) verbal permission to use Java, then Google could then turn around and start talking about a counter-suit, to recoup their losses (attorney's fees, etc) they incurred from the bogus lawsuit that was leveled at them.

Of course, Google might be magnanimous in dropping that lawsuit for, say, permanent (or, at least, long term) use of Java in their operating system. In my mind, it could definitely lend to a licensing agreement with more favorable terms to Google, in exchange for them not counter suing (whether they ever intended to or not).

I'm confused
By MeesterNid on 7/26/2011 3:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
How did those comments by Rubin get construed as some sort of admission by Google that they were going to rip off Sun!? It sounds like they were making a decision on technical merits, trying to figure out which language/platform to go with and probably looking into existing library support as well as developer community.

Am I missing something here?

RE: I'm confused
By Smartless on 7/26/2011 3:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
My only guess is the part about"do Java anyway..." But as you pointed out that's vague at best.

But in light of everything that's happened, its an interesting lesson on internet posting. I wonder how many of my emails or posts could be taken out of context and used against me (our office has strict policies nowadays). Granted I generate a decent amount of ammunition on a daily basis but than again I try to be honest...

RE: I'm confused
By Fritzr on 7/26/2011 11:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
Given the blog post the "Use Java anyway" choice moves from 'should we infringe without permission and take our chances' to the much less dangerous 'should we infringe with verbal permission and take our chances'

A very big difference when making a decision based on legal points.

RE: I'm confused
By JasonMick on 7/26/2011 3:46:16 PM , Rating: 5
How did those comments by Rubin get construed as some sort of admission by Google that they were going to rip off Sun!? It sounds like they were making a decision on technical merits, trying to figure out which language/platform to go with and probably looking into existing library support as well as developer community.

Am I missing something here?

Fair question...

If you read the ruling, Judge Alsup appeared to think that the phrase "perhaps making enemies along the way", implied "perhaps getting sued". It's a bit of stretch, but if you buy Oracle's story, it's a conclusion you might reach.

Of course he viewed that in the context of Oracle's claims that the use was unauthorized... which it now appears it was not.

He previously said that Google's actions appeared "brazen" in their disregard for IP rights. It'd be interesting to what he says when this latest evidence comes to light, particularly when he realizes Oracle tried to obfuscate it from the court's eyes. He's already chastised Oracle for doing this with other evidence, and in this case the evidence is MUCH more important.

RE: I'm confused
By majordaz on 7/26/2011 5:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
well as I see it Rubin started his statement with 'if'. but Sun did play ball, so if their whole case revolves around the email in question the best they can do is accuse google of a thoughtcrime.

RE: I'm confused
By Murst on 7/27/2011 12:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure that's how it works.

Take, for example, a homicide. The defendant may be trying to argue that it was an accident, but if it can be proven that weeks ago he was talking about 'hypothetically' killing the victim, it would be hard to argue that its not murder.

Although this Google/Oracle case isn't criminal, the damages resulting from intentional patent infringement may be higher.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I can be way off... but at least to me it makes sense.

I have read a different story
By bug77 on 7/26/2011 4:11:52 PM , Rating: 5
Apparently Sun officials were enticing Oracle to buy based on the fact that once the acquisition is complete, Oracle can get some of the cash back if they went after Google. Can't recall where I read it though, it's been a while.
Anyway, Oracle buying Sun was a shady deal from day one.

RE: I have read a different story
By ajcarroll on 7/26/2011 5:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
bug77, not sure what story you recall, however James Gosling has said in a number of interviews pretty much the exact opposite. His story has consistently been that Oracle, rather than Sun, were aggressively exploring whether there could be a case against Google.

For example

RE: I have read a different story
By bug77 on 7/27/2011 3:29:09 AM , Rating: 2
That's a post-acquisition talk. It could mean that one Oracle was convinced they could sue Google, they were gathering data for their offense.

Looks like a typo
By cjohnson2136 on 7/26/2011 3:56:34 PM , Rating: 2
In the end Oracle did want to work with Google, so it appears to have been led to believe it didn't have to make that choice.

Don't you mean Sun and not Oracle?

RE: Looks like a typo
By JasonMick on 7/26/2011 4:10:39 PM , Rating: 2
Fixed, thanks!

The right question:Who the f**k is Elisson?
By mosu on 7/27/2011 2:16:49 AM , Rating: 1
Java 's popularity owes partially to Google's Android and yet they sue in a good Apple tradition.Isn't that ironic? It looks like a new game is in town: buy patent companies and sue the crap of everybody else.You don't have to work for anything, just hire lawyers, the greedy kind.People, what are you thinking?

By Fritzr on 8/2/2011 12:34:18 AM , Rating: 2
Actually Google simply added one more OS to a programming language that was and remains firmly embedded in all the major operating systems and many minor ones.

Java did not need Android for market penetration. However Android did need a popular programming language that developers would already be familiar with. The Android Dev Team seems to have felt that the worldwide usage of Java made it a good choice for Android. After all, many of the early smartphones used Java for their app language & many on the market still do.

Congrats Tony
By Pirks on 7/26/2011 3:41:31 PM , Rating: 1
Google just pwned you again

RE: Congrats Tony
By Tony Swash on 7/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Congrats Tony
By torpor on 7/27/2011 12:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
FYI: It's bad Intertube form to reply to yourself.

By room200 on 7/26/2011 3:54:19 PM , Rating: 2
When shown in context of the comment from 2005, it seems as those Google was not "brazen" as the judge put it. It seems that it was more of a conditional statement. The 2007 blog post shows that Oracle agreed/endorsed Google's use of the technology, so Google didn't have to use the software without permission.

By joba78 on 7/26/2011 4:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
You know, I have always felt Google had a piece of evidence somewhere that has them so comfy in the midst of total war. Is this one piece of many more? I hope so. I enjoy the Google Android product!

Spelling error
By alephxero on 7/26/2011 7:06:24 PM , Rating: 2
The legal term is "estoppel," not "enstoppel." The mispelling appears at least once in the article and once in an image caption. Sorry to nit-pick in an otherwise really great article :)

Be careful here!
By melgross on 7/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: Be careful here!
By Fritzr on 7/26/2011 11:58:40 PM , Rating: 2
Even the president of a company can't make public statements without speaking to the companies lawyers and working it out. There is no evidence, so far, that this was done.

The evidence is the blog post on a corporate blog by the CEO of the company.

If the CEO who runs the company is not referring to his own policies and opinions when he talks about corporate policy then there is a disclaimer that was left out.

Don't get you hopes up
By Tony Swash on 7/28/2011 6:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
This looks bad for Google.

Trasncript from last week's hearing, with comments by trial Judge Alsup

Released Google documents read aloud by Alsup during a hearing in San Francisco last week, are equally — if not more — damning.
The first, a 2005 message from Rubin to Larry Page in which Rubin says his team is “making Java central to Android” and proposes that the company “take a license.” The second, this email from Google engineer Tim Lindholm (who was previously a senior Java engineer at Sun) to Rubin in August of 2010:

“What we’ve actually been asked to do (by Larry and Sergey) is to investigate what technical alternatives exist to Java for Android and Chrome. We’ve been over a bunch of these, and think they all suck. We conclude that we need to negotiate a license for Java under the terms we need.”

As Alsup told Oracle’s attorneys moments after reading it in open court, “That’s a pretty good document for you. That ought to be … big for you at the trial.”

Indeed — particularly if Rubin has to explain it on the stand.

“You know what they used to say about Joe Alioto,” Alsup said, referring to the successful antitrust attorney. “In a big case like this, he only needed two documents: He needed a document like this, the one I just read, and the Magna Carta. And he won every case. And you are going to be on the losing end of this document with Andy Rubin on the stand. … If willful infringement is found, there are profound implications for a permanent injunction. So you better think about that.”


By tw33kerloki on 7/26/11, Rating: -1
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