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According to reports the new iPhone 3G S's are overheating enough to discolor the plastic from white to pink or brown. The iPod Touches and iPhone 3G's are also suffering lesser heat issues, indicating firmware may be partially responsible. Apple has released no official word on the widespread reports.  (Source: Le Journal du Geek)
Apple's iPhone 3G S takes the heat

Apple boldly advertises the slogan "It just works", but Apple has its share of issues just like any other tech company.  Among the recent problems included Mac display issues (which have been ongoing for over a year) and iPhone signal issues (also a year old problem).

Now another familiar problem has been reported.  Apple's hot new iPhone is not just getting hot figuratively, it's getting hot literally.  Reports of Apple's handsets turning toasty and colorizing from white to a toasty brown or rosy pink have been widely reported.

Reportedly, the phones are more likely to overheat when playing games or using the GPS.  The iPhone 3G S packs a much faster CPU and graphics processor than its predecessor, a likely source of the heating issues.  However, Apple thus far has denied the reports and refused to comment that there is a problem with the handsets.

Melissa J. Perenson of PC World is among those whose iPhone 3G S is overheating.  She writes, "And at some point, I became aware the handset had become very hot. Very, very hot — not just on the back, but the entire length of the front face, too. I was using a game, and then later the Web browser for reading the news about Michael Jackson, all over a Wi-Fi connection while plugged in. And in those circumstances, well…toasty doesn’t even describe how surprisingly hot it got. It was too hot to even put the phone against my face. No discoloration to report, though; I have the black handset, and didn’t see any effects."

OS power management also may be to blame.  Reportedly, iPhones and iPod touches upgraded to the new OS v3.0 have also been heating up.  Writes Wired.com's Charlie Sorrel, "To add to the confusion, I have noticed my 2G iPod Touch getting a lot hotter than usual since updating to the v3.0 software. This happens while web browsing, and the battery is draining fast, too. I have no idea if this is related, but if it is it could point at some bad power-management software in OS 3.0."

Ultimately, it may be a combination of hardware and firmware power management that's causing the new iPhone to overload.

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Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/29/2009 11:14:54 AM , Rating: 5
My Lexus is overheating. Was it not Pirks saying that Macs never overheat just a few days ago?

It seems we got an overheating phone and I also discovered that my MacBook Pro overheats too when I put it under any sort of intensive task. I used boot camp to install Win 7 which of course went smooth apart from the fact that during the installation the laptop was too hot to even touch underneath and seriously uncomfortable to use the keyboard or touch pad.

Some kind of Lexus...




RE: Houston we have a problem.
By MonkeyPaw on 6/29/2009 12:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
I guess for the analogy to work, it's not that your Lexus is overheating. It's that instead of a traditional radiator, Lexus ran the coolant throughout the entire car, making it impossible to touch and unbearable to drive on the highway. But it looks cool....


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Sazar on 6/29/2009 1:26:09 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously you don't know how to use your Mac products. You're supposed to wear thermal protection and gloves. Your coolness is defined entirely by the gadgets you use and any issues with them are entirely your fault.

;)


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/29/2009 10:15:30 PM , Rating: 4
yea it is my fault that it burns like a rock in the desert while i am installing win 7.
it is my fault that apple makes a pro machine that has no intake vents at all and exhaust vents at the back that are not enough to cool the heat from a single match.
and if it got so hot doing just a simple installation, how hot would it get if i do encoding or some other cpu intensive task?

you are such a wanker. get ready for a 0 rating yet again.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/09, Rating: -1
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 4:11:03 AM , Rating: 2
first of all their market share is not growing as fast as you make it appear.
second, they get new users because of the clever ads but it does not prove loyalty. wait 3 years and see if win 7 will take a bit out of them.
third, i am not taking any welfare checks, i am rather comfortable. on the other hand, those who do take them usually own a mac (ie artistes)
4th, it has been proven many times that the quality of a mac is not even close to the quality of a lexus. you have obviously never been in a luxury car, i on the other hand have spend plenty of time in one and keep spending plenty of time in one. the major difference is the luxury and that things do work. in my mac there is no luxury, the sharp edges are eating my wrists as i type, the keyboard feels cheap, the OSX is an ugly piece of junk and it seems to lack any type of security.

you on the other hand, being a grease monkey who does not even own one have no right to defend them in any way. as a matter of fact if anyone is doing any sucking that would be you since you are a zealot without even owning one. i am using all 3 of the major operating systems currently and OSX is by far the worst. you stick to your gaming alienware and enjoy the 0 you get here. i assume they remind you of your marks in schools since you ended up a retarded grease monkey who does not even understand why a firewall should be enabled and autologin should be off.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 5:28:47 AM , Rating: 1
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all your whining does nothing to growing Apple market share, you can suck MS dick all you want but people will still buy quality Apple stuff no matter what you zealots preach here

Seriously, Pirks. He owns one of the damn things. He holds much more credibility on the subject than you ever will.

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all while you poor souls keep crying about your puny little welfare checks hahahaha :)))

More like crying after spending an exorbitant amount on something that turns out to be a complete let down. I owned a Mac computer for 6 months before getting rid of it. After about a month it was left, hardly ever switched on, just gathering dust. The most expensive ornament I've ever bought.

Why is it that all the time someone has a negative comment about an Apple product you go on about them being on welfare? Do you think you're the only one who has a job, or money? You're on a tech site, the likelihood is that many people here are in well paid tech-related jobs. The vast majority of people here have more sense than to waste their money on something which will gain them nothing as far as productivity is concerned.

It's no wonder you are a regular receiver of 0's and -1's. Even when the truth is laid in front of you, you still try to defy it. You have no evidence that counteracts the OP's argument, well at least none of your own. You think you're trying to balance arguments which you believe to be biased against Apple, but to everyone else, you're nothing but a moronic troll. Though strangely enough, I find you quite entertaining.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/09, Rating: -1
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 7:18:17 AM , Rating: 3
i gave you plenty of reason why out of the box the firewall should be enabled should i list again?
here are a few basic reasons why the firewall needs to be enabled:
1) because ports will eventually open as the user installs programs and activates services
2) because the firewall is also meant to prevent unauthorised traffic going out instead of just coming in
3) because in a public place you do not want your system to be discovered by other machines even if all ports are closed (which are not)
4) because the average mac idiot like yourself has no clue about security so it is best to prevent than to cure

i will not even discuss the autologin because honestly it is a joke in terms of security on a portable system.

now, will you explain why my mac pro got too hot to touch underneath and extremely uncomfortable to type on while installing windows 7? surely if they are the lexus of computers they would have adequate cooling and you were saying macs never overheat but my experience proved otherwise.
also, please explain why the edges of the body are so sharp that they leave dents on my wrists when i type? what happened to comfort? if i splash all this cash to get a lexus i expect leather seats without razor sharp edges.
will you explain to me why i cannot customise the interface on the so called "most advanced OS in the world"?
why don't i have sound themes to select from apart from a single sound for warning dialogs?
why are they forcing the user to do firmware flash for a simple driver update?
why has safari crashed more times than IE has crashed in a whole month?
why is the sound muffled and why do the speakers rattle and buzz?
why is the camera quality just as bad as my 3 year old acer?

respond to these questions one by one, i would love to see your reasoning behind those obvious faults to a machine that you want to call the lexus of computers. i have been in a lexus, bentley, jaguar, bmw and mercedes and believe me the mac shares none of their qualities. if you fail to respond to these you have no right to talk about macs ever again and it becomes obvious that you are just a blind iSucker.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/09, Rating: 0
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
this is a a real testament to your idiocy for all to see. yea it is the code that made it overheat and all the ports are closed although my port scanners say otherwise.
closed ports do not receive emails or html you fuckwit, just to name a couple.
the code does not make a machine overheat. if i run encoding the CPU still hits 100% and it overheats. do you blame Microsoft for that too?
windows firewalls block both ways traffic which is why it asks every time something tries to transmit. you are so clueless you are basically humiliating yourself. i don't even have to break a sweat.
discovery means nothing if you do not have open ports eh? ever heard of attacks on the network? ping of death and other variants? obviously those concepts are new to you and to apple.
the comments you made about colour and sound are an absolute joke. the datsun at least lets me change colour and sound so i can really personalise my own computer. i demand the same from the most advance os in the world.
the edges are sharp, get yourself the june 09 macbook pro and come argue again.

not only are you clueless to what a driver update is, you have also no idea what EFI is. learn about those two and you will be able to have another go at answering my firmware flash question.
so you had a faulty gateway, big deal. gateway was not on the news every other day for problems they have but apple is. go fix your laptop and do not blame an entire brand for a single faulty machine. my machine on the other hand is not faulty.

yes the battery is good which is the only thing i have not complained about but it is hardly worth its weight in gold. why can't i select the cpu power state for myself like i can do with windows? i want to be able to select between performance or battery life. where are the features i got for my money?

i am glad you mentioned the touchpad because it sucks big time on the mac. the gestures are a pain in the ass to do and most of the time they do not work. dragging and dropping using a double tap is a nightmare because even with drag lock disabled, the bloody thing locks the item for about 1 sec after you release it. it forces you to waste time waiting for the cursor to release the window or scroll bar after you drag it and that second feels like eternity and slows me down.
why does the keyboard feel so cheap? the key response sucks big time.
you did not answer why the webcam is shit. i thought they are universally superior.
why does the backspace take so long to delete multiple characters?
why did OSX give full access to the entire disk to windows when i tried smb account sharing? any security conscious OS would give access to the user's home folder not the entire disk. out of the box, it is set up for disaster, especially for those who have no idea what they are doing.

pwnd again, asswipe.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:33:20 PM , Rating: 1
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closed ports do not receive emails or html you fuckwit
ah, so you don't know what the server ports are, the ones listening for connection. okay, fine, I'll talk to you when you grow up and learn a bit more about TCP/IP. how can I discuss things with a clown who does not know the basics :)))
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windows firewalls block both ways traffic which is why it asks every time something tries to transmit
pretty funny lie here, hehehe :))) yeah, like my firewall is asking me every time I go check my email hahahaaa, what a clown! :)))
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ping of death and other variants?
wow! there are ping of death attacks on OS X? hahahaaa :)))) totally lullzz :))) show me one :))) gimme a link or something. nah, you won't, you only bark but don't bite :)
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i want to be able to select between performance or battery life
woohoo I wanna be able to control my transmission manually in my Lexus, why the heck you sold me this automatic piece o shit??? :))) hahaaaa, cool stuff. now I wonder why you wasted so much money on such a horrible Lexus that does not allow you to customize your datsun colors? you should have stayed in the cheapo car world if you don't like expensive machines. I told ya Apple computers are not for everyone, there are a few fanatics like you who are not in its market segment. this explains all your trouble with yoru Mac. got it this time, idiot?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
i am running a so called "pro' laptop you idiot, i can run services on it when i see fit. stop arguing about the firewall because you are clueless. ports open and close all the time and the OSX out of the box has open ports. DEAL WITH IT. you are the one who cannot grasp the basics.

Firewalls have whitelists you moron and that is why it does not bother you all the time for known ports and services that you have allowed or were allowed automatically. on the other hand with OSX, if i get any kind of malware that will open up a port and send out my info, i will have no clue about it because the firewall is disabled by default. where is the security in that? I am the one who has no clue about TCP? news flash for you wanker, I am doing my PhD in an alternative protocol to TCP, you got a long way to go before you know half as I know about TCP.

ping of death was merely an example. I will let you know more when i get the time to have a go at it with a couple of packet forgers and fuzzers. In the mean time stfu because you are humiliating yourself as usual.

yes, my lexus allows me to control it manually if i want to, so does the jaguar. in the mean time it would be good if you tried to overcome the car analogy for every situation thrown at you because it does not fit.

hang on a sec, did you admit that macs are for mindless morons that do not know better and fall for what is advertised? seems to me like you did. see, i told you, slowly you will be admitting apple sucks. at least microsoft is not pretentious and the functionality they offer is much vaster than what OSX offers. maybe OSX is not for me, maybe i am used to linux and windows but can you explain to me how it makes sense to design a pro machine that has inadequate cooling and gets too hot to touch when i run the CPU at 100%? perhaps apple does not design the mbp to be run like a pro machine but rather as a cool thing to look at and let gather dust?
can you explain to me why the lexus has sharp edges and it cuts my wrists as i type? do you want proof pics or do you at least have the decency to believe what i am testifying?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 5:35:06 PM , Rating: 2
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because honestly you're dumb beyong repair :) I have autologin on all of my Vista notebooks, and I can turn it off or on any time I want, same as with OS X. you keep crying dumbo :)) it's soo funny :)))

If you set a password on Vista it will not automatically log you in when you switch the computer on without the need for this password, whereas OSX will.

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Ask MS, not me :P I haven't wrote any Win7 code, fortunately :)))

Missed the point entirely. It's not about MS's code. It's about the MacBook becoming extremely hot under CPU intensive tasks as a result of inadequate cooling.

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why can't you click change your Lexus's color either? huh? why there is no damn button for changing color on your Lexus??!! AAAhhh BLASPHEMY!!! I PAID $$$$$$ FOR MY LEXUS AND I WANT COLOR CHANGE BUTTON NOOOWWWWW!!! hahahaha what a clown :)))

Seriously, what a poor response. The car analogy doesn't fit at all here.

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and why the heck can't I change the sound of my Lexus engine either?? BLASPHEMY AGAIN, damn ya Jobs, your Lexus sucks, I can't freakin change the engine sound :)))) hahaaa

Another poor resonse. Nuff said about those two.

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why my Gateway was overheating and shutting itself down when my PowerMac was working months without a single reboot?

You didn't answer the question, then again you haven't answered most of the questions put towards you. Typical Pirks with your question-based answers. You remind me of a politician. Answering questions with further questions, and never giving a straight forward answer. Thus the result is that nothing happens and nobody gets anywhere.

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Why Gateway's battery sticks out of the back like an ugly piece of excreta while providing 25% of the batterly life of a MacBook Pro with battery NOT sticking out ugly like that?

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Why is my Alienware trackpad so jerky, non-smooth, and much harder to scroll up and down sometimes, compared to MacBooks I used at work?

Point proven.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
but it is those answers that give us all great laughs. nothing stands logically with him.
you show him the obvious faults and he answers by mentioning faults that other products have.
you tell him the problems with OSX and he makes unfounded and misinformed comments about windows instead.
it is impossible to have a logical argument with his which is why he is always on 0 and -1.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 8:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
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he makes unfounded and misinformed comments about windows
Look in the mirror, do you see a dumb loser who just made a "YOU CAN'T PUBLISH MAC APPS UNTIL YOU SICK IDICK FIRST!" here? That loser in the mirror is YOU! :)))) hahaaa


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
you missed a little detail which proves my point that you are clueless. i said NATIVE apps. i can make java software for OSX any time i want for example but it is not a native app is it?
i can ask MS to be a developer and for a fee I will acquire the API to make native apps for windows and at that point getting it signed is merely option but for OSX it is mandatory.
see the difference?


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 10:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, so you mixed up Mac and iPhone in your little chicken brain, that explains your lunacy, hehe :) Well, so you can treat this fact as an advantage - Jobs prohibited all the non-native layers or VMs on iPhone to get maximum performance from its weak hardware and preserve battery as much as possible.

And by the way this did not prevent C#/.Net apps to be deployed to App Store and LEGALLY run on iPhone. Do you want me to give you a link about that, dumbo?

If I give you such a link that proves it's possible to run C# compiled apps on iPhone LEGALLY WITHOUT JAILBREAKING, will you finally shut your dirty BS spewing hole?

'Cause if you won't shut up then, I'm not gonna post the link.

Deal? ;-) I'll be counting on your word, we'll see what it's worth then :))


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By fsardis on 7/3/2009 8:11:42 AM , Rating: 2
you are an idiot.
any NATIVE app to the OSX requires approval to run. any NON-NATIVE (for example java based) does not need approval.

you still fail to understand what native means. that is not my fault, you can post whatever links you like, it still won't make you right and you will still not know what native apps are.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/3/2009 9:37:58 AM , Rating: 2
That's for iPhone, not for Mac, idiot :)))


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:46:17 PM , Rating: 2
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If you set a password on Vista it will not automatically log you in when you switch the computer on without the need for this password, whereas OSX will.
Does not affect me and most people - usually users put their notebooks to sleep instead of turning them off :P
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MacBook becoming extremely hot under CPU intensive tasks as a result of inadequate cooling
Nothing new here, my Alienware also becomes very hot when I play Clear Sky on it, so what? :)
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never giving a straight forward answer
My questions are the answers. If you don't like something about this particular Mac - there you go, there are dozens of things I don't like about this or that instance of Windows. So what? :) You can't make any point trying to say "Mac is worse" because I have many examples when Windows is worse. So you're right, repeating "mac sucks" the way idiot fsardis does it here like a robot will get us nowhere because I will find counterpoints to every stupid accusation he tries to make.

Yea, I just have lulz here, nothing serious, you got me there buddy :)


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 5:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
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Does not affect me and most people - usually users put their notebooks to sleep instead of turning them off :P

By default Vista will also ask for a password on wake, unless you have specified that the computer not to in the power options. If you do not alter this setting (which I doubt most people will) then you will be required to enter your password on wake.

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Nothing new here, my Alienware also becomes very hot when I play Clear Sky on it, so what? :)

The OP's point was that you have been spouting that the MacBook has superior cooling, yet it still becomes very hot, just like any other notebook. That's what.

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My questions are the answers

That sounds like an oxymoron to me. Your questions are in fact questions , not answers, which just further the discussion into the abyss.

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If you don't like something about this particular Mac - there you go, there are dozens of things I don't like about this or that instance of Windows. So what? :)

But when these drawbacks are made out to be something superior towards their PC counterparts, that's where the problem lies. That's what.

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You can't make any point trying to say "Mac is worse" because I have many examples when Windows is worse

Perhaps so, but something that is spouted as an all-round superior product through arrogant marketing shouldn't be "worse" by any persons' standpoint, should it?

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So you're right, repeating "mac sucks" the way idiot fsardis does it here like a robot will get us nowhere because I will find counterpoints to every stupid accusation he tries to make.

"Mac sucks" is an opinion, it's not meant to go anywhere. Whereas with your question-answers, it's more like going backwards than not getting anywhere at all.
Counterpoints? More like further questions involving the lack of a colour change button on a Lexus. Phhft.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/1/2009 9:06:17 PM , Rating: 2
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If you do not alter this setting then you will be required to enter your password on wake
Well, so Apple traded security for comfort, which seems like a smart move for them. MS did the same before (remember autorun/conficker debacle?) but it did not pan out that well. Doesn't mean Apple will go the same route though. Their OS designers usually do much better job than MS's.
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MacBook has superior cooling, yet it still becomes very hot, just like any other notebook
MacBook's cooling is better not because of the lower temperatures, but because of lack of stupid air vents at the bottom.
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when these drawbacks are made out to be something superior towards their PC counterparts
What Mac's drawback exactly is "superior" to PC? Be more explicit please.
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something that is spouted as an all-round superior product through arrogant marketing shouldn't be "worse" by any persons' standpoint, should it?
It could if the person is outside of the marrket segment that is targeted by the ads, which is clearly the case with fsardis.
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"Mac sucks" is an opinion, it's not meant to go anywhere
True, but I'm not ridiculing fsardis's opinion, I laugh at his "arguments" he pulls out of his ass... or not his, I dunno :) Opinion per se is not funny, just like a taste for music or food. The "arguments" are the funny part. Got it? ;)


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/2/2009 5:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
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Well, so Apple traded security for comfort, which seems like a smart move for them.

I would consider comfort as knowing your system is secure from unauthorised access.
Though if you consider auto-login as comfort, then Microsoft caters to the best of both worlds, because the auto-login feature is easily accomplished, but is optional.

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Their OS designers usually do much better job than MS's.

That's just your opinion. Microsoft's target market is substantially larger than Apple's. There's many more people to cater for thus there's far more places to go wrong. But I think overall they do very well to accomodate for everyone in that particular market.

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MacBook's cooling is better not because of the lower temperatures, but because of lack of stupid air vents at the bottom.

Bottom vents are only stupid to those who have no idea how they work. It obviously doesn't do the MacBook much justice having no bottom vents, it's just more aesthetically presentable. But who on earth cares what the bottom of their notebook looks like?

People that have common sense will use their notebook on a hard flat surface as often as possible. Most notebooks are built so that their is a small gap between the surface and the bottom of the notebook, usually with rubber grips, so that the bottom vents do actually come into play when cooling. Try it for yourself. Put your notebook on a flat surface, cover the bottom vents for a while and then un-cover them, I'm sure you'll find a temperature drop in the latter. With these bottom vents and the gap between the surface their is more room for air circulation.

With the MacBook, having no vents on the bottom and being on a flat surface, heat will just remain at the bottom as it's impossible that all heat will be extracted from the rear/side exhausts (wherever they are on a MacBook), particularly when heat is being produced but not circulated at the bottom and on the surface.
If heat is being produced at the front, it'll have to escape from the rear, therefore this heat is passed onto other components rather than escaping. Having no bottom vents only causes the MacBook temperature to increase, regardless of the surface it is put on.

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What Mac's drawback exactly is "superior" to PC? Be more explicit please.

I believe Apple's marketing campain answers your question. That, and OSX being "the most advanced OS in the world".

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It could if the person is outside of the marrket segment that is targeted by the ads, which is clearly the case with fsardis.

But the ad's seem to be targeted at everyone using a PC, as to say "look at what your PC can do, now look how much better a Mac can do the same thing" Albeit, these remarks are blatantly false.
Perhaps Apple should try to target their own audience more than trying to make themselves look better than Microsoft all the time.
Apple's marketing makes me think of the interview with both Jobs and Gates. Jobs said something about before he went back to Apple, when they were failing, they had the attitude that "for Apple to win, Microsoft had to lose. Apple had forgotten themselves"
All of this MS basing in their advertisements makes me feel like they are back to that petty stage. They haven't grown up, and they haven't learned where it got them.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Houston we have a problem.
By xDrift0rx on 7/2/2009 12:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
I think the only thing pushing Apple's market share up is their iPhone and maybe their iPod line.

I owned a mac mini for a short period of time and while it was a nice machine, i didnt like the feel of OSX. maybe its me just preferring sticking with the same old. but i think it has more to do with the customibility that i have with Windows. i like being able to turn off services that run in the background (print spooler, wireless zero, remote desktop etc) to further save resources. that and turn off little things that start up on boot up.

My opinion is that Windows is the superior OS, and that is why it has the market share it has. Going back to what i said, customibility - thats what windows is. thats what the manufacturers have. thats what computers are. NOT locking in their users into their little world as apple does.

just my 2 cents.

also, in b4 Pirks shitstorm


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By themaster08 on 7/2/2009 7:15:41 PM , Rating: 1
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Ah, that's why everybody here tells me to turn UAC off and STFU at last. Hehe, how simple actually :)

The option is there to turn off UAC and to turn on auto-login. You might think that the UAC is useless, so turn it off. Done. It's not forced upon you.
In my opinion, a passworded system that allows auto-login by default is just simply malpractice. If this was Microsoft, you and others would be blasting them. It's only convenient because it's Apple.

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I believe it only when I see MS market share growing, not falling like now.

In a recession it's pretty hard for a company with around 90% of the market share to grow, especially when their previous products still have first party support. The market share Microsoft has lost is inconsequential.
You still won't believe it when Microsoft regains their market share, so don't lie.

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Heat will not just remain at the bottom because there are heat sinks on the hot chips that carry heat away through heat pipes and airflow caused by fans blowing.

This will not remove most heat. Your desk/surface doesn't have heatpipes and heatsinks, and air will not be circulating between the bottom of the MacBook and the surface, therefore the heated surface will simply add to the temperature.
With bottom vents, the air between the surface and the bottom of the notebook can be circulated, so the surface will not become as heated (unless of course you are using the notebook on a soft surface), and therefore aiding the overall cooling of the notebook. Also not forgetting the aditional rear/side vents and heatpipes that most notebooks (not just MacBooks) have which further aid cooling.

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Not true, people put them everywhere including soft surfaces like their laps, where problems start to appear when their legs cover those damn air intakes.

The way you word it is like the only vents on a notebook are on the bottom, which is far from the truth.
Leaving your notebook on a soft surface will have the exact same effect regardless of whether it's a PC notebook or a MacBook, or whether it has bottom vents or not.

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If Windows were really modern slick OS with no-nonsense design, we'd see registry dead many years ago, we'd see same simple drag-n-drop install/uninstall proceduses as in OS X, we'd see application bundles like in OS X, we'd see normal and not braindead network stack like in OS X, that doesn't throttle your transfers when you wanna listen some audio, we'd see UAC that doesn't pester user with same questions twice in a row (do you want to delete this file? yes! are you REALLY sure now? YES FUCK IT YEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!).

What is it you have been saying, about a particular product not appealing to a certain market?
If Microsoft implemented everything you have mentioned, they would simply be a clone of OSX. I doubt Microsoft's goal is to clone an operating system with less than 10% of the market share, and to make all current software obsolete with the removal of the registry. The only point I agree with you on is the UAC. It should remember your request and never bother you again for that particular task.
I would really love to see the ability for OSX to be legally installed on non-Apple computers. Let's see if Apple can support all of the different hardware configurations as well as providing functionality for an 800% rise in consumers. I seriously doubt it.

quote:
See, when Apple realized in late 90s (when Jobs came back) that they have to really battle MS to survive, as well as find new growth markets (PMP and smartphones for now) - this is where their luck was turned 180 degrees

Battling with Microsoft is putting something on the market that the consumers recognise as superior through their own experience, not through arrogant, petty and false marketing.
The PMP market is where Apple does not need to solely compete with Microsoft, nor make unrefined remarks towards the competition, because what they have are great products that the comsumers themselves recognise as great through their own experience.
In my opinion, they have still forgotten who Apple really is when it comes to their computer lineup.


RE: Houston we have a problem.
By Pirks on 7/2/2009 11:02:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's only convenient because it's Apple
No, MS autorun is a convenience too, the difference between Apple convenience and MS convenience is that MS one is a heavily exploited security hole (conficker - rings any bells?) while Apple one is not.
quote:
Leaving your notebook on a soft surface will have the exact same effect regardless of whether it's a PC notebook or a MacBook, or whether it has bottom vents or not
Wrong, because on MacBook there are no bottom air intake vents to block. When I block bottom incoming airflow vents on a PC while MacBook still gets its cool air through a keyboard intake - who's gonna win then? PC that has no air intake (blocked at the bottom) or MacBook with normal air intake unaffected by soft surface at the bottom? Easy question, eh? ;)
quote:
they would simply be a clone of OSX
Is being a clone of a most advanced OS a necesarily bad thing? Whole undeground kingdom of clonemakers is making fortunes off the established brands, you know all these Soni, Adibas and other "chinese clones" - so why MS can't get rich the same way too? After all they cloned OS X dock, I liked it actually, but why not go further? I want my drag drop installers, I want my portable application bundles, I want my XML config files instead of MS-DOS registry. Just wait till MS clones this stuff too, it's a matter of time.
quote:
make all current software obsolete with the removal of the registry
Come on, don't be so stupid, really. Think about it - is all the current MS-DOS software obsolete when you run Vista x64? You can't run any DOS software on it? Really? Even through the VM like DosBox? Come oooon! You seem to be technically literate, you know that removing support of museum tech does not necessarily kill ALL the old software right away. We got XP mode now in Win7, remember? Jeez, now I have to teach winzealots basics of their own idol OS, what an irony...
quote:
Let's see if Apple can support all of the different hardware configurations as well as providing functionality for an 800% rise in consumers
They won't and they shouldn't, 'cause consumers buy PCs not because there are 1000000000 million configurations of them. I'm glad that Apple stays away from the idiocy of 1000s of the same parts but with different logos on them. We need the alternative to that to have a healthy competition between these business models (Apple and open PC).
quote:
Battling with Microsoft is putting something on the market that the consumers recognise as superior through their own experience, not through arrogant, petty and false marketing
Everybody markets their products, every PC OEM has ads, so marketing is not a real argument here. There's no principal difference between Apple ads and any other PC OEM ad, so tell your fairy tales to someone else please.


By themaster08 on 7/3/2009 5:21:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS one is a heavily exploited security hole (conficker - rings any bells?) while Apple one is not.

Here's a nice colourful picture on how to avoid Conficker that even you can understand:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conficker.svg

If a user is not taking these very fundamental steps anyway then they're simply an idiot.

quote:
Wrong, because on MacBook there are no bottom air intake vents to block. When I block bottom incoming airflow vents on a PC while MacBook still gets its cool air through a keyboard intake - who's gonna win then? PC that has no air intake (blocked at the bottom) or MacBook with normal air intake unaffected by soft surface at the bottom ? Easy question, eh? ;)

Just because there are no bottom vents to block, that doesn't necessarily make it beneficial, particularly on a soft surface.
Whilst the MacBook is getting cool air though a keyboard intake, it'll still be affected by hands getting in the way of airflow, plus the LCD panel will block much of the airflow from that particlar angle.

Not only that, but the surface (hard or soft) will still become heated as air will not be curculating across the bottom and the surface will be insulating the heat, thus having the exact same effect. Regardless of where the intakes are, components will still become extremely hot if the notebook is placed on a soft surface. Period.

quote:
Is being a clone of a most advanced OS a necesarily bad thing? Whole undeground kingdom of clonemakers is making fortunes off the established brands, you know all these Soni, Adibas and other "chinese clones" - so why MS can't get rich the same way too? After all they cloned OS X dock, I liked it actually, but why not go further? I want my drag drop installers, I want my portable application bundles, I want my XML config files instead of MS-DOS registry. Just wait till MS clones this stuff too, it's a matter of time.

"Most advanced OS" is subject to opinion.

Yes it would be a bad thing for Microsoft to clone OSX, because to do that would be discarding their own market. I very much doubt that discarding 90% of the market would be beneficial to anyone.

Sure, these chinese clones make money, but their market share is insignificant. Microsoft has ~90% market share, and that hasn't happened through making clones for 30 years. Perhaps they have taken some ideas from OSX in latter years, but their OS is far from a clone and even you will agree with that one.

Whether you think their OS is dated or not, people buy it. You buy it. I'm sure Microsoft will entirely discard the most popular and profitable software lineup ever, and clone OSX just for you, if you you ask them nicely enough. If you want everything you listed, get a Mac. That's all there is to it.

If you have that much of a problem with Windows, use Linux and run your games through Wine, Cedega or CrossOver

quote:
They won't and they shouldn't, 'cause consumers buy PCs not because there are 1000000000 million configurations of them. I'm glad that Apple stays away from the idiocy of 1000s of the same parts but with different logos on them. We need the alternative to that to have a healthy competition between these business models (Apple and open PC).

They won't and they shouldn't, because they're making more than enough money as it is, without the added hassle of supporting a much wider range of hardware configurations.

So people don't use Windows because it's compatible with their hardware platform? Given the chance, I'm sure OSX would have a much larger user base if it supported the hardware configurations that Windows does.

If you like alternatives then where would the sense be in Microsoft making a clone of OSX?

quote:
every PC OEM has ads, so marketing is not a real argument here. There's no principal difference between Apple ads and any other PC OEM ad, so tell your fairy tales to someone else please.

The only difference being that PC OEM advertisements advertise their own product and usually provide information on specs and other details.

They do not directly, falsely and arrogantly insult the competition to lure in gullible comsumers. But sure, this is just a fairytale. I'm making all of this up.


New iPhone Review
By SkierInAvon on 6/29/2009 10:16:40 AM , Rating: 5
I upgraded from an iPhone 3G (16GB) that I’ve had for a year.

New iPhone (3Gs 32GB) is definitely faster (both 3G & WiFi) however battery life SUX!

Phone definitely gets warm when running (checked with my friends new 3Gs iPhone) and he as same problem.

Called Apple tech support to complain about short battery life and longer time to recharge. Apple told me to ‘turn off 3G’. They also recommended to use the AC power adaptor to charge the phone, rather than my traditional USB cable plugged into my PC.

Result? With 3G turned off, batter life is much better (runs cooler) – much like my old iPhone and recharging time is much faster with AC adaptor than with USB cable to PC.

Of course – why did you buy the iPhone if you have to run it, with a major feature turned off?

Turns out my office has WiFi so my data connection is fast, so I don’t have to have 3G while at the office, phone calls, caller ID…etc work fine over the older Edge network.

When in my car (has an iPhone interface) I turn 3G back on (to stream radio & Pandora) I have to have the iPhone plugged into car power (with 3G on) else the iPhone is out of power in little over an hour on average.

Again my biggest issue with the new iPhone is battery life (much worse than my 1 yr old iPhone 3G – 16GB) not so much the heating.




RE: New iPhone Review
By weskurtz0081 on 6/29/2009 10:37:46 AM , Rating: 5
Man, I was thinking about getting one of these, but maybe not now.

That is pretty lame that you have to be constantly toggling 3G on and off throughout the day just to keep the damn thing from sucking down the battery.


RE: New iPhone Review
By Cobra Commander on 6/29/2009 12:42:10 PM , Rating: 3
All kidding aside, most of which is humorous, my 3GS doesn't get hot from my observations but its battery life is quite inconsistent. Some days I use 20%, other days 20% is all that's left... I do not believe I use it (arguably) 4x's more or less on a given day so I would blame Power Management as well.


RE: New iPhone Review
By PrinceGaz on 6/29/2009 12:42:17 PM , Rating: 5
iPod touch users like myself have probably been doing something similar for quite a while- turning Wi-Fi on only when needed then turning it off again soon afterwards to save the battery.

With wi-fi turned on, the 2nd gen iTouch can drain the battery in three or four hours, but with it turned off you can easily get more than double that. As such I turn it on only for browsing and to allow any apps which grab stuff online for reading later reading to update themselves (like news & sports, weather apps etc), then immediately turn the internet off to conserve power.

I really wish it were possible to turn the internet on and off just by tapping on the Wi-Fi indicator (I believe a recent review of one of the iPhone's competitors mentioned it allowed you to do that), as it is slightly tedious to have to go into Settings (which I actually have docked at the bottom of the screen as it is one of my most used apps for this very reason!) -> Wi-Fi -> Toggle On/Off before and after using the internet.


RE: New iPhone Review
By jimbojimbo on 6/29/2009 1:39:22 PM , Rating: 2
Jailbreak it and there's an app that toggles Wi-fi. Unfortunatley it doesn't seem to work on 3.0 right now, as of yet anyway.


RE: New iPhone Review
By grath on 6/29/2009 10:01:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
as it is slightly tedious to have to go into Settings


It is totally worth jailbreaking even if its just for the better toggle management. The app SBSettings, which does work in 3.0, has all the toggles, and is instantly accessible and non-intrusive. You slide across your status bar on top at any time (except lock), and your toggles appear in a popup without interrputing your app or having to use the springboard or dock. And I mean ALL the toggles, 3G, Edge, Bluetooth, WiFi, Location services, brightness, SSH, airplane mode, in one place, that you can get to faster than it takes the standard Settings app to load its first screen.

Elegant functionality like that is not too much to ask for, yet Apple doesnt provide it themselves, and they prohibit authorized apps from that kind of capability, or if they did it would probably be $15 on the App Store instead of free on Cydia like SBSettings.

Jailbreak FTW


RE: New iPhone Review
By The0ne on 6/29/2009 2:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
Don't worry, the new iphone apparently toggles itself from wifi/3g and on/off states as well, even when you turn off the feature O.o


RE: New iPhone Review
By ice456789 on 6/29/2009 10:38:28 AM , Rating: 5
You should also refrain from using any software that utilizes 3d acceleration or GPS, as those tend to negatively affect battery life and heat up the unit as well. Oh, and phone calls longer than 5 minutes are a no-no too. You should throttle down the new processor as well. Don't worry, there's an app for that (only $2.99). Please feel free to take the iPhone out of your pocket to show it off to friends (to take full advantage of iSmug), but be sure not to use the touchscreen, as this too may cause the unit to heat up. The good news; Apple has confirmed through rigorous testing that simply looking at the unit and admiring its beauty will not cause any problems for the phone at all.


RE: New iPhone Review
By koenshaku on 6/29/2009 10:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
Well 3g is also a winter hand warming feature, I hear they over heat in tropical states this is just apple's intelligent way of thinking..

No seriously, I was actually trying to buy one of these over the weekend, but they were sold out everywhere I guess I will wait a bit if that is the case, because I use the palringo chat app for hours on in at times.


RE: New iPhone Review
By weskurtz0081 on 6/29/2009 11:05:25 AM , Rating: 3
I just don't get it, did they even do any QC on these things before they decided they were going to sell them?

They have only been out for a week and we are already seeing that they have a major heat problem. If they, at the very least, tested out a white model for a week, they would have seen that there was a problem. I just don't get it.


RE: New iPhone Review
By Sazar on 6/29/2009 1:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
You're not too far off the truth.

When charging the phone, it definitely gets quite warm.

I have the 16GB Black 3G phone and I can only imagine what coloring it would be if it were white :)

The 3GS seems to be getting even warmer.

As far as battery life goes, it's so-so but seems better than the 3GS per the original post in this thread.


No, that's a feature.
By ice456789 on 6/29/2009 10:10:18 AM , Rating: 5
iCook.




RE: No, that's a feature.
By RandallMoore on 6/29/2009 10:25:52 AM , Rating: 2
That's what I was thinking too. They will spend all day today to prepare for a press release tomorrow on how this was done on purpose.


RE: No, that's a feature.
By Chadder007 on 6/29/2009 12:12:56 PM , Rating: 3
New 3.0 software now cooks eggs!!


RE: No, that's a feature.
By MonkeyPaw on 6/29/2009 12:47:11 PM , Rating: 2
RE: No, that's a feature.
By walk2k on 6/29/2009 1:02:19 PM , Rating: 2
But, will it blend?


RE: No, that's a feature.
By marvdmartian on 6/29/2009 4:09:09 PM , Rating: 3
....another HOT new product from Apple!!! ;)


Black Screen of Death
By dk494922 on 6/29/2009 10:04:04 AM , Rating: 3
I have an iphone 3G. Ever since I updated to iphone 3.0, I do notice the phone gets hot after browsing internet for about 5 mins. After 10 mins I wouldn't want to hold it no more, it's not because that it was too hot, it's just uncomfortable holding a little heater.

Problems that I have notice is the new function for switching to contact list while dialing out, phone just wouldn't go back to the dialing and the only way I can hangup the phone was to turn it off. Also I have experienced Black Screen of Death while editing contact list.




RE: Black Screen of Death
By Luticus on 6/29/2009 10:08:42 AM , Rating: 2
I've never seen BSOD on a phone before... bet you feel like a lucky winner :)

As for me, I stayed away from the iphone to begin with. I just don't trust Apple to be truthful so I don't trust their products either.


RE: Black Screen of Death
By Cappadocious on 6/29/2009 2:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
My wife and I were at the store yesterday and we had a BSOD event. The phone rang and before she could answer it the screen went black and continued to ring for a second before it stopped. The damn thing took another 10mins to come back up and work normally.

For all their bashing of Microsoft products reliability theirs are becoming eerily similar.


RE: Black Screen of Death
By fsardis on 6/29/2009 3:40:37 PM , Rating: 1
I have never seen Windows Mobile crash. I can count the number of times I have seen a BSOD since 2000 on my fingers.

Instead of advertising their own strengths (aka hot air) they attempt to bash MS. The problem is that their bashing is based on Windows the way it was back in 1998. Win 7 puts OSX to shame on any account. For crying out loud OSX is still stuck with an ancient interface that you cannot even change themes for. The window border colour and style is fixed. Sound themes do not exist because sounds to not exist apart from the warning dialog effect. Seriously even Linux offers a better desktop than OSX if you take a few minutes to enable Compiz.

I won't even go into security. My new Mac came with the firewall disabled and autologin turned on. Apple should focus on making a system that is half as good as Win 7 right now and cut the crap adverts about MS.


RE: Black Screen of Death
By greylica on 6/29/2009 4:47:08 PM , Rating: 1
One of the best comments I saw today.
Personally I like the hardware of both companies.
Microsoft Wireless Mouse and Keyboard Running Fedora Core 10 Linux on a POWERMAC Octa with 16 GB Ram, and Penguins can fly !!!


I always wanted a yellow iphone
By superflex on 6/29/2009 9:56:13 AM , Rating: 3
Perhaps Jobba the Steve installed 4870X2 graphics cards in the 3GS.
Pirks, can you confirm?




By greylica on 6/29/2009 10:36:02 AM , Rating: 2
8800 gtx sli...
There are no device drivers for 4870 in the new OS yet, then you have to wait 3 years.
( anyone 9800 in mac pro here ??? )


RE: I always wanted a yellow iphone
By Pirks on 6/29/09, Rating: -1
yup
By yacoub on 6/29/2009 12:19:40 PM , Rating: 2
Upgraded my 1st Gen touch and it got really hot while charging, something it's never done before that 3.0 OS




RE: yup
By Moishe on 6/29/2009 4:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
It told me that I couldn't upgrade mine. I have a 1st Gen 8GB...


new ad coming up
By smackababy on 6/29/2009 10:23:19 AM , Rating: 3
Want to warm your hand? There's an app for that.




What I will never get...
By Shadowself on 6/29/2009 11:51:57 AM , Rating: 3
is if these reporters/bloggers are having problems with their phones why don't they take them into the Apple store and demonstrate the problem? Then make Apple replace it or give them their money back.

If I have a reproducible problem with any product I take it back, demonstrate the problem and either get a new one or get my money back.

Why these people would rather whine about a bad phone than get a replacement makes no sense to me. Maybe they did get a bad phone. If even 0.1% of the iPhones are having these problems Apple needs to fix it FAST. There should be no excuse for this.

However, any story by these reporters/bloggers that does not end with "I took it into the Apple store, demonstrated the problem and got a new one [or got my money back]." is just the reporter's/blogger's own fault.




overheating?
By Gul Westfale on 6/29/2009 9:50:33 AM , Rating: 2
i think that is just because the typical appletard is full of hot air.




anyone that...
By MrPoletski on 6/29/2009 11:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
says plainly that their device always works and never has faults is just lying.

They are just lying and they will tell you that you are mistaken when you come to them asking why it doesn't work.

Creative labs are the worst for this. I've never lowered myself to buying anything apple so I couldn't possibly comment on their customer service but when they are batting around slogans like that it makes you wonder.




iPhone 2G
By jimbojimbo on 6/29/2009 1:37:55 PM , Rating: 2
I upgraded to 3.0 last Friday and noticed shorter battery life and a warmer device as well. I mean it didn't get hot or anything like the article describes but it was definitely warmer than it's ever been. I'm sure if I call up Apple they'll just tell me to buy a 3GS.




Wait
By dagamer34 on 6/29/2009 6:30:37 PM , Rating: 2
This is why it's never a good idea to buy the first manufacturing run of a product. Regardless of what a company says, there will always be problems.




Only when tethering...
By triadone on 6/29/2009 10:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
The only time my 3G has gotten noticeably warmer than usual was when I was tethering it to my MacBook for a browsing session. Not surprising, but not so hot that I couldn't handle the phone.




Where is that retarded Pirks ?
By chick0n on 6/29/2009 9:51:06 AM , Rating: 1
Come on out !

PEOPLE MUST BE LYING ! APPLE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM !

Damn, my X1 is working since Day 1, no drop calls, no crashing. I can even play games on it without overheating ... hmm ... ROFL !




OK apple display FUD people
By black86capri50 on 6/29/2009 3:29:04 PM , Rating: 1
WOW apple has been so convinced by the FUD that they are starting to believe the lies themselves!!

What is the woel coming to that tons of negative publicity can " Convince " a company that it's own products are defective.

This doesn't say anything about mini displayport, or DVI anything

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377




Proof Read?
By shucklak on 6/29/09, Rating: -1
display issue FUD
By thornburg on 6/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: display issue FUD
By Gul Westfale on 6/29/2009 10:01:38 AM , Rating: 3
apple SUCKS.
overpriced, underfeatured, compatible with nothing. if at least it did always "just work", then that would still be defensible; but given that their machines seem to suffer from the same issues every other computer suffers from, their prices and smug attitude (or should i say, the smug attitude of apple owners) are just pathetic.


RE: display issue FUD
By acase on 6/29/2009 10:16:45 AM , Rating: 2
easy there killer...they never said "It just works well."


RE: display issue FUD
By Gul Westfale on 6/29/2009 10:23:49 AM , Rating: 2
neither did i.


RE: display issue FUD
By acase on 6/29/2009 11:05:37 AM , Rating: 2
...yah...it's called a joke...


RE: display issue FUD
By Spivonious on 6/29/2009 10:09:42 AM , Rating: 4
So I can't use any DVI connection with a Mac without getting display issues? I'd say that's a pretty big problem.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 10:27:48 AM , Rating: 2
No, by what the OP is saying, you can't use a dual-link DVI connection with a MAC that only has a displayport without getting display issues.


RE: display issue FUD
By Shadowself on 6/29/2009 11:38:16 AM , Rating: 3
Close but not quite. The reproducible problem is with a system that has a mini display port (As far as I know Apple is the only company using this display port variant.) and is being connected to a monitor through a dual link DVI connector so you have to use a special mini display port to dual link DVI converter cable.

The only condition that requires this is driving a 30" with one of the newer Apple laptop.

Apple should fix this -- soon. Why they haven't makes no sense unless it has something to do with inherent limitations of that non standard mini display port connection on the laptop. If that is the case, Apple really screwed themselves and their customers. If that is not the case, then it should be at worst a firmware fix.


RE: display issue FUD
By amanojaku on 6/29/2009 10:11:00 AM , Rating: 5
They do the same things when discussing MS articles. An article about the 360 inevitably mentions the EU lawsuits, or Vista dissatisfaction.

As to the Apple bashing, there are two reasons for that.

1) Apple insists its price premiums are for better products; the rest of us see their products as supermodels. Supermodels cost too damn much and break whenever you try to do anything fun with them. They also require expensive trips to exclusive surgeons, as regular places aren't privy to the inner mysteries of the supermodel and cannot provide adequate treatment.

2) Apple lovers are beyond fanatical, yet they're given "hip" status for some reason. A guy with that much love for his PC is a "nerd." How is that fair? Worse, is the way Apple treats even its own fans; content censorship and lack of hardware innovations since moving to the x86 platform. Yeah, today's Apple is turning out to be worse than yesterday's MS.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 10:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
They

They = Jason Mick


RE: display issue FUD
By Shadowself on 6/29/2009 11:41:29 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand the belief around here that Jason is a Mac/Apple fan. He's done his share of making negative remarks about Apple -- some very, very well deserved, some truly unfounded.


RE: display issue FUD
By GaryJohnson on 6/29/2009 4:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
He's done more than his share of making truly unfounded remarks about just about everything.


RE: display issue FUD
By Bender 123 on 6/29/2009 10:30:13 AM , Rating: 1
Lets start a non-flammable topic in this thread...

Like Sony and the PS3?

Windows Vista?

RROD?

Why is the Nintendo Wii the top selling console?

and

Global Warming. Fact or Fiction?

There, those topics can't possibly bring out the fanatics, like an Apple topic.


RE: display issue FUD
By daniyarm on 6/29/2009 12:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
The difference between an Apple fanatic and a nerd is that you don't need a brain to use an Apple product, that's what makes them so popular. And if you have a brain and try to do what YOU want with an iPhone, then Apple just bricks it.


RE: display issue FUD
By echtogammut on 6/29/2009 12:31:11 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, I love them both. I am the Gandhi of PCs, I think both Mac and Windows are beautiful in their own ways. It's those damn linux users that get on my nerves :)

I got the iPhone 1.0 when it came out and I have been happy with it for the last (2?) years. About a month ago I tossed it 20 feet in a parking lot, when I was shocked by some static electricity (seriously), and the volume control buttons no longer work properly. I looked at upgrading to the 3G but it didn't seem to offer anything other than decreased battery life. So, with a partially broken phone, I wanted to get the 3Gs, but it looks like I may have to wait till the 3G-S v.1.1 comes out.


RE: display issue FUD
By thornburg on 6/29/2009 12:50:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Personally, I love them both. I am the Gandhi of PCs, I think both Mac and Windows are beautiful in their own ways. It's those damn linux users that get on my nerves :)


How about this then: I use all 3. I have a Macbook (provided by my employer) running 10.5, my hope desktop is running Windows 7 RC1, and I have two servers (one at work and one at home) running Ubuntu Linux. Does that get one your nerves? ;)

Each has its own purpose and they are each good for (and/or necessary for) specific tasks. All the fanboism and zealotry gets on my nerves sometimes, and then I do silly things like try to point out how ridiculous some of the statements posted here are. And I posted, I mean as articles or blogs. I knew I would get modded into oblivion, I just couldn't help myself.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 6:56:19 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple insists its price premiums are for better products; the rest of us see their products as supermodels
This is the reason I call winzealots "guys with a welfare check" - because bashing expensive premium products is a display of envy, no more, no less. If you can't afford it - shut your dirty hole and stop envying others who can pay $3K for a nice laptop with 8 hours of battery life and a decent gaming GPU inside (not the ultra high end one tho).

DT is full of some poor students and other bums who just love to bash Sony, Apple and any other premium brands. They are like children who see a nice sweetie in the window shop and can't get it because they are so poor and mommy didn't give them some pocket change. That looks totally stupid, guys. Grow up.
quote:
they're given "hip" status for some reason. A guy with that much love for his PC is a "nerd." How is that fair?
It's because PC is for techies, and Mac is for the mere mortals. Techies were always considered nerdy in this society, so blame it (society).
quote:
content censorship
AKA malware control, which Apple consumers totally love :P Otherwise they would stop buying Apple a long ago. You see, every medal has a back side, you have to open your eyes and shed winzealotry to see this back side. Not easy, I know. I've been just like you several years ago :)
quote:
lack of hardware innovations since moving to the x86 platform
Best battery life for given WHr rating and hardware specs is not an innovation? You should see a doctor, immediately. I'm serious.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 8:54:12 AM , Rating: 2
Who said people here can't buy Apple or Sony notebooks? I know I can, and I am sure others can as well.

The problem is, most of the people HERE are smart and realize the cost/reward from Apple notebooks is only high if you are going for an image. If you just want a good machine, the cost/reward is low in comparison to other machines, like a a lot of what Asus sells. Keep in mind, Asus has been making Apple products for years, up to the new unibody Macs. The problem Apple is having quite often is inadequate cooling because of the way they design the notebooks, Asus makes them, it's the Apple design that fails.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 3:45:04 PM , Rating: 2
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The problem is, most of the people HERE are smart
No they aren't. Smart people will not bash products targeted at the other market segment. If I'm in a market looking for luxury sedan I'm not gonna bash Tata or Lada or some other cheapo tin can because I know those cans were made not for me, i.e. not for my market segment. Why am I not bashing them? Because I'm smart. Why other people bash products from market segments they don't belong? Because these people are stupid.

Yeah, try to bash a tank because it's too heavy, too expensive and can't use city back alleys. Will you bash a tank while buying a Honda Civic for youself? The answer to this question defines your level of stupidity. Same's true for Mac or Sony or anything else from so called "premium" market segments.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 4:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
But, the problem here is, as far as function is concerned, the units in question are interchangeable. So, the tank to Civic comparison just doesn't cut it.

As far as the luxury to non-luxury, well, that's just not the same. I think anyone that is buying a notebook because they feel it is a status is the real stupid person. A car, sure there are some minor differences between a Lexus and a Toyota other than simply styling, but when referring to notebooks (Apple and some of the PC brands), that difference just doesn't really exist. They look cool, but they both perform the same functions in MOST cases, and they do so equally as well as the competition. The differences in the PC world between Apple and say, Asus, are VERY minimal, and in most cases, the Asus notebook have better specs for less money.

So, what type of person would want to pay more for less just because of the status that goes along with that item? Well, someone with more money than sense, and likely a very shallow person who is materialistic.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 5:12:49 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't seen a single person who bought macbook for status. Everyone I know (about 5 people, not a lot but still...) bought Mac because of simplicity and quality. Most people like battery life, a few like the keyboard backlight (one of them has lower end macbook so he can't say anything about it), they like OS X gesture control support in general, the fact that you usually just drag drop apps and throw them in the basket instead of running some installers/uninstallers, and other minor things like that. One guy loves the fact that his MacBook Air is so light and thin, works more on a battery than his previous lightweight Sony and costs less than Sony too.

So your theory about Mac as a status symbol can't be farther from the truth I think.


RE: display issue FUD
By weskurtz0081 on 6/30/2009 11:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I know people that have no idea why they bought a Mac. Marketing and status are usually the reason I find. I ask many Mac owners why they bought a Mac, and the reasons they think are true just simple are not true.

You can find a pc based notebook with similar battery life, equivalent quality, and Win 7 should be a pretty darn good OS, but that cannot be a current reason. Also, sure the Macbook air has come down in price, but, it just lacks to much for me to even consider paying that much. I would much rather pay an additional $200 and get the Lenovo X300. Considering what the Macbook air DOESN'T come with, it shouldn't cost as much as far superior ultra thin notebooks.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 9:19:47 AM , Rating: 1
but mere mortals cannot afford the price premium like i can, can they you asswipe?

just because someone is bashing overpriced hardware does not mean they are poor. it would make sense to pay extra if you actually got something in return but apart from the great battery life it has nothing better than other laptops. there are people i know driving bentleys and rolls royce and maybach and they still think apple is overpriced and refuse to pay for one. are they on welfare too?

content censorship is malware control? since when? wtf are you smoking? there is nothing out there that prevents me from writing malware for the mac and i do not need to kiss steve's ass to write the malware. if i want to write a native app for the mac though i gotta suck iDick to get approval before it is published. where is the logic in that? you are so damn clueless.

i am still waiting for you to explain why my MBP has sharp edges and puts dents on my wrists as i type these posts here. I am still waiting an explanation to why it is too hot to touch when it is doing any CPU intensive tasks. Where is the price premium justified in those flaws? Why am i paying extra for the same shitty webcam that every other laptop has? why is the sound muffled and the whole thing rattles at max volume?

why are they advertising i can press anywhere on the touch pad to click when in fact the design is hinged at the top and you can only press near the bottom of the pad where a button would be anyway? is it such a huge innovation to hide the button under the bottom part of the touch pad?

why don't you buy one of them since you are a gamer and they have such great graphics and overall quality? they can run windows just fine after all. put your money where your mouth is.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 4:02:49 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
but mere mortals cannot afford the price premium like i can
bullshit again, any mere mortal can afford mac mini or macbook on ebay, if they don't have a few additional hundred $$$ to blow on a brand new one
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there are people i know driving bentleys and rolls royce and maybach and they still think apple is overpriced and refuse to pay for one. are they on welfare too?
haha, but these people don't spend their time on DT making idiotic posts about Apple, here's the difference
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if i want to write a native app for the mac though i gotta suck iDick to get approval before it is published
Are you just a simple kind of moron or a totally braindead fucked up beyond repair kind? who told you you have to ask Apple's permission to publish your app for the Mac??? you are sooo dumb.... you are approaching the chicko level now, you don't know the MOST BASIC FACTS: nobody will ever check your Mac app, not even Apple, you're free to publish ANYTHING for a Mac ANYWHERE. do you understand that SIMPLEST OF THE SIMPLEST FACTS? or not? I guess you need to see a doctor too :))
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why don't you buy one of them since you are a gamer and they have such great graphics and overall quality? they can run windows just fine after all. put your money where your mouth is.
hahaha, idiot, if I were Apple fanatic of course I'd buy a few macbooks instead of my gaming notebooks. you never understand that I'm only making fun of the winzelaots like you :)) no winzealots and generally dumb posters on DT - no my harsh comments either. got this one, dumbo? :)))

P.S. macbooks are not high end enough gaming gear for me, mostly because of Crysis and Clear Sky, these two will fry its eggs hehe :) if I were into moderate gaming, you know something older school like bioshock, then I might have got a macbook, the 17 inch one is uber sweet machine, but alas, they are not ready for high end gaming just yet


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 9:41:01 AM , Rating: 1
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It's because PC is for techies, and Mac is for the mere mortals. Techies were always considered nerdy in this society, so blame it (society).


you use Windows and you are a certified retard so obviously a PC is not that hard to use. Seriously, what kind of moron says a PC is for techies? Can you smell your own bullshit or have you become immune to it?

When is your welfare check due this month? Have you received it yet? I know you are on welfare because you don't own a Mac.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 3:48:36 PM , Rating: 2
your little chiken brain, fsardis, didn't get a basic fact - I DO NOT bash Macs if I don't own one. you belong to the fanatic crowd, not to the poor crowd. some people are on welfare and complain about Macs because they envy rich people, but you are different kind, your problem is not in your welfare checks but in your stupidity and in your zealotry, just read your post about security, what a funny pile of bs :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 5:37:41 PM , Rating: 2
you still failed to answer what is so difficult to use in windows. any ape like yourself can use it and any chimp can press next on a couple of dialogs to install and uninstall apps.
you have not stated a single undeniable fact yet.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:15:38 PM , Rating: 1
you fuckhead never tried to install an admin rights requiring app like Rivatuner in Vista and then tell windefender to shut up and stop bothering with its stupid popups every time Vista boots.

and you lunacy victim also never tried to share your media library in Vista when you have public network(s) on it.

just shut your dirty hole already and stop telling me your lunacy stories about Windows simplicity. if you tried these things, ballmercocksuck, you'd learn a few harsh lessons about MS monkeys from Redmond who were unable to code their OS properly with regard to easy to use and sane UI.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 8:17:32 PM , Rating: 1
ROFL! i do not use rivatuner but one software is hardly an example of what Windows can do or cannot do. What seems to be the problem? You are too stupid to disable UAC or perhaps you do not know how to add it to the firewall white list if it uses the network?

Yea i am sharing libraries in vista and have been for 2 years now without a single problem. my desktop does not have any public networks on it but my acer laptop does and it does not prevent it from sharing songs from the desktop and to the desktop. let me venture a guess; your problem is PEBCK or do you get the error 1D10T?

like i said, i am not a fanboy of any software company. I use all 3 of the main operating systems and OSX is worse than the other two in most things. sorry i repeatedly burst your bubble but i am simply stating facts here. i do not have much to prove anyway. you have admitted you do not use macs because they do not cover your needs and by extension you admit they are not as perfect as you claim they are. if you want to have at least a tiny bit of credibility i suggest you go splash cash for a mac pro or a mbp and run vista on it. then come and discuss how perfect the hardware is and why you justify spending extra to get nothing better than a dell apart from aluminium body. then again if you were not such a fuckwit you would have figured how to build your own PC and get an all aluminium case for it. lian li makes some cases that look like the mac pro. you can paint steve's ass on it to kiss it in the morning too.

all my posts are written on safari from OSX, just so you drop the whining about MS. Welcome to 2009 by the way, Win 7 is on RC and will be in retail in 3 months or so. In the mean time OSX still lacks basic interface customisation features that Windows has had since 2003.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 10:05:04 PM , Rating: 1
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one software is hardly an example of what Windows can do or cannot do
One software is enough to demonstrate how stupid MS "designers" are.
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You are too stupid to disable UAC
You are too fucked up to realize that MS introduced thing called UAC just to get everyone disable it, LOL! :)))
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perhaps you do not know how to add it to the firewall white list
Perhaps you don't know the basics about Windefender if you keep writing BS like that above about "firewall white list" :))) hahaa
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my acer laptop does and it does not prevent it from sharing songs from the desktop and to the desktop
Don't lie to me, or do you want me to show you the error dialog that Vista shows when you try to share media library with a public network present? Why do you want me to publicly prove you a liar? So far you could squeeze out and keep posting BS but if I post a screenshot here that proves you a liar what will you say THEN, lunatic? :)))
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i am simply stating facts here
Yeah, I've seen your "facts" about sucking iDick before publishing Mac apps. Are you sure you don't need to see a doctor? :)
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splash cash for a mac pro or a mbp and run vista on it
And you buy a Lexus and put a motorcycle engine in it too :P
quote:
Win 7 is on RC and will be in retail in 3 months or so
And how many years until Win7 captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 6:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And how many years until Win7 captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic :)))

And how many years until OSX captures at least the same minor market share that Vista has now, huh? Tell me a story about that, lunatic.


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 6/30/2009 6:14:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I DO NOT bash Macs if I don't own one.

But you'll support Macs even though you don't own one? Doesn't make any logical sense.


RE: display issue FUD
By fsardis on 6/30/2009 6:53:48 PM , Rating: 1
because he is just a troll. he will not put his money where his mouth is. if he loves them so much and the graphics are so great he would get one and run win 7 on it. but he has admitted now the graphics are not so good. slowly he will be singing a different tune.

hey fuckwit, can you tell me why the lexus that is designed for advanced multimedia and for simple people cannot control the volume independently for applications like vista and win 7 does? can you explain why you keep comparing OSX to win xp instead of vista or win 7? it is 2009, not 2003 in case you haven't noticed. last time i checked, you evaluate a lexus based on what is on the market right now and not what was available 20 years ago.


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:56:23 PM , Rating: 2
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people cannot control the volume independently for applications
I'm moving volume slider in iTunes and the volume is changing just for iTunes, but keep lying please, I don't wanna hurt your faith :))
quote:
why you keep comparing OSX to win xp
Why XP market share is so huge compared to Vista? ;) Tell me lunatic, tell me another funny story of yours :)))


RE: display issue FUD
By Pirks on 6/30/2009 7:19:32 PM , Rating: 1
supporting Macs != ridiculing winzealots, I'd ridicule them about Linux too but their chicken brains are focused on the most successful market player now (Apple), nobody cares about Linux.

otherwise I'd be called "Linux zealot" here, although I wouldn't give a shit about it, I'd just catch some lulz here reading posts from dumb people like chicko or fsardis or any other winzealot.

and if I were supporting Apple FOR REAL I'd buy a few Macs already. you zealots are unfortunately too dumb to understand that. sigh


RE: display issue FUD
By themaster08 on 7/1/2009 6:20:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
and if I were supporting Apple FOR REAL I'd buy a few Macs already. you zealots are unfortunately too dumb to understand that. sigh

Basically you've just admitted that you're a troll. Thanks for that confirmation, although we've known all along.


RE: display issue FUD
By xDrift0rx on 7/2/2009 1:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
i think the arguments with Pirks are FAR more entertaining than the short articles posted by DT. It's funny to see him bring up the same failure points everytime.


RE: display issue FUD
By Einy0 on 6/29/2009 10:17:11 AM , Rating: 3
hmm I always consider DT as being pro Apple...


RE: display issue FUD
By Proxes on 6/29/2009 1:26:55 PM , Rating: 1
Any site that seems to go out of its way to post anything they can about Apple, good or bad, is pro Apple in my book.

I'm just waiting for the Jason Mick article about how Steve Jobs has "returned to work."


RE: display issue FUD
By sweetsauce on 6/29/2009 10:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
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