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Samsung was the no. 2 LCD TV manufacturer during Q4 2007.

LCD vs. CRT  (Source: Business Wire)
Report puts Sony LCD TVs as top brand with Samsung a close second

DisplaySearch released a report this week that shows for the first time ever LCD TV shipments outpacing CRT TVs worldwide in Q4 2007. According to the report, global TV shipments grew 21% quarter to quarter and 5% year to year. The total number of TVs shipped was nearly 200 million units worldwide.

2007 was the first year where TV revenues exceeded $100 billion with Q4 2007 revenues alone counting for $32.9 billion of that number. DisplaySearch says that LCD unit share grew worldwide, but the strongest growth in LCD unit share was seen in Europe. Developing nations showed the greatest increase in LCD unit share with Latin America, Asia Pacific, Middle East, and Africa rising a combined 106% year over year.

CRT TV shipments fell from 77% of global TV shipments in Q1 2006 to 46% of global shipments in Q4 2007. LCD made impressive gains against rear projection TVs and Plasma TVs as well.

LCD TV share increased from 44% to 65% year over year while plasma dropped from 40% to 31% and rear projection TV dropped from 16% to 3%. That massive drop in rear projection was no doubt helped by Sony pulling out of the rear projection market in 2007.

DisplaySearch says that Sony was the number one brand of LCD TV in Q4 2007 with 19.5% of the market. Samsung followed in a very close second place with 19.3% of the LCD TV market. Philips was a distant third with 10.1% of the LCD market with Sharp sitting at the same 10.1% share. The fifth place company was LG with 7.7% of the market.



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An extra tidbit
By AlphaVirus on 2/20/2008 1:13:57 PM , Rating: 6
quote:
DisplaySearch says that Sony was the number one brand of LCD TV in Q4 2007 with 19.5% of the market. Samsung followed in a very close second place with 19.3% of the LCD TV market. Philips was a distant third with 10.1% of the LCD market with Sharp sitting at the same 10.1% share. The fifth place company was LG with 7.7% of the market.

From that same website was a link
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2008/02/1...

It says
quote:
Samsung stays world's No. 1 TV maker

SEOUL, Feb. 19 (Yonhap) -- South Korean electronics giant Samsung Electronics Co. beat its rivals to become the largest TV maker in the world in 2007, a market researcher said Tuesday.

According to DisplaySearch , Samsung Electronics ranked first in terms of the number of products sold last year by claiming 13.6 percent of the global market.

South Korean rival LG Electronics Inc. came second with a market share of 11.4 percent, followed by Royal Philips Electronics N.V. with 7.4 percent and Sony Corp. with 6.6 percent.

In terms of sales, Samsung also ranked first with a market share of 17.8 percent last year, the researcher said. Samsung succeeded in maintaining its lead in both sales and the number of products sold for two consecutive years.

Samsung is the world's leading manufacturer of TVs, semiconductors and mobile handsets. It aims to sell 42 million TVs including flat panel screen and projection TVs this year.

So even though Sony sold more flat panels, Samsung did outsell overall in TV's.

I know I am in the market for a new hi-def for my bluray library but can not decide between Plasma and DLP.




RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 1:54:39 PM , Rating: 2
Last month I bought a Samsung 6189S. This 61" 1080p DLP with the second generation LED light engine, with three HDMI 1.3 inputs (plus component, S-video, etc), has a tremendous picture.

After a bit of tweaking the color, contrast, etc. It's about the best I've seen.

While like all DLP's, the vertical angle isn't perfect, in that moving up and down does change the color a bit, it's not nearly as bad in that respect as an LCD is. The horizontal angle is very large. No difference at all moving to the sides of the room. That's something you can't do with an LCD.

You can select from standard color gamut, sRGB (the hi def standard) wide band, and deep color (xvYCC), good if your source outputs it.

It weighs 74.5 pounds, and is 14.5 inches deep, but the edges are very shallow, so unless you move to the side, it looks about three inches deep.

It runs on GNU Linux, and has a USB port for firmware upgrades or for watching photos.

There's a lot more.

I know I sound like a salesman, but this is really good. I paid $2700 total from Crutchfields (though if you call them, you may get it cheaper), who will bring it up stairs, if required, set it up on your console, and even plug the cables in, if you need it (though you do have to buy them).

They also give 30 day replacement, and lifetime tech support.

Right now rear projection is the best buy for larger sizes, and the LED light engine is said by Samsung to last for 20,000 hours, or 9 years at 6 hours a day, more than enough for me, as I don't plan of having it for 9 years.


RE: An extra tidbit
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/20/2008 2:05:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have the same TV. It's totally fantastic.


RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 3:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
I had made this audio/video cabinet out of aluminum extrusions, and tropical hardwoods (VERY strong). It's 66.5 inches wide. I was going to get the Samsung 7289S (72") instead, which is almost exactly 66.5 inches wide itself, but Crutchfields doesn't carry that model, and it weighs a lot more.

This one is great, but the bigger size would have been a bit better at the 14 foot viewing distance we need.


RE: An extra tidbit
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/20/2008 4:14:01 PM , Rating: 2
I got the Samsung branded stand -- it's expandable for most of the 50 through 72" models. Cab would have been better, but I move around a lot so I didn't want to settle with something that would only work in my current residence.

Would love to see the carpentry. If you get a chance I'd love to see a picture of it.


RE: An extra tidbit
By Mojo the Monkey on 2/20/2008 2:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
I would have to agree with the new DLP. I just helped put in a new 67" DLP from Samsung. That sucker weighed only 90 pounds (its MUCH less than you think when you look at the screen) and the footprint (rear and below-screen) was a shocker too. And the blues.... good god the blues. Very vivid.

It would be my first choice if my wife wasnt concerned about the TV being "too big". Have you ever heard such nonsense!?!


RE: An extra tidbit
By phattyboombatty on 2/20/2008 2:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
My wife was the same way when I was first in the market for a big screen. I ended up getting a 50" Samsung DLP (after a lot of arguing from my wife that a screen that size was unnecessary). Not too long afterwards, she got accustomed to the screen size and now wants something larger.


RE: An extra tidbit
By Hieyeck on 2/20/2008 3:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
Quick, it's your one chance to say "I told you so"


RE: An extra tidbit
By Spuke on 2/20/2008 3:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
Interestingly, my wife was the one that suggested we get our 56" DLP because our old 27" looked too small against the wall in our family room.


RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 3:37:10 PM , Rating: 2
My wife didn't understand the need either. But when it arrived, she liked it so much that she had us do a Superbowl party. She never watches football (fortunately we're in NYC, and the Giants were in it).

Last week, she wanted to watch the Datona 500, which we did, all afternoon and into the evening, She HATES car races!

I'm wondering what we'll watch next.


RE: An extra tidbit
By bryanW1995 on 2/20/2008 8:39:00 PM , Rating: 2
deep throat in hd?


RE: An extra tidbit
By elessar1 on 2/21/2008 9:13:26 AM , Rating: 2
<old over abused joke>

In soviet russia, deep throat hd's you!!!!

</old over abused joke>


RE: An extra tidbit
By Oregonian2 on 2/20/2008 3:45:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
While like all DLP's, the vertical angle isn't perfect, in that moving up and down does change the color a bit, it's not nearly as bad in that respect as an LCD is. The horizontal angle is very large. No difference at all moving to the sides of the room. That's something you can't do with an LCD.


We went for the best PQ and went plasma (a Panasonic 58" one). It can be looked at nearly from the edge w/o any problem whatsoever -- still looking great. Not only side to side but up/down as well.

Although plasma is losing overall marketshare, it's actually growing -- its more a matter of LCD growing faster, and that's where the bulk of the sales are (Plasmas dominate the larger screen sizes where things like 32" ones that sell like hotcakes are LCD only).

Plasmas do weigh more than LCD's, but our new 58" Plasma still weighed less than the 32" Sony CRT TV that it replaced. :-)


RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 3:49:06 PM , Rating: 2
There is a slight vertical change, but not much. There is no horizontal change at all moving from one side of my 16 foot wide living room to the other. That's whether I'm five feet in front of the set, or twenty five feet away.


RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 1:58:54 PM , Rating: 2
I forgot to mention, when comparing to plasma. A 60 inch plasma with 1080p costs more than twice as much, uses more power, is much heavier, and has blacks that aren't as good on really good content.

This also does a pretty good job of upscaling DVD.

They also have smaller models, a 50 and a 58 inch.


RE: An extra tidbit
By phattyboombatty on 2/20/2008 2:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm in total agreement with you on the DLP's. I've never been able to understand why so many people opt for the more expensive and lower quality flat panels. All I can think of is that they are somehow persuaded that "thinner is better." In my experience, very few people that buy a flat panel actually mount them on the walls (and those that do put them in awful viewing locations such as above a fireplace where you have to strain your neck and look up four feet to see the picture). The vast majority of people in my experience stick the panel either in an entertainment cabinet or on top of a stand, where the thinness of the panel provides no practical benefit.

It was a no-brainer for me when I purchased my DLP, because I got a superior picture at a cheaper cost.


RE: An extra tidbit
By mmntech on 2/20/2008 3:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
You brought up the fireplace thing that designers are suggesting. This bugs me to no end since if you actually use it, you stand a good chance of wrecking the TV.

I've got a 40'' CRT based front projection Toshiba HDTV. One of the best TVs I've owned. It's even got quality speakers and a low power sub-woofer built in. Unfortunately, it only handles 1080i but not 720p or 1080p, which most HD content is in these days. I think people like the thinner TVs because even if you aren't mounting it on a wall, they do take up less space. The TV I have is like a piece of furniture and weighs some 200lbs. However, I think the main reason people don't buy DLP is because they're ignorant of it. Most retailers don't push them, instead focusing on LCD and Plasma. People think those are better. That's all that matters in the end, even if it's not true.


RE: An extra tidbit
By semo on 2/20/2008 4:52:30 PM , Rating: 2
here in england i haven't seen a dlp tv in a street shop and it's very hard finding them online too.

if anyone knows a british retailer that sells those samsung dlps, pls share!


RE: An extra tidbit
By Chudilo on 2/20/2008 3:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
First: I bet if you set both sets in a normally lit room (with some filtered or direct sunlight). You'd have some serious difficulty watching this TV.
Second: If you set this set next to a decent Plasma properly with proper cabling and calibrated the colors. This wouldn't be an argument.
All these rear projection sets may look good on paper (bigger brighter, more contrast and so on) But in reality all those specs only matter in tests.
The quality might be similar if you don't sit at exactly a 90 degree angle to the TV vertically and horizontally. and the room is murky at least. So if you're setting up a home theater in your basement,it's great. If you want to use it as a regular TV in your living room, that has more then just a couple of seats directly across the TV, then projection is not an option unless of course you don't care about the Picture quality and color accuracy at all.


RE: An extra tidbit
By phattyboombatty on 2/20/2008 3:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
I'll admit that a properly calibrated Pioneer Elite plasma panel will look awesome and can't be matched by a RPD. But the point made above is that you'd have to pay 3x as much for this panel as you would for a comparably sized DLP.

You don't seem to be making any of your arguments about the quality of DLP sets from personal experience. My first DLP set was placed in a living room opposite a large bay window that let in a lot of sunlight. The tv wasn't "unwatchable" as you assume. Also, as was already mentioned in a previous post, there are no problems with the horizontal viewing angle on a DLP. There are vertical viewing angle issues, but those aren't encountered in any normal television watching positions.


RE: An extra tidbit
By AmbroseAthan on 2/20/2008 3:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
While your counter has some half valid points, it highly overstates the the limits of the newer DLP's.

The biggest oversight you had is cost. Going by Crutchfield, a 58" Plasma (Samsung or Panasonic) is ~$3,500; a 61" DLP (Samsung) is ~$2,400. That is a BIG difference for alot of people. (LCD's 60"+ you are looking at $6,000 or more)

The newer DLP's are plenty bright for well-lit rooms. Yes, if directly compared to a Plasma they are dimmer, but not dim enough to make a bad picture. The picture is still exceptional; I have one in a sun-lit room and it is a much older 42" model.

And with regards to viewing angles, this always boggles my mind on the vertical. Who is watching their TV and looking nearly straight down at it, or laying in front of it looking up from only a couple of feet? If you have a 61" DLP, you will be sitting a good distance away, and the vertical viewing angle will almost never be large at all. With regards to the horizontal, I can see if you have a U-shaped living room and the TV at the top of the U, the people at the edge's of the U will have trouble; but anyone who is sitting with at least a 45 degree angle will be fine. My DLP is setup in the corner of my living room; standing on either wall (so ~45degrees) the picture looks exactly the same as straight on.

Basically; projection is defintiely an option for people who are looking for a larger TV. Is its picture as good as a Plasma or LCD? No. But is its picture still exceptional? YES.


RE: An extra tidbit
By melgross on 2/20/2008 3:45:34 PM , Rating: 2
You are wrong about that. For sure.

My business was color, for many years. I started in fashion photography in 1969, and owned a commercial color lab for 28 years. Color is very important to me.

This model, and I'm not speaking for others, has the best color I've seen in a Tv. Blacks are definitely better than with even the best plasmas.

And you are totally wrong about the horizontal seating. I can move across the entire width of my 16 foot wide living room, where the set is in the middle, and there is NO change. None whatsoever.


RE: An extra tidbit
By Oregonian2 on 2/20/2008 6:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
When I was in the hunt last December, I found both DLP's and LCDs that did very well with left-right viewing angles as well as units that did very very poorly. Depends upon the unit (although with Plasmas, they pretty much all did well in this regard because it's somewhat inherent in the way they're made).

As to comments about price, I'll certainly agree there wholeheartedly. It made me gag in the $4400 I paid for my TH-58PZ750U Plasma at a local dealer (they're on sale now on clearance shelves for less now). And even though I could have gotten it for a few hundred less through an internet shop, I'd still have been gagging -- particularly when compared to the MUCH lower prices of other sets, especially rear projection sets. But I'll be using this set until it breaks seriously (last set, a Sony 32" XBR took 13 years). So I wanted it to be the best I could afford -- I'm going to live with it for a long time. I'm too poor to buy cheap. I buy once and keep it. And at least for me, I bought the best I could for the money I paid, even if I could buy cheaper.

P.S. - An no it's not above a fireplace, that's an ergonomically poor place for TV's to go. Center of the screen is at almost exactly eye-height in our viewing positions. It is on an articulating arm though -- I can easily turn it nearly perpendicular to the wall should I want to access the back wiring or whatever. :-)


Quality sells
By TerranMagistrate on 2/20/2008 1:06:03 PM , Rating: 4
So it's no wonder that the Sony Bravia line of TVs have the highest marketshare. Very pricey though...




RE: Quality sells
By Mojo the Monkey on 2/20/2008 1:13:22 PM , Rating: 2
its too bad still havent seen the foretold price plummet of plasma systems. I read for a while about the gap closing in quality, contrast, etc. But man, my brand new name-brand LCD still doest compare to the exact same brand's plasma that my parents have.


RE: Quality sells
By TerranMagistrate on 2/20/2008 1:20:58 PM , Rating: 2
But one major drawback of plasma sets is the burn-in possibility when playing games and such.


RE: Quality sells
By SavagePotato on 2/20/2008 1:29:41 PM , Rating: 1
Games are starting to take that into account. All the new ps3 games I've gotten in the last 6 months on screen displays that fade or at the least are highly transparent to compensate for this.

Played rachet and clank for hours and hours and hours with no image retention much less burn in at any time on my Samsung plasma.

Some older games are worrying, Ninja gaiden sigma has a bright huge health bar that leaves image retention very fast.


RE: Quality sells
By Chris Peredun on 2/20/2008 1:57:14 PM , Rating: 2
Retention from static images isn't what bothers me nearly as much as the differential in brightness with letterboxed 2.35:1 or pillarboxed 4:3 content.

After a five-minute "wash" of full-screen images (many people have made DVDs that contain colour transitions only for this purpose) it mostly goes away ... but there's still that nagging feeling that you'll get a tic-tac-toe appearance on your screen, where the corners are brightest, the top and bottom next, then sides, and finally the center, where all of the aspect ratios align.

Hopefully the LCD manufacturers deliver LED-based panels soon.


RE: Quality sells
By eye smite on 2/20/2008 2:48:05 PM , Rating: 4
Also your lightbill would take a dramatic rise from the plasma tv. Last I read stats and it's been a while, but plasma's were in the 4 to 500 watt range and LCD's of very large size stay below 60 watts usage.


RE: Quality sells
By peldor on 2/20/2008 4:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
Not quite. Large LCDs (50"+) still use hundreds of Watts. Not as much as plasma, true, but LCDs are not nearly as energy efficient as you suggest.

For example, picking three Sony LCDs as they are the most popular according to the article:
46" 260W
52" 320W
70" 650W


RE: Quality sells
By BruceLeet on 2/20/2008 1:17:09 PM , Rating: 5
Im 22, I can't wait to own a 52" OLED when I'm 28.


Who's left?
By tricon on 2/20/2008 1:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
Now that Sony, Epson, and Hitachi have all abandoned rear projection, who is still left producing them? ...And why doesn't the picture link to a larger image of the Korean girl...err tv




RE: Who's left?
By RamarC on 2/20/2008 1:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
mitsubishi and samsung for sure. $1999 for a 65"er ain't bad.


RE: Who's left?
By walk2k on 2/20/2008 1:56:47 PM , Rating: 2
Mits and Samsung are still making DLPs.

Panasonic is still making RP-LCD sets.

A few of the Sony SXRD are still available at retail.


RE: Who's left?
By TemjinGold on 2/20/2008 1:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
Hehe... here's another vote for a larger pic of the umm... tv. :)


RE: Who's left?
By mattclary on 2/20/2008 2:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
Ditto! More gadget waifs!


RE: Who's left?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/20/2008 1:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Texas Instruments made billions of DLP, which is a form of projection. DLP is still very much alive too -- CRT, not so much.


money money money
By Screwballl on 2/20/2008 1:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
Of course, nowadays it costs these companies close to the same to make and market a LCD than it does a CRT display but when you look at a tube TV versus similarly sized LCD, the LCD is $400-1800 more. All this extra money in the pockets of everyone involved except the consumer.
The only area where the prices are fairly close in most cases are computer monitors (CRT vs LCD) and even nowadays LCD computer monitors are cheaper than LCD TVs for some odd reason when many times the TV is only 720p or 1080p and the computer LCD can be much higher resolution. 19" widescreen LCD: TV = 720p, PC = 900p




RE: money money money
By mattclary on 2/20/2008 2:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure that it costs more to make an LCD than a tube. Tube technology has been around for decades and is very mature. And relatively low-tech by todays standards. I think the margins on flat panels are actually pretty low right now.


RE: money money money
By Oregonian2 on 2/20/2008 6:57:32 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I read somewhere that margins on CRT sets are quite large. The cost to make them is very very low. It's very low tech (including the electronics) with capital equipment costs nil and/or long paid off -- as compared with x-generation plants for LCD's or Plasma that cost a zillion dollars and whose technology will be obsoleted by a next-generation plant in a few years. CRT's been there, done that a loooong time ago.


I wonder how US only sales stacked up...
By RamarC on 2/20/2008 1:17:56 PM , Rating: 2
...if 13" or smaller sets are eliminated. I can't believe tube TVs were outselling flat panels last year for 19" or larger sets.




By martinrichards23 on 2/20/2008 2:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
That's what I thought, but I suppose CRTs still sell well in poorer countries. I don't even remember the last time I saw a CRT for sale.


Something missing?
By bpwilldo on 2/20/2008 1:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
If LCD, plasma and RP had a combined 99% of the market, that left CRT with only 1%. Sure those figures aren't for HDTV? With CRT having the lions share of SD?

Just wondering.




America
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RE: America
By Owls on 2/20/2008 1:27:05 PM , Rating: 1
Crystal clear, is that you?


Sony won! PS3 won!
By IntelGirl on 2/20/08, Rating: -1
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