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Alternatively RIM may scrap handset business, turn to licensing services

With a disastrous quarter, which saw sales sink even lower than analysts' pessimistic predictions, time is running out for Research in Motion, Ltd.  Posting its second straight operating loss, RIM has committed to laying off approximately a third of its workforce.  Meanwhile share prices fell another 18 percent, marking a 70 percent slide in value for the year.  Share prices are at their lowest level since Sept. 2003.  Shares are priced at approximately 1/20th of their peak value in mid-2008.

A new Reuters report cites a source close to RIM, who shares a picture rich in confidential information on the pressure facing the embattled company's board.  The source claims that in recent months RIM has been approached by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) CEO Steve Ballmer, who offered it financial assistance in exchange for ditching its upcoming QNX-based BlackBerry 10 operating system for Windows Phone.

RIM would then join Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) as a second rehab project for Microsoft.

RIM board members are being forced to take the deal seriously, given that the BB10 release has now slipped to another half year away.  That means that it has taken RIM essentially three years to bring its new OS to the smartphone market, given that RIM purchased the relatively polished QNX in April 2010.

RIM Windows Phone 8
RIM is reportedly entertaining an offer from Microsoft to adopt Windows Phone 8.

Board members are reportedly resistant to the tie-up, though, given that it would mark the end of their company's independence.

The board is also considering a second, equally painful proposal to split the company's network business off and sell it to a private equity firm.  In many ways this marks the board returning to an idea of ex-CEO Jim Balsillie, who just before his ousting was exploring a plan to open RIM's secured email, messaging, and internet services up to third-party devices, such as Android smartphones.

But according to Reuters, such a plan might prove fatal to BB10 and the device business.

A final possibility would be to sell the company's wireless patent portfolio to Microsoft to try to scrounge up the cash needed to survive the BB10 delays and slumping sales.

But ultimately RIM may face a tough choice before the end of the year -- pledge fealty to Microsoft at the cost of independence, or scrap the handset business it worked so hard last decade to build.

Source: Reuters

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This will be a fantastic partnership.
By crispbp04 on 6/29/2012 1:27:50 PM , Rating: 2
This partnership will happen.

Nokia + Blackberry + MSFT = enterprise domination on great hardware with an operating system that will be adopted by the masses.

If someone with an intelligent thought wants to dispute this, I'd be curious to hear your explanation.

By Manch on 6/29/2012 1:42:11 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia build quality, MS UI, and a BB keyboard!!!! Now only if they start cramming in hardware like what android has, and it would awesome!

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Pirks on 6/29/12, Rating: 0
By kleinma on 6/29/2012 2:51:32 PM , Rating: 4
If BB10 wins the market? Don't you know pirks, that you are supposed to pass around whatever you are smoking?

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Belard on 6/29/2012 4:43:58 PM , Rating: 4
Pirks.... RIM doesn't have $2.2billion in cash to play with.

BB10 is too late in the game. If they rolled it LAST year, we could see what the deal is. The fact that people LIKE you are thinking that BB10 will save RIM is proof that the current BB-OS has problems.

Hey... didn't I just post that for RIM to live, they need to go Android or maybe MS? Android is pretty much free. Neither will make RIM money in APP sales.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Pirks on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Belard on 6/29/2012 6:37:25 PM , Rating: 3
Just paying the salaries alone for a year can equal about 1.2 billion dollars. And if they have nothing coming in... to pay for other overhead and what-nots...

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/1/2012 9:22:44 AM , Rating: 2
he doesn't understand how a big business runs. it's quite obvious.

By Pirks on 7/2/2012 2:44:51 PM , Rating: 1
yeah, like a cheese clown here understands it hahaha
mister big clown business speaking eh?
enlighten us with your insightful opinion piece if you can
I bet you can't though

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By OoklaTheMok on 6/29/2012 6:56:49 PM , Rating: 4
I loved BBM when I used a Blackberry. I liked the security and the guaranteed delivery. Both of which don't exist with SMS. I would pay for a BBM app on my Windows Phone. I would pay even more money to be able to backup my Windows Phone like I use to back up my Blackberry.

BBM, security and backup... the best features of Blackberry!

If RIM was seriously considering jumping ship to another OS rather than bleeding cash to chase BB10 success, WP8 would be the smart move. BB is known for security, first and foremost, and Android just doesn't foot that bill. WP8 has SecureBoot and BitLocker, which also means it will have TPM, which will enable a trusted device. RIM could leaverage that, to create a series of security focused enterprise communication apps and services.

Additionally, with WP8 going full-force into the enterprise market, and BB10 expected to land sometime in the distant future, I don't see what choice but to take the plunge into WP8. Maybe they don't go exclusively WP8, and release BB7+ and WP8 devices in parallel, and then once BB10 is viable maybe they ship BB10 and WP8, or just BB10.

Whatever they do, they have to do something other than what they are currently doing. Waiting for their "perfect" platform to be ready is not a sustainable option at this point.

By iPablo on 7/2/2012 11:18:28 AM , Rating: 2
You got it!
Nokia hardware, Win o/s with RIM exchange server & secure messaging? YIKES! a couple of models, some with keyboards, some without. and for consumers $10/mo for BBM? Good bye INSANE texting charges ($20/mo for SMS whaaaaa?)

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Hieyeck on 6/29/2012 5:32:34 PM , Rating: 2
I saw BB10 demo'd at my company. We couldn't show RIM out the door fast enough. Here's the problem:

For every BES you have out there, you'll now need two additional servers to each handle the additional components of BB10, and a fourth server to tie it all together. We're supposed to be moving forward, not backwards.

If it weren't for my love of the keyboard when hammering out long emails for work, I'd have ditched this thing ages ago.

By McTardy on 6/29/2012 5:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
I've been extremely curious how RIM expects to get BB10 into the enterprise and working with the BES product. RIM's strength for years was their NOC, back when mobile data was slow and a middle man was needed to compress it (and encrypt it) so the data flowed efficiently. At one time, BlackBerry data plans (both BES and BIS) were more expensive than regular data plans for exactly this reason. Now I think most people would argue that the NOC is an unneeded relic of the past. We focus on the handsets themselves in a lot of our debates, but RIM's real cash cow has always been the enterprise space and BES, with the NOC as the focal point. Not to discount the handset conversation, but how RIM presents themselves to the enterprise is what will really make or break the BB10 platform. If what Hieyeck says is true (I have no reason to doubt him) and RIM's new enterprise solution is a convoluted clusterf*ck...well this may not end well at all...

Hieyeck any other details you can share about the demo would be appreciated. Thanks.

By Belard on 6/30/2012 3:59:42 AM , Rating: 2
Did you guys really laugh in their faces?

By fteoath64 on 6/30/2012 12:15:15 AM , Rating: 2
If the board decides to do that, it WILL run the company to the ground!. And they will suffer huge shareholder lawsuits for such arrogant behaviour.
"why would you hand your company to Ballmer in such circumstances?"

Becuase RIM and MS needs each other to fight the competition and have a solid chance of surviving in both handsets, PCs and even tablets. Its a big gamble but the best risk to take under the current circumstance.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By hiscross on 6/29/2012 2:48:33 PM , Rating: 1
The RIM / WIN Mobile OS is butt ugly.I guess once someone like Apple and Google entered the market those legacy companies went on the endangers list. Think Digit.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By kleinma on 6/29/2012 2:53:43 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, I much prefer the iOS icon grid paradigm that is as old as windows 3.11

By Solandri on 6/29/2012 3:51:55 PM , Rating: 4
It's older than that. It dates back to the Xerox Information System introduced in 1981.

Though I'd argue it dates back to the first OCD office worker who arranged stacks of papers on his desk in a grid.

By Florinator on 6/29/2012 4:23:38 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah, and Scarlet Johansson is ugly too... it's all a matter of personal taste now, isn't it?

P.S. By the way, just to set the record straight about Scarlet Johansson, she's smoking hot as far as I am concerned ;-)

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Belard on 6/29/2012 4:55:51 PM , Rating: 3
Android would be better for RIM.

RIM cannot customize WP7/8. Its the same no matter what device you buy.

With Android, RIM can make it LOOK and feel different, yet be 100% compatible with Android apps. They can get product to market before Christmas.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By daveinternets on 6/29/2012 5:16:07 PM , Rating: 2
That sounds good on paper, until you factor in the fact that the Android OS is shit and Google Play is a cesspool. Then, it doesn't look so good.

By Belard on 6/29/2012 6:40:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, its just business.

RIM can survive someway... or die for sure.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Cheesew1z69 on 7/1/2012 9:24:50 AM , Rating: 1
shit, yet millions of phones have been sold....


the cesspool is in your head...

By Pirks on 7/2/2012 2:49:32 PM , Rating: 1
yeah they also sold millions of blackberry phones, now you gonna start praising RIM eh? new clown dance is coming? ooohhh can't wait!

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By OoklaTheMok on 6/29/2012 7:04:08 PM , Rating: 2
With Android, RIM can make it LOOK and feel different, yet be 100% compatible with Android apps

100% compatible and Android do not go hand in hand, especially when you start adding in customizations.

RE: This will be a fantastic partnership.
By Belard on 6/30/2012 4:02:52 AM , Rating: 2
What do you mean? The Android launcher is just that. Any brand or carrier can change the way it looks. I'm running a WindowsPhone7 launcher on my Android that is MORE advance in some ways than the real WP7 (but not true live tiles).

Any Android phone apps works.

By Camikazi on 7/1/2012 8:14:50 PM , Rating: 2
Carriers and manufacturers do not just change the launcher they change the framework and a lot of the system to make their apps work. Because of that some apps will have problems working, yes launchers will allow compatibility but carrier mods won't always work with all apps. If all the carriers and makers did was add a few apps and make their launcher the default it wouldn't take so long to rollout new updates.

By fteoath64 on 6/30/2012 12:10:19 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. But MS needs to ensure the quality of Win8 OS quickly to grab the opportunity. ICS 4.1 is going to get some attention in the coming months, so it might be a great time for the above partnership to ship a beta quickly so the market can judge.
QNX and BB10 are real bad moves by RIM who has limited software resources and talent that is dwindling by the day. The latest press on Q1-13 for BB10 release is just devastating to them and they ought to know better considering what the market has to offer today and in one quarter's time. In this business, anything 2 quarters away is impossible to forecast as the dynamics of the market changes so drastically sometime and very subtle in other times.

Note: MS could inject a billion or so into RIM's balance sheet to prop it up for a while.

By Argon18 on 6/29/2012 12:21:23 PM , Rating: 2
First Nokia, now RIM. Funny how the only way Microsoft can convince the OEM's to use Windows Phone, is to go after the weak and dying companies. Lol. Microsoft fails hard on mobile devices.

By retrospooty on 6/29/2012 12:23:59 PM , Rating: 1
LOL, they do seem to... But the difference today is that Windows mobile is actually a really good OS. I wound up getting a Samsung Galaxy S3 on pre-order, but was very tempted to go with Windows. I played with one I set up for an employee and was kind of loving the new UI.

By StevoLincolnite on 6/29/2012 12:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well I did say RIM should partner with Android or Windows in the last RIM article. :P

By kleinma on 6/29/2012 2:49:23 PM , Rating: 5
You mean like Samsung who is making Windows 8 phones? They are pretty weak and dying huh? Do you remember a weak and dying company called APPLE that Microsoft helped out a bunch of years ago? What ever happened to them?

I am sure you own an iPhone or android and feel the need to justify your purchase by hating the competition, but that really doesn't make you any less of an idiot spewing drivel.

Rock, meet hard place
By Motoman on 6/29/2012 12:42:43 PM , Rating: 4
Board members are reportedly resistant to the tie-up, though, given that it would mark the end of their company's independence.

You know what else will end the company's independence? Going bankrupt.

RIM has got 9 toes in the grave right now...I'm not necessarily advocating for going MS, as I think the BB OS has probably got a lot going for it anyway...and who knows what that would do to their enterprise deployment stuff.

...but ultimately they're going to have to make some terribly tough choices...and none of them are going to be fun. RIM is not going to survive this looking like they used way.

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Pirks on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By McTardy on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By milli on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By TakinYourPoints on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By McTardy on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By TakinYourPoints on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Pirks on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Spuke on 6/29/2012 6:19:59 PM , Rating: 2
Oh no, Mick makes that idiot Charlie D look like Anand.
Sorry Mick but this is damn funny!

I've corrected him multiple times on his slander and he just doesn't get it.
6 posts total and you've been correcting him multiple times? Sounds like someone's got multiplet accounts. Pirks much?

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By TakinYourPoints on 7/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Pirks on 7/2/2012 2:52:55 PM , Rating: 1
Anandtech having DT on the sidebar is like The Economist running columns by The National Enquirer
Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.
They need to go one step past burying it and just dump this trash already.
Ya I'll keep bugging Anand folks about dumping DT, this trash has no place on AT.

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By retrospooty on 6/29/2012 3:12:03 PM , Rating: 1
I agree Pirks, I highly doubt RIM would ever use Winmobile... Not with QNX so close... The issue is that RIM wont exist as an independent entity. It is true they have enough money to survive quite a while if they had too, but they will sell RIM off before it loses too much more value. Count on it.

Now, what if MS buy it? That is interesting. Or possibly Samsung or some other deep pocketed competitor.

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By brybir on 6/29/2012 3:19:08 PM , Rating: 3
My only disagreement with your statement is this line:

"Mick would do it, retro would do it, but not the much smarter businessmen on the board"

I fully disagree that the businessmen on the board of RIM have any any grounds to assert that they are "smarter" than say the people running companies that are successful and well run. I would be VERY cautious going around telling anyone that I hold the board members of RIM in high regard for their business acumen.

Actually, now that I read your post again, I disagree with other aspects as well:

1) They would ditch all of their engineering in a heartbeat if something with better return on it came along. Their past research is a sunk cost at this point, so worrying about past investment in the face of other options that may be better is not good business judgment

2) Any company that bases its business model on “we have 2.2 billion in cash and can definitely last another year at the rate we are hemorrhaging” is going to quickly go bankrupt as the stock price dives (and with it all those employee options and other perks that likely keep much of the top talent around) and they become unable to borrow from anyone but bankruptcy financing companies.

3) One year is probably not enough to turn around the ship. They are half a year away from a fully deployed handset ecosystem, which is another six months of cash burn. It will be another few months before they start being able to book significant revenue (if they get any) and a few months after that before they know whether the whole thing was worth it. At that point, they have just about hit one year, are mostly out of cash, the stock will be worthless, and they are going to get bought up by whoever has a few spare bills hanging out of their pocket. That is a shitty future for any company and not one that that any sane board member would strive toward.

4) The above highlights some reasoning why ANY smart businessman would be just as inclined to think that selling out now is way better than rolling the dice and ending up with nothing.

5) Your “health dose of reality” could almost be a good argument if not for all the juvenile comments mixed in, the false statements that everything is obvious to any “smart” person, and your paranoia that someone would pay him to post anti-RIM messages here. Who would pay him to hate on RIM, the stock market, the bond market, their own board of directors, and almost every business publication is doing a plenty good job of that without being paid, and I don’t think any of RIM’s competitors are shaking in their collective boots about a resurgence of RIM anytime soon.

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Pirks on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Ramstark on 6/29/2012 3:20:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah right Pirks, just as insane as that rumor of Nokia being bought by MS, or Motorola with Google...
Rumors in tech industry tend to be 80% to 90% right, why? because they serve a purpose, to "feel" the market changes and acceptance...
Anyway I think everyone would benefit from a BB/MS joint venture, except of course, your folks over there in Apple...

RE: Rock, meet hard place
By Chadder007 on 6/29/2012 4:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think waiting now till 2013 will do them in. They should have thrown all they have into getting it out this fall or just simply fail and sale the company off.

By Guspaz on 6/29/2012 6:41:37 PM , Rating: 4
So, let me get this straight, after Nokia abandons their own OS in favour of Windows Phone only to see their marketshare and sales collapse, RIM would think it's a good idea to try the same thing? What would make RIM expect a different result?

By Zugzwang152 on 6/29/2012 10:28:12 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia's sales and marketshare were in the process of collapsing anyway. Same as RIM is now.

To Pirks:
By Belard on 7/1/2012 6:56:22 AM , Rating: 1
I played with the latest BB device at my at&t store because I said I would to be fair. The construction and design of their phones is EXCELLENT. Using their current OS on their hardware was... a bit crumble-some. Its not horrible, but its out-dated and the touchscreen seems to be unresponsive as well as when do you use the touch finger-pad vs the touch screen.

I also played with the iPhone4, latest Android and Windows7Phones. Nothing felt as good as the BB... other than the iPhone (almost).

I'm not interested in the glossy backs of the Samsung galaxyIII... so its off my list. The iPhone4 is an excellent fit... the glass rear irks me. Also I think people are more out to STEAL an iPhone rather than anything else. Looks like I'll be going with an HTC One X... not perfect, but pretty good.

RIM can *and should* decide in a few days to go Android. Don't even tell us about it for a month. While going full steam in getting Android working with their handsets the way they want.

If they hurry (not badly) they can get something to market before Christmas... maybe. Android on BB would/could bring back ex-BB owners. Who loved the physical part of the phones but got sick of its out-dated OS.

RE: To Pirks:
By Pirks on 7/2/2012 3:10:53 PM , Rating: 1
I played with the latest BB device at my at&t store because I said I would to be fair. The construction and design of their phones is EXCELLENT
This was exactly my feeling when I tried new just released BB7 phones a year ago in a local carrier store. I couldn't make up my mind between new Bold and new full screen/touch Torch 'cause Bold was like "typing on clouds" as they say, best phone keyboard ever. But I went with Torch in the end because I wanted multiple languages on my keyboard and virtual kb on a touch screen is perfectly suited for that.

As for the old feel of the OS it may be true now but was not as much pronounced a yea ago, it actually felt very slick and modern to me back then, on par with iPhone from a year ago. I even liked the screen a bit better 'cause it was larger than iPhone's tiny one, and the optical trackpad won me the second I opened a complex website and started to navigate and type messages on forums, nothing gets close to BB optical trackpad when navigating stuff like that and typing lots of text and editing it constantly.

A month ago I got myself WP7.5 handset, HTC Titan, because a) its screen is bigger and watching videos and TV shows on it is much better experience than on my Torch b) my company stopped requiring that we used only BBs, they did something with exchange and we could bring in our own iphones and what not, so I went with Titan, c) I liked WP7.5 interface more than BB interface, and WP7.5 became bearable after the useless WP7.0 which I didn't even touch

I considered crapdroid for some time but the moment I heard that Galaxy Note (my favorite crapdroid phone) is going to get WP8 treatment this year I decided to hold and don't go there. I've got pretty bad experience trying to find my a nice slick 7" tablet, all the crapdroids looked real real horrible to me and only Playbook delivered on all fronts, build quality wise and software speed wise it's on par with Apple if not better.

So I'm sticking with WP8 for now, seems like Galaxy Note with WP8 is my next handset for sure, but I'm watching BB10 closely, it's my second preferred phone after WP8, that is if BB10 won't anncounce something I really really want but WP8 doesn't have.

I'm note sure BB10 will make it out the gate though, because the recent addition of TPM chip to all WP8 phones and moving it to the NT code base made WP8 much better enterprise solution than BB so... we'll see how it ends up

RE: To Pirks:
By Belard on 7/3/2012 2:11:23 PM , Rating: 2
- Just get any ole 7" tablet... Lenovo Ideapad line has a few to choose from.

- Sorry, but your W8Tablet plans are flawed.

1) Samsung will not be making any 7" Windows8 tablets. WART partners are gone. They will not and cannot compete against Microsoft. (WART = Windows Android RT)

2) The way development works... RIM will die before BB10 goes public.

3) Seriously, most people just don't care about BB OS devices anymore.

4) The Playbook failed. It was an incomplete product... it was aimed at current BB phone owners, who *DID NOT* buy the Playbook in droves. If you want a 7" tablet... maybe a Kindle Fire will do?

Momentum is everything... The Playbook, BB10 and their phones are all fighting a up hill battle and WART8 is ahead, but not by much but they have deeper pockets.

RE: To Pirks:
By Pirks on 7/3/2012 3:03:54 PM , Rating: 2
Nah I don't want crapdroid tablets, not good enough after trying out Playbook.

I don't care about Samesung tablets, if I get W8 tablet that's going to be Surface or nothing.

They should do both
By bobdelt on 6/29/2012 1:10:35 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody said you cant support two different OSes. They should have adopted android or windows while they wait for their own o/s to get its ass together.

RE: They should do both
By Belard on 6/30/2012 8:24:41 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung can support Android and Windows because they are a HUGE company and world knows they are not going anywhere. They make everything... really, pretty much everything.

RIM is a singular company. They are a phone handset company, nothing more. Going with Android or Windows and BB10 would confuse their customers... who are already on the fence on which way to go.

Both of those OSes are on the market today, both are stable and used by millions of users. BB10 seen by a handful of people... they are screwing way to much.

By Milliamp on 7/2/2012 12:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
They just designed a touch screen phone for BB10 and now BB10 has been delayed 6 more months. Do they shelve the design and build a different phone based on the new release date? Do they launch BB10 on hardware that unnecessarily 6 months farther behind than it would have been already?

I guess if they get a touch screen phone out the door running windows 8 they are recouping some of the design cost. Even if they do they can continue to develop BB10 along side having a windows 8 phone release.

Sure embracing windows might be a long shot but it isn't like they are holding many cards at this point anyway.

By Belard on 7/3/2012 1:34:13 PM , Rating: 2
that really sounds like a lame excuse. A touch screen is a touch screen. Its either cheap junk tech or standard stuff you find on most phones today.

RIM is pulling your leg. Seriously, if they finished designing some magical touch-screen, then it'll be in production now and handsets would be out in the next 2-3 months.

Here is what we KNOW: No actual BB10 product has been shown.
A full blown BB10 device has not been shown. 6 months from now is a long time... without a public prototype. Look at MS, they just showed off their own tablet which won't hit the market for another 5 months. The product is pretty much finished and they have a LOT more resources than RIM.

Thus, if BB10 actually sees the light of day... it'll be 9~12 months from now. By then, their market share will be less than 1% and no carrier will want to bother with it. They don't already.

Win8 doesn't allow RIM any room to make their device their own. Android is the only choice that can save RIM quickly. I don't think RIM is smart enough to do that.

By melgross on 6/29/2012 12:32:48 PM , Rating: 2
This is just another rumor. It would take RIM at least a year to do this if they started today, and likely longer. So they would then be behind where they would be anyway, using an OS that, so far, is doing worse than they are. They would then join the league of unsuccessful Win Phone manufacturers. How would that help them?

The only very slight chance that this could be more likely than selling themselves off, would be if BB10 is so hopeless, that they believe they will never get it working, a possiblity, to be sure.

RE: Rumors
By McTardy on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Rumors
By Trisped on 6/29/2012 1:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
If by "this" you mean switch to WP7 or WP8, yes it would probably take at least a year (unless they can get access to a working platform and then customize).

Personal I think RIM should have faced the music months ago. Their brand image is fading, meaning if they do try to open up their business services they will have a hard time doing so. If they wait too much longer then they will only have their patents to sell.

I hope they do not sell to a patent troll.

By Lord 666 on 6/29/2012 9:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
To me, Cisco buying RIM is the most logical. Not Microsoft.

RE: Cisco
By Belard on 6/30/2012 4:11:37 AM , Rating: 1
Or maybe... facebook.

How are RIM's shares declining?
By bug77 on 6/29/2012 1:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
For the cost of shares to change, it means someone must be selling and more importantly buying them. As in buying RIM shares. Wtf?

RE: How are RIM's shares declining?
By McTardy on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
Seriously Mick?
By iamkyle on 6/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously Mick?
By McTardy on 6/29/12, Rating: 0
RE: Seriously Mick?
By Belard on 6/29/2012 4:51:36 PM , Rating: 3
- There are so few BB10 developers and apps.
- There is no confidence in RIM with any of their OSes.
- ALL cellphones use pretty much the same hardware. hence, it was a walk in the park to put Android on HP's WebOS tablet.
- WinPhoneOS costs money per phone, Android is pretty much free.
- WinPhoneOS will ALWAYS look like WinPhoneOS. With Android, RIM can make Android look and FEEL different while being 100% compatible with Android apps.

Android would be the better way to go.

PS: I posted this about 2-3 hours ago that RIM should dump BB10 and go Android (maybe WP8) which could allow them to get to market just before Christmas.

BB10 is 3 years late, a complete waste of their time and money. They could get Android up and running in a day... most likely, in their labs - their tech are already running Android.

RE: Seriously Mick?
By OoklaTheMok on 6/29/2012 7:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
WinPhoneOS costs money per phone, Android is pretty much free

Free is a relative term. WP is tested and delivered to OEMs to work consistently and predictably across the variations of shipping hardware. Android is a set of software that the OEM needs to modify, compile, and test even before getting into creating any unique customizations. Developing an Android device has more initial engineering overhead than a comparable WP device.

So while it is "free" up front, it's not really without comparable expenses.

RE: Seriously Mick?
By Belard on 6/30/2012 4:10:25 AM , Rating: 2
And so that allowed Nokia to release a WP7 device in a few weeks, right?

Wrong.. it took almost a year before their first WP7 device hit the market. other smaller MS partners were quick to release phones.

There is the ALWAYS upfront costs.

RE: Seriously Mick?
By OoklaTheMok on 6/30/2012 2:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure what you are trying to say, but yes, other partners were able to quickly release WP devices. Nokia spent alot of time designing their hardware. The fact that other partners were able to release devices so quickly, just shows how fast a WP device can be turned around. But this doesn't factor in how bad some of the firmware was for these devices (looking at HTC and samsung).

They all have overhead, which you agree to, it is just that Android has more than WP.

How fast were ICS devices released by all the major OEMs after Google said it was done? There are devices still waiting to get upgraded to ICS? Why? Because the OEMs have to take the time to compile, and validate and modify Android to work on their devices. When WP 7.5 came out, all devices got updated within a reasonably short period of time. The reason is because of the lack of overhead.

RE: Seriously Mick?
By Belard on 7/1/2012 6:00:45 AM , Rating: 1
Its more of the carriers.... especially in the USA.

When it comes to international... they usually get the latest many many months for the USA. It has been that way for years.

I've bought a SONY international unlocked phone, it was about 8+ months before at&t started selling it in the USA.

Android/google are getting better with the updates. And I also feel I should have to ROOT my damn phone to get the updates.

I'm looking at the HTC-ONE X as my Galaxy S1 replacement, it has ICS, its looks and feels pretty damn good. I wish ALL Android phones had a SHUTTER button like MP7 phones.

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