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Artist renderingg of Ares I  (Source: NASA)
If Ares I development isn't as far as long as Obama likes, it could be possible NASA will use military funds for future technology development

President-elect Barack Obama, once he takes office later this month, could remove the barriers between the US Department of Defense (DoD) and NASA, in an effort to help the U.S. space agency better compete with Russia and China.

The most important task for NASA is to build a new rocket capable of carrying Orion to the International Space Station (ISS), with a future mission to the moon likely.  The U.S. space agency originally planned to have the Ares I rocket take Orion into space, but President-elect Obama wants to try and get Orion into the air as soon as possible.

"The Obama administration will have all those issues on the table," former President Bill Clinton's space adviser Neal Lane told Bloomberg.  "The foreign affairs and national security implications have to be considered."

The current generation of space shuttles will be retired next year, and there will be a five-year gap between the shuttle retirement and the scheduled release of Orion.  Ares I completed its first preliminary design review last year, with Boeing and Alliant Techsystems prepared for a first launch in 2015.  

The Pentagon's space program spent about $22 billion in 2008, which is one third more than the NASA budget during the year.  Obama's transition team already has asked NASA officials how plausible it would be to cancel the development of the Ares I rocket in favor, though current NASA Administrator Michael Griffin said it would be a mistake.

The NASA review team will continue to ask NASA space officials about different methods related to costs and savings, although nothing is official.  

Obama would like to have Orion ready to launch before 2015, but the launch will not be possible without a proper rocket system.  If a cash injection from the Pentagon is unable to help have Ares I completed sooner, then it's possible the government may use either the Atlas or Delta rocket, as both are in later stages of development compared to Ares.



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Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By SlyNine on 1/6/2009 6:58:17 AM , Rating: 5
We should definitely be spending military budget on space based systems. Combining USAF and NASA resources seemed like a no brainier.




RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 8:08:26 AM , Rating: 1
Agreed. Control of space should be taken just as seriously as control of the skies.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/6/2009 8:16:05 AM , Rating: 4
Ditto. I wouldn't mind the USAF also becoming the US Aerospace Force.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Regs on 1/6/2009 8:57:42 AM , Rating: 1
Bring on UAC.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/09, Rating: 0
By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 10:09:39 AM , Rating: 4
Your age is finally showing in this last post. :P

Normally it doesn't but you fell right in this time.

UAC is originally from Doom 1 and 2, later revived in Doom 3.

http://www.ua-corp.com/


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By codeThug on 1/6/2009 10:58:08 AM , Rating: 5
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RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By DASQ on 1/6/2009 11:43:27 AM , Rating: 2
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By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 11:51:49 AM , Rating: 2
zDoom + zDaemon ;)

Online Doom still thrives to this day. The more people the better!


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/09, Rating: 0
By SlyNine on 1/6/2009 5:30:10 PM , Rating: 3
Knowing is half the battle.


By Samus on 1/7/2009 3:03:57 AM , Rating: 1
Doom was 99 cents on Steam over XMAS. You missed :)


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 10:42:30 AM , Rating: 1
just don't start making reference to that lame movie series starship troopers.


By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 1:01:24 PM , Rating: 2
The doom guy doesn't shoot bugs with pop guns, he blows them to pieces with a BFG!

Stinking troopers, the Doom guy doesn't need an army, he IS the army!

/shameless Doom comic quote (yes, there was a comic)

A CHAINSAW

THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR!!!

:)


By Choppedliver on 1/6/2009 9:34:12 AM , Rating: 5
It's been going that way for a long time...

I worked on Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles for the Air Force from 1991-1995. These missiles launch from a hole in the ground and leave the atmosphere, then reenter the atmosphere over the target. These are definitely space vehicles. When I started, I was in SAC (Strategic Air Command )and when I left, I was in Space Command.

That was in 1995. The Air Force tracks what goes on in atmosphere, monitors and controls satellites, etc. Id say that the Air Force does as much in space now, as it does within our own atmosphere.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Fritzr on 1/6/2009 11:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
They reorganized again in 2002 it appears
http://www.stratcom.mil/


By Choppedliver on 1/6/2009 2:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
In between sac and spacecom, I was something else. I think it was Air Combat Command. I cant remember. Yeah, the military is constantly changing shit around to "adopt to the needs of current world situations" or something like that.

Personally i think its an excuse to spend money and keep someone in a job. :) The military use to advocate to us to report FWA, or "Fraud, Waste, and Abuse". I used to say they should turn themselves in :)


By Choppedliver on 1/6/2009 8:45:06 PM , Rating: 2
woo hoo I got my first 5 and I didnt even say anything special lol


By novacthall on 1/6/2009 10:35:23 AM , Rating: 2
Then we're just a stone's throw away from Veritech fighters!


By DASQ on 1/6/2009 11:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
Only if you remember love.


By cheetah2k on 1/6/2009 4:06:49 PM , Rating: 2
With current technology... er...

combine AISMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASIMO) and all of those retired F14 Tomcats and... well... ok lets just face it, we got a long way to go till we get to Robotech tech ^.^


By imperator3733 on 1/6/2009 3:07:02 PM , Rating: 2
If they were to do that they would have my full support. Maybe they could get the NASA people to actually finish the projects they start.


By mindless1 on 1/9/2009 11:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
Cutting edge do-it-from-scratch projects for space travel are so easy? Sometimes it takes a lot of time and work before you realize something just won't *fly*.


By marvdmartian on 1/6/2009 10:38:10 AM , Rating: 5
Hey, want a clue as to why the air force fought so hard to get control of DoD space missions? It wasn't because they figured that control of space was one step past control of the air. It wasn't because they were worried about losing prestige with the lowered strategic heavy bombing mission after the end of the cold war.

My theory is, it was because the air force senior officers grew up watching shows like Star Trek, which (like most other sci-fi space shows) heavily leaned toward nautical terms and expressions, and more importantly, ranks. Yeah, the air force was afraid that if they didn't take control of space, we'd end on spacecraft with a "bridge", instead of a "control room", and be taking orders from an admiral, instead of a general!

Tell me it doesn't make sense..... ;)


By TheSpaniard on 1/6/2009 8:15:40 AM , Rating: 3
I think there is a legitimate concern that if NASA and Defense were to unite, that might mean that NASA's already small budget might get diverted to some other project


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/6/2009 8:16:53 AM , Rating: 4
Or rather that NASA's small budge would grow by leaps and bounds, just towards practical military applications and not just pet projects. I see no problem with this.


By TheSpaniard on 1/6/2009 8:35:14 AM , Rating: 2
or it could become like our cyber division of the USAF...

which apparently is also underfunded

http://www.dailytech.com/War+Games+Show+US+to+Be+S...


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By mdogs444 on 1/6/2009 9:25:02 AM , Rating: 5
No. I think he wants a satellite that can emit rays of happiness while we all hold hands and sing songs about world peace.


By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 10:10:40 AM , Rating: 3
While spreading our wealth... ;)


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By DASQ on 1/6/2009 11:45:09 AM , Rating: 2
And giving up your AR's :/


By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 11:52:36 AM , Rating: 2
Not mine!

/me clutches on to his cold, dark friend


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By DASQ on 1/6/2009 12:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
Your buying sprees are making it ridiculously difficult to get parts up here in Canada :/

Share, damn you! And send us some 20" match barrels while you're at it!


By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 12:46:06 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, it is hard to get parts in the States even. :( Ammo is drying up and you've got to hunt quite a bit harder now than a year ago for anything.

I'm still trying to track down a 20 inch or a 24 inch barrel for my AUG clone.

Oh well - we'll be ready for the Zombie invasion, oh yes we will.


By Spyvie on 1/6/2009 7:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
Or either of mine


By MamiyaOtaru on 1/7/2009 6:22:10 AM , Rating: 2
You go to heck :)


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Dreifort on 1/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 10:37:26 AM , Rating: 2
It's ok. Some ppl can't see the real genius in the sarcasim.

I find it funny that everything Obama promised in his campaign is NOT going to happen. I mean, we've had numerious presidents not fulfill some of their campgain obligations before... but's he's going 10 for 10.

You know, Obama could use NASA's satellite imagery to photograph himself topless on his next beach vacation. The photographer he hired recently didn't seem to get close enough shots of his pecks. (And if you don't understand that he hired the photographer then you have no idea about national security.)


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By codeThug on 1/6/2009 11:05:38 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I find it funny that everything Obama promised in his campaign is NOT going to happen.

No joke. I can't wait till all the lib types choke on their spaghettios and koolaid. When will sheeople wake up to the fact that the POTUS is just a figurehead position?

The military industrial complex is going to militarize space no matter who is in office.


By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 11:21:18 AM , Rating: 2
the Pres is a figure head and has only small input into our country's polictical decisions....until 2008.

because of straight ticket voting, the president actually has more power than ever (even if this power is now over with and done). Al Franken? seriously? my dog would be a better senator.

This control of straight ticket voting was quickly exposed when Georgia had a runnoff of their senate seat. After voters turned out to vote for Obama, the two senatorial canidates finished in a near tie. So they had a revote. This time, Obama wasn't on the ballot and not funding the campagin of his fellow senator... the gop canidate won by huge margins.

In the intial election, the democratic canidate Jim Martin was having himself photographed with popular urban rappers and having Obama & his campaign advisors assist in his campaign.

In the runoff election, Mr. Martin was told an Obama campaign assistant would be sent to advise.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 12:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
Where is this complex? I'd like to go there. They probably have a lot of neat toys.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 1:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
it's probably on some small island of the coast of california.... that would explain all the earthquakes out there.

not sure if they have neat toys, but i hear they have a great theme park for hippies. one ride is called the prehistoric prius. basically you ride on the back of a sabertooth tiger. drawback is you have to feed the tiger a passenger every 2 hrs to keep it running.


By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 2:28:56 PM , Rating: 2
I fully support the operation of that ride.


By Spuke on 1/6/2009 4:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's probably on some small island of the coast of california.... that would explain all the earthquakes out there.
Doubt it. That would block the Malibu residents views.


By codeThug on 1/7/2009 1:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
If I told you, I'd have to kill you.

You don't have a high enough security clearance.

Plus you've never played DOOM.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By sgw2n5 on 1/6/2009 11:49:22 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously, Obama's master plan is to build a star ship which derives its power from neocon tears and their seemingly endless supply of hot air.

They are going to strap Bill O'reilly to the bottom of a booster rocket.


By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 12:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, there is a simpler way to power the starship...

Fill a room with people on treadmills and then have a genetically engineered Stuart Smalley/Al Franken clone walk into the room behind them.

The power yields will be incredible.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 12:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
Hang a twinkie off Rosie O'Donnell's head just out of reach and put her on a treadmill.


By Tsuwamono on 1/6/2009 11:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately we do not have treadmills that can support her weight... Best we could do is put her on a Dyno.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 12:12:17 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah cause people like Al Gore just spew the truth all the time.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By sgw2n5 on 1/6/2009 12:23:44 PM , Rating: 4
Never said he did.

Interestingly enough, both sides have their respective morons. Fascinating, I know.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 2:12:34 PM , Rating: 3
hey I have respect for Al Gore. While I think he is way off with his global warming will kill us all theroies... I respect his deication and unwavering faith to his own belief.

same can be said for George Bush. even if you don't agree with him, he has always stuck to his guns. You know what he is going to do. Just as you know what Al Gore will do.

Gore or Bush never did anything for power or greed. They actually believe in what they are doing.

unlike our next president who is for whatever is popular at the current moment and won't comment on what he believes.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 2:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah Gore wasn't fueled at all by the desire to sell carbon credits or the vast increase in value of the companies he's created as a result of the "green" initiatives that have sprung up.


By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 2:54:27 PM , Rating: 2
hey - that's capitalism ;)

but unlike most "fakes"... he hasn't given up on his quest to make the earth greener. have to admit that's some dedication.


By Spuke on 1/6/2009 4:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Interestingly enough, both sides have their respective morons. Fascinating, I know.
F$%k taking a side. Do what works.


By Spuke on 1/6/2009 4:14:22 PM , Rating: 2
That was awesome!!!!!! 6 indeed!!!


By SlyNine on 1/6/2009 8:52:10 AM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter what you do, if you do it wrong its going to suck.

The USAF probably has the most resources as far as space minded research and technology, The goals between NASA and the USAF are often the same concerning space. We need R&D, access to ISS and hopefully a moon base, but yet we keep the 2 predominate space programs separate when they could be collaborating and sharing resources.

If we get those 3, there will be enough on everyones plate to keep everyone happy.


By Fritzr on 1/6/2009 11:48:58 AM , Rating: 2
The "Space Force" already exists though currently still a specialty branch of the Air Force similar to the Army Air Force prior to it's being spun off as a separate service

http://www.afspc.af.mil/

Interesting note there that the military space program already receives %25 more than NASA does. Have to wonder how much of that is going into Skunk Works projects instead of "normal" black programs.

Even a combined operation will simply mean NASA and USAF sharing boosters and other publically acknowledged equipment. Private sector is years behind what is available to classified missions and hopefully the researchers coming up with new ideas will keep it that way, as current public state of the art catchs up with military capabilities.


RE: Space warfare is the air warfare of tomorrow
By paracutin on 1/6/2009 1:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. However, I don't think it will speed things up to much. Neither the Atlas or the Delta rockets are human rated.
They would be fine for sending cargo to the ISS but they aren't ready for the big time of human transport.


By SlyNine on 1/7/2009 5:21:06 AM , Rating: 2
It's funny 47 years ago we were able to send people to the moon, but now getting of this big dirt ball is so dam hard. I know standards are higher but yet, in these 47 years the technology growth has been, well there has never been anything like it on this rock. You'd think with today's resources we could figure it out.


By raghavny80 on 1/6/2009 8:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I need planet-busting nukes in space orbiting the earth so that Klaatu will come to our planet and save mankind from stupid people.


Hopefully they won't join them...
By ralith on 1/6/2009 8:04:55 AM , Rating: 1
There are good reasons to keep NASA and the Defense dept separate hopefully the new administration will look at the history behind it all and not make the mistake of rejoining them.

However, that doesn't mean they shouldn't cooperate. The defense dept and NASA very likely have many overlapping projects/missions/requirements that could be combined to free up some more money for NASA to spend on other science. Good examples are materials research, satellite tech, optics, the list goes on.




RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/6/2009 8:47:45 AM , Rating: 2
> "There are good reasons to keep NASA and the Defense dept separate"

Such as? Other than some inchoate objections over the militarization of space, none leap to mind.

However, in my opinion a much better approach would be to privatize NASA's launch operations. Put out them to private enterprise for bid, and we'd soon see a level of innovation far above what NASA's given us the past 20 years. The heady days of the 60s and 70s are long gone, I fear...the agency has grown bureaucratic and moribund.


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By sabrewulf on 1/6/2009 8:59:37 AM , Rating: 1
Sesquipedalian much?


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By masher2 (blog) on 1/6/2009 10:04:01 AM , Rating: 2
Never while driving.


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By foolsgambit11 on 1/6/2009 5:13:21 PM , Rating: 2
This is great. Are you the reincarnation of William F. Buckley? I guess it depends - would you prefer I use a diaeresis on the initial 'i' in reincarnation?


By MamiyaOtaru on 1/7/2009 6:26:32 AM , Rating: 2
FFS we aren't high school anymore (at least I'm not). It's not uncool to have a vocabulary.


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By Regs on 1/6/2009 9:04:54 AM , Rating: 2
Well just keep this in mind. Picture 100 MIT scientists or some of the brightest minds in the world coming together to find a final resolution like there is now. Now lets place military, national security, and military intelligence protocols around them with men in uniform making the final decision or advising the president in their place.


By theapparition on 1/6/2009 9:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
While I admire your optimism, unfortunately NASA is not the "100 MIT scientists" anymore. Hasn't been in a long while. This is no secret in the industry, it is run and controlled by pencil pushers of the manageroial and accountant variety.

Even at full NASA facilities, the resident contractors outnumber NASA employees by 10:1.


By theapparition on 1/6/2009 9:18:58 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
The heady days of the 60s and 70s are long gone, I fear...the agency has grown bureaucratic and moribund.

Absolutely correct.
Many moons ago, I worked for a stint at NASA. It was the most boring job I've ever had. Nothing gets done, there is no developement. Only a bureaucracy that pushes paper. The only innovation comes from thier sub-contractors. It was the Lockheeds and Boeings of the world that made things really happen. Unfortunately, those tier 1 contractors have become bureaucratic in thier own right and its now the tier 2 contractors where most innovation is coming from.


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By MrBlastman on 1/6/2009 10:21:24 AM , Rating: 4
Those hippies that believe that Space should not be a militarized frontier have a tremendous amount of naivety about them.

Humans are genetically inclined to kill each other. They are also genetically inclined to want to conquer and dominate one another. This has not changed for thousands of years. This will never change unless we genetically modify our species (and even then I don't think you can stomp it out without reducing intelligence).

Why fight something that will not change? Remove the weapons and ability to defend ourselves in space - and we just allow someone else to go out there and walk all over us.

Silly hippies.

Combining NASA with the Military (or allowing them to comingle with limited resources) gives us the step up in developing tech which will allow us to be strong in the next frontier. Do you think the Spaniards and the British had cannons on their sailing vessels for no reason and just decoration? The rules of the sea also apply to space. Who's going to come save you when the only thing between you and earth is a dark, cold, distant vacuum. Your strikingly good looks? Your flatulence-drive system?

;)

The only comment I have on the article is this: If Obama wishes to join NASA with the Military, he sure as heck better not use it as an excuse to cut both of their funding in one swoop. We need both more than ever before right now. Cutting some bureaucratic fat in NASA might not be such a bad thing though.


RE: Hopefully they won't join them...
By foolsgambit11 on 1/6/2009 5:16:58 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, there are lots of things that humans are genetically inclined to do. And we try to avoid doing lots of them. Promiscuity comes to mind first.

Besides, are you suggesting we should just drop the laws against murder? I mean, we're genetically inclined to kill each other. "Why fight something that will not change?"


By elessar1 on 1/6/2009 9:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh, there are lots of things that humans are genetically inclined to do. And we try to avoid doing lots of them. Promiscuity comes to mind first.


Speek for yourself!!!

:@

And here we have a law: More than 400Kms (200 Miles)makes you single again ;)

So outher Space will make us all singles...

Cheers


By kattanna on 1/6/2009 11:22:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, in my opinion a much better approach would be to privatize NASA's launch operations


which is what i feel they are actually trying to do with initiatives like this

http://www.space.com/news/081223-nasa-spacestation...

im also all for them dropping the ares 1 and simply man rating existing proven hardware.


By ralith on 1/6/2009 2:04:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Such as? Other than some inchoate objections over the militarization of space, none leap to mind.

Boy you didn't try to hard then did ya. You must just be looking for a debate, but what the hay I'll take the bait a little.

I'd think they'd be obvious to you, but here are my issues with joining them:
1. Military bureaucracies are even slower and sillier than NASA's. (NASA is trying to catch up to them.)
2. I'd rather not have a science organization being limited by the lack of imagination that I've seen in the military. (NASA's management has hindered them time and again in this regard too.)
3. There are many "pure science" missions that the military would never approve i.e. Voyager 1, 2, Galileo, etc.
4. NASA is way more frugal with their money since they don't get much they have to be better at getting more bang for the buck.

As for the last paragraph I've actually been somewhat happy with the Ares program considering the level of bureaucracy NASA has now they seem to be moving that along ok. You have to remember not all of that bureaucracy was their choice Congress imposed some then high levels of the executive branch imposed more. Personally, I think the Congress and upper executive branch needs to understand that losses will occur when your on the bleeding edge and just grow an damn pair.

As for why they didn't mod the Atlas or Delta for manned flight heck you could probably give a better answer on that then me. Same for why Direct 2.0 or whatever they call it isn't being taken to seriously within NASA. Been outta those type of circles for long enough I've not even got a clue.


By mac2j on 1/6/2009 8:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Such as? Other than some inchoate objections over the militarization of space, none leap to mind.


The main reason theyve remained separate is that NASA - from a security standpoint - is leaky as a sieve.

Did you ever see the Soviet space shuttle they built off NASA's plans?

In a way its not a bad thing - technologies disperse into the public much more quickly from NASA than from USAF-SC because they arent as highly classified and restricted.

But merging them is better than cancelling manned space flight IMO.

Gotta feel bad for the scientists ... NASA and NIH etc have a hard time of it budget wise lately but you could fund both for years with what 1 month of the Iraq war cost.


Not quite right
By Shadowself on 1/6/2009 9:16:15 AM , Rating: 2
The idea currently on the table is to use either the Delta IV or the Atlas V to boost Orion. Both the Delta and the Atlas could be modified to support boosting Orion in shorter time and for less money than the completion of Aries. Both the Delta IV and Atlas V were developed almost exclusively with military funds. The funds to upgrade them to man rated status would almost exclusively come from NASA. Thus we would have one or more launch vehicle that was jointly funded by the military and NASA.

There is no one seriously considering merging NASA and Space Command.




RE: Not quite right
By TMV192 on 1/6/2009 9:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
true, there's too much glamor with these Ares rockets, what NASA needs to do is find effiecient ways to get these tasks done, what I'd like to see is one of the military rockets being used and the approval of the DIRECT 2.0 Jupiter Rockets


RE: Not quite right
By FPP on 1/6/2009 10:37:16 AM , Rating: 3
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. America is two generations ahead in manned space.

Space race?????
With who?????
What is the frickin hurry?????
Where is there such a rush to go???
Spacewar????
Where do the nutballs come up with this???

What this is, is Obama's Clintonites trying to force the existing director to resign. That way they do not have to fire him and listen to Congress complain, nothing more.


RE: Not quite right
By mcturkey on 1/6/2009 2:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
Two generations ahead? How the heck do you figure that? We're about to lose any national ability to put humans into space and become dependent on Russia for it. How the bloody hell do you call that being ahead?

Oooh, we landed a man on the moon about 40 years ago. Big whoop. We haven't done anything sustained since then.


RE: Not quite right
By FPP on 1/6/2009 4:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
Nonsense. China BUYs it's manned technology from the Russians.

The USA has spent billions on sustained living in space. We are the leaders in propulsion, manned flight, and reusable vehicles. We are the experts in EVA, sustained scientific platforms (Hubble) and have conducted the most sophisticated unmanned planetary science of any nation.

The idea that, somehow, we are behind is ludicrous. This is all some shell game to oust the director and avoid a tug-of-war with Congress. The big booster guys are also playing here, to keep selling the old technology.

Behind? Hogwash!


RE: Not quite right
By foolsgambit11 on 1/6/2009 5:33:48 PM , Rating: 2
So what if China bought its technology? Is the technology they now have really 40 or 50 years inferior to ours? Before you try to equivocate, I'll answer that rhetorical question in the negative. I would agree that we are not behind. But to argue that we are substantially ahead is to ignore the facts. The pace of improvement in other nations' space programs surpasses ours, and it would seem that only a few years from now someone else will have technological parity with us, whether it be China, or India, or the EU or Russia, or whoever.

We have phenomenal unmanned space technology, you are absolutely correct. But the fact that we have these marquee projects is due more to the amount of money we've been able to throw at the projects than to amazing technological superiority. The experience we have is valuable, no doubt. But to rest on our laurels because we think we've got a 40 year head start (or more, depending on when somebody else sends a manned mission to the moon) would be unwise.


RE: Not quite right
By FPP on 1/8/2009 9:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
How in the heck are you defining the milestones!?

No nation on earth has accomplished in space what we did even 3 decades ago. No one has had more successes in manned, or unmanned space activity, technologically, or otherwise. Now we're supposed to wet ourselves because the Chinese bought a way into space that's 40 years old?

Orion is decades ahead of any other vehicle currently flying or even in design i.e. ahead in heat shield tech, navigation, flight controls and avionics, environmental technology, etc. There is nothing on the boards like it in any nation on earth.

No one possesses as sophisticated solid or liquid fuel engines as ours. No one has ever equaled our lift capabilities. The Space Station is the most sophisticated, successful space habitat ever built.

In addition, we have a commerical space program unequaled by any nation, Spacex and Orbital Sciences will be flying missions within two years, commericalizing space services. Spacex's Falcon 9 Heavy series could lift Orion if called to do it, giving NASA an already-available alternative.

America is the unquestioned leader in space, by every measure. This whole thing is contrived to rid the Obama admin of the current director, nothing more. The fact that there are chuckleheads who buy this dung just flabbergasts me.


FitCamaro
By TennesseeTony on 1/6/2009 4:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
It's tough to vote you back into positive numbers buddy, but I want you to know I tried!!!

:)




RE: FitCamaro
By TennesseeTony on 1/6/2009 4:40:59 PM , Rating: 2
Holy crap! You're negative 1 again on some of those! You don't personally know PLAYSTATIONTHREE do you?


RE: FitCamaro
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 9:31:25 PM , Rating: 2
No just conservatives aren't very popular.


RE: FitCamaro
By Dreifort on 1/8/2009 1:48:27 PM , Rating: 2
It’s the wikipedians that steal their info from here (or vice versa). Did you not see the psychological study on Wiki Bloggers? Studies proved that wikipedians think of themselves as always being right and get upset when anyone questions any of their blogs.

In a nutshell - that is why ppl get rated down for the most part on sites like this. You don't agree with their views (even if you have a legitimate counterview), you get voted down. Welcome to America under Obama. This very mindset was witnessed by millions of Americans during the election.

You don't agree with Obama then you are evil and/or wrong. Even if you have a small disagreement with his views on Far East relations - you get slammed by bloggers.

So much for free speech, much less free thought.


Hmm..
By MystaEB on 1/6/2009 7:20:26 AM , Rating: 3
Ion Cannon anyone?




RE: Hmm..
By retrospooty on 1/6/2009 8:35:37 AM , Rating: 2
Or go totally retro with a wave motion gun =)


RE: Hmm..
By Dreifort on 1/6/2009 9:34:04 AM , Rating: 2
So Buck Rodgers will get a tax payer pension now (whenever he gets back from the future)?


Dear God, No!
By gcason on 1/6/2009 7:43:01 AM , Rating: 2
Linking NASA and the military would be horrible! Then, NASA could only work on science the military found useful.




RE: Dear God, No!
By FITCamaro on 1/6/2009 8:10:36 AM , Rating: 1
This is already largely the case. The military has been one of the biggest benefactors of advancements the space program has made. Just because something is good for the military though, doesn't mean it isn't good for other things.


RE: Dear God, No!
By Murloc on 1/6/2009 8:38:33 AM , Rating: 2
most technology is developed for the military, and then they find civil uses.


RE: Dear God, No!
By codeThug on 1/6/2009 11:10:56 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure they are already trying to weaponize martian microbes at this very moment.

Think of all the really cool missile silos we could put on the moon.


So when's Gort dropping by?
By shabby on 1/6/2009 6:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
Seems only a matter of time before he visit's, no?




RE: So when's Gort dropping by?
By MattCoz on 1/7/2009 1:11:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, because we're really a threat to the rest of the galaxy when we can't even get beyond our moon. At this point I'm sure they're thinking we'll destroy ourselves long before they need to. But once we discover FTL travel, let's just hope the Vulcans get here first.


Don't do it
By timct1 on 1/6/2009 6:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Just what we need: a highly secret space program kept far from the prying eyes of the public and any budget constraints. Before Wehrner Von Braun died he told others to watch for the day that an alien invasion of earth would be faked in order to get public support for the militarization of space. Well this may not be an alien invasion, but it will probably work. Our government already has too many secrets and I think this is dangerous.




By SlingShot1000 on 1/7/2009 2:15:38 PM , Rating: 2
Don't you know this is a ploy to get the Russian Spies that have infiltrated NASA into the Department of Defense!!! Obama is a Communist!




Another step to Socialism
By Screwballl on 1/6/09, Rating: -1
RE: Another step to Socialism
By sgw2n5 on 1/6/2009 12:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
Please explain to me how NASA currently a private industry?

Also, if Obama turns out to be half the socialist Bush is, I'll be very surprised.


RE: Another step to Socialism
By FPP on 1/6/2009 12:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
And take a look at exactly what the military really thnks of NASA, after they cut the Shuttle program loose. The military has saved billions by not involving itself with NASA.

The current guy correctly wants to replace the Shuttle, and all of this smacks of political favoratism towards the dems special interests i.e. Boeing and the other established booster makers.


By JKflipflop98 on 1/6/2009 8:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Before us we have the chance to step out into the great unknown and push forward the boundaries of all mankind.

But who cares. Let's use it as a political maneuver and shove it in the junk drawer afterwards.


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