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Tablet will be produced in Taiwan look to capture the well-received Lumia design aesthetic

Nokia Oyj. (HEL:NOK1V) is reportedly contemplating a Windows on ARM (WoA) tablet drop in Q4 2012.  The veteran smartphone maker -- long expected to make a tablet market entrance -- is said to be looking to upset veteran PC makers like Dell Inc. (DELL), with an attractive Windows 8 tablet.

Android tablets have either "flopped" or "are a work in progress" depending on who you ask.  Sales point to the former distinction.  

Opinions aside Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iPad still commandingly dominates tablet sales, two years after its introduction.  With the third-generation HD display-equipped iPad 3 on the way, that situation looks unlikely to change -- for the next few months, at least.

But in Q4 2012, Windows 8 will drop and with it cometh the biggest threat yet to the Apple iPad's dominance.

For those who enjoy technology Windows 8 represents a truly modern tablet experience, expected to have access to a full-fledged Office suite and a truly next generation Metro user interface that makes iOS look like a stodgy Palm Pilot.  So what does Nokia's tablet hold inside?

Nokia 10 inch tablet
Nokia is reportedly preparing a Lumia Windows 8 tablet.  [Image Source: The Verge]

According to Digitimes, Nokia's 10-inch tablet is looking to scale up the chic design aesthetic enjoyed by its Lumia 800 and Lumia 900 Windows Phones.  Nokia is contracting Taiwan's Compal Electronics, Inc. (TPE:2324) to produce the device, with an initial planned production run of 200,000 units.  

Inside lurks a dual-core Qualcomm Inc. (QCOM) ARM-architecture system-on-a-chip, likely one of the SnapDragon 4 variants.  The only disappointment here is that this means no Flash -- for now.  The future of Flash on Windows 8 ARM devices is uncertain, with Microsoft saying no to Internet Explorer 10 plugins -- for now.  Microsoft -- like Apple -- is going the HTML5 route, a route that has thus far disappointed in terms of real-world battery life performance, despite big promises.

While Dell is expected to heavily target business customers with its Windows 8 tablets, Nokia is reportedly primarily looking to push consumer sales.  Will consumers agree that Microsoft and its close partner Nokia are ready for primetime?  We may soon find out.


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No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By Flunk on 3/12/12, Rating: 0
RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By geddarkstorm on 3/12/2012 1:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
If anything, this should make Adobe worried as it may push the entire market towards a new standard to unify the web video experience of tablet/phone and PC/laptop.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By arnold123 on 3/12/2012 1:43:26 PM , Rating: 3
Adobe has already abandoned flash last year. So its gonna be all HTML5 player from here on.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By geddarkstorm on 3/12/2012 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
That was on the mobile side of things, from my understanding. They are still pushing flash on the PC, but with Windows 8 unifying the two platforms a bit more, flash may start being pushed out from the PC too--where Adobe has made a lot of money.

I could be wrong and missed any announcement of complete flash abandonment, though.


By Solandri on 3/12/2012 6:02:13 PM , Rating: 2
Folks, Flash wasn't intended to be The Standard for showing videos on the web. It just happened to be one of the things it could be used for.

Originally, Flash was (and still is) an artist's tool for implementing dynamic animation over low-bandwidth links. Instead of having to reconstruct the background every frame like with a video, in Flash you send the browser an image of the background once and the Flash player keeps it there. Instead of having to redraw a foreground actor if it spins or changes size, you just send the browser a vector map once and the player just spins it or resizes it.

Flash as an artist's tool isn't going away. Apple has voluntarily chosen to eliminate it from iOS space because it can function as a code interpreter (you can make useful Flash apps or malware which bypasses their App Store and thus their revenue/security model). Whether that's fatal to Flash remains to be seen, but it remains immensely popular in the artist community.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 11:23:25 PM , Rating: 3
Adobe makes money on Flash authoring tools, not the runtime.

If HTML 5 ends up completely replacing Flash on the desktop (and that's a big "if"), Adobe will make their money with authoring tools for that instead. They're already well on the way to doing that.


By JasonMick (blog) on 3/12/2012 3:02:01 PM , Rating: 2
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Adobe has already abandoned flash last year. So its gonna be all HTML5 player from here on.
Exactly. It will be a painful transition in terms of legacy content, as will the ARM Windows transition be. But new apps will move on to HTML5, much as new apps will now be dual-compiled with ARM support for Windows.

I would expect Adobe to be very much in the game still, in the long-term. Apple, et al.'s hackish efforts at HTML5 have somewhat sucked in terms of battery performance.

As much as Adobe has been criticized, its lightweight efforts in terms of mobile Flash have been relatively battery friendly. I expect it to make one heck of an HTML5 development platform/distribution package. Microsoft hasn't ruled out third party HTML5 platforms in Windows 8 (not yet) -- just no direct plugins for IE 10. Thus expect Adobe to drop an Air-like app platform built on HTML5, which would seem kosher, based on Microsoft's most recent statements.


By GuinnessKMF on 3/12/2012 1:44:06 PM , Rating: 3
Ads can be made just as obnoxious in HTML5, and this might make them more difficult to block, since they can be tightly integrated into the website.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By corduroygt on 3/12/2012 1:55:47 PM , Rating: 2
I browse newspaper websites and other video websites on my HP Touchpad and flash support is great. It doesn't matter much on a phone with a tiny screen, but on a post-PC tablet world, flash still matters until every website becomes HTML5.

Without flash support, why would anyone buy a Win8 tablet over an iPad? Not much room for undercutting iPad pricing with the iPad 2 now at the $399 price point.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By InsGadget on 3/12/2012 2:56:54 PM , Rating: 3
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Without flash support, why would anyone buy a Win8 tablet over an iPad?
Because one is a computer, and one is a toy.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By corduroygt on 3/12/2012 3:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
There are far more iOS Apps than Windows-on-ARM apps. You realize that the Win8 ARM tablets won't be able to run standard windows apps don't you?


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By StevoLincolnite on 3/12/2012 10:51:14 PM , Rating: 2
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There are far more iOS Apps than Windows-on-ARM apps. You realize that the Win8 ARM tablets won't be able to run standard windows apps don't you?


My x86 Windows 8 tablet has more Apps than iOS does. Almost 20+ years of software does that for you.

Also. Windows 8 "Arm edition" can run x86 Apps, provided they use a middleware API where the App isn't reliant on the CPU Architecture.

Plus, some smart bugger will probably create an Emulator for it at any rate.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By corduroygt on 3/12/2012 11:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
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My x86 Windows 8 tablet has more Apps than iOS does. Almost 20+ years of software does that for you.

Your x86 windows tablet is thick, heavy and gets poor battery life so that in reality it's no easier to use than a proper x86 laptop., which I'd rather buy.

quote:
Also. Windows 8 "Arm edition" can run x86 Apps, provided they use a middleware API where the App isn't reliant on the CPU Architecture.

None of the existing x86 apps use that API given that they were written when it did not exist.

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Plus, some smart bugger will probably create an Emulator for it at any rate.

With horrible performance and user experience to go along with it...


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By StevoLincolnite on 3/13/2012 1:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
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Your x86 windows tablet is thick, heavy and gets poor battery life so that in reality it's no easier to use than a proper x86 laptop., which I'd rather buy.


No it's not. I can hold it in one hand just fine. Weight isn't an issue.
Battery life is in the area of 10 hours. Same as an iPad. - Don't automatically presume.

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None of the existing x86 apps use that API given that they were written when it did not exist.


Wrong. .Net framework apps, Flash Apps, Java Apps would ALL work fine.

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With horrible performance and user experience to go along with it...


Perhaps. But that will not always remain true. Technology will progress and speed won't be to much of a hindrance.


By corduroygt on 3/13/2012 2:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
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No it's not. I can hold it in one hand just fine. Weight isn't an issue.

BS. Which x86 tablet is this? Also weight is extremely important in a tablet, have you ever used one? Do you even have one?

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Wrong. .Net framework apps, Flash Apps, Java Apps would ALL work fine.

Flash does not work with Win 8 ARM, and all those other apps are poor choices since they're not designed for touchscreen inputs.

It all comes down to user experience, and Win8 tablets either have good user experience with no apps or horrible user experience with many apps.


By Helbore on 3/13/2012 2:23:06 PM , Rating: 2
Medfield tablets might just change all that/


By StanO360 on 3/12/2012 3:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair we don't know what it will be. Windows 8 ARM is unknown at this point.


RE: No Flash only means less annoying ads.
By nikon133 on 3/12/2012 8:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
Good integration with Windows desktop OS, 25GB of free cloud space on SkyDrive, decent MS Office for tablets... just a few reasons I would and will consider.

For business users, manageability through group policies, Sharepoint, CRM integration, decent MS Office for tablets...

I replaced my original iPad for Asus Transformer. Yes, iOS was/is noticeably smoother and I don't use widgets a lot, nor am I too fuzzed with animated backgrounds. For me, major reason was DivX/XviD playback (have some old TV shows I like to watch on tablet and hate to re-encode them). Also Flash, to a lesser extend. I prefer to have most of the Internet accessible as long as Flash ir relevant, and it still is. In fact I really like Android's capability to let me enable Flash, enable Flash on demand or completely disabling it.

But my syncing between PC and tablet leaves much to be desired. Using Asus desktop software, I managed to sync first time between Outlook 2010 calendar and contacts and tablet, but 2nd sync ended up messing/duplicating/... some tablet inputs. Might be I messed up something, also might be there's a better application for that than Asus default one... but as it is, I'd like flawless syncing between Outlook and tablet's calendar/contacts/tasks, and that might be another reason for me to go from Android to Win 8 tablet.

Of course, DivX playback and other factors will remain relevant as well.

Different people, different scenarios.


By corduroygt on 3/12/2012 11:26:26 PM , Rating: 2
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Good integration with Windows desktop OS, 25GB of free cloud space on SkyDrive, decent MS Office for tablets... just a few reasons I would and will consider.

1. How is the integration better with the Windows desktop OS better?
2. iCloud offers similar features.
3. Office is coming to iPad as well.

quote:
For business users, manageability through group policies, Sharepoint, CRM integration, decent MS Office for tablets...

1. You don't need those complex group policies on iOS as the important stuff is sandboxed and ipads are single user machines.
2. There are far better and more numerous CRM apps on the iPad.

As I said, flash would be pretty big, but it's absent from Win8 on ARM.


I'll have 2 please!
By Simonova on 3/12/2012 12:54:52 PM , Rating: 3
With Nokia's hardware and design quality and Microsoft's software this is sure to be a winning product that neither company could manage on their own.




RE: I'll have 2 please!
By chmilz on 3/12/12, Rating: 0
RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 2:52:40 PM , Rating: 2
chmilz speaks the truth and gets downvotes. Nope, no bias here...


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 3:32:13 PM , Rating: 1
He shares your opinion on Android. That's not "speaking the truth". And saying something "sh%t the bed" is biased and a pretty amateur evaluation in itself. So please, don't pull the bias card when his post was nothing BUT biased and opinionated.

There isn't even any "fragmentation". Android is moving toward ICS, a new version. That's like saying OSX is "fragmented" because not everyone has upgraded to Lion yet. Or Windows is fragmented because there are Vista users. Just more baseless biased trolling.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 5:31:38 PM , Rating: 2
Opinionated posts are fine when they are backed up by facts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45779746/ns/technology...

quote:
This is awful news. Samsung just made Google look really stupid for ever claiming that Android devices will start getting on a somewhat unified update cycle, similar to what iPhone and Windows Phone users enjoy now.

It also demonstrates the inherent problem in Android phone manufacturers customizing the OS to the point where you can barely recognize Google's original intentions for design and functionality.


More from a WP7 site: http://wmpoweruser.com/60-of-us-android-phones-not...

Nope, no fragmentation at all.

When a phone that is well under a 2 year contract won't get updates, that is a problem. I've said over and over, Google needs to take control back from carriers and manufacturers. Even the "flagship" Nexus S is still waiting on official ICS updates, ridiculous.

I could go into another paragraph on pathetic app inventory, fragmented app market, many developers (including Microsoft) avoiding the platform because it isn't profitable, but I've gone down that road with you many times. Keep denying reality and crying about "opinionated" posts.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 6:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
lmao MSNBC. Okay. THE authority on mobile devices no doubt.

quote:
Keep denying reality and crying about "opinionated" posts.


You started the crying here. Someone posted a ridiculous and unfounded opinion, and you come in with your typical "Boooo DT is so biased, he got rated down" nonsense. Go lecture somewhere else, people get rated down all the time for everything. Big deal.

Android isn't a walled garden. Not sure why you have such a grudge against it for that. You're basically saying than anything not tightly controlled ala Apple/Microsoft is doing it wrong etc etc bla bla.

You have proven, in every discussion, to apply a double standard to Android. You seem convinced it's a terrible, and apparently "not profitable" platform. Too bad the consumers and market don't agree with you.

quote:
many developers (including Microsoft) avoiding the platform because it isn't profitable


Another double standard. Takin, the entire WORLD is avoiding WP7 platform and app inventory. Hello? Check the market share. Who in the hell is buying Windows phones? Nobody!

And yet here you are pointing out how Microsoft, who can't even generate market share in this segment despite pouring money into it, is a yardstick for measuring Android's success? Hello irony!

quote:
pathetic app inventory


More bias. WP7 has the pathetic app inventory, yet you sing their praises. And honestly, this isn't 2007! Everyone knows that most apps does not equal best phone. There are more apps on Android that can ever be used by anyone. Everything is covered! Wtf are you talking about?

quote:
When a phone that is well under a 2 year contract won't get updates, that is a problem.


I agree. Android is going through some growing pains. But ICS is a huge move toward fixing this and ending the "fragmentation". So your argument is outdated. New phones/tablets won't have this problem anymore. And Android isn't fragmented anymore.

"But Reclaimer, two year old phones should be able to run it." Yeah well, my 486 should get Windows 7. But we all can't get what we want.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 11:19:51 PM , Rating: 2
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lmao MSNBC. Okay. THE authority on mobile devices no doubt.


You can't counter their arguments, hard facts in this case, so you lol. Awesome.

Argue the fact that so many phones aren't getting Android OS updates, please.

http://i.imgur.com/oUxfq.jpg

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Android isn't a walled garden. Not sure why you have such a grudge against it for that. You're basically saying than anything not tightly controlled ala Apple/Microsoft is doing it wrong etc etc bla bla.


I only care about the end result. Open source sounds good, but in practice it has been a negative for the consumer so far. There is no centralized accountability for updates, no centralized app market, no centralized standards for hardware, and malware has been a much bigger issue than on competing platforms. This makes things complicated and expensive for users, and far less profitable for developers.

The main thing this system is in aid of are phone carriers and hardware manufacturers. It allows for carriers to put their crapware and custom UIs unless you get a Nexus, and for users who want the newest Android OS it encourages more frequent hardware turnover.

Google needs to do what MS and Apple are doing and take control back from the phone companies.

Or are you on the side of the carriers?

quote:
Another double standard. Takin, the entire WORLD is avoiding WP7 platform and app inventory. Hello? Check the market share. Who in the hell is buying Windows phones? Nobody!


The point you were reacting to was about Microsoft developing applications for iOS and not Android. What does differences in app development between iOS and Android have to do with WP7 sales? Two different topics.

quote:
You have proven, in every discussion, to apply a double standard to Android. You seem convinced it's a terrible, and apparently "not profitable" platform. Too bad the consumers and market don't agree with you.


It isn't very profitable for developers: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/79061/App-Developers-Be...

Android development flatlined over 2011 while it continued to accelerate on iOS. Crossplatform developers make $0.24 for every dollar they make on iOS. This is before we get to developer issues dealing with fragmented operating systems and hardware.

It is additional headache for less return. All of the mobile developers I know hate Android with the fury of 1000 suns (even more than me, haha). With iOS and WP7 they have a solid baseline for development and distribution. And they LOVE WP7, shame it isn't selling so well right now.

On top of this look how many people actually use iOS.

http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Release...

Despite what was in September less than half of the mobile OS market, iOS still managed to drive almost two-thirds of total mobile traffic. That number is surely higher now after the massive sales of the iPhone 4S and the new iPad. The iPad also had 97% of tablet traffic.

So yes, developers know exactly where the money is.

quote:
More bias. WP7 has the pathetic app inventory, yet you sing their praises.


The baseline WP7 OS and market is solid. The fact that is hasn't sold isn't a failure of the quality of the platform, it is a failure on Microsoft's part to sell it. It is too bad and hopefully they can fix this.

Part of the blame falls to phone companies pushing Android over all other platforms. It is all they advertise on billboards, and salespeople are told to push Android. The iPhone sells itself so that is squared away. This leaves WP7 left sadly twisting in the wind while an inferior platform that cell carriers have total control over is shoved out.

quote:
And honestly, this isn't 2007! Everyone knows that most apps does not equal best phone. There are more apps on Android that can ever be used by anyone. Everything is covered! Wtf are you talking about?


Most apps means most high quality apps. There are so many good apps that will never see the light of day on Android. I guess if your measure of success is Angry Birds then I guess it's ok.

quote:
I agree. Android is going through some growing pains. But ICS is a huge move toward fixing this and ending the "fragmentation". So your argument is outdated. New phones/tablets won't have this problem anymore. And Android isn't fragmented anymore.


There are tens of millions of phones still under contract that will never get an ICS upgrade, and some are still stuck on Gingerbread. It will take a LONG time for the platform to get homogenized, and even then there is no guarantee that current phones will all get carrier upgrades to whatever is next.

quote:
"But Reclaimer, two year old phones should be able to run it." Yeah well, my 486 should get Windows 7.


A 2009 iPhone 3GS runs iOS 5. A launch Windows Phone 7 runs Mango. None of the above is guaranteed with Android that is under a year old.

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But we all can't get what we want.


Not if you choose Android, certainly. Well, you can mess with your home screen, I guess that's cool.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/2012 9:56:26 AM , Rating: 2
Having deja vu here. I feel like we've covered this ground before. I'm going to skip the point-by-point reply, which is based on nothing but your own confirmation bias, and make a statement.

Whatever Google has done, whatever mistakes they've made, they still are the only company that's been able to compete on any level with Apple. RIM has utterly failed, and Microsoft has been a huge disappointment. You can go on and about things that most consumers know nothing about or care nothing for, but at the end of the day, Google's market share proves they make a solid OS and ecosystem for smart phones.

You speak about Android as if it's a failed product. You show extreme favoritism for Microsoft. Yet in the mobile device kingdom, there's basically a duopoly; Google and Apple. Nobody else is even competing.

quote:
I only care about the end result.


You obviously don't. The "end result" here is that Google found a way to compete with Apple. Something nobody else has been able to do. Not even RIM, who invented the smart phone.

Without Google's insertion into this market, it's very clear to me that Apple would have a true monopoly. Now it's clear that's what you and Tony want, but the rest of us know how bad for the consumer that would be.

So you can rant and rave all day long with your cherry picked examples, blaming the carriers for "pushing Android" (so lame and fictional), and "fragmentation" out the ass. I don't care. Millions of people out there do not care. We don't make value judgements based on your criteria.

quote:
On top of this look how many people actually use iOS.


I'm not disputing how many people use iOS or it's market dominance. Sorry Google doesn't just decide to roll over and die because of it. They are the ONLY ones competing with Apple, and every day I have to come here and see you besmirch their efforts with tacky attacks. Do you really want to see a total domination and monopoly by Apple?


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By corduroygt on 3/13/2012 10:11:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yet in the mobile device kingdom, there's basically a duopoly; Google and Apple. Nobody else is even competing.

I would narrow that down to the "smartphone kingdom" since Android tablets are a bust too and the tablet market is basically an Apple monopoly.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/13/2012 10:39:52 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, true. But even in tablets there is Apple with whatever is left going to Android. No other competing brands.

The Kindle Fire did okay, I mean not iPad level. But still better than RIM or Microsoft could manage.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/15/2012 1:03:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The "end result" here is that Google found a way to compete with Apple.


Unfortunately it has been with many compromises to the customer.

I would have a much much better opinion of the platform if they took control away from the carriers.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/15/2012 1:18:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
They are the ONLY ones competing with Apple, and every day I have to come here and see you besmirch their efforts with tacky attacks. Do you really want to see a total domination and monopoly by Apple?


You are projecting. It isn't about wanting dominance by Apple, it is about ways in which Android is deficient and what they should do to fix it. Two very different things.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 11:33:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree. Android is going through some growing pains. But ICS is a huge move toward fixing this and ending the "fragmentation". So your argument is outdated. New phones/tablets won't have this problem anymore. And Android isn't fragmented anymore.


http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/p...

http://i.imgur.com/oUxfq.jpg


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Tony Swash on 3/12/12, Rating: -1
RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Arsynic on 3/12/2012 2:13:16 PM , Rating: 4
I couldn't understand you with Tim Cooks cock in your mouth...


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By Tony Swash on 3/12/2012 3:48:48 PM , Rating: 1
You shouldn't give into bitterness even if it all turns out more disappointing than you had hoped :)


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By geekman1024 on 3/13/2012 12:46:07 AM , Rating: 2
I think he is referring to this:

quote:
Ummmmmm?


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By spread on 3/12/2012 10:13:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, try out the Windows 8 Consumer Preview and then tell me that. It's pretty bad.

I challenge you to figure out how to turn off the device through Windows. See if you can find where they moved the shutdown button. I'll give you 20 minutes for this challenge. Closed book.

I also challenge you to figure out how to open up an application you just installed. I will give you 30 minutes for this challenge. Also closed book. No help allowed.

You can't use this interface. Nobody can use this interface. I don't know what they were thinking but something was lost in translation from the Windows Phone 7 Metro UI.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 11:39:22 PM , Rating: 2
It needs another year in the oven.

I really wish they'd release a version with the Win7 desktop combined with the additional features of Win8 (integrated ISO mounting, etc). Metro is fine, the Win7 desktop is fine, mashing them together no thought towards clear integration is maddening. I thought Apple was nuts about rolling some aspects of iOS into Lion (Launchpad, ugh), but at least the tablet stuff is completely optional and doesn't get in the way of a logical and classic style desktop UI.

If Metro somehow only enabled when you had an undocked tablet, and if you are docked you are in a standard desktop UI, boom, so many problems solved.


RE: I'll have 2 please!
By HackSacken on 3/13/2012 12:23:20 AM , Rating: 2
challenge 1: right side menu-along with most other settings
Challenge2: start menu perhaps? If not then just type, the power of search is amazing. Search for anything, it usually finds it.

I'll admit, it needs work before RTM, but the advancements seem to make sense. The new tile screen is essentially my start menu. Just with the live icons. Maybe we should call it Live Start Menu, so to speak. I can also nail the start menu every time without hesitation from it sitting in the left most bottom corner.

In addition, they've given me more screen real estate and move the "task bar" to the side of the screen. Good move given we lose real estate from wide screen monitors. It only makes sense to move it away from the bottom.


Q4? Yeah right! I will believe it when I see it!
By jnemesh on 3/12/12, Rating: 0
By arnold123 on 3/12/2012 2:21:25 PM , Rating: 3
Number of core hardly matters as long as user experience is as expected. Have seen a lot of dual core android devices which are dual core and have a gig of ram and still choppy at the end of the day . Now a days number of cores have become a marketing thing just like the Mhz in the PC era and we know how that worked.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 2:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, the OS is a huge factor. The fact that WP7 on Snapdragon or iOS on A4 were both much smoother than Android on the technically faster Hummingbird says it all. Number of cores and clock speed are irrelevant when the OS is a pig.

At that point those stats are just bulletpoints marketing for neckbeards who ignore practical performance because OMG MEGAHURTZ. Same as the AMD suckers who think Bulldozer is good because it runs at higher clockspeeds, completely ignoring the fact that it has inferior performance.

The Zune HD and WP7 devices were all buttery smooth, right up there with iOS. I expect that this Nokia tablet running Windows 8 will be smooth as well.


By JasonMick (blog) on 3/12/2012 3:07:44 PM , Rating: 2
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The Zune HD and WP7 devices were all buttery smooth, right up there with iOS. I expect that this Nokia tablet running Windows 8 will be smooth as well.
I agree with you there to SOME extent.

Granted, I've almost never encountered slowdown on my HTC EVO and it has a 1 GHz single core chip. But I would give iOS/Windows Phones a slight edge in terms of screen transitions, etc., though in my experience it is much more subtle than your comment might lead people to believe.

I think the Metro UI in general is great for a touch interface. Having played with it for a while at IDF and CES, I must say I like it better than iOS 5 or Android ICS.

iOS looks super-dated versus the gorgeous Metro UI. And Microsoft's pouring a LOT of work into making good looking, easy to use core apps, so Apple is unlikely to be able to make up for its aged interface by being better on that front.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 5:21:22 PM , Rating: 3
I think Metro is awesome, I've been an advocate for WP7 for a while now. I do wish that there was better integration with it on the Windows 8 desktop though. I'll be using Windows 8 on a desktop and laptop and almost certainly will not be running it on a tablet, so compromising the desktop for a tablet UI would really suck.

Right now it feels like a touch interface is being forced upon a desktop interface, and I really don't want the desktop interface to be compromised by Microsoft's desire to put this OS on both tablets and desktops. OS X Lion initially bothered me with the things they rolled over from iOS, but in the end it didn't interfere with the desktop GUI paradigm so it wasn't so bad. What Microsoft is doing right now is as if Apple suddenly made Launchpad the default interface for OS X, and that would make me mad enough to flip tables.

As far as iOS goes, the UI is still super smooth and there is no question that it has the best applications and strongest developer community right now. The UI doesn't bother me since it is fine as an app launcher. Those keep it extremely viable. As far as UI, we'll see what happens with iOS 6, but as it stands it is fine in the face of the awesome Metro and (lol) ICS.


By arnold123 on 3/12/2012 6:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Metro clearly copies from Android and ICS


Wrong. Metro UI was introduced with the Zune which was 5 yrs back , even before Android (the company ) was bought over by Google. Metro UI principle has been used in Xbox360 and WP since.

Also Metro is a design principle and not just tiles showing more info at a glance.
It takes inspiration for our Urban metros , where we have big boards/banners to point up to places we wanna go to (without having to go to downtown every time we wanna go to another part of the town). This makes navigating the system (town) more efficient and less time consuming.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 10:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wrong. Metro UI was introduced with the Zune which was 5 yrs back


Not five years, but close. The Zune HD was released September 2009, two and a half years ago. In any case, the Metro UI used in it was out not long after Android hit the market. Clearly it isn't copying Android or ICS, the very notion says a lot about how big an Android fanatic/apologist Reclaimer is.


By PrezWeezy on 3/12/2012 6:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Metro clearly copies from Android and ICS


I don't really see where it borrows at all. I don't think if you handed someone a Nexus, an iPhone and a WP7 they would be able to see anything similar in WP7 to the other two. To be fair, I think Android has actually done an OK job of moving away from iOS and it is now truly it's own interface. But originally they were very similar (home screen aside).


By Tony Swash on 3/12/2012 8:27:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

More like evangelist. Metro clearly copies from Android and ICS, yet you think it's awesome and "lol" ICS. Everyone seems to think ICS is a major advancement in touch interfaces,


Would that be the same ICS that was released six months ago and is now running on a total of 1.6% of Android devices?

I suppose if things go really well we should see ICS on 10% of Android devices in about four years time :)

Every time you get excited about the super new features in the latest Android version you should go here

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/p...

...and see the sad truth.


By TakinYourPoints on 3/12/2012 10:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Metro clearly copies from Android and ICS


Wow, you keep finding deeper and deeper depths of stupid. Are you for real?

I'm starting to suspect that you're a character account created to make Android fanboys and right-wingers look retarded.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 3:27:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows 8 is shaping up to be a train wreck of a product


Really? Odd, I haven't seen anything showing this was the case. Can you elaborate please?


By StanO360 on 3/12/2012 3:33:15 PM , Rating: 2
Not owning either one (iOS or WP7), just picking them up and tooling around, WP7 is very nice, and certainly more compelling. I guarantee in a blind test, people would flock to WP7 and Win8 tablets if there was no marketing or pre-suppositions.

If these tablets look anything like the Nokia 900's it will be very nice. But the big question is going to be pricing.


By Tony Swash on 3/12/2012 3:52:22 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Really? Odd, I haven't seen anything showing this was the case. Can you elaborate please?


This might help

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windo...

and this

http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windo...

or even this

http://www.infoworld.com/t/operating-systems/why-i...


By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 4:00:51 PM , Rating: 2
So when Windows 8 sells millions of copies, you'll come back and say you were wrong?


By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 4:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and way to spam a single source instead of a variety. Seriously Tony?

Knowing you Infoworld is another typically biased site bought and paid for by Apple loyalists.


By Tony Swash on 3/12/2012 4:07:51 PM , Rating: 1
I didn't take a position I just posted a few links. I think Windows 8 might succeed, that it could fail, that it is a big gamble forced by an inflection point, that Windows 8 on the desktop has a better chance of succeeding than Windows 8 on tablets and that the whole approach of Windows 8 is a tricky thing for Microsoft's enterprise customers. I don't know, I suspect Microsoft's star is waning and will continue to wane. But who knows, they surprised me by actually innovating with WP7 rather than just cloning iOS like Google did. Either way it won't impact much on Apple and if Windows 8 does have legs in the tablet world it will be the final nail in the coffin of Android tablets. Selling a successful tablet and making money whilst doing it is about way more than the OS.


By Cheesew1z69 on 3/12/2012 4:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
cloning iOS like Google did
Except, it really didn't, no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it any more true.


By messele on 3/13/2012 9:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
Now I don't wish to complicate things further but some would say that had Eric Schmidt not been on the board at Apple around 2007 then Android OS would have borne an uncanny resemblance to BlackBerry OS.


By Reclaimer77 on 3/12/2012 4:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
Since when were we talking about it's "impact" on Apple? Must everything about anything be viewed by you in that context every time? Do they pay you to write this stuff or something?


too big
By zephyrprime on 3/13/2012 11:26:31 AM , Rating: 2
I just don't have any faith in Windows on a tablet. Even with a slimmed down Windows 8, the windows codebase is just too bloated and big to perform well on a tablet. MS is stupid to not adapt windows phone for the tablet.




I've got a fever..
By SilentSin on 3/13/2012 11:34:30 AM , Rating: 2
And the only prescription is MORE BEZEL! Holy crap those bezels are absurd. I could use this thing as a dinner tray and put my food on the top and bottom without obscuring the screen at all. I love the Lumia design but there's absolutely no need for all that waste.




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