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MTV News source's sketch of supposed Xbox 360 controller  (Source: MTV News)
Rumor has it: Microsoft is working on its own Wiimote

The secret to the Wii’s success likely doesn’t have anything to do with impressive graphics, but rather its relatively low price point and innovative controller scheme. While there’s little doubt that both Microsoft and Sony have been busy cooking up answers to the Wii’s appeal, neither camp has responded with anything other than price drops.

According to MTV, citing anonymous sources, Microsoft has been developing its own version of the Wii Remote controller since last summer, with hopes of a rollout later this year. “[Microsoft] marketing just want it so they can match the Wii point for point. The biggest parts of their marketing materials outline how easy it would be for third parties to port their Wii games to the 360,” said the source.

The Microsoft-owned developer Rare, known for Viva Pinata, Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo on Xbox 360, is supposedly working on a unified interface and look for the new motion-sensitive controller. The source even supplied a sketch of the proposed controller, which looks startlingly similar to the Wii Remote.

Predictably, Microsoft officials refused to comment, saying, “Microsoft does not comment on rumors and speculation.”

Microsoft isn’t alone in its potential efforts of replicating the Wii Remote’s success. Sony filed a patent in May 2006 for a new controller method, which is described as, “Detecting and tracking the user's manipulations of a game controller body can be used to implement many different types of games, simulations, etc., that allow the user to, for example, engage in a sword or lightsaber fight, use a wand to trace the shape of items, engage in many different types of sporting events, engage in on-screen fights or other encounters, etc.”

It’s unlikely that the addition of a new controller or other peripheral will be enough for Sony or Microsoft to douse Nintendo’s fire, though only time will tell for sure.



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They gotta do something
By jhinoz on 4/8/2008 11:59:27 AM , Rating: 5
But if super Gates brother's galaxy comes out on 360, i'm not playing it.

Nor Ballmer Kart

Super Smash Steve Jobs might be worth a look though...




RE: They gotta do something
By djcameron on 4/8/2008 12:09:04 PM , Rating: 3
Ballmer Kart might be fun! He'd be like Bowser, only louder...


RE: They gotta do something
By jhinoz on 4/8/2008 12:13:53 PM , Rating: 5
Nah, he'd just try and buy your Kart. If you didn't want to sell it, he'd just ask your Kart if it would prefer to be sold or not.


RE: They gotta do something
By jtemplin on 4/8/2008 5:13:53 PM , Rating: 3
Homer: Ohhh, they have the internet on computers now!
...
Gates: I couldn't figure out what if anything Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net does, so rather than risk competing with you, I've decided simply to buy you out.
...
Gates: Buy em out boys!
("boys" destroy homer's makeshift office)

Homer: Hey what the hells goin on?

Gates: Ohoh I didn't get rich by writin a lotta checks!
*evil laughter ensues*


RE: They gotta do something
By christojojo on 4/8/2008 10:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
I was thinking that he would have booster powers of mega sweat, and psychotic chanting. :)

For the three of you who haven't seen it yet.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6304687408...


RE: They gotta do something
By theeq on 4/9/2008 11:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
Developers are apparently drawn like flies to large quantities of sweat and hand clapping.


RE: They gotta do something
By Samus on 4/9/2008 1:13:13 AM , Rating: 2
Louder? LIKE DEVELOPERS!!!?


RE: They gotta do something
By KamiXkaze on 4/8/2008 8:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
Personally I am leaning more towards Ballmer-man because he will just blow the competition away lol.

KxK


RE: They gotta do something
By inperfectdarkness on 4/9/2008 9:17:57 AM , Rating: 1
is anyone honestly suprised by this? is this any different than what microsoft tried to do with the original xbox?

microsoft stopped innovating about 10 years ago. everything since then has simply been them flexing their financial muscles by creating well-disguised, hype-marketed, knockoff-laden products.

zune, xbox, vista, etc. the list goes on and on. microsoft hasn't an original bone in it's body.

the only reason the origninal xbox sold? hype-marketed. only reason vista is selling? hype-marketing. microsoft had NOTHING...i repeat N O T H I N G to offer console gaming. sony and nintendo had the market well covered. microsoft only managed to "buy out" a few select game developers, and then hype, hype, hype. even their so-called "xbox live" is nothing more than a means of eeking out $10 more per month out of their loyal fans. coincidence that i can play UT3 on my pc without subscription fees? i think not!

IF microsoft ever brings a "motion sensing controller" to market--it will only have done it by being the same monolithic, coniving, dishonest, greedy corporation that has continued to be for the last decade.


RE: They gotta do something
By theeq on 4/9/2008 11:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
Didn't Sony try to copy Nintendo here already? Didn't that kind of fail miserably?
Really, a lot of what keeps Nintendo going is innovation. Near the end of the Gamecube, they were pushing innovations that people weren't too keen on, but innovation none the less. Sony is stuck in a rut of crappy sequels (Mario and Zelda and Metroid at least come out with GOOD sequels) and Microsoft seems to be thriving on the wolf named Halo. Nintendo made a big gambit with the Wii and it payed off. Big time. You just don't see those kind of risks in the other two companies. You don't even see Apple-esque pretend-to-be-new thinking. There's a reason I've always had more fun with Nintendo.


By inperfectdarkness on 4/9/2008 12:49:07 PM , Rating: 2
without getting into the litany of what nintendo has done--yes.

while nintendo may not be the earliest to brainchild some ideas--they have brought the most innovations to console gaming (d-pad, analog stick, rumble, shoulder buttons, etc.)

don't get me wrong--i don't think nintendo should be alone in this market. but i root for sony/microsoft the way i root for ATI; i want them alive just to drive competition.

you're 100% correct about nintendo sequels. long after myriads of other iconic console "heros" have gone by the wayside (bonk, lara croft, sonic, etc.)--nintendo's title characters live on. innovation and stellar gameplay are what keep them alive. even master chief's days are numbered.

imho, the world of console gaming run by sony/microsoft is a world driven by profits and greed. nintendo has ALWAYS been focused on the consumer--and they understand that profit comes naturally when you have a good relationship with your consumers and you treat them right.

you want proof? nintendo started making sturdier straps and rubber casings for its wiimotes--long before it became a widespread problem (we're talking < 6 months). microsoft, on the otherhand, flat-out launched a shoddy product...and didn't admit to its design flaws until 2 years later. nintendo will bend over backwards to its consumers to insure that their experience/customer service/support after the sale is the best in the world.

it's no co-incidence that just when rare broke up with nintendo (and got purchased by microsoft) all of its top talent left the company. even bungee (who won't admit to it) has had enough.


Microsoft needs to concentrate on these first
By Staples on 4/8/08, Rating: 0
By Locutus465 on 4/8/2008 3:39:28 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm... I have a new HDMI premium and I've compared it to the noise coming from a launch premium... No comparison, the launch console was way louder...

Media center can be iffy, the biggest problem it faces is it's poor handling of weak signal situations... On my desktop I have a custom app that came with my USB tuner that can receive fairly just about every local station avaiable in my area... It struggles to maintain a solid signal in some cases, but you always get somthing... In the case of media center it only consdiers 5 out of 15 or so channels useable.. Big issue there that needs to be corrected by MS... Every other media center issue I've had some how releates to this core issue

I'm not so sure whether bluray is critical to the 360 or not... Paticularly once bluray SA's start getting better, the new panny and sony's will be great models... Fact of the matter is, when bluray *REALLY* takes off it will be with SA's, not PS3's.


By omnicronx on 4/8/2008 4:40:14 PM , Rating: 2
1. All new 360's are quieter by at least 3 fold, not only is the disc drive much quieter, but the internal fans are also do not seem to let off as much noise. Take it from me, I have a may06 console and its a jet engine compared to newer versions.

2. Whats wrong with MCE? what bugs? It merely streams almost exactly what is on your PC via RDP remote desktop, and the video is stream is also done in a similar fashion. In other words its almost all server side. And more than a few people use MCE, its probably the most used app of its kind ( I am sure Myth TV is close, but as MCE is included in vista now, I am sure it has a larger fan base)

3.Why does the 360 need a BD addon to catch up with the wii? First gen wii's can not even play DVDs let alone BD's. Microsoft has obviously done the research into the neccessity of having a BD drive, whether it be addon or not, and so far it seems that they think they can do without.
As I will trust Microsofts authority over yours any day, if they thought a BD player would truly add value to the 360, without cutting too much into their profits, it would have been announced already.


By FITCamaro on 4/9/2008 8:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
I still just use TVersity. Since Divx support was added it still works great and doesn't have to convert the video to stream it.


Oh, Please
By 16nm on 4/8/2008 12:07:50 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Predictably, Microsoft officials refused to comment, saying, “Microsoft does not comment on rumors and speculation.”


Well, that settles it. Microsoft are working on this controller. they came out and commented on the rumors WRT the Lite-on Blu-ray drive.




Nice
By Aikouka on 4/8/2008 1:19:14 PM , Rating: 5
I like how MTV considers this news worthy when all they can do to "prove" it is show a drawing that looks like it was done in MS Paint (and claim it was from their insider) when the article just seems like a speculatory piece*.

* Note that I'm not saying that this couldn't happen, but more jeering at the poor diagram :P.




Reliable
By encryptkeeper on 4/8/2008 2:18:20 PM , Rating: 1
According to MTV, citing anonymous sources, Microsoft has been developing its own version of the Wii Remote controller since last summer

Yeah, MTV is where I go to get all my reliable news, just before checking the Daily Show, the Colbert Report, E-News Daily, FOXNews, and Rush Limbaugh's radio show.




RE: Reliable
By Carter642 on 4/8/2008 10:16:36 PM , Rating: 3
I was just thinking that... I mean seriously, what does MTV do to get an exclusive before all the MS watchers out there?! Actually the answer might be who did MTV send to sleep with someone at MS for this "scoop"?

Here, I'll preview the next gen mac book:

It'll be rectangular and likely some parts will be shiny. Here's a top secret scetch I stole from Jobs!
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| @ |
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That's some darn fine reporting there!


360 Wii type controller
By wallijonn on 4/8/2008 1:35:54 PM , Rating: 2
I see the Wii controller as being the closest thing to keyboard and mouse (nunchuck is WASD, the remote is Mouse Look), I would love to see it on my PS3.




Interesting...
By Locutus465 on 4/8/2008 3:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
But who knows as to what effect it will have on the market. Perhaps if they pair this with a slew of x-box archade games that take advantage of the control scheme. One other question is will they be able to have a numchuck like device attached to it with out treding on Nintendo's patents? I think this will be critical for making this more than a nearly useless novelty.




Will it be named Xbox 365
By nofumble62 on 4/9/2008 5:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
5 stands for 5 years later.




Picture Source
By testing123 on 4/11/2008 3:07:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think you should post a source for you article pictures so I don't have to Google 'Wii girl pink golf hat', how embarrassing!

http://gadgetmodels.i4u.com/gadget_photo_model_wii...




If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By PAPutzback on 4/8/08, Rating: -1
RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By Reclaimer77 on 4/8/2008 12:30:07 PM , Rating: 4
Its a game system. You people need to stop this insanity of saying everyone " needs " to incorporate Blu Ray drives into every single piece of electronics. You make it sound like there is a huge demand for it, and there just is not. Its a game system, get it through your head.


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By RjBass on 4/8/08, Rating: 0
RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By Reclaimer77 on 4/8/2008 12:50:15 PM , Rating: 4
" Less clutter " is not the driving force behind gaming consoles, I hate to tell you. Thats just what YOU want. You people need to stop saying MS and Nintendo etc etc " NEED " to implement some feature when its really just what you want them to do.

Besides that, I'm not even sure the Wii could output true Blu Ray res and uncompressed audio if it wanted to. Did you even think about that before making your " needs " list ?

The 360 does not need Blu-Ray. And if you stepped outside of your fantasy planet for a few minutes, you would notice that gamers are not ASKING for it, and its sales have not been diminished from not offering it.

This is about a controller last time I checked anyway. Why do you fanboi's have to drag Blu Ray into every discussion? As if one even affects the other one bit in MS's business model ! Get a clue.


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By ercinkc on 4/8/2008 12:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
Ok umm.. Wii is number 1, there is no doubt about that.. and lets see.. they got there without even having dvd playback..

Um.. so lets go to the extreme and go for blue ray, so that nintendo can do the dumb and loose money on every console and um.. it will be the same price as sony.. umm.. no.. no one has demanded dvd playback or blue ray playback.. and .. it's still sold out at every store i walk in. hmm... not a good idea.. i'm all for dvd playback, but would still use my main 30$ dvd player instead of adding wear and tear to my 250$ wii..

-E


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By Reclaimer77 on 4/8/2008 1:21:50 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Ok umm.. Wii is number 1, there is no doubt about that.. and lets see.. they got there without even having dvd playback..


But... but.. IT NEEDZ TEH BLU RAYZZZ !!!111!! I have clutter !!!

quote:
Um.. so lets go to the extreme and go for blue ray, so that nintendo can do the dumb and loose money on every console and um.. it will be the same price as sony.. umm.. no.. no one has demanded dvd playback or blue ray playback.. and .. it's still sold out at every store i walk in. hmm... not a good idea.. i'm all for dvd playback, but would still use my main 30$ dvd player instead of adding wear and tear to my 250$ wii..


I'm pretty much 100% sure the Wii could NOT output Blu-Ray and full audio even if it wanted to. So your right. What these dope smokers are talking about would mean a complete retooling of the Wii to the point that it wouldn't even be a Wii anymore. But a 400$ + bastardized game console. But hey, forget the fact that the Wii is number one because of its cheap+fun=sales. We need Blu-Ray !!

Speaking of DVD's and controllers. How stupid was it to market the PS3 as an A/V component first and a game console second, when the damn thing doesn't even support IR ?? If you guys are so worried about clutter, why can't we use our nice and expensive third party programmable remotes instead of a game controller for watching movies ?


By StevoLincolnite on 4/8/2008 2:01:21 PM , Rating: 2
You're correct the Wii does lack the processing horsepower to output high definition video streams, but who says they can't add a blue ray drive, and then add a hardware decoder? They used to day that, back in the Pentium 2 days, before that task then was handle by the Graphics card, where the Pentium 2 was not powerful enough to output upscaled DVD's.

Personally, I like it all the way it is, each system has something going for it.

Wii: Price, controller.
Xbox: Games and Xbox Live.
Playstation 3: Blueray.
PC: Everything else.

And on the external Addon topic... I liked it being external, why? It's not limited to the console, I can use it on my PC then, instead of wasting money on buying another drive. (It's a laptop, so the drive has to be external).


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By omnicronx on 4/8/2008 5:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're correct the Wii does lack the processing horsepower to output high definition video streams, but who says they can't add a blue ray drive, and then add a hardware decoder? They used to day that, back in the Pentium 2 days, before that task then was handle by the Graphics card, where the Pentium 2 was not powerful enough to output upscaled DVD's.
So what do you propose? BD2.0 spec now requires 2 decoders just for the video. You also require an audio decoder for pcm, tru-hd, and dts-ma if you chose to implement it. Because of the fact the wii has little to no processing power at all, none of these can be offloaded to the cpu, like what is done with the PS3. To tell you the truth. I don't even think the 360 could implement an internal BD drive and be cost effective at the same time.

Essentially what I am saying here, is you would probably be forced to have the components of a BD standalone player in the wii. That in itself will put the price of producing a wii at 2-3 fold what it is now, and that just does not make good business sense. Especially when you are currently whiping the floor with the other consoles out there.


By StevoLincolnite on 4/9/2008 12:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
You must have missed when I stated
quote:
Personally, I like everything the way it is

Basically what I was doing was proving a point that it is possible, without a huge upgrade to the current processor and memory.


By solidst8 on 4/8/2008 3:31:21 PM , Rating: 2
What it really needs a petawatt laser!


By RubberJohnny on 4/8/2008 8:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What these dope smokers are talking about would mean a complete retooling of the Wii...

If you go back and read the OP you'd find he never mentioned adding blue ray to the wii...it was the 360 he was talking bout.

I think you need retooling dope smoker!


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By Strunf on 4/8/2008 2:00:09 PM , Rating: 1
Dude but isn't him and others that pay the bill... he has what Nintendo and MS wants (money) so it's all natural that if they want it they should do what he wants.

And shut up with your business model like if it was something more than doing what ever it takes to get our money... MS didn't release its Blu-ray drive cause that would be admitting defeat, everyone knows they lost but one thing is to lose another is to admit, when things calm down they will release it like if they had never been part of war or lost it.


RE: If they don't have Blu-ray by christmas
By Reclaimer77 on 4/8/2008 9:31:38 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Dude but isn't him and others that pay the bill... he has what Nintendo and MS wants (money) so it's all natural that if they want it they should do what he wants.


Ok it looks like you have a very basic idea of how capitalism works. Good. Yes, generally, if enough people want something then someone will try to provide it.

quote:
And shut up with your business model like if it was something more than doing what ever it takes to get our money... MS didn't release its Blu-ray drive cause that would be admitting defeat, everyone knows they lost but one thing is to lose another is to admit, when things calm down they will release it like if they had never been part of war or lost it.


If by " whatever it takes to get our money " you mean provide products and services that people will pay for, then yes. Again, where is the big demand for the Blu-Ray drives in game consoles OTHER than the PS3 ? There is none.

MS wasn't a huge supporter of HD DVD, so I don't know where your coming off. MS didn't thrown in anywhere NEAR as much money as Sony did in backing it. If MS had wanted to, the format fight would still be on today. I find your idea of them refusing to support Blu-Ray as some type of childish grudge because they were " defeated " to be ignorant and laughable. Maybe thats how YOU would handle things, but its not how they do things.


By Strunf on 4/9/2008 1:48:08 PM , Rating: 2
"if enough people want something then someone will try to provide it."
Then why do you smack him for claiming loud and clear that he wants something...

"where is the big demand for the Blu-Ray drives in game consoles OTHER than the PS3 ? There is none."
There's was none for an HD-DVD drive add on and yet... actually I could go as far as to say there's a bigger demand for a Blu-ray add on today than there was for an HD-DVD one when they made it.

MS wasn't a big supporter of HD-DVD ? then it was what a minor player?... MS is never a minor player, does VC-1 ring you a bell or HDi for that matter?... VC-1 made it to both formats HDi... didn't.
You're right MS didn't invest nearly as much as SONY but at least SONY will get benefits out of it... regardless of how much you bet loosing is always bad.

"but its not how they do things."
Dude a company is made of people, and people have pride...


By artemicion on 4/8/2008 3:03:20 PM , Rating: 2
Things that would also reduce clutter in my home theater setup:
- If the XBox was built into my TV, then there would be no wires between my XBox and TV
- If my PS3/Wii were built into my XBox-TV, then there would be no wires between my PS3/Wii and the TV, and there would be less clutter because I'd have one set of controllers for all three systems
- If my speaker system were integrated into my Xbox/PS3/Wii-TV, then there would be no wires between my game system and my sound system
- If my Bose-Xbox/PS3/Wii-TV were integrated into my house, then all the wires would run through the walls, so you couldn't even see them
- If my Bose-Xbox/Ps3/Wii-TV House had a built in washing machine/dryer, then I wouldn't have the clutter of stand-alone washer/dryer
- If my Bose-Xbox/PS3/Wii-TV House-with-built-in-washer/dryer had a built in slot to recharge my electric toothbrush, then I wouldn't have the extra wire clutter from my current toothbrush charger
- If my Colgate/Bose-Xbox/PS3/Wii-TV House-with-built-in-washer/dryer had a built in PC, then I wouldn't have the clutter of my current wireless desktop

The non-existence of the Colgate/Bose-Xbox/PS3/Wii-TV HTPC-House-with-built-in-washer/dryer goes to show that while less clutter certainly is desirable, it's not necessarily marketable.


By omnicronx on 4/8/2008 4:47:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its a game system. You people need to stop this insanity of saying everyone " needs " to incorporate Blu Ray drives into every single piece of electronics. You make it sound like there is a huge demand for it, and there just is not. Its a game system, get it through your head.

No! obviously it needs a BD drive! I mean the best selling console in the world right has one... oh wait.. no it doesnt..

...I agree with you 100%. For those that disagree I think you need to get your head of out the sand. Only a glance at monthly Wii sales proves this point.


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