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If asking nicely doesn't work, Nokia will likely try to force HTC into it with a ban on Android-powered HTC phones in the U.S.

Microsoft is looking to spread Windows Phone's love to hardware other than Nokia, and HTC is on its radar. 

According to Bloomberg, Microsoft’s operating systems unit head Terry Myerson approached HTC about using the Windows Phone OS as an alternative option on handsets that traditionally use Google's Android. Microsoft is even considering cutting or terminating the license fee for the OS for this arrangement. 

The two companies haven't yet reached a deal concerning this proposal. HTC hasn't released a handset featuring the Windows Phone OS since June of this year, and it doesn't seem to have any on the burner for future releases. 


Microsoft is clearly on a mission to partner up with more hardware makers despite its recent $7.2 billion purchase of Nokia's devices and services unit. However, the company might want to be a little more selective about who it chooses since HTC hasn't been in a great financial position lately.

HTC reported a third-quarter net loss of NT$2.97 billion ($101 million USD), which represents the company’s first loss "on a consolidated basis" since 2008. HTC even tried an executive shakeup in July amid a stock slump and a poor quarterly outlook.

Interestingly, it was reported just days ago that Nokia is looking to ban all Android-powered HTC smartphones from the U.S. This looks like an attempt to either score licensing fees, or force HTC into using Windows Phone OS instead of asking nicely for it. 

Nokia alleges that Qualcomm's radio circuitry inside the Snapdragon 600 and other smartphone components violate dozens of patents owned by Nokia.  But rather than sue Qualcomm, Nokia has decided to selectively target phonemakers that use these chips.

Source: Bloomberg



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Ban only Android phones??
By othercents on 10/4/2013 12:16:43 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Nokia alleges that Qualcomm's radio circuitry inside the Snapdragon 600 and other smartphone components violate dozens of patents owned by Nokia.


If HTC has Snapdragon 600s in their Windows Phones then why wouldn't Nokia sue for both Windows and Android phones? The OS isn't providing the radio circuitry, so any licensing Microsoft has with Nokia wouldn't cover the circuitry in any HTC phone including the Windows ones. By omitting the Windows Phone then they are saying HTC is covered for their windows phone hardware, but not the Android hardware. This would be a significant discrepancy.

Other




RE: Ban only Android phones??
By EasyC on 10/4/2013 12:23:30 PM , Rating: 3
Because 1) Android is in the smartphone race lead and 2) Nokia is partnered with MS and they probably wouldn't be too happy about losing some of their product on the shelves.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By othercents on 10/4/2013 12:26:08 PM , Rating: 3
Yes we know technically why... But legally can that logic stand up in court or can HTC turn it around against Nokia.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By acer905 on 10/4/2013 12:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
Technically it can. Patents give the holder the right to exclude others from using the patent, but they don't have to exclude everyone. You can enter an agreement to let someone use it with, or without fees.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By othercents on 10/4/2013 12:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
So Nokia is allowing HTC to use the patent conditionally? Or is HTC covered by some license agreement HTC has with Microsoft and Windows Phone? If they are covered with a license agreement with Microsoft then should they also be covered by the Android license agreement that HTC also has with Microsoft?

Hardware licensing should be licensed by the vendor of the product. The vendor is Qualcomm and Qualcomm is breaking the patent by selling a chip with this technology to HTC regardless how HTC uses the product.

Other


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/4/2013 2:32:12 PM , Rating: 2
This kind of move could very well turn around and bite Microsoft/Nokia in the ass.

HTC could very quickly hit them with FRAND violations. You see, there are other, much bigger smartphone makers out there using Qualcomm SoCs and MS/Nokia is nto attempting to take them on. In order to avoid frand issues, Microsoft would have to take on Qualcomm and THAT could get very, very messy for Nokia (the very reason they are trying to go after Qualcomm's customers).


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By AnObserver4284 on 10/4/2013 2:49:23 PM , Rating: 3
Except those patents are not Standard Essential Patents so Nokia has no obligation to license them on a FRAND basis.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Belegost on 10/5/2013 10:25:41 AM , Rating: 3
You would be wrong in most cases. Standards essential patents would describe the signal you need to receive, but as there are generally many ways to implement a receiver the actual RF circuitry can be proprietary. I've looked at two of the patents, and those don't describe essential material.

Second, I mentioned this in the other ridiculous MS/Nokia bashing "article" - the likely case is that Nokia has a limited license with Qualcomm that allows them to use the patents in their chips, but does not allow them to transfer the license to their customers. This is done so that Qualcomm doesn't pay the license fee per unit, and take the risk of unused stock. Qualcomm's contracts with their customers would then state that each customer is responsible for having licensing agreements for the patents used. This is not an uncommon B2B sort of contract, and makes sense given that Nokia uses Qualcomm as their modem supplier.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By rsmech on 10/4/2013 9:35:00 PM , Rating: 3
Were do you get Microsoft would have to take on Qualcomm. Microsoft didn't buy Nokia hardware patents they bought phone division and have a 10 year agreement on hardware patents. They are still Nokia's to license or sue whomever they choose. But I assume this point is irrelevant to your mindset.

Read DT's own story about the purchase. Maybe the author should to, in fact he probably wrote both stories.

Sometimes I wonder if the way Apple, Android, or MS stories are written is for their own amusement so they can read these post and laugh at everyone that's baited by it. Now DT's own authors are trolling.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By rsmech on 10/4/2013 9:37:24 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Jason didn't write this one just the one just the previous ones. This is just tag team for laughs.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Da W on 10/4/2013 3:07:54 PM , Rating: 3
I don't care.
Bring me a dual boot with WinPhone on my HTC One and i'll be happy! Winphone for daily use and android when i need an app that's not on WP.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By JPForums on 10/4/2013 12:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
Just curious, which product are you referring to now that the Devices division is MS owned?


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By althaz on 10/4/2013 8:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
It's not really MS Owned yet. They've bought it, but they haven't taken delivery.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By rsmech on 10/7/2013 8:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
1) Why not Apple or Samsung if it has to do with taking out leaders. Could it be they are both using in house designs? Couldn't be.

2) if MS is worried about losing products on the shelf why did they let Nokia try and sue HTC earlier for the HTC 8X when it was part of Windows phone launch and prominently displayed on MS websites? Pick and choose until your conspiracy is complete.

3) It probably has nothing to do with the fact HTC was earlier partnered with MS and they are trying again, or should they just let phone mfg. Come to them?

I apologize I couldn't build upon your conspiracy.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By dgingerich on 10/4/2013 12:25:12 PM , Rating: 1
That could definitely be considered anti-competitive behavior from Microsoft. The anti-trust people could bear their fangs on MS again with this. It's not exactly a smart move on MS's part.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By troysavary on 10/4/2013 12:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
How would offering free WinPhone as an alternative to free Android be anti-competitive?


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By retrospooty on 10/4/2013 12:52:23 PM , Rating: 1
"That could definitely be considered anti-competitive behavior from Microsoft. The anti-trust people could bear their fangs on MS again with this. It's not exactly a smart move on MS's part."

Asking an OEM to put it in as a dual boot system isnt the same as forcing it on OEM's. MS isn't in a position for force anything.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By dgingerich on 10/4/2013 1:03:35 PM , Rating: 1
Hey, I didn't say I agreed with it. I'm saying MS, by suing a company only for their Android phones violating a patent and avoiding Windows Phone based phones, are doing something that looks like actively discouraging a competitor's OS. It could be argued that it is anti-competitive behavior, which has gotten them in hot water with certain government types before. This could end up costing them. Provoking those certain government people isn't exactly a smart business move.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By troysavary on 10/4/2013 1:08:20 PM , Rating: 3
Your post is so full of wrong I don't know where to start. MS isn't suing anybody here, Nokia is. Nokia is not owned by MS. MS bought Nokia's handset division, not the company itself. The handset division that is no longer part of Nokia is not making the suit. The old Nokia, which the patents still belong to, is.

Also, Nokia is not suing based on Android, they are suing based on Qualcomm chips. There is no evidence whatsoever, except in the heads of MS haters, that this has anything to do with WinPhone or Android.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By retrospooty on 10/4/2013 4:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see it as a smart move no matter what. It just looks desperate. I would love to have a dual boot phone like that, as long as it had enough memory to handle both without me being penalized... But I dont think many people outside of tech circles would care.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/4/2013 5:28:50 PM , Rating: 2
I would love to see a dual-booting smartphone as well.

I even have some idea on how it would work.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By retrospooty on 10/4/2013 5:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
I still have an old HP touchpad dual booting between WebOS and Cyanogenmod... 3 years later still a decent tablet, although the res is low... great for my daughter though.

Anyhow, it works just like any dual boot system. When you boot up, you make a choice which one to go to, CM10.1, WebOS, bootloader or recovery.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By retrospooty on 10/4/2013 5:43:57 PM , Rating: 2
doh... 2 yrs.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By JPForums on 10/4/2013 12:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If HTC has Snapdragon 600s in their Windows Phones then why wouldn't Nokia sue for both Windows and Android phones?
I don't know of any Snapdragon 600 based Windows Phones in HTC's lineup, so there isn't really any grounds for comparison. It is hard to say whether Nokia would include Windows Phones in the litigation or not, if HTC had any with the devices in question. Most likely they would. After all, Microsoft themselves had to pay licensing fees, so why would they let HTC off the hook for a Windows Phone. Of course Microsoft could have arranged for licensing coverage on all Windows Phones and not just their own.

My guess is that Microsoft is simply taking the opportunity that presented itself. What better time to try to convince a manufacturer to switch than when they are struggling financially and all escape routes have been cut off.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By troysavary on 10/4/2013 12:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
Just more spin by DT. There was nothing elsewhere stating that Nokia is only targeting Android phones, but phones that use Qualcomm's chips. Everything I have been able to find elsewhere has Nokia listing HTC's WinPhones as violating patents as well. They also went after HTC last year for design infringement on HTCs WinPhones. Over the past year, Nokia has sued RIM and Viewsonic as well over patent infringement. I suppose that is to force RIM and Viewsonic off of Android as well? All this points to a struggling company trying to make some money from its large patent portfolio. Only DT seems to think it is some plot by MS.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Jeffk464 on 10/4/2013 12:46:00 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense at this point. MS can become like apple and make money of both the hardware and the software. With Nokia it doesn't seem like they need other companies to jump on board, they just need people to start using windows phones.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2013 2:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only DT seems to think it is some plot by MS.


Well that's patently false. DT isn't the only place who thinks that. And there is MORE than enough proof that Nokia and Microsoft are in collusion here against other OEM's.

In fact their deal was specifically designed that way. As I posted below.

Even if you can explain that away or dismiss it as speculation, fine okay, but how can you possibly explain why Nokia and Microsoft would transfer thousands of patents to a private firm, MOSAID Technologies, who is a known patent troll?


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By rsmech on 10/4/2013 10:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
It's another conspiracy. Your just the man I've been looking for, maybe you could tell me how the US government was behind 9/11.


By YearOfTheDingo on 10/4/2013 2:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
It's true that only Android phones are listed in the suit. On the other hand, it does say "including but not limited to".


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Varun on 10/4/2013 12:36:53 PM , Rating: 2
It's sure amazing how "news" sites like this have "reporters" who don't even try to get an entire story, and just add some editorial to it.

Nokia's hardware division was purchased by Microsoft.

Nokia still owns all of its patents.

Microsoft does not own these patents.

Nokia could care less who is using Snapdragon 600 and what they are running on it - they just want compensation for their research.

Please please please stop spouting this obvious nonsense it really makes Dailytech look terrible.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By JPForums on 10/4/2013 12:49:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nokia could care less who is using Snapdragon 600 and what they are running on it - they just want compensation for their research.

Agreed.
It is hard to make a case for Nokia giving special treatment to Windows Phones when Microsoft themselves had to license the IP for their brand new phone division.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Varun on 10/4/2013 1:52:08 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly! And they paid a lot of money for that - and it's only a 10 year deal.

There's no free lunch here people.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2013 2:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
Umm most of your post is wrong actually. My post below explains what's really happening.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Varun on 10/4/2013 3:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
My post is wrong and you conclude that with your post with made up pixie dust.

This friggin lawsuit was filed years ago.

I hate patent trolls. We all do. But real patents are important because companies like Nokia and Qualcomm spend A LOT of money on R&D. These are not patent trolls

You know what let's also throw in the whole Elop Trojan horse thing. Somehow Microsoft got Elop hired by the board of directors of a completely different company owned by different shareholders. That new CEO then changed the entire direction of the company under the radar so the board wouldn't know (except that it was all public). The entire goal was to make the stock low enough to facilitate a buyout by Microsoft. As long as we all ignore facts I guess we can conclude whatever we'd like.

My conclusion is that rain clouds are in fact NOT made of water vapor but actually raspberry swirl ice cream.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2013 4:01:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not talking about this lawsuit, but their now strategy.

And made up pixie dust? Exactly how many sources do I need to link before this sinks in!? YOU are ignoring the facts.

Wtf aren't we all sick of this sort of thing yet!? I guess when Apple does it we, rightly, bash them. When Microsoft and Nokia does it, oh well, that's okay?


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Varun on 10/4/2013 4:25:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not ignoring any facts, but you are confusing facts with speculation.

Here are the facts:
1. Microsoft bought the Nokia handset division
2. Microsoft PAID to license their technology
3. Nokia sued HTC over patents 18 months ago, and HTC lost
4. Dailytech is a terrible news site

Everything else is just speculation, and most of the speculation, if looked at critically, doesn't hold water.

Are we sick of this? No. I'm sick of bogus patents like rounded squares, but hardware patents are real innovation.

Let's not confuse software patents with hardware patents.


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Chadder007 on 10/4/2013 12:49:29 PM , Rating: 3
Shouldn't they be suing Qualcomm then?


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2013 2:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft and Nokia are colluding to hammer competitors to Windows Phone. There can be little doubt now.

I brought this up yesterday and got flamed down, but Nokia and Microsoft transferred thousands of patents to the private patent troll firm MOSAID Technologies. Who's entire business plan is flat out patent trolling, in this case on behalf of Nokia.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intel...

In this respect Nokia is now, for all intents and purposes, a patent troll. Who publicly maintains an air of innocence, while privately colluding with Microsoft to patent troll competitors via a private third party.

Also this article puts the full scope of Nokia's and Microsoft's agenda quite succinctly. It's downright diabolical what they're trying to do.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/nokia-c...

"Microsoft paid billions for a license to Nokia's patents, but the company has made explicit that Nokia still owns the patents. The genius of this move is that it allows Microsoft to double down on its patent war with Android. Microsoft boasts that the majority of Android phones sold worldwide have already paid for a license to Microsoft patents. By 2011, patent licensing revenue exceeded Microsoft's revenue from Windows Phone.

Now, Nokia can go after Android phone makers for royalties—even ones that have already paid Microsoft."


RE: Ban only Android phones??
By CaedenV on 10/4/2013 4:10:23 PM , Rating: 2
My understanding (and I could be wrong here) is that they already came to an agreement on current HTC phones (specifically the mic array on the HTC One), and that this would bar the use on future devices.

The reason why it may not matter on a WP platform (and again... total speculation) is that Nokia has done a lot of the groundwork for WP, and there may be licence deals that allow the tech on all WP devices, but it would not extend to Android devices as they do not have the licence for the tech.

When all else fails, the reasoning goes that MS own's Nokia's soul and probably asked them not to do anything that would hurt the distribution of WP devices by any manufacturer to help grow the platform as a whole.


WTF?
By amanojaku on 10/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: WTF?
By amanojaku on 10/4/2013 4:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
Since I got rated down and no one replied, I guess people either didn't understand me, or my post was stupid. Let me try this another way...

It doesn't cost MS anything to get HTC to run Windows Phone. So why should MS be "a little more selective" choosing HTC as a Windows Phone vendor? Here's a list of smartphone manufacturers who sell globally:

Apple - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
BlackBerry - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
Google - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
HTC - Best chance of running Windows Phone
Huawei - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
LG - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
Motorola - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
Nokia/MS - Already running Windows Phone
Samsung - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
Sony - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
ZTE - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone

Of the 11 listed, only six are opportunities.

Of those six, Samsung has the largest market share, but Samsung is known for its love of interface customization (TouchWiz). This will likely not work for Windows Phone because of Metro. Forcing Samsung to use stock Windows Phone will be a challenge due to its dominant position and success using Android.

ZTE, LG, Huawei, and Sony aren't even blips in market share, with less than 4% each. The majority of their sales are low-cost phones, which means very little opportunity for app purchases, because buyers of low-cost phones don't buy apps. The whole point to developing a mobile OS is to sell apps, of which MS gets 20%-30%.

Some of them aren't even sold through major carriers, which means paying full price. If you're going to buy a ZTE or Huawei for $400 or more, you'll decide on an Apple or Samsung for $200 with a contract. Maybe even an out-of-contract Google Nexus for $300.

Which leaves HTC, a company with equally low market share, but three major advantages: sales through major carriers, high-cost phones, and a history of running Windows Mobile and Windows Phone. To me, it's a no-brainer why MS approached HTC, even if MS threatened HTC.


RE: WTF?
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/4/2013 4:54:10 PM , Rating: 2
Google themselves, don't make phones.


RE: WTF?
By amanojaku on 10/4/2013 5:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter. It's still branded "Google", which means it runs Android, and always will. Google doesn't make Motorola devices, either, but Motorola will tell you that Google calls the shots.
quote:
“Our mandate from Google, from Larry, is really to innovate and take long-term bets,” Ron said. “When you have that sort of mentality, it’s about quality and not quantity.”
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/01/the-new-motorola-...

The point I'm trying to make is that if MS wants to expand Windows Phone market share, HTC is it's best option at the moment. That's why I objected to Tiffany's "analysis".


RE: WTF?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/4/2013 6:19:49 PM , Rating: 2
Regarding this:

quote:
Apple - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
BlackBerry - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
Google - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
HTC - Best chance of running Windows Phone
Huawei - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
LG - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
Motorola - No chance in hell of running Windows Phone
Nokia/MS - Already running Windows Phone
Samsung - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
Sony - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone
ZTE - Virtually no chance of running Windows Phone


Samsung Ativ S (WP 8)
http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile/mobile-p...
Huawei Ascend W1 (WP 8)
http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/productFeatu...
LG Quantum C900 (WP 7)
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-C900-quantum
HTC Windows Phone 8X (aka HTC Zenith) - WP8
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-wp-8x
ZTE ZTE Tania (WP7.5)
http://www.ztedevices.co.uk/overview-zte-tania.htm...

Apple, Blackberry and Google's positions are a given.

Motorola and Sony both had Windows Phones in their plan. For Motorola, I assume its acquisition by Google put the kibosh on any WP 8 plans it had as well as dropped their WP 7 phone from their offerings.

For Sony - They had a prototype Windows Phone flying around the webiverse but it seems they have dropped that idea afte with the Microsoft/Nokia hardware merger.


RE: WTF?
By amanojaku on 10/4/2013 9:18:00 PM , Rating: 2
I did say VIRTUALLY. These companies aren't gung ho about Windows Phone.

There are two HTC Windows phones out of 19, one of which is only available in Canada.

The Huawei Windows Phone is only one phone of 31 models.

The LG phone is discontinued, and LG currently has no Windows phones.

There are two Samsung Windows phones out of 75 models.

The ZTE phone seems to be available only in the UK, France and China (and possibly some countries in Africa), and is running 7.5. It will probably be discontinued, if it hasn't been already, leaving ZTE with no Windows Phone.

And many of these phones are low end in comparison to the companies' Android offerings. Some of these phones can't run certain Windows Phone apps due to 512MB of RAM. Not a huge issue, but still an issue, especially since it doesn't seem to affect the Android and iOS versions.


RE: WTF?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/5/2013 6:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
So what exactly is ths "Virtually" supposed to mean? Either they have a windows phone or they don't. Are you trying to say the Windows Phones on these vendor's sites are virtual & don't really exist?

The phone makers I flagged are not planning to have Windows phones. They already have at least one, non-virtual Windows Phone on the market *now*. Nobody qualified these phone maker's products have to be the latest & greatest that each offers, virtually, in the U.S. market or otherwise.

I do agree with you that all of these vendors primarily make Android phones as their bread -n- butter devices. Nobody said otherwise and you get no argument from me there.

I argue only the point that these phone makers have not only planned to make a Windows Phone, but have actually brought one to market. Whether that toe stays true in the future depends on each of them. Neither you or I have executive information on their marketing plans to predict what any of them will do and my crystal ball has a big crack down the middle of it.

I do doubt that they would turn away from a free, open source Android in favor of a commercial, proprietary and 'pay me licensed' Windows Phone operating system. It is just not economical for them to do so unless Microsoft is going to offer them free perpetual licenses (doubtful).


RE: WTF?
By amanojaku on 10/6/2013 5:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
This has got to be the most comical thread DT has seen in a while. We just go back and forth over nothing.

Virtually, adverb - for the most part; almost wholly; just about

Other than Nokia, the companies with the most Windows Phones are HTC and Samsung, with TWO models each. If you think two phones out of 75, or one out of 31, represents a commitment to Windows Phone, then you're being silly. That's what I mean by virtually no chance of running Windows phone. They aren't even trying.

If you were Microsoft, and you were told by phone manufactures that they have one Windows phone, would you be satisfied? I don't think so, especially when they have 20 or more Android phones each. Microsoft is not Apple; it doesn't have the luxury of competing with just one model. Google figured this out, which is why Android is free. Even Apple is realizing this, hence the 5S and 5C, as well as the 4.

If you look at American carriers, they barely even sell what's available. AT&T and T-Mobile only sell Nokia Windows phones. Sprint has two Windows phones, one each from HTC and Samsung. And Verizon has three Windows phones, one each from HTC, Nokia, and Samsung. Globally, the situation isn't much different. That's why I started this thread. HTC is Microsoft's best chance at building Windows phones outside of Nokia. And MS knows this, having purchased Nokia, then asking its longtime partner, HTC, to step up its efforts.

I'm done. I can't explain this any better than I already have, and no one else seems to care.


RE: WTF?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 8:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
Well, you did start this line bro, and what fun is this if there is no back & forth ;)

But its all cool. I think we both agree that there are is a pretty strong doubt that any phone hardware maker not owned by Microsoft will be pursuing ongoing Windows Phone development plans. It's just not cost effective.

Cheers!


RE: WTF?
By Jeffk464 on 10/5/2013 1:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, basically they can use all the same hardware that they use in their android phones. Just stick a different case on it, load windows and you have a new model.


RE: WTF?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/6/2013 9:49:00 AM , Rating: 2
They don't even need to use a new case - Just make it a 'windows variant'.

But I definitely agree with the folks in this thread that Windows is not likely to become any manufacturer's OS of choice unless that company is owned by M$ themselves.

Reality is that hardware manufacturers have a hard time justifying paying a third party licensing fees for use in their mainstream bread & butter products. Non-micro$oft companies will do no more than implement Windows Phone on a very limited basis if at all.


RE: WTF?
By sprockkets on 10/6/2013 7:35:31 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Motorola and Sony both had Windows Phones in their plan. For Motorola, I assume its acquisition by Google put the kibosh on any WP 8 plans it had as well as dropped their WP 7 phone from their offerings.


Motorola dropped anything Microsoft years ago and went full Android after losing millions on the failed Windows Mobile and WM smartphone edition (non touch screen Moto Q).

In fact, they didn't renew their patent license to them either. Moto really, really hates MS. They even found prior art that could kill their FAT32 patent.

After Microsoft trying to ban Motorola phones, they got off with just being infringing on a lame old WM meeting patent, a pretty crappy software patent at that.

So, they don't pay MS a dime for their bogus patents. Guess which phone I'm getting next :)


RE: WTF?
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/7/2013 8:31:44 AM , Rating: 2
Nokia? iPhone?

j.k. I hear you.


HTC One with WP8 GDR3?
By CaedenV on 10/4/2013 4:12:45 PM , Rating: 3
I mean seriously, the HTC One is a beautiful high end device, and I would love to have one with WP8 on it. My understanding was that there was going to be a WP version some time after the release of GDR3 which would support the hardware in the device. Maybe those plans got canceled and that is why MS/Nokia are flexing their muscles to get HTC to submit.




desperate
By Argon18 on 10/4/13, Rating: 0
RE: desperate
By iamkyle on 10/5/2013 7:38:25 PM , Rating: 2
Say this about BlackBerry and you get voted to a 6.

DT commenters at their finest.


Dear HTC,
By inperfectdarkness on 10/8/2013 3:59:09 AM , Rating: 2
Dear HTC,

Please jump on a Windows OS phone deal with MS--with both feet. You've been dealt a near mortal-blow by Apple over BS patent litigation & you need a strong partner. Sure, android is the market leader--but MS has a lot of clout & a very, very strong patent library that can protect you.

We need you, HTC. You're that dark-horse smartphone MFG that both delivers the goods and keeps the big-guys in check. Please don't squander it like Palm or RIM. Play ball with MS. Strike out on your own when you heal up from the Apple bullying.

Sincerely,

-The entire smartphone consumer market




They should do it..
By KurgSmash on 10/4/13, Rating: -1
RE: They should do it..
By sprockkets on 10/4/2013 5:16:33 PM , Rating: 4
Perhaps you've never considered that Android isn't the problem - HTC is.

I mean, seriously, HTC was the first Android OEM. Samsung didn't just take over overnight, they just made a better device and $$$ marketed the heck out of it.


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