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2011 Mazda Miata
Mazda's tiny sports car to go on a massive diet

Nearly three years ago, Mazda announced intentions to reduce its fleet wide fuel consumption by 30 percent before the year 2015. The reduction in fuel consumption for its models would mostly come from a reduction in weight for its next generation models and reduced dimensions of its vehicles (with a few rare exceptions, when a next generation of a vehicle is introduced, it is often larger and heavier than the model it replaces).

Mazda is looking to remove an extraordinary amount of weight from the next generation MX-5 (better known as the Miata in North America). The NC (third generation) Miata isn't exactly a pig, as it weighs 2,480 pounds with a 5-speed manual and 2,511 pounds with a 6-speed manual. However, this is over 300 pounds heavier than the NA (first generation) Miata which tipped the scales at 2,116 pounds.

According to The Car Connection, Mazda's current goal for the next generation Miata is to cut weight by 720 pounds. That would put a base Miata at just under 1,800 pounds -- an almost unheard low for North American market vehicles.

For comparison, the aluminum-intensive Lotus Elise tips the scales at 2,010 pounds. The diminutive shoe smart fortwo weighs 1,808 pounds.

Mazda is also looking to make the next generation Miata narrower and will throw out unnecessary features to reach its weight goals. In addition, the company wants to downsize the engine from its current normally aspirated 2.0-liter engine to a turbocharged 1.4-liter engine. 

The low weight and downsized engine should do wonders for the Miata's handling and performance; not to mention its fuel economy. The current Miata is rated at 22 mpg in the city and 28 mpg on the highway. Although the Miata is considered a sports car, those numbers are still rather mediocre for a vehicle that weighs 2,480 and has "only" 167hp on tap. 

Mazda, like all other auto manufacturers, is on a mission to increase fuel economy across the board thanks to upcoming CAFE regulations.

Source: The Car Connection

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Finally move in the right direction
By rvd2008 on 6/8/2011 2:53:59 PM , Rating: 3
With technological advances in past decades I wonder:
WTF 2500 pounds Miata?

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By Pessimism on 6/8/2011 3:00:00 PM , Rating: 4
This needs to expand to every car made by every automaker. With the materials we have available today there is no sane reason for a Cobalt or Cruze to weigh over THREE THOUSAND POUNDS.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By amanojaku on 6/8/2011 3:27:57 PM , Rating: 5
there is no sane reason for a Cobalt or Cruze to weigh over THREE THOUSAND POUNDS.
Structural integrity, to support fat riders. :-)

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By Pessimism on 6/8/2011 3:41:19 PM , Rating: 4
I tried to come up with a counterargument... but failed.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By MrBlastman on 6/8/2011 3:50:39 PM , Rating: 3
If you try to counterlever fat people and fail, well, you might just end up squished.

Mmm... pizza... nom nom nom.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By Souka on 6/9/2011 6:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
My old Suabru Forrester (AWD) has a 2.5L 165HP's EPA is 17-27mpg I believe..

I typically get around 20 with mostly city driving/comuting and 24-25 on road trips.

Really sad the MPG on the miata...and my subaru never tried to be fuel effienct... all-wheel drive...automatic....boxy as hell....

I guess the weight of my subaru gives the miata the better city mpg...

By Souka on 6/9/2011 6:12:52 PM , Rating: 2
Oh forgot... my Subaru is around 3300lbs

By Manch on 6/8/2011 3:48:11 PM , Rating: 1
I can see it now. Mazda lightens up the car and some big ol b!tch sues them because she broke the frame during her emergency run to McDonalds!

By jjmcubed on 6/8/2011 6:53:51 PM , Rating: 3
USA!! The only nation that makes car companies comply with crash worthiness for the UNbelted persons.

By Dr of crap on 6/13/2011 12:35:54 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe there needs to be a model for those under 200 and those over 200 lbs!!!

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 3:44:32 PM , Rating: 2
As much as GM is being drained by union contracts and pension plans do you really think they can afford any modern materials in their vehicles?

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By ddh on 6/8/2011 6:06:45 PM , Rating: 5
As much as GM is being drained by union contracts and pension plans do you really think they can afford any modern materials in their vehicles?

Lets see as a Taxpayer i just donated billions of dollars to GM and by the time the treasury department sells the rest of the shares which it paid way over market cap for it will be another multi-billion dollar free gift to GM. You are kidding me right? Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit

GM can't afford Not to innovate, they are being walked on by the fellow Dearborn citizens at Ford and everyone else in the business. There are no Excuses for GM and certainly no excuses for their idiotic Chairman who feels we the american public should be taxed further so we can donate more money towards his personal funds and bonus Structure. GM and the Unions need to figure out that assembling auto's is not sustainable at an employee wage of 60 to 70 dollars per hour. Chrysler is in a similar state and does not deserve our support either anymore. At least their management team is intelligent enough not to make such foolish statements to the press.

I could go on but typing this is bad for my blood pressure.

By MonkeyPaw on 6/8/2011 10:58:33 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry, but I've given up waiting for US quality to come up. Its been the promise for decades now, and I just can't get excited about it. When I subscribed to 3 car magazines a month, GM launched the Buick Riviera and Oldsmobile Aurora. Both were to match the luxury mark. They were both ugly, and didn't live up. How many times has the Malibu been "the car you knew America could build"? The cobalt was to catch GM up on quality, and now its the Cruize. Chrysler/Dodge is even sadder, and now they sell thier cars as though Detroit has some how "gotten it." They've restructured so many times, how can they possibly be run well? I don't have as much issue with Ford, but I've driven 3 new fords at work, and they all start out great, but then the belt starts slipping, and the AC can't keep up. My 2008 KIA does a better job in the US climate than the Fords I've driven.

Its the same story, but its not that Americans can't build good cars, as Honda's, Toyota's, Hyundai's and more are made here, but not by American car companies. I think the fincial issues were one sign, but the labor issues have to be a big deal. I work at a business that uses union employees, and darn few actually care about making their own company successful--they just strive to do no more and no less than what keeps them out of trouble.

Ill get rated down, but so be it.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By vtohthree on 6/8/2011 7:16:32 PM , Rating: 1
They aren't being drained by unions and pension plans anymore. In fact I'd say that was never the real problem. The first time GM got hit by lower sales, due to more fuel efficient imports that had better/snappier turn radius, etc. They spend millions building new factories in Mexico to build the same crap cars.... what they should've done was spent money on research and development.

They beat a dead horse for too long and cried like a baby not wanting to change anything and just rebrand cars over and over(remember the insanity back in the 90's and early 2000's when GM rebadged vehicles endlessly? ie: tahoe, escalade, H2, GMC Denali, etc.), build heavier, less efficient cars until reality hit them 30 years later and they had to get bailed out by our tax dollars to be motivated enough to start innovating gain.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 11:27:49 PM , Rating: 2
Ironic that the millions of "buy American" morons that would go out and buy GM/Ford/Chrysler vehicles no matter how terrible they were allowed GM to slide so far behind other companies in quality, then when those people start to die out GM is left behind the industry and without the same market.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By chick0n on 6/9/2011 12:02:41 AM , Rating: 2
That won't happen.

cuz the "buy american" group gonna have children, and these children will be "Brainwash" by their pathetic parents, who just keep telling them "Buy Americans, especially cars, they're great!"

even now, GM is still making garbage. Volt is EV? give me a f-king break, it's a god damn plug in hybrid. Did I say it's WAY over priced too? for the price of that piece of crap. I can get myself a really nice car that's in the 20K range. and use the rest of the money for gas for the life of the car. Probably get a few grand left for food too.

Chrysler didn't saved/invent anything, FIAT did. Chrysler cars still looks/build like complete crap. can't help it, FIAT won't be able to bring their "GOOD" cars over for maybe another year or 2.

Ford, they got lucky, the CEO saved their ass. but in the long term, they still gonna die. their quality is CRAP. not as bad as GM kind of crap. it's the best outa the "big 3", but when you compare to even Korean cars these days. Its still complete crap.

We will get another bailout again. These companies never learn. Oh wait, we can't get anymore bailouts ! we got no money! why? cuz we spend so much that the "money printing machine" can't even keep up.

By rudolphna on 6/9/2011 11:09:10 AM , Rating: 3
Also, you are forgetting that GM, Chrysler, and ford are ALL profitable. And when the economy is this terrible and profitable.... Well, think how well they'll do when the economy is GOOD. GM is turning over executives like nothing ever seen before. They don't have an old, stagnated management, they have new people, outsiders who are relatively young. Ford has Mulally, and Chrysler has Fiat, who just went through the same thing in Europe.

By Smartless on 6/8/2011 3:04:07 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah but technological advances can be heavy. You also have to figure that it has to be relatively cheap and meets safety standards. Like a Lotus is high end and probably has carbon-fiber all over it. And the Fortwo, I'd rather be in an accident in a Miata though they both look like golf carts.

I love the concept but much of what I love in my Mazda 6 is its stiff body frame. I hope they don't compromise the fun of a Miata. Another big gripe I have is the RX-8. They bragged about how the RX-8 engine is 90lbs lighter and is mounted for optimum balance BUT the damn thing weighs almost 3000lbs and negates almost all its own advantages.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By kjboughton on 6/8/11, Rating: -1
RE: Finally move in the right direction
By lennylim on 6/8/2011 3:25:16 PM , Rating: 2
It's somewhat similar to an arms race. We have to build heavier because the other vehicles are getting heavier.

By Manch on 6/8/2011 3:59:34 PM , Rating: 1

Yearly engine HP power increases would be similar to an arms race

By kjboughton on 6/9/2011 2:01:53 PM , Rating: 2
Don't believe me? Just ask The Insurance Institute for Highway know...the organization that collects and analyzes all this data at the national level:

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 3:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
When you increase vehicle mass, materials become less strong in proportion to the mass. The occupants of two small cars colliding are much safer than the occupants of two large SUVs colliding. The problem is you can't get everyone to stop driving large vehicles.

You can't really compare motorcycle accidents as unlike cars you aren't relying on the vehicle crumpling to slow you down, you tend to leave the vehicle rather quickly. 900 lb fully loaded Gold Wings are no safer in an accident than 280 lb TW200s (and probably a little less).

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By Taft12 on 6/8/2011 4:11:25 PM , Rating: 5
The problem is you can't get everyone to stop driving large vehicles.


By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 5:09:50 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that's one option. I still see plenty of H2s and Cayennes on the road at $4.50/gallon so my guess is there are plenty of people making enough that it doesn't hurt them that badly or they continue to drive them as a status symbol. "Look how much money I make, I can afford to drop $100-200/week on gas."

As a motorcyclist I wouldn't bitch too much about $9/gallon though, provided diesel wasn't so expensive that shipping goods was problematic or Burlington Northern Santa Fe decided to switch back to coal. IIRC they do have some patents on atomizing coal for use in reciprocating engines.

By Manch on 6/8/2011 9:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if your car is paid off no. While 9$ would double what i spend on gas, it will still be cheaper than a new car. I average 20mpg. cost me about 220$ a month. @ 9$ it would be about 495. I would need a car that makes 40mpg, and a car payment of 275 to break even.

By Solandri on 6/8/2011 4:34:32 PM , Rating: 5
When you increase vehicle mass, materials become less strong in proportion to the mass.

This is generally not a problem. Modern designs intend for the car's structure to absorb energy by failing in pre-calculated ways. The infamous crumple zones you hear about. The car's kinetic energy is thus directed into deforming and destroying the car's structure, rather than directed into splattering the weakest parts - the occupants.

The occupants of two small cars colliding are much safer than the occupants of two large SUVs colliding. The problem is you can't get everyone to stop driving large vehicles.

The occupants would experience the exact same thing in both crashes. All four occupants were traveling at (say) 60 mph, and ended up at 0 mph within the distance of the front fender to the passenger compartment. If anything, the SUVs are safer simply due to having a greater distance between the front fender and passenger compartment.

Where the disparity comes about is when the small car collides with the SUV. When that happens, due to a quirk in how momentum and kinetic energy are conserved, the small car actually bounces backwards. Its occupant thus experiences an even larger velocity change in the collision. Likewise, the SUV continues rolling forward instead of coming to a stop, subjecting its occupant to a smaller velocity change.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By Black1969ta on 6/8/2011 5:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
Except that the Goldwing can have anti-lock brakes to avoid the accident and an Airbag that has proven to protect the rider in the event of a frontal collision.
I disagree about the weight being a factor with motorcycles, whether a bike weighs 300lbs or 1500lbs makes do difference to a rider flying through the air or pinned under a sliding bike.

By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 11:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
Lighter bikes like the SV650SF are also available with ABS if that's your thing, and forgive me for being skeptical about the airbag. The Goldwing has a large frontal area that a rider would run into in an accident, smaller bikes you would go over the bars unimpeded. Personally I'd rather take my chances with a tumble than being stopped by an exploding bag in the dash but I always wear full leathers.

And I wouldn't say it makes no difference - I'd much rather be pinned under a 300 lb bike than a 1500 lb one.

RE: Finally move in the right direction
By BZDTemp on 6/8/2011 5:10:20 PM , Rating: 2
It's still only 500 pounds more than an Elise which is smaller and has no creature comforts at all.

BTW: With regards to performance the MX-5 may not win drag races but it is highly regarded for it's great handling - the thing is really a sports car and build like from the ground up. We are talking double wishbones all round, 50/50 weight distribution, hydraulic power steering since it brings better feel than electric and the gearbox is one of the nicest to use. Mega fun for few money and on top it's like any other Japanese car with regards to running maintenance.

By shiftypy on 6/9/2011 3:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
There is no way they make it lighter than Elise, no way

By Iaiken on 6/9/2011 2:32:37 PM , Rating: 2
Take a 2011 Mini JCW out for a spin and you'll see how quick/fun a small car can be. My JCW loves to go tri-point at the auto-X course and wave at the cute little Miatas and their crying owners with it's extra wheel.

Car and Driver Lightning Laps agree:

Cooper JCW - 3:17.1
MX-5 Miata - 3:29.3

Even the regular Cooper S slapped the MX-5 around with a lap time of 3:22.9.

Seriously, drive one.

By superstition on 6/9/2011 2:19:22 AM , Rating: 3
You want to see technological advance, look at the fuel efficient diesels available in the UK. Even a Passat gets better mileage there than small cars do here.

106 MPG and more, and not for sale in America

By SublimeSimplicity on 6/8/2011 3:00:11 PM , Rating: 2
I find it highly unlikely that they'd even break even (weight wise) going from a N/A 2.0L engine to a Turbo 1.4L.

The weight of the plumbing, intercooler, and turbo itself will likely outweigh (literally) the benefits of a slightly smaller engine block. Which given the same power outputs will need to be just as stout and require similar sized accessories (radiator, water pump, etc).

By NINaudio on 6/8/2011 3:02:54 PM , Rating: 3
They can probably squeeze better MPG out of a tc'ed 1.4 L than they can the current 2 liter.

By MrBlastman on 6/8/2011 3:09:38 PM , Rating: 2
While throwing turbo lag into the mix... Don't get me wrong, I like my turbo WRX and can drive it quite well competitively. However, my car is all wheel drive, whereas the Miata is not, it is rear-wheel drive.

Throwing a turbo into an already RWD car and then shrinking the displacement sets it up for less-than-impressive launches off the line as you can't slip the clutch from high rpms and expect the wheels to hold onto the pavement all that well. The Miata has never been about straight-line speed though, it is handling.

I welcome the weight reduction. I think it'll make it even more fun to drive in turns and that's hard to do on an already fun car.

By AssBall on 6/8/2011 3:59:41 PM , Rating: 3
I remember folks fitting in a supercharged Ford 302 into the older Miatas. Sometimes they'd break their driveshaft or have other problems, but they were badass. Wonder if they have room in the new ones for a better engine. I bet it would be a blast with even something like an Ecotec or turbodeisel.

Miatas are one of the cheapest, fun and practical cars that are rear wheel drive that money can buy.

By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 11:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
I have a strange feeling we'll see one or two end up with Hayabusa engines, only unlike the Smart cars they'll actually be able to put the power to the ground.

By theapparition on 6/9/2011 11:33:48 AM , Rating: 1
Plenty of LS1 conversions. Some even sell complete kits. Look up Monster Miatas.

By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/2011 4:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
It's probably going to be a TINY lag-free turbo though, not even that much boost. You really think it would upset the car that much? I doubt the boost would come on in the way your WRX does.

By MrBlastman on 6/8/2011 5:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm sure the turbo won't be that big (heck, the one in my turbo isn't that big either)--the bigger they get the more the lag, hence the need for a twin-scroll turbo (i.e. a bigger coupled with a smaller). Even still, I've got quite a bit of lag on mine. I can manage it though, quite nicely I might add with proper shift sequencing coming into turns.

I've become quite the addict at double-clutching into turns to put me into a far higher RPM range right before I enter it (keeping my weight distribution stable and uninterrupted) to avoid lag in the event I need power by having me already fat in the power-band mid-turn (coincidentally it makes rolling on the throttle once I'm halfway in to exit the turn easier). So yeah, through experience and practice, I've become quite good at dealing with it.

Now--I'm just theorizing here. None of us have driven the new Miata yet. The thing I do know is that rear-wheel drive cars are quite fidgety when at the limits--moreso than my AWD car. If I shift the weight slightly from the rear to front (or vice-versa) my fronts take up the slack from my rears as I have a 50/50 power distribution. On a RWD car though, you mess up the balance slightly, it can quickly send you into oversteer. You can correct it, sure, with a little finesse but it takes more effort than I have to put forth (fractional adjustment to my steering input) and potentially throttle input. The turbo just makes it a little "twitchier" than a NA engine would be--so it will require a bit more concentration and practice to get the hang of it, that is all.

I love Miatas. I think they're hot, sexy and fun as hell to drive a little go-karts. There's just a part of me inside that thinks keeping them NA would retain that feel a little better.

By RealTheXev on 6/9/2011 2:40:07 AM , Rating: 2
People people! It seems your knowledge of turbo's is about 5-10 years out dated:

These suckers can bring on some nice boost rather quickly... although, looking at Ford's other motors, its no doubt that a redo of the MX-5 is overdue (and would have come quicker if other models in the Ford/Mazda line didn't need the overall first! Also, it'd probably have been a higher priority if the Solstice/Sky was still available).

I don't expect the turbo on the new MX-5 to lag... at all.

By RealTheXev on 6/9/2011 2:48:51 AM , Rating: 2
I would also like to add, that this is a car that is going to have to compete with Toyota/Subaru's new FT86 platform, and a possible(?) new Nissan Silvia...

Man its exciting time for FR drivers. XD

By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 3:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
At 1800 lbs I'd almost expect the base Miata to have a naturally aspirated 1.4L and the turbo to be reserved for a slightly heavier Mazdaspeed Miata. It wouldn't be the first time car manufacturers have fudged promises by almost meeting their goals with two different trims, though this is Mazda so I'll withhold judgement until I actually see what they come up with.

It's also important to note that there is more to an engine's weight than just displacement. When Nissan replaced their 2L SR20DE with the 2.5L QR25DE they actually ended up with an engine that was significantly LIGHTER than the older engine. Maybe Mazda is going to save weight by using the engine block as a backbone. Otherwise it's hard to see them achieving 1800 lbs and legal crash ratings without shrinking it to Kei car size. Unless they just gave up on selling it in North America and are focusing on the Japan/Europe market which isn't impossible.

By superstition on 6/9/2011 2:21:37 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares about the engine when the car looks so bloody awful with that demented Mazda smiley face fascia?

And yet people are buying these hideous vehicles. The Miata was once a beautiful car. I have one from 2003 and Mazda couldn't give me one of these new hideous beasts.

By NINaudio on 6/8/2011 3:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't realize how low the mileage ratings were for the current miata. My car weighs, 3,000 lbs., has a 3 liter v6 that makes around 100 hp more than the miata, and I get 20/30 mpg city/highway. What gives Mazda?

RE: Mileage?
By KentState on 6/8/2011 4:06:34 PM , Rating: 2
Heck, I could get 18/28 out of my Vette.

RE: Mileage?
By 91TTZ on 6/8/2011 4:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
That's because aerodynamics has a very big influence on fuel economy. As a convertible, the Miata probably isn't very aerodynamic compared to many other cars. The 305 HP V6 Mustang gets 30 mpg highway. Like you said, the Vette gets 28 mpg highway.

RE: Mileage?
By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 5:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
The lower brake specific fuel consumption at low rpm and high load that comes from the Corvette's head design compared to multivalves doesn't hurt either.

RE: Mileage?
By strikeback03 on 6/8/2011 4:24:56 PM , Rating: 2
The aerodynamics associated with being a convertible might have something to do with it, but for whatever reason Mazdas seem to get poor gas mileage. Too bad, a previous generation Mazda 6 hatch with the V6 and stick is theoretically something that would suit my needs well, but combined mileage in the low 20s won't cut it.

RE: Mileage?
By blppt on 6/8/2011 5:40:50 PM , Rating: 2
Two things come to mind:

1. The Miata's overdrive gear is much, much shorter than a Vettes....the C6 manual I think, is turning like 1500rpm at 60mph, whereas the Miata in top gear is north of 3000rpm at the same speed. Nice to have that massive displacement V8 with enough torque to pull at 1500 rpm, eh? =)

2. The Vette's 18/28 is based on not disabling the 1-4 "skip-shift" feature on the manual transmission, which some people cannot stand.

RE: Mileage?
By kjboughton on 6/9/2011 2:06:21 PM , Rating: 2
Comparing engine speeds (RPMs) at equivalent vehicle speeds won't tell you much about fuel consumption. Better to look at vacuum if want to get an idea of the real load applied.

RE: Mileage?
By blppt on 6/9/2011 2:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, however, all else not being equal, the Corvette's admittedly amazing highway mileage has at least a bit to do with its sizeable gearing advantage. Dont they now have cylinder deactivation on the LSx series as well?

RE: Mileage?
By sorry dog on 6/8/2011 9:31:19 PM , Rating: 2
what gives??...

it weighs in nearly that much, is not very aerodynamic, and has short gearing.

Sounds good...
By Stuka on 6/8/2011 3:51:13 PM , Rating: 3
Looks nice on paper. However, I see a couple problems... 1. Mazda just finished saying how small displacement turbo engines were stupid. Bipolar much? 2. To get lighter than the original NA, at least one of two things must happen; use of exotic materials pricing the car into Mustang GT territory which would officially alienate every male driver left; or the target weight represents the club race package without airbags, bumper reinforcements, strip seats, tiny wheels, no electrics, basic hardtop shell w/o any convertible top, and probably even some aluminum paneling.

In any case, likely no one will care except for the weekend racers anyway. I loved the NC as it bridged the gap of performance and usability perfectly and looked good doing it. In fact it was so good looking that the female buyers started shying away 'cos they could get a Mini that was "cuter." And the engine was so weak that male buyers were not excited. For the same price you could get a Mustang V6 and do everything a Miata could do on a daily basis, but MORE. More power, more space, more trunk, more parts choices, more wheel choices, more tire choices, more options, more colors, and more cachet.

Surprise me Mazda. Please.

RE: Sounds good...
By NINaudio on 6/8/2011 3:55:34 PM , Rating: 2
And don't forget the 30 MPG highway on a 305 horsepower engine with the v6 Mustang. =)

RE: Sounds good...
By Myrandex on 6/9/2011 4:07:24 PM , Rating: 2
:) Nice car, nice engine. My Fiance just bought a new one a month ago.

RE: Sounds good...
By Taft12 on 6/8/2011 4:16:10 PM , Rating: 2
1. Mazda just finished saying how small displacement turbo engines were stupid. Bipolar much?

They were wrong, and good on them for admitting a mistake. Too bad politicians can't do the same.

2. To get lighter than the original NA, at least one of two things must happen; use of exotic materials pricing the car into Mustang GT territory which would officially alienate every male driver left

Not to those of us who are comfortable in our masculinity and don't need a vehicular penis extension.

RE: Sounds good...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/8/2011 4:36:53 PM , Rating: 1
Mazda knows what they are doing. I'm a big fan of them, having owned several of their vehicles. When it comes to making small cars wicked light, remember the last gen RX-7's? Scary power/weight ratio.

RE: Sounds good...
By blppt on 6/9/2011 2:41:29 PM , Rating: 3
I was reading an old Daniel Heraud car book the other day from 1994 where he was complaining the production RX-7 turbo was actually TAMED from the pre-production model he last tested, LOL.

RE: Sounds good...
By lagomorpha on 6/8/2011 5:33:07 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that's fine if you don't mind a car with suspension that's been obsolete since Roman times and weighs over 9000 lbs. Face it, the V6 Mustang is a car for women that don't know what they're doing and has no redeeming qualities.

The Miata is for people that want the nimble handling and feel of a lightweight British roadster without having to fight Lucas electricals every time you drive it. You can't get that with a big fat Ford no matter how much you want to spend on aftermarket parts.

RE: Sounds good...
By blppt on 6/8/2011 5:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
That may have been true in the past, but the new V-6 model has 305hp and a really sporty, retuned suspension, which according to most reviews I've read, never lets the solid axle rear its ugly head in handling. No, it will never feel as nimble as a mx-5, but it is far removed from the "secretary special" the V-6 model used to be.

0-60 in 5.1 and .96g skidpad are nothing to sniff at.

By coolkev99 on 6/9/2011 8:37:40 AM , Rating: 4
As an owner of the an NA model, I think this is a good move. When weighing the same as most other smaller cars it isn't really setting itself apart as a light-weight roadster.

NC mileage
By rickeymoose on 6/10/2011 7:36:41 AM , Rating: 3
I get 33mpg on the highway with cruise on at 65 in my 09 ragtop. And that's with the added weight of the appearance package.

Flash Bainite
By mudkip on 6/14/2011 11:32:51 PM , Rating: 2

Maybe Mazda can benefit from this discovery :)

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