quote: The global warming stuff started to be fed to us in the 80s
quote: Yup. No lie, when I was in elementary school they were teaching us that there was a giant hole in the ozone layer and that "in a few years" we would be unable to breath the air outside and we would have to wear oxygen masks or something and full insulated suits to survive outdoors.
quote: If reclaimer77's being honest, he had ill-educated teachers.
quote: Regardless, his outlandish hyperbole removes him from serious consideration... again.
quote: Who says these warnings weren't valid if we had let things continue the way they were at the time these warnings were made? The whole point of a warning is to get people to change things.
quote: however even this 1.8% figure is incorrect as most cooks will ackowledge. if you dont cook the meal hot enough and long enough you wont heat center
quote: It's called isolation to prove CO2 does trap more heat.
quote: I don't think anyone contends that one aspect of the system behaves as described. I think the contention is that the whole system doesn't behave as described, and focusing on that one aspect makes your view of the whole system look skewed. CO2 traps more heat, yes. More heat causes more cloud formation. More cloud formation mitigates the greater heat. How do you propose we form clouds in an upside-down glass?
quote: And a cloudy day is cooler than it would have been without the clouds. You also broadly paint all clouds... some clouds are far more effective than others due to shape, density, coverage, etc.
quote: Cloud formation does not mitigate the greater heat.
quote: Cloud formation actually traps more heat from escaping the atmosphere. On a cloudy night, you will see very little change in temperature vs a clear night.
quote: Isolation is a bad example, as shown by Reclaimer. Metal can retain heat, this is proven. However a pot on an oven with a constant supply of water will NOT reach maximum heat.
quote: It is missing h20 . Any scientific analysis of the atmosphere MUST include H20 and specifically must attempt to determine clouds and particles as separate issues.
quote: Now your inability to continue replying to me means YOU LOST THE GAME!
quote: I suspect you are a janitor at the USGS.
quote: You are no expert.
quote: What the vast majority of scientists are saying is that there is just too many variables to conclude CO2 is our doomsday.
quote: No one is.
quote: It's better we keep it low than increasing it.
quote: I don't think even 1,000 people can tackle a research project this size. It would require many life times to complete.
quote: Remember I am advertising myself an expert in this topic. I come armed with information sources to back my claims. Your answers dictate my response.
quote: I will take you man to man(woman/tv) on Global Warming or Climate Change where you support man is contributing and where I get to challenge that assertion The rules are simple... up to 10 of you may take me on. we each make an argument the other must refute successfully and we start mortal combat. oh and it must be related to man made *insert current term here*. I will note that my replies will be with time issues (especially if replying to 10 people!) but I have no issues with making this a bookmarked thread if need be.
quote: What I cannot accept is a half-baked theory being used to justify massive intrusions into our daily lives, as well as job-killing regulatory efforts resulting in higher costs of living. All to supposedly stave off something that was NEVER going to happen in the first place anyway.
quote: Remember a Liberal thinks he is NEVER wrong.
quote: There's over over 1000 scientists here and none of them have an agenda.
quote: Having an agenda means you want a particular result.
quote: As for a stereotypes go "Remember a Liberal thinks he is NEVER wrong." is pretty much true.
quote: And in the same vein I think it's true that liberals in general think they are smarter than the average citizen and "know" what's best. So by extension they believe they are not wrong. And in my view it's a belief system, just as strong as any organized religion. And on matters of faith you just can't argue logic.
quote: Al Gore is a a classic example of what happens when you mix politics with science.
quote: What is with people here turning everything into political drama of Dem vs Rep?
quote: Since when did science support any party?
quote: If you are dumb enough to be fooled by propaganda instead of real science
quote: How could you say science support certain parties.
quote: I think it was just convenient for them at the time to support their political agenda at that time.
quote: Like I said, I don't care about the political BS.
quote: Climate Change has been disproved, soundly.
quote: Nobody is bothering to shoot him down because nobody has bothered to read anything he wrote.
quote: LRH, you should apologise for your post.
quote: Tony has proven time and again that he's incapable of having a rational thought or justifiable opinion.
quote: because I stopped reading his posts long ago.
quote: You already categorized yourself as a loon by disagreeing with scientific consensus.
quote: 97% of climate scientists "accept the evidence for the consensus position that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions are largely responsible for the warming observed over the last century."http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/05/survey-of-1...There is nothing to discuss on the subject that hasn't already been exhaustively documented by people far more qualified than yourself
quote: the only valid conclusion is that 97% of scientists believe in global warming.
quote: Too long; didn't read; wouldn't have read even if it wasn't too long.
quote: we all know what I am talking about.