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  (Source: Mac Rumors/clancemasterj)
512MB of RAM means that the iPhone 4 likely won't repeat the missteps of the iPad

When Steve Jobs announced the iPhone 4 a few weeks ago, the company was happy to tout such features as its high-resolution Retina display, thinner body, FaceTime chat, 3-axis gyroscope, and increased battery life. However, Jobs left out some other important details that tech heads want to know like the clock speed of the A4 processor and the amount of RAM onboard.

Today, we have an answer to at least one of those questions. Mac Rumors is confirming that the iPhone 4 now has 512MB of RAM which is double what's included on the year-old iPhone 3GS and the recently introduced iPad. The increased RAM is likely to be welcome news for potential customers due to a problem that numerous iPad users have encountered with page caching issues in Mobile Safari due to the iPad's 1024x768 screen coupled with just 256MB of RAM.

John Gruber of DaringFireball fame described the issue shortly after the launch of the iPad:

There’s one severe problem in Safari for iPad, though: memory crapping out. MobileSafari for iPhone has always allowed you to open up to eight pages at a time. It tries to keep them all truly open, in RAM, so that you can quickly switch between them. But when it runs out of memory it starts flushing some of the pages. It doesn’t forget the URLs for those pages, and, in recent versions, it saves a static thumbnail image of the rendered page, but when you switch back to those purged pages, MobileSafari must reload the page...

The iPad also has 256 MB of RAM. But, in my use, iPad’s Safari isn’t able to keep nearly as many pages open as I can on my 3GS. In fact, sometimes it seems I can only have one, and every page I switch to gets completely reloaded. This is more than just annoying — it can lead to data loss if you have unsubmitted form data sitting in an “open” iPad Safari page.

With 512MB of RAM onboard and a slightly lower resolution than the iPad – 640x960 – the iPhone 4 hopefully won't have the same page caching issues and could possibly even provide better performance.

512MB of RAM puts the iPhone 4 on par with powerhouse Android phones like the HTC EVO 4G.



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Wow...
By dj LiTh on 6/17/2010 5:44:33 PM , Rating: 5
512mb is great for a phone, but what really caught my eye is 256 for the ipad? Instead of this showing how great the iphone4 is, it just shows me what a POS the ipad is!




RE: Wow...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/17/2010 5:57:05 PM , Rating: 5
RE: Wow...
By ClownPuncher on 6/17/2010 6:05:11 PM , Rating: 4
Will gargle balls for money (for an iPride 4G). Funny.


RE: Wow...
By FaceMaster on 6/18/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wow...
By AstroCreep on 6/17/2010 6:37:58 PM , Rating: 4
iPOS?


RE: Wow...
By Drag0nFire on 6/21/2010 3:44:52 PM , Rating: 2
Haha. I can see it already. I'll start getting emails with the arrogant self-righteous signature "sent from my iPOS".


RE: Wow...
By PrinceGaz on 6/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wow...
By dagamer34 on 6/17/2010 6:50:17 PM , Rating: 4
I doubt it was intentionally designed to be poor, but there's just a LOT of effort that goes into making the first product in a series work well. Design specs are often locked in months in advance, and hunting for bugs takes up a LOT of time.

It's like trying to complain the first video game in a series sucks after the second one comes out because they left out important stuff. Trying to put everything into version 1 gets you a shitty product 9 times out of 10 because it's the jack of all trades and master of none.


RE: Wow...
By hughlle on 6/17/2010 8:09:41 PM , Rating: 4
and i doubt they ever thought of that fantastic opportunity of ipad second gen with upgraded memory for web performance the world has never seen


RE: Wow...
By smap1 on 6/17/2010 7:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
Most of the tech world is like that though.

The good old Intel Tick Tock model. New Product, update of new product, New Product again. If you always buy on the update (tock I think) you will have fewer problems with the device, but not have the newest features when they are released.


RE: Wow...
By afkrotch on 6/17/2010 10:25:15 PM , Rating: 4
No, most of the tech world is not like that. They put all available tech into the product as they can, then they create cheaper variants missing the tech. That way you can cater to multiple consumers. As time goes on and new tech is invented, we will see new products with said tech.

They don't leave out missing tech, just so they can make the same exact thing next year, but with 1-2 pieces of that missing tech. Apple is in it's own little world.

Intel's tick tock model is hardly like Apple. It'd be like Intel releasing the C2D, but leave out it's power reduction features, just so they can put it in for the update.


RE: Wow...
By hughlle on 6/18/2010 5:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
then why has the iphone always had such crap specifications? because if the 3G2 had had a decent camera and good screen as most other phones did on it's release there wouldn't really be a good reason to move to an iphone 4.

and with computer games they generally make a fantastic first one and then a crap second one because they've nothing new and interesting to add to the new one.

apple have released a mediocre product with the idea that the next update can actually contain new features of use. 512mb of ram or not, even the iphone 4 is almost redundant before it's released. example being the camera. it takes them this long to bump it upto what it is, while most other companies are dropping 5mb in preference of 8 or 10. apple could not survive if they actually released their products fully featured and issue free


Cache to Flash
By Roger686 on 6/17/2010 5:53:20 PM , Rating: 3
So given they have a memory issue why don't they have Safari on the iPad cache to flash? It's still going to be better than network access.




RE: Cache to Flash
By dagamer34 on 6/17/2010 6:13:43 PM , Rating: 2
Probably don't want to wear out the flash caching tiny stuff. Besides, usually reloading data from the network is faster anyway.


RE: Cache to Flash
By NYScientist on 6/18/10, Rating: -1
RE: Cache to Flash
By daInvincibleGama on 6/18/2010 3:28:56 AM , Rating: 4
You're either a complete idiot or an unimaginably bad troll.

"Caching to flash" means temporarily storing RAM data on available flash memory.

LOL at all your rants on this article as well.


RE: Cache to Flash
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/18/2010 3:31:04 AM , Rating: 2
Umm, wrong flash dude.


RE: Cache to Flash
By aoskunk on 6/18/2010 8:17:18 AM , Rating: 2
Thats incredibly funny. When i read the post i knew there was going to be one tool who can't read that would post what you did. congrats. I am actually smiling. thats great. You slay ME.


RE: Cache to Flash
By daveinternets on 6/18/2010 12:15:45 PM , Rating: 1
My God....

Please tell me you're not actually a scientist...


OMG! ..
By christo90210 on 6/17/2010 6:46:15 PM , Rating: 4
The latest toilet roll in my bathroom has 400 sheets!! News?




RE: OMG! ..
By StevoLincolnite on 6/18/2010 1:02:58 AM , Rating: 2
I found your comment funnier and more interesting than the Article itself, great work. :P (Not that it was hard!)


RE: OMG! ..
By NYScientist on 6/18/2010 1:03:41 AM , Rating: 1
Only to people for whom using the bathroom is important.

You made your frivolous point. News?


RE: OMG! ..
By themaster08 on 6/18/2010 3:40:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only to people for whom using the bathroom is important.
More so to me than the next iPhone. At least I'll be purchasing toilet roll.


Let's all get along
By Aloonatic on 6/18/2010 5:21:21 AM , Rating: 2
Personally, what I find amusing when reading these comments (by Apple fans and those who clearly don't like them) is that you are both right, to a certain degree. It is possible you guys.

Yes, Apple do make some mistakes with their products, that's pretty undeniable. However, they are not quite as drastic as many like to make out, but Apple sure do like to exploit those oversights and advertise them hard in the refresh that often includes them, which it would not have been hard for them to have added in the first place, which other companies invariably do. Let's not forget though, that Apple are often first to the mass consumer market with these devices, so come under a lot more scrutiny than others.

Yes, Apple do sell a lot of products, that is undeniable also. However, that they sell a lot of products odes not automatically make them faultless and beyond criticism.

Pretending that one means that the other is impossible is nonsense, as we can clearly see. Apple have done well of late, and are on a roll, riding the iWave nicely and what they have done to the market should not be overlooked. They drove the MP3 player market with the iPod, smart phones were no where near as common before the iPhone came along, and now many are saying that tablets will not catch on, even after Apple have sold a cr@p load of them, so they probably will.

However, other companies invariably have, and almost certainly will, come along and offer something better, for less but without the fashionable label, which is important to people.

I'll (probably) never buy and Apple product though as I too recognise that they are often over priced (for what I want, as the fashionable aspect is not an issue for me) and somewhat short on features/upgradability for the price, compared to what I am confident will in the pipeline. However, I also recognise what they have achieved and cannot fault anyone for buying their products if that's their thing, and they do not want to wait for the iWhatever killer. It's taken a while for the iPhone killer to come along after all.

It's all about value, and what one consumer values over another will vary. So be happy with you iWhatever if that's your thing, but don't pretend that it does not have any short comings and that you've probably paid well over the odds, or will over the long haul. By the same token, if you don't like Apple and always buy their alternatives, don't pretend that Apple have not done a great deal to drive the market and set the standard for the products that you have probably had to wait for, whilst Apple is marauding through the consumer space, with a little bit of envy. Be happy knowing that, yes, your device will be cheaper and probably technically better or more open, allowing you to add memory or do what you want with it more easily and leave it at that.

Let's all get along.

*not holding my breath*




RE: Let's all get along
By FaceMaster on 6/18/2010 5:29:25 AM , Rating: 2
Apple has always received flak relative to its success. Sure, people will try to justify it as inferior goods at a higher price, but that's exactly why Apple should be praised. They are true masters of business, capable of generating supernormal profits while selling sub-par machines. It's all too easy to simply join the hate crowd against Apple, but in years to come we'll look back and realise how snobby we are. I don't buy Apple products, but I accept that people out there want them. I wish I had come up with the company 'Apple', I'd be one rich mofo.

All of this hate towards Apple just stinks of jealousy, no matter how you people try to justify it.

Mod me down, it'll only inflate my ego further!


RE: Let's all get along
By Aloonatic on 6/18/2010 6:16:45 AM , Rating: 3
Apple don't hold a gun to anyone's head and make them buy their products, so well done them. (not being sarcastic there by the way, just to clarify)

The thing that many people here don't get is that other products may be technically better, and iTunes alternatives may be a lot better but... Apple got in first, and they provide enough to keep people happy and loyal. Apple users now know how to use iTunes and are satisfied with what they get, and they get it sooner than those who want an alternative, and Apple have done a great job marketing it.

I don't think that all the hate stinks of jealousy though, some is just frustration with Apple fans not being able to accept their chosen products short comings whilst often "showing off" their device. They don't do themselves any favours in how they behave either. Pretending that it's just jealously, or because you can't afford one etc, which might be true for a small percentage of people who don't buy Apple (The extreme Apple haters might be fuelled by it though) but by no means all. Some of us just don't like the way Apple do things and see no value in the benefits that they promote, and are somewhat tired of Apple fans waving their devices in our faces claiming that they are "magical" and whatever.

For every hater who is jealous because they can't afford and Apple device, there is a Apple owner who can't really afford their devices either, so when they buy one, they go out of their way to try to justify their purchase and make themselves feel better by droning on and on about it and how great it is.

The current Apple iPad adds showing in the UK now make me laugh out aloud. iPad is thin, iPad is beautiful... Oh, that's me, I want to be thin and beautiful, but I'm not, but maybe if I buy an iPad, people will think... Their marketing just works, on a lot of people, but not for me, and I guess that's how they want it as I am clearly not their target audience, so kudos.


RE: Let's all get along
By jimhsu on 6/23/2010 10:16:37 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is the master of satisfacting. (see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=... ). Their marketing strategy hinges on them being "good enough" while being simple to use - "more versatile than ever", "faster than before", "Learn your way around a Mac in minutes". Notice neither price/performance (value) nor spec wars are emphasized - they are simply not interested in catering to maximizing customers (as most people on here are). They market solutions, not specs.

That's why they are successful, and most other PC makers are not.


Sure you've got more ram but...
By GuinnessKMF on 6/17/2010 5:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure Apple just blindly decided to solve the problem by shoving more RAM into the packed casing... without determining what ripple effect it would have. Apple has a history of making changes like this without looking into things like heat dissipation. The iPhone 4G, also serves as a griddle!




By PrinceGaz on 6/17/2010 6:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
DRAM running at the sort of speeds the iPhone will use is hardly power hungry; doubling the amount will have a negligible difference in power consumption (and therefore heat). Going from 2Mbit to 4Mbit DRAM is trivial.


RE: Sure you've got more ram but...
By NYScientist on 6/18/10, Rating: -1
By GuinnessKMF on 6/30/2010 12:01:58 AM , Rating: 1
I remember the last time I performed rocket surgery ... it wasn't pretty for anyone involved.


so? *blink
By xxsk8er101xx on 6/17/2010 8:50:34 PM , Rating: 1
My android phone has had 512MB RAM. Guess what else it has? an 8MP camera. It can also multi-task.

Droid Incredible owner and it can destroy the iphone.




RE: so? *blink
By NYScientist on 6/18/10, Rating: -1
RE: so? *blink
By xti on 6/18/2010 9:43:20 AM , Rating: 2
No woman at a bar knows what a Droid is.


RE: so? *blink
By xxsk8er101xx on 6/18/2010 6:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
No woman cares about what thingy you use to call your mommy. You assume women care first of all.


Pretty Common Now
By Goty on 6/17/2010 9:31:02 PM , Rating: 2
512MB is pretty common now for the upper tier of Android phones, too.




RE: Pretty Common Now
By johnsonx on 6/20/2010 2:12:58 AM , Rating: 2
Palm pre+ also has 512mb. Apparently those with original 256mb palm pre's have a fair amount of trouble with RAM, though there are now some custom kernels that drastically improve matters.


You see....
By GruntboyX on 6/18/2010 12:00:18 AM , Rating: 2
Well let me take the access door off and put a bigger stick of....wait...

<trash>

Amazon.com..click click...ups...open box .. open access panel to netbook and continue to put in ram.




By xpax on 6/23/2010 11:14:14 AM , Rating: 2
... and 3 ounces of fudge. Sorta like it's daddy, Steve, who packs closer to a pound.




Why so hard on the iPad?
By adrift02 on 6/17/10, Rating: 0
FIRST!
By Unfixedyouth on 6/17/10, Rating: -1
I'd get this if only it had flash
By bill4 on 6/18/10, Rating: -1
By afkrotch on 6/17/2010 10:43:33 PM , Rating: 4
What we say in the new millenium. "Do not adjust reality for the fault in your minds."


By NYScientist on 6/18/2010 1:54:10 AM , Rating: 2
Nice. Control freaks are rarely able to emotionally manage things that don't easily fit into their narrow reality.


By themaster08 on 6/18/2010 4:04:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its almost as if many of the people posting comments around here are somehow out of touch, as if they had some sort of problem understanding why people find Apple products so attractive - never mind - as we used to say back in the 1960's "do not adjust your minds there is a fault in reality"
Thank you, for yet again another insightful lecture on how we're unable to fathom Apple's success. You've changed my way of thinking forever!

So because most everyone else likes them, that must mean me are obliged to do so as well? Don't be ridiculous. You're a grown man for gods sake. Stop thinking like the children on the playground with their newest toy, and thinking we're the ones looking at those kids in envy of what they have.

There's no "fault" in disliking their products, or even the company. I for one think Apple are an absolutely vile company. I don't have so much of an issue with their products though.

However, I don't care if they sell 2 thousand or 2 billion iPads. It won't make me suddenly want one. I don't feel the need to "follow the crowd" when I can get a device that caters to my own needs far more. I have no use for a tablet, so I'm not going to blindly throw away £500 when I could use that money far more constructively.

It's called logic. Try looking it up some time.


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