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Jony Ive is the man behind the OS overhaul

Apple has reportedly made some pretty big changes to iOS 7, including a "flatter" look pioneered by Jony Ive, Apple’s head of Industrial Design and Human Interface.
 
In the past, software and hardware design never really crossed paths under Apple's roof. In fact, a report in March of this year pointed out that Apple's software design team for iOS typically sat in the dark on what the industrial design team was doing, but the two have started collaborating more as of late -- allowing software designers to get an idea of what devices their iOS projects will run on, and also give industrial designers a say in what the software will look like on their hardware.

This change (under Apple CEO Tim Cook) is showing its face with the iPhone/iPad's upcoming mobile operating system, iOS 7. 9 to 5 Mac reports that Ive has had a huge role in designing iOS 7, and that the new look may shock customers who are used to past versions of iOS. 

IOS 7 is expected to have a "flat" look, closely related to the look of Microsoft 8's live tiles. This is quite a break from the user interface designed under former CEO Steve Jobs, which follows a more glossy and life life look. The new OS loses all that shine and skeuomorphism currently lavished on users. 


Apple's Jony Ive

While the design is flatter, the ease-of-use remains the same. There will be no learning curve for users, as the idea was to keep things simple (as usual). 

The look won't be the only change to iOS in the upcoming version. There will also be an all-new icon set for Apple’s native apps, and tool bars, tab bars and other interface features will get a fresh design. 

Apple has also been considering adding more bundled information and options panels within the OS, like Notification Center. This would allow users to quickly glance at many notifications across their system at once. It hasn't been confirmed if we'll see this in iOS 7, though.

The changes aren't expected to please all users, specifically those who are used to the lifelike design with heavy textures. However, Cook has placed all confidence in Ive's ability to create across hardware and software. 

"Jony, who I think has the best taste of anyone in the world and the best design skills, now has responsibility for the human interface," said Cook in a Bloomberg BusinessWeek interview this year. "I mean, look at our products. The face of this is the software, right? And the face of this iPad is the software. So it’s saying, Jony has done a remarkable job leading our hardware design, so let’s also have Jony responsible for the software and the look and feel of the software, not the underlying architecture and so forth, but the look and feel."

Ive stepped in last year when former vice president of iOS software Scott Forstall got the boot due to the Apple Maps debacle. 

The changes to iOS 7 are not expected to give all developers too much trouble in the future, but apps built for iOS 6 and previous could be considered outdated since they're made to match old versions of iOS. 

Earlier this month, it was reported that Apple was pulling engineers from OS X 10.9 to finish iOS 7. At that time, it was predicted “Ive’s work is apparently making many people really happy, but will also apparently make rich-texture-loving designers sad.”

Apple's mobile operating system is likely going through a huge overhaul because it's in the midst of creating entirely new gadgets, such as the upcoming smart watch. Reports have said that the new watch's OS will be built from the ground up rather than starting with the iPod nano's touch operating system (which has a screen about the size of a watch). Also, the iPhone/iPad's OS must be reconstructed to work with the new devices.

The watch is due out as early as this year.

Source: 9 to 5 Mac



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By Arsynic on 4/30/2013 3:59:30 PM , Rating: 5
And of course Apple will get the credit for revolutionizing UI...




By karimtemple on 4/30/2013 4:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!


By Samus on 5/1/2013 2:29:58 AM , Rating: 3
When hasn't Apple ripped off Microsoft? Gates got the idea for Windows from Macintosh but certainly not the design. For decades, Apple has been following Microsoft in virtually every way. The Microsoft Currier tablet (and countless tablets before it) are just examples of this, and Windows CE/Mobile with touch screens (albeit not capacitive) existed a decade before the iPhone.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 8:09:29 AM , Rating: 1
I like how you deny yours in favor of defending a company... As if it means something to you.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 11:21:57 AM , Rating: 2
In another thread on another topic you pointed out things that YOU think are better about your platform, not flaws in my argument. I will give you that in a sense its about options. No phone has it all and different people look for different things in a phone. Its like comparing a Corvette and a pickup truck. You cant really say one is better than the other, as it depends on your own needs but as far as this thread goes, it was about blatantly copying others, which it does (and BTW, that is fine with me). I was actually not specifically commenting on how Apple copies others and gets all bent when they themselves are copied (which is another argument altogether) but on your incessant need to defend them to the point that is all you do here at this site. Regardless of the issue, product, or subject, you are 100% on Apple's side no matter what. That my fried is the very definition of a biased fanboy loser.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 11:49:23 AM , Rating: 2
"So your problem with me is that I am one out of maybe 2 or 3 others that defend Apple's products and give a different perspective than the usually Apple bashing that goes on here EVERY time Apple is mentioned? I see. Well let me take a step back so you can continue your baseless anti-Apple campaign with the rest of the Android goons here."

No, you dont see, because you seem to get too personally offended when the word Apple is mentioned. You see people as attacking Apple. Right off the bat this phrase from you is a problem "your baseless anti-Apple campaign" Do you not see that as an issue? Why is it that I cannot have an opinion that is negative about Apple in a certain area and it not be a campaign? Why do you, Tony and a few other have to go there? That inst how it is at all.

I personally commend Apple for their contributions to the industry and thank them for the iPhone. It was leaps and bounds better than anything else on the market at the time and it literally forced everyone else to raise their games. We all benefit from that. We all benefit from their push on higher resolutions too. Thanks again Apple. Does that sound like something an Apple hater would say? Like anything else, they do some good and some bad moves. Overall, a good force in the industry. I can say I didn't like alot of Steve Jobs crappy comments ("you are holding it wrong") and I don't like Apple's ridiculously hippo-critical lawsuits. That doesn't make me a hater, it makes me observant and human and very normal in that regard. Any normal person would look at that and agree. Only a nut would get all bent about it and feel some strange need to defend a company.

On phones, although the iPhone was a HUGE leap in 2007 and forced everyone else to wake the hell up... Everyone did and today, I feel Apple is falling behind. Its not like something I made up. Its all over wall street and industry insiders. They are all looking at the competition ans seeing Apple as slowing down. I am mirroring their thoughts, not making stuff up. Why do you have to get all bent when anyone says anything that isnt 100% rosy about Apple? FFS, what is your issue?


By Rukkian on 5/1/2013 3:46:11 PM , Rating: 3
In my (limited experience) every person that actively clings to only apple is simply doing it because they spent so much money on apple's proprietary stuff, that it would cost hundreds of dollars to replace it.

Music and media are a big part from before apple allowed unlocked, drm free music (which was only due to competition from other sources). Other things like the 40$ gps app they had to buy cause the os didn't offer one to me makes no sense. They just don't want to feel like a fool and want to continue using what they paid for to get their money's worth.

The other argument I hear alot is from ease of use, but those same people come to me to figure out how to do many things on their iphone (the one that is supposed to be very easy) and many times it, it either tough to do, or just cant be done due to some locked down "Feature" that Apple gave them.

I understand some people just dont ever want any change, and cant handle new things. It will be interesting to me to see how of the idiot itards deal if Apple does make changes.


By Cheesew1z69 on 5/1/2013 4:09:39 PM , Rating: 3
You really couldn't be more of a pathetic loser if you tried...


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 5:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
"You just have a problem differentiating between gimmicks and real world efficient solutions. Maybe if you where more technical you'd be able to tell the difference."

Just because you don't understand the benefits and cant figure out why having all these optional features are better for some people doesn't mean they aren't good features. You seem to be stuck on stupid with that regard. Maybe if you were more technical you'd be able to see it.

You know what... ? I really should have stopped right here "you seem to get too personally offended when the word Apple is mentioned. You see people as attacking Apple. Right off the bat this phrase from you is a problem "your baseless anti-Apple campaign" Do you not see that as an issue? Why is it that I cannot have an opinion that is negative about Apple in a certain area and it not be a campaign? "

Right there is the root of your problem and everything else you have said is skewed by what I described above.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 5:25:13 PM , Rating: 2
Whats that now? You parsed out the whole paragraph and are getting a different meaning than intended. But since you asked...

http://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-android-sat...

And another thing...

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31248-apple-cont...


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 5:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
I meant to add this as well. :P http://www.businessinsider.com/consumer-reports-ip...

But whatever Tony. You go on thinking bulletproof.


By Cheesew1z69 on 5/1/2013 5:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm not sure what is going on
Yes, it's obvious.


By Cheesew1z69 on 5/1/2013 7:20:52 PM , Rating: 1
Not only a douchebag, but a condescending one. Pathetic.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 7:45:48 PM , Rating: 1
"Not only a douchebag, but a condescending one. Pathetic"

LOL... I know, he has turned out to be kind of the perfect stereotypical Apple fanboy... Thinks Apple can do no wrong. Condescending at all times. Doesn't listen or care about any reason why a competing product might be better. Denies any feature Apple is missing is useful (these are the same dopes that don't want more than a 3.5 inch screen or 4G until of course, Apple got it, then it became important). Thinks they are technically inclined, and anyone that has a different need or opinion must therefore be non-technically inclined. Doesn't listen to reason. Only posts in threads about Apple or Apples competition and 100% on Apples side always, no matter the issue... And most importantly - Gets personally offended if anyone doesn't like anything about Apple - and attacks them for it as if its an "Anti Apple campaign"

What a hilarious thing to hang ones hat on.


By Cheesew1z69 on 5/1/2013 7:50:16 PM , Rating: 2
100 percent truth


By testerguy on 5/6/2013 1:15:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I know, he has turned out to be kind of the perfect stereotypical Apple fanboy... Thinks Apple can do no wrong. Condescending at all times. Doesn't listen or care about any reason why a competing product might be better. Denies any feature Apple is missing is useful (these are the same dopes that don't want more than a 3.5 inch screen or 4G until of course, Apple got it, then it became important). Thinks they are technically inclined, and anyone that has a different need or opinion must therefore be non-technically inclined. Doesn't listen to reason. Only posts in threads about Apple or Apples competition and 100% on Apples side always, no matter the issue... And most importantly - Gets personally offended if anyone doesn't like anything about Apple - and attacks them for it as if its an "Anti Apple campaign"


This is just unbelievable. You're the 'perfect stereotypical Apple hater'. Think Apple can do no right. Fails to be condescending. Doesn't listen or care about any reason behind Apple leading customer satisfaction or reliability studies (or sales). Denies any feature iPhones have is useful (for example the smaller screen which facilitates better one handed use, larger storage capacities, less storage taken up by bloat, faster and smoother OS, thinner and lighter than any other flagship (as well as less wide and less tall), better in drop tests, longer battery life, equivalent FPS despite being released 8 months prior to the SG4).

Thinks they are technically inclined (but can't work out how to use cloud storage and/or use a portable charger, or how to drag/drop files on an iPhone), so anyone who actually isn't dumb enough to fail at these things must therefore be non-technically inclined. Doesn't understand let alone listen to reason. 100% against Apple, no matter the issue - and most importantly gets personally offended if anyone doesn't go with an Android phone instead of an iPhone - and attacks them for it as if it's a 'pro-Apple campaign'.

You are absolutely absurd. You're the most obvious Apple hater fanboy I have EVER come across on any forum. On top of that you have properly backwards political views - it's like you're an old fart with a mission to push Android. You're all over it with your lists on every_single_Apple_thread. You identify anyone who corrects you as an Apple fanboy or invested in Apple - when it's you who has the issues.


By Any14Tee on 5/1/2013 7:31:25 PM , Rating: 3
I don't understand how Iphones increasing and Androids decreasing, the world and dog knows that isn't true.

Today I was in a business seminar, I met up with three people I knew. Last year, the same people would flick out their i-phone 4's from their pockets in some sort of ritualistic offering to the Gods. I withhold from dishing out from my jacket my lowly second generation Android phone, the fear of flying the wrong mask and aspersions about my worthiness had stopped me in my tracks, is it size or quality that defines the man, I mumbled, it was I have to say a traumatic experience.

This year at the seminar,I was prepared, I had an upgrade and ready to exorcise the demons. The same 3 people sat around the table, their hands synchronized and reaching into their inside pockets, I flipped my Mexican Poncho Clint Eastwood style over my shoulder, sank my teeth into my cigar, and thought 'well punk make my day'.

Time had crawl to a halt, much akin to being sucked into an old Motion-picture movie where black and white celluloid shots of Jake LaMotta ravaging my head with his pepper shots hit me with all its intensity, I heard in the background 'freeze frame and cut', it was all over and I can walk tall.

Dude it was like D-Day or Obamba bakes a cake, the business associates rifled their pockets, only this time the Iphones were replaced with S3's, can you imagine that, it was monumental and my soul for just this second flew with the sea gulls. I pulled out my S3 to demonstrate that I was part of the clan. Priceless.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 7:47:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... Apople still sells alot of phones and makes alot of money, but on the high end, they are not just a little behind, they are really looking lame. Its like a low end "starter" smartphone with an aged OS and a high end SOC.


By retrospooty on 5/1/2013 7:48:42 PM , Rating: 2
I forgot to mention... My Mother just got an iPhone5. She is in her late 60's. These are the new Apple fans. LOL.


By retrospooty on 5/2/2013 7:50:18 AM , Rating: 3
Wrong... It did get a new prodcut bump in Q4, but in Q1 the downward trend continued. I would say I am sorry to burst your bubble, but I am decidedly not :P

Sorry, you have to retire another one of your spin tools.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31248-apple-cont...


By testerguy on 5/6/2013 1:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
I would say I'm sorry to burst your bubble of absolute idiocy, but I am decidedly not.

Tonys link shows the following:

Nov 2012:

Apple 35%
Android 53.7%

Feb 2013:

Apple 38.9%
Android 51.7%

The article you posted argues as follows:

Q1 2012:

Apple 47.9%
Android 44.6%

Q1 2013:

Apple 43.7%
Android 49.3%

Now I wonder if you can spot the failings in your own evidence. Even ignoring the obvious discrepancy between these two articles, one is comparing November 2012 to Feb 2013 , and the other is comparing Q1 2012 to Q1 2013 . As a result, the articles are not even necessarily inconsistent. Apple could have seen a decline from Q1 2012 to November 2012, and then seen an increase in take-up from November 2012 to Feb 2013. This would satisfy both articles and leave Tony's comment factually correct.

But why would you ever apply logic when you're such a bitter Apple hater, hey?

And don't mistake this factual statement with any claims about what will happen in the future or whether Apple has/will or not rise/fall in market share. It's a simple logical analysis of the reality of both of your articles, showing you why it doesn't even remotely prove what you believe it does.


By Any14Tee on 5/3/2013 5:34:21 AM , Rating: 2
Apple will always sell more apples (excuse the pun) more than anyone in its own backyard. We live in a global market don't we?


By Gio6518 on 5/1/2013 10:29:24 AM , Rating: 2
Only the iDiots will claim that crApple invented this....while the tech savvy crowd knows it's business as usual crApple copying everyone claiming that they invented it.....


Copying a failed product? What is Apple thinking?
By 91TTZ on 5/3/2013 10:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
Windows 8 is a dud. It's not gaining acceptance in the market. Recent sales reports are in and they show that Windows 8, 7 months after launch, hasn't even caught up with Vista which itself never caught on. Surface tablets are also not selling.

Apple copying Windows 8 is like Ford copying the Pontiac Aztek.




By InsGadget on 5/4/2013 10:25:43 AM , Rating: 2
SMH. Not going to give this the dignity of a response.


By fteoath64 on 5/1/2013 2:49:24 AM , Rating: 3
The moment Apple tries to imitate MicroSoft, it will be over for them. Anything close to the look-and-feel of the WP8 screen is going to turn off many. I hope they can really innovate on the UI look rather than do an evolved knock-off we have seen with notifications. They have to re-look at the way in which functions are being used and chained to form some sort of logic to most users.
The home screen need to look jazzy without being cheesy or boring. Having different sections with similar activity grouped together might be a start. I really want to see a contextual UI implemented in a practical way.




lame
By p05esto on 5/1/2013 9:11:12 AM , Rating: 3
Lame, Apple will copy MS Win8 design and Apple will be heralded as an amazing innovator...wow, they are just brilliant and hip. Go away Apple, hipsters are NOT cool any longer and we don't care.




Is that it?
By ven1ger on 5/1/2013 3:16:47 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry, but not sure if iOS 7.0 is going to be a big deal or not. Their interface is considered by many to be outdated, not sure if this is an overhaul or just refacing the OS. I sort of expected more in functionality than just what looks to be cosmetic, but I could be wrong.

I'm not an Apple fan nor do I have a burning hate for it but just happen to see it as a competitor that helps drive competition. I was hoping that 7.0 would be a real ass-kicker to the industry to get others moving but it doesn't seem to be an improvement to what's already available, just more catch-up. Oh well, will have to wait and see if there are more changes in 7.0 that haven't been released as yet.




why go flat
By CList on 5/3/2013 10:23:33 PM , Rating: 1
Any programmer will tell you that the main advantage to a flat, square design has nothing to do with UI experience it has to do with performance. round corners and rich textures suck CPU cycles like nobodies business, and our CPUs have too much work to do now that they need to know when our friends are within walking distance. You want to get people to buy more of your products? Make the experience worse and the product cheaper - people understand their own economics better than they understand design.

For a long time hardware got better, prices remained flat, and developers took advantage of the hardware improvements by making more fun, sexy UIs. Now hardware is leveling off, developers are more expensive, and everyone wants cheaper products, so to get the same performance improvements, the UI gets less sexy. Just like video games... which, with the exception of a couple of PC-only development houses, look the same as they did 5 years ago... 5 years!! Or more!! If you bought games in the 90s to early 2000's that would seem unbelievable!

This sort of economic reality is also the same reason why I cant get an iPad that's the same size as the fucking magazines we've all comfortably carried around for the past hundred years... but I can get a mini! ...which is ridiculous (yes, I'm bitter)

Thank you, least-common-denominator, you define the human race in 2013.

Cheers,
CList

p.s. one can only hope that Apple is going to avoid the insane amounts of white-space that Windows 8 saw fit to burden us with, but, knowing Apple and their disregard for people who actually do real work on their computers, that's unlikely....




I wonder....
By Tony Swash on 5/1/13, Rating: 0
My KKK *!!*!?
By Spuke on 4/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: My KKK *!!*!?
By nerdye on 4/30/2013 4:29:06 PM , Rating: 2
Spuke, you sir are a dumb shit!


RE: My KKK *!!*!?
By Helbore on 4/30/2013 7:34:01 PM , Rating: 4
Well perhaps he does look like that to your mind. But consider this;

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.


RE: My KKK *!!*!?
By Spuke on 5/1/2013 10:13:24 AM , Rating: 1
Oh well, I thought was funny.


RE: My KKK *!!*!?
By Digimonkey on 5/1/13, Rating: 0
As expected
By karimtemple on 4/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: As expected
By Ammohunt on 4/30/2013 3:35:55 PM , Rating: 1
I will take flatter over fatter in regards to UI software anyday. I just hope they don't bail on support of older iDevices.


RE: As expected
By Nortel on 4/30/2013 3:43:40 PM , Rating: 3
Seeing as how Apple is Apple; they will support their 3 year old devices.


RE: As expected
By GulWestfale on 4/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: As expected
By Shadowself on 4/30/2013 4:41:26 PM , Rating: 1
I'm guessing your post with regard to tiles is 99.9% sarcasm, but in case it is not...

You need to remember that Apple and Microsoft have a very broad cross licensing agreement on mobile device related patents. Exactly what is, and is not, covered by that agreement is known only to Apple and Microsoft, but I'd be surprised if tiles (and variations on that) are not covered by the agreement.


RE: As expected
By GulWestfale on 4/30/2013 11:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
you didn't know whether my comment about you having to pay apple a fee for the tiles in your bathroom was sarcasm? are you for real?


RE: As expected
By Shadowself on 4/30/2013 4:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
Apple typically supports at least three generations back and in the case of the iPhone, currently back four generations with limited support for some functions due to hardware limitations.

However, at least one Apple specific site has posted this...

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-...

Seems, except in California, Apple is going to drop *ALL* support for the original iPhone not just software support. So if you're still using an original iPhone, you need to consider upgrading to a new phone!

Skeumorphism has its place, and I hope Apple does not abandon it 100%. The problem was that for all too many of Apple's software products they introduced skeumorphism just for the sake of being pretty or "cute" with no functional rationale at all. One extreme is just as bad as the other.

We still (well, at least I do) work in a world where we call the computer default screen the "desktop" and there are still "folders" with files in them. Almost two decades ago Apple tried to break from all that and go document centric and move away from App centric and specific file and file type centric concepts but got soundly slapped down for it. Now Microsoft is trying to take the concept one step further with Windows 8 and supporting applications to make the concept information centric, not even document centric. We'll just have to see if this model is accepted, and which way most users want to go.


RE: As expected
By Reclaimer77 on 4/30/2013 6:29:50 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Now Microsoft is trying to take the concept one step further with Windows 8 and supporting applications to make the concept information centric, not even document centric. We'll just have to see if this model is accepted


Well so far it hasn't exactly been a smashing success...


RE: As expected
By integr8d on 5/1/2013 2:15:54 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple typically supports at least three generations back and in the case of the iPhone, currently back four generations with limited support for some functions due to hardware limitations.


Hardware limitations? Like Siri which was hacked onto the 4 (initially with a stuttering Siri animation and later updated to smooth it out)? What about turn-by-turn, voice-guided GPS, which functions perfectly with Google's implementation: 'Maps'?

To those who pay attention, Apple is notorious for planned obsolescence.


RE: As expected
By Nortel on 5/1/2013 10:14:04 AM , Rating: 2
Ignorance spreads like wildfire. Siri was in Beta for awhile, where Apple did not want to have all of their back products using it until it was ready to bring to everyone. A software update to smooth out an animation is suddenly alarm for conspiracy?

Next you'll be talking about Apple's planned obsolescence of Flash, floppy disks and Blu-ray.


RE: As expected
By integr8d on 5/1/2013 2:11:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Siri was in Beta for awhile, where Apple did not want to have all of their back products using it until it was ready to bring to everyone.


You're going to tell me that Siri is now out of beta and available for the 4? I don't think so. Suggesting a conspiracy is evidence that you aren't even familiar with the actual story.

Your strawman arguments are weak sauce.


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