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"The first rule of App Store rejections is, you do not talk about App Store rejections!"
Apple doesn't want any breaks in its circle of trust

Earlier this month, DailyTech reported that Apple has been pretty restrictive when it comes to accepting certain applications into its App Store ecosystem. The company most prominently rejected an application which it claimed provided functionality too similar to existing Apple applications.

The backlash that Apple received after the public airing of the rejection notices now appears to have set off another round of restrictions from Cupertino. According to Mac Rumors, developers receiving rejection notices from Apple can no longer talk about why their application was rejected. Rejection notices now bear the following text in bold letters:

THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE

So developers who now spend time developing for Apple's iPhone and iPod touch now run the risk of having their application rejected plus they now cannot talk about their rejections with anyone else.

This move comes not long after the Podcaster application was rejected by Apple. Podcaster was to provide new functionality to the iPhone and iPod touch by allowing the subscription, management, and streaming of podcasts directly to the portable device instead of having to be tethered to a desktop or notebook. Apple, wary of such a powerful program being available on the App Store, provided the following statement in a rejection letter:

Since Podcaster assists in the distribution of podcasts, it duplicates the functionality of the Podcast section of iTunes.

Naturally, many in the iPhone/iPod touch development community as well as Mac enthusiasts were upset about the decision. The rejection notice from Apple was posted all around the web and for the most part, Apple's actions were seen as a negative move that would discourage developers from providing applications to consumers out of fear of having their hard work rejected due to reasons that only Apple deemed appropriate.

Apple’s move to stifle the bad press from its App Store rejections may have erred by going the NDA route with rejection notices. If the response from the Mac community is any indication, this move may be even more frowned upon.



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Must obey Steve Jobs
By MrX8503 on 9/23/2008 5:49:02 PM , Rating: 2
Apple=Communist




RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By dsx724 on 9/23/2008 5:50:30 PM , Rating: 3
worst, they're fascist. communists are inherently good minded. apple is trying to purify their users.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By drebo on 9/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By dsx724 on 9/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By dsx724 on 9/23/2008 6:02:04 PM , Rating: 1
i take that back. that was dumb on my part to use incorrect grammer to justify my interpretation. it's all a matter of perspective and living under communism had its ups and downs just like living under any system.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:08:38 PM , Rating: 3
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invading another country and bankrupting yourself is the stupidest thing thats ever done.

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living under communism had its ups and downs just like living under any system.


First, your justification goes against your point. The Cold War, mainly instigated by Russia, caused Russia to bankrupt itself due to military spending.

Second, if you're referring to the US/Iraq war and the troubles on Wall Street as being connected, then you're far away from reality. Last I checked, people buying homes that they cannot afford has no connection with overthrowing a dictator & murderous regime.

However, I would love for you to justify me that the societies of the Soviet, Cuba, and even the people of China have prospered and had any "ups". Unless you're the son of Putin, Castro, or Jintao...you are vastly incorrect in everything you've said.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/23/2008 6:18:43 PM , Rating: 5
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Soviet, Cuba, and even the people of China


Ah but those are Communist dictatorships -- not true communism ;)

Communism in its purest form is more like a democracy, it has no clear figure of authority, but rather is a society working together. Unsurprisingly do to the selfish nature of mankind, this idea is rather impractical and has never seen the light of day in any true implementation. Maybe those countries adopted communist mechanisms on some scale, but ultimately their overlying power structure was a nationalistic dictatorship.

There's often a disparity between a philosophy and those who take its title as their label (i.e. neo-cons are not conservative at all by the definition of conservatism, but typically run huge budgets, yet they call themselves conservative).


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 6:33:52 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, mdogs, you've got them mixed up.

Socialism = China, USSR, Cuba.
Communism = erm... kibbutzim? I don't know. Not a lot of examples to go on. The OP got close, though. Communism would be a classless, stateless (i.e. absolutely no government), propertyless, egalitarian society. Think John Lennon's 'Imagine'.

Plus, I think you two are arguing the same side on selfishness and the practicality of communism, albeit with differing degrees of fervor.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By captainsparkle on 9/24/2008 7:10:22 AM , Rating: 3
Lets go one step further:
USSR was Stalinist/Leninist;
China is Maoist;
Cuba is Castro-ist (maybe Stalinist. I must say, my knowledge of Cuban history is lacking).

Either way, none of them are near enough to Marxist nor Communist.
After all, isn't the communist revolution supposed to replace the old powers with new ones as an interim, then create and entirely new system of a work-lead paradise? its that last step that seemed to be missing....


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By the goat on 9/24/2008 7:42:46 AM , Rating: 3
The closest historic revolution to true communism would be the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. They succeeded in completely eliminating social classes and brought equality to the population. This resulted in 20% of the country's population dieing in four years. But everybody was equal.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By captainsparkle on 9/24/2008 4:31:18 PM , Rating: 2
ethnic genocide notwithstanding :-)
I wouldn't call what they did communist insofar as it was agrarian rather than industrial. That is sort of splitting hairs though.
But either way, it didn't work out so well.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By HinderedHindsight on 9/23/2008 11:07:41 PM , Rating: 5
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liberal talking point of mankind being "selfish"


Doesn't the Bible talk about mankind being selfish? If the Bible talks about selfishness, and the conservative base is Christian, that would make it a Conservative talking point as well.

And I would argue that the floundering financial institutions are more entrenched with the mindset of "you have something I don't, and you're going to give me some of it." They've lost tons of money, and now they're saying to the government, and by extension, the taxpayers "give me some of it." Which is basically a cop out of the situation they got themselves in. It's a perfect circle.

See what happens when you have more than just cursory thoughts about these things- you end up discovering a truth that you weren't even aware of.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/24/2008 7:57:19 AM , Rating: 2
Communism is more like an anthill than it democracy. While there are I am sure many good hearted Communists as a movement it invariably causes death, destruction, and social upheaval.

One cannot divorce a political theory from how it implemented. Especially when that implementation happens every single time. Marxist thought was the biggest nightmare of the 20th century, it was directly responsible for over a 100,000,000.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Samus on 9/25/2008 6:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
Denmark is such a democracy that it could be consider a communist society. It works there...but only there for some reason ;)


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By dsx724 on 9/23/2008 6:27:35 PM , Rating: 1
1: I wasn't referring to Russia but thats exactly what good ole USA is on the path of. Invading other countries has pitfalls just like the expansionist policies of the Soviet Union lead to its collapse.

2: It has everything to do with far right policies. Last time I checked, Wall Street and Iraq were both policies of an American elected idiot who destroyed the very things moderates tried to protect, balance.

3: You don't know circumstances that makes every country what it is. We just happen to be incredible well positioned after we took untapped land and exploited it for our own use. It has nothing to do with our people being superior or smarter than other people. Russians, Cubans, and even Chinese people are probably happier on average even with less. Not everything is determined by how much you can plunder and burn.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:32:56 PM , Rating: 2
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ast time I checked, Wall Street and Iraq were both policies of an American elected idiot who destroyed the very things moderates tried to protect, balance.

These "policies" of Wall Street you THINK you know about are ones you should go back and check your facts on. These policies were actually put in place during the Clinton administration allow lenders to give loans to people with subpar credit. It was the democrats who enabled the mindset that everyone has a right to own a home, and got rid of the mindset that everyone has the right to an OPPORTUNITY to own a home.

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Russians, Cubans, and even Chinese people are probably happier on average even with less.

Have you looked around lately? Cubans would have to work 12 months straight without spending a dime just to afford to buy a cellular telephone. Chinese people work 16hr days in camps with very little pay and are restricted to how many children they can have. The average Russian and people of ex-Soviet states live in fear that the Russian government will kill them.

Ahh yes, how happy they are.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 6:45:11 PM , Rating: 5
You're thinking of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, introduced by Republicans, then passed by a veto-proof majority by a Republican-led Congress in 1999, which deregulated banking markets an allowed the introduction of these new unregulated financial instruments.

Don't try to blame Clinton. (Although you can blame plenty of Democrats who also voted for the bill.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Ac...

As for your conflating money with happiness, I'm not going to argue that point because I think the counterargument is self-evident.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Donkey2008 on 9/24/2008 12:38:26 AM , Rating: 5
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"You're thinking of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, introduced by Republicans..."

mdogs444 = owned

Advice - credibility generally goes downhill once you get caught trying to pass false information. That applies to both internet forums and real life. I'm sure your beloved Republican party will have 8 years to think about it while sitting on the bench.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Regs on 9/24/2008 8:34:46 AM , Rating: 5
And all this is because of Apple. Damn them, damn that Apple! No really, they're trying to compensate for their relatively small niche market by keeping it a relatively small niche market as much as possible. Brilliant marketing I might add (sarcasm).


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By clovell on 9/24/2008 11:43:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, which your guy above just got caught doing. Familiar with the term 'double-standard' at all?

Advice - no one gives a damn about political parties anymore - they all do the same thing - point their finger, scream, and get nothing done. Maybe if we drop the partisan BS, we can get ourselves out of this mess.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By tdawg on 9/24/2008 3:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly what we need. Thank you. Once people stop worrying about what letter comes behind the name of the person across from them and starts concerning themselves with the fact that that person across from them is a human being just like they are, we can actually start making some progress. We have to learn to stop yelling at each other and start working together before anything's going to get done in this country.

Congress won't get anything done until they learn to treat their colleagues like adults, rather than 5 year olds. The majority party needs to learn to stop abusing it's power and start working with everybody in that chamber. The American people have shown that we will change the balance of power if we don't like the way that power is being used. Congress never seems to learn from it's own history (the Democrats now, the Republicans before, or the Democrats before them).


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By tdawg on 9/24/2008 3:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like this got screwed up. This was in response to Clovell


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By clovell on 9/24/2008 11:38:59 AM , Rating: 2
Veto-proof? A bill has to be passed by both houses of Congress. 54-44 was the tally in the Senate - I grabbed that number from your link.

Thus, the bill was NOT passed by a 'veto-proof majority'.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/24/2008 4:11:53 PM , Rating: 2
The next paragraph in the link I provided:
quote:
The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8-1-1 ( Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) being the only U.S. Senator voting Present on the measure. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) being the only U.S. Senator reported as necessarily absent during the roll call and recorded as Not Voting on the measure.)[5][6] and in the House: 362-57-15. Without forcing a veto vote, this bipartisan, veto proof legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. [7]

Sometimes it pays to keep reading. The bill was passed 54-44 in the Senate, and by a hefty majority in the House. It then went to committee, where the differences were worked out, and it was resubmitted for a vote, where most of the Democrats in the Senate decided they would vote for it. Why? I don't know. The political winds shifted? Their concerns with the initial bill were fixed in the new version of the bill? Either way, the final bill was passed by a veto proof majority.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/24/2008 12:36:30 PM , Rating: 2
Of course you can blame the Republicans for this. They were in control, barely, of both houses of Congress. However, the measures were not just veto proof they were overwhelmingly supported. And Clinton signed it into law, at the very least implicitly approving of it. While his veto would have been symbolic due to the votes garnered, vetoes are often symbolic. The mere threat of a veto, even on measures widely supported, many times forces Congress to re-craft bills. BTW Biden voted for this bill.

You are also misrepresenting the purpose and effects of Gramm-Leach-Billey. The purpose of the act was too allow banks to offer other financial services, most prominently investment banking.

While there is a scattering of economists who believe this act is the impetus of the current meltdown far more point to Congressional mandated rules forcing mortgage brokers to offer subprime loans. And several times since Gramm-Leach-Bailey there have been bills proposed to change rules pertaining to these mortgages. They were all shot down, Congressmen Rangel and Frank being the main spokesmen for their defeat. The fear on those who opposed such regulatory bills is that it would limit minority and low income home owning opportunities.

The bundling of such mortgages allowed the flow of money to people who never before could have afforded homes. They also were a recipe for disaster as soon as there was any downturn in the economy. New accounting rules established after Enron and other corporate accounting scandals had the practical effect of bad mortgages ruining the value of the good mortgages they were bundled with. Equity collapsed, forcing a liquidity crunch, and here we are.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By dsx724 on 9/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 7:20:50 PM , Rating: 4
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i know people who've worked in developing countries for 14 hours a day and are proud of their hard work.

You can be proud to volunteer as a full time job. But it doesn't pay the bills or create happiness through wealth to survive in modern society.
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tough times make tougher people.

Then why do you want to redistribute wealth, instead of letting these peoples poor decisions make them tougher and create motivation to better themselves?
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china has a middle class rising faster than any in the world.

You know doesn't mean its larger, just that its growing. Also, there is a method in place that has to do with the GDP and population - you know, standard of living. Go ahead and calculate that for us.
quote:
if you compare china with india, you can see some of the benefits a totalitarian state and the one-child policy has had.

Taking away human rights does not give benefits no matter how you slice it. Law is not supposed to remove personal responsibility and judgement.
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israelis are probably on the cliff in terms of safety and yet you're saying they're not happy because their safety is threatened?

Big difference. Israel defends its people from harm...Russia threatens its people, and the people of former soviet states, with harm.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/24/2008 12:40:10 PM , Rating: 1
One broad measure of how happy people are with where they live is how many are looking to leave. Very few people are seeking to leave the U.S.. People risk death to leave China and Cuba. I think the inference that can be drawn is pretty obvious.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By FITCamaro on 9/23/2008 9:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Mike it goes all the way back to the Carter administration.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/09...


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By VaultDweller on 9/24/2008 8:28:43 AM , Rating: 2
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The average Russian and people of ex-Soviet states live in fear that the Russian government will kill them.


No. No, they don't. Maybe the Chechens and Dagestanians fear the Russian government, but they're hardly representative of the "average Russian."

Putin had the highest approval ratings of any democratically elected leader in the world during his time in presidential office. The Russian people are really quite happy with their rapid economic recovery and increasing standards of living.

Of course, the Germans were happy and in love with Hitler in the 30's, too, so approval ratings don't mean Putin is some kind of noble hero. But to say that the "average Russian" is in fear of the government? That's just BS rhetoric.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By michaelklachko on 9/24/2008 3:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
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The Russian people are really quite happy with their rapid economic recovery and increasing standards of living.


What are the average salaries in Russia? What are the costs of living? How about human rights? Social security?

How do you know what's life like in Russia?


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By BZDTemp on 9/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
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Even now they have better health care than the US making sure everybody gets good treatment.

You need to lay off the Michael Moore kool-aid.
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It takes two to tango and as far as I know more US spy planes went down over there than USSR ones did over the West.

Outside of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, how many spy planes are you aware of by enemy countries flying over US land?


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Spuke on 9/23/2008 7:23:42 PM , Rating: 2
Both of you guys are off your rockers. LOL! It's your fault, no it's your fault. How many recessions and tanked economies has the US had in its history? I can think of a few off hand just in my lifetime. Hell, the last one was just 7 years ago LOL! Who cares who's fault it is? Lessons will be learned and everyone will move on.

After the economy improves, both of you will forget what you're arguing about and go about your business of buying new rims for your Prius. But when it tanks again (it always does), I guess you'll both be on the internet blaming each other for it.

P.S. - Home sales in CA have eclipsed the 400k mark for 4 months in a row. Overall CA sales are up 43%. They're up 126% just in my area. That means there's quite a number of people buying homes. I wonder why I haven't seen that on the local news. Hmmmm.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 7:26:18 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Spuke - I agree! I just enjoy a good debate.

But don't ever...and I mean ever...insist that I'll buy "rims"...or a Prius for that matter! lol


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Runiteshark on 9/23/2008 10:35:17 PM , Rating: 2
Buy some rims and put them on your Prius that you will buy.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By FITCamaro on 9/23/2008 10:43:52 PM , Rating: 3
Because we're supposed to believe everything terrible. That way we're more accepting to electing someone who will have the government take over everything.

It's a great market right now to buy a home for people who can actually afford them. If I had the cash for a down payment, I'd be in a home. Luckily I'll be saving some money now, so I'll be saving for a down payment.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By nafhan on 9/24/2008 8:06:12 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah it is. I know a couple people who are doing quite well in real estate right now by purchasing foreclosed homes and renting them out... Even though market value is down a lot, there are a lot of homes that are selling below the current market value. So if you have good credit, it's a great time to buy.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By captainsparkle on 9/24/2008 7:13:19 AM , Rating: 2
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Outside of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, how many spy planes are you aware of by enemy countries flying over US land?


If we were aware of them, they would be pretty crap spies :-)


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By robinthakur on 9/25/2008 12:24:05 PM , Rating: 2
Aside from the fact that mdogs444 got completely shafted above trying to pass off the current economic snafu on Clinton's administration through rather obvious lies, I should point out that at this point China virtually owns all of the US economy and if it calls in its debt or rather removes its offers of equity, America will crumble :( Whilst the Iraq war and the current economy problems don't seem related, the negative effects of spending trillions of dollars on several never ending wars ultimately depresses the economy by raising the national debt, especially when you export far less than you import. The architects of the wars we are all mired in should have read Tolstoy, then perhaps they might have had the good sense not to have been so gung-ho. War and Peace is a fantastic book, if you've never read it btw.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By sprockkets on 9/24/2008 2:29:13 AM , Rating: 2
No, but spending money the government doesn't have means more lending, which means more money created and spent, which means the value of the dollar has been going down vs. the Euro, which means higher gas prices, which means higher prices for everything overall, which means contrary to what the Bush administration said, the war is paying Iraq, not us.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By nafhan on 9/24/2008 8:10:31 AM , Rating: 2
Strangely, a weaker dollar also means stronger sales of US exports, because relative prices are lower. Stronger export sales creates more jobs in the US. More jobs usually helps the economy...

Not to say I agree with the economic bailout. Just pointing out that there are also upsides to a weakening currency.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By FITCamaro on 9/24/2008 8:17:56 AM , Rating: 2
Look at China. They're keeping the value of their currency low for just this reason.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 6:30:10 PM , Rating: 2
And who exactly are you referring to when you say "living under communism." I'm not familiar with any large-scale communist enclaves to use as an example of the ideology at work. Are you sure you're not referring to living under socialism?


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
Modern day socialism and communism are really one and the same in my view. The only differences are the amount of private sector, or lack there of.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 6:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Riiiight. Because modern day Socialism resembles Communism in what way?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

There are Communist parties in charge of several notable Socialist countries, but that doesn't make the country Communist any more than having the Labour party in charge of Britain makes the government do work.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By CloudFire on 9/23/2008 6:02:26 PM , Rating: 3
the ideology is not stupid in theory, it's only stupid when carried out in real life because it doesn't work.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/24/2008 12:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the ideology is not stupid in theory, it's only stupid when carried out in real life because it doesn't work.


Ok, so an ideology that is so fundamentally flawed it cannot exist in real life is somehow not stupid?


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Newspapercrane on 9/23/2008 6:04:07 PM , Rating: 2
Brainwashed much?


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/23/2008 6:12:00 PM , Rating: 5
Communists, Democrats, Republicans let us not bicker amongst ourselves. Let us focus on the topic at hand -- the evil policies of Apple.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Bainne on 9/23/2008 6:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
Soooooo......

How about them Apples


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By fishbits on 9/23/2008 6:27:35 PM , Rating: 5
Perhaps, but you failed to take Darwinism into account: The "inherently good minded" communist rulers have a habit of slaughtering by the millions civilians who say otherwise. Thus what's left are those who say what they have to to survive, and the useful idiots and fellow travelers.

But yeah, it's extremely stupid, at best. And of course is a statement made by someone living happy, prosperous and free in the West.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Pirks on 9/23/2008 6:04:52 PM , Rating: 2
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communists are inherently good minded
Stalin would burst and die from laughter if he heard you.

Typical American morony cause by bad knowledge of the world history, also typical for Americans. Read some Victor Suvorov's books for beginners.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:12:16 PM , Rating: 2
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Typical American morony cause by bad knowledge of the world history, also typical for Americans.

Don't equate this guy with typical Americans. In case you haven't noticed, Russia & Cuba haven't exactly been added to our Myspace Friends list.

Americans know that communism is wrong, and have been fighting it for decades. Its just the far left loons in the American Society, who also believe that setting off bombs in your own country, agree with communism & socialism.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By adiposity on 9/24/2008 2:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
You are an idiot. People who believe in common property are the same as terrorists? I'm a capitalist, btw, but you are just an idiot.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By amanojaku on 9/23/2008 6:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
Communism has nothing to do with good or evil. It's goal is to promote material equality, where no one does without. That means a lazy bastard can take advantage of the efforts of others, which is just as "evil" as a capitalist society that ignores the plight of the helpless (like abandoned children) and weak (like the physically disabled.)

As for Apple purifying their users, show me the proof. So far it seems like Apple is trying to squash competition and keep it quiet. Even if the ends are "pure" the methods are "tainted."


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By sgw2n5 on 9/23/2008 6:21:58 PM , Rating: 3
Like clockwork.

Do yourself a favor and actually read up on some of the ideology (or even better, the actual policies) that you think you have a firm grasp of. You might be surprised.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By someguy123 on 9/23/2008 6:47:39 PM , Rating: 2
the hell does that have to do with democrats, other than the right to bear arms? you're talking about lunatics here, and there's plenty of em in all parties.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:57:15 PM , Rating: 2
Banning military recruiting center - democrat city council of Berkeley.

Friends with domestic terrorists - Barack Obama & William Ayers

Gay group invading Catholic mass - not denounced or dealt with by Democrat Mayer Gavin Newsome. In fact, he has even gone as far as to say he was not against it.

Would you like me to add more?

How about democrats backing illegal immigrants and providing help as sanctuary cities? How many more people need to be killed by illegals who have been arrested and set free again on American soil?

Cmon man, wake up. The base of the democratic party is migrating further and further towards a far left fringe group. It is no longer the same democratic party of yesterday.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By sviola on 9/24/08, Rating: 0
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By robinthakur on 9/25/2008 12:44:50 PM , Rating: 2
OK, you are a bit too far right for my liking, and I regard myself as a Conservative. This verges on fascism and the misinformation it spread to gain support. Hitler also picked on Gays, immigrants etc. (targetted them for gassing/torture etc.) and capitalised on the German people's mistrust and fear of the rest of the world to get his way. Try smiling and not taking this popularity contest so seriously. What the hell is wrong with people in the US today?? I remember you guys were all friendly when I was a kid growing up in the UK...and don't you dare answer 9/11 lol


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 7:01:28 PM , Rating: 4
Turning the plight of Terry Schiavo's husband into a political game, bombing abortion clinics, blacklisting 'communist sympatizers' without due process, spying on Americans who don't agree with Republican policy, trying to tear families apart (immigration policy), hooking up with men in bathrooms, hitting on underage male congressional pages, leaking the name of a CIA operative... Should I keep going?

Nothing about Republicans surprises me any more.

Look, no party has a claim to perfect justice. It's human nature to ignore the faults of a group you affiliate yourself with and only see the faults of the groups you don't affiliate yourself with. Try to recognize that and adjust for it.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 7:14:33 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Turning the plight of Terry Schiavo's husband into a political game, bombing abortion clinics, blacklisting 'communist sympatizers' without due process, spying on Americans who don't agree with Republican policy, trying to tear families apart (immigration policy), hooking up with men in bathrooms, hitting on underage male congressional pages, leaking the name of a CIA operative... Should I keep going?


Tearing apart families who have no right to be here, and have already violated US law?

Leaking the name of a CIA operative, referring to the commuted sentence by Bush...but lets go ahead and look at the favor Clinton did for William Ayers who set of bombs in the US and his membership in a group that set of bombs which killed police officers.

No one "hooked up" in a bathroom. I'm not a fan of Larry Craig, but to insist he did something unlawful is flat out wrong.

Wait - you mean you sympathize with the "communist sympathizers"? Go figure.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 7:44:26 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Tearing apart families who have no right to be here, and have already violated US law?

Actually, I was referring to families whose children have U.S. citizenship thanks to being born here - i.e., they have a right to be here, and haven't violated any law. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with the Constitution of the United States of America, which clearly states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..." (the 14th Amendment)

quote:
Leaking the name of a CIA operative, referring to the commuted sentence by Bush...but lets go ahead and look at the favor Clinton did for William Ayers who set of bombs in the US and his membership in a group that set of bombs which killed police officers.

Let's not stray from the point. Guilt by association is not the same as actually being guilty. Being soft on criminals is not the same as actually being a criminal. Ford pardoned Nixon. That doesn't make Ford as bad as Nixon. Bush pardoning somebody who jeopardized national security (or so right-wingers would spin it if the same thing had happened under a democrat) doesn't make Bush as bad as Libby. Bush taking Qadhafi off the state-sponsored terrorism list doesn't make him as bad as Qadhafi. (Aside: Oooh, notice how nicely that parallel lines up? Qadhafi sucked - he was a terrorist. But now he's doing pretty good work, so we should be supportive. Just like Ayers, who has been involved in lots of social programs through the 90's, despite his sordid radical past.) But anyway, my point is, let's stick to people who are guilty of crimes and belong to the parties we're attacking. Ayers was not a democrat when he was involved in his radical left-wing movement.

quote:
No one "hooked up" in a bathroom. I'm not a fan of Larry Craig, but to insist he did something unlawful is flat out wrong.
And trying to name a sewage center after the president isn't unlawful either. I figured we were using yardstick of 'improper', not 'illegal'. I notice, however, that you totally skipped over Congressman Foley's pedophilia.

quote:
Wait - you mean you sympathize with the "communist sympathizers"? Go figure.
I was referring to the non-communist sympathizers who were swept up in the net. Although I fully support the right of any communist sympathizer who wants to change the U.S. through legal means (through the democratic process - constitutional reform, for instance) to pursue that goal without fear of reprisal from the government.

The idea that if we catch a few bad guys, it's okay to have a bunch of innocent people in the net as well seems to be okay for a lot of Republican supporters. See Guantanamo Bay, for instance, where more than 800 people were taken, and approximately 1/10th of that number are hoped to be actually tried for criminal acts or violations of the law of war.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By FITCamaro on 9/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/24/2008 4:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Please leave our country.

So you are against democracy? You're against freedom of speech? You've never heard the saying, "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? (Sometimes the French say some pretty smart things.) I don't know what you've done to deserve to stay, but I'm a g*d* Iraq War veteran. I support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. And I understand that that Constitution has a method in place for its modification, such that if there are people (even communists) who wish to change how our country operates, they can use peaceful, democratic means to try to effect that change. I'm not going to vote for that change. But I support their right to campaign for that change without fear of repression by the government.

As for Guantanamo, I also happened to have served with the Joint Task Force there, and am intimately familiar with the legal precedent for keeping the detainees who were actually engaged in combat against U.S. forces until the cessation of hostilities. However, of the more than 600 detainees released from GTMO, only a handful have 'returned to the fight' (although it's questionable as to whether many of them were really in the fight before they were captured).

As for executing those who are captured, you can be for that all you want, but you should know that it's a violation of the law of war. Prisoners of War and Unlawful Enemy Combatants are entitled to protection and a certain level of care.

They are, in fact, within the bounds of our legal system. The administration assumed they weren't, but the Supreme Court has said they are, and they are the Supreme Law of the Land. Live with it. They may not deserve the same privileges as us, but they deserve those universal human rights. I may someday read "Men in Black." But I'll ask you to read the half-dozen pages that make up the U.S. Constitution first. Supreme Court > you.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/24/2008 1:02:43 PM , Rating: 1
While McCarthy was an asshole he was an asshole with plenty of company, including the Kennedy boys. Interesting side not, McCarthy dated a Kennedy girl.
Your point on the 14th amendment is interesting. The purpose of the amendment was to give citizenship rights to former slaves. At the time no one thought it gave such rights to the children of foreign nationals just because the birth took place in the United States. This right has evolved, although as of yet there has never been a Supreme Court ruling specifically granting children of foreign nationals born in the United States citizenship rights.
Beyond that, deporting illegal aliens with American citizen children does not breakup families. Because those families are perfectly free to take their children with them. And those children, being American citizens, are perfectly free to return when they reach their age of majority. If the families breakup it is because the families made the decision to do so.
Frankly, I am somewhat loathe to apply strict deportation policies to people we implicitly encouraged to come in. While we wanted their labor we were happy to wink and nod and let them be. Now, that that labor has become problematic we are rushing to kick them out. I’d be much happier with sealing the border completely and letting the problem solve itself through time and attrition.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/24/2008 4:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
I'm fully aware of the 14th Amendment, and its passage to nullify Dred Scott. The reason it hasn't gone to the Supreme Court lately is because the wording is self-evident, and in concurrence with U.S. law as passed by Congress.

Maybe you missed the tone and point of the post, which was to put the most negative spin on Republic policies and actions as possible, solely to refute mdogs' anti-Dem rhetoric. I know full well that all of the statements made can be tempered with a full explanation and the application of logic.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By JustTom on 9/25/2008 12:37:04 AM , Rating: 2
The reason I replied to your post instead of mdogs is I believed yours worthy of reply.

I disagree with you on the 14th Amendment. Contemporaneous discussion specifically refuted the idea that the 14th dealt with children of foreign nationals. As to why it has never been decided by the Supreme Court I have no idea why. Perhaps no one with standing has ever pushed it that far. Or perhaps the Court has not had a case it thought was worthy of hearing. Or perhaps you are correct and they believe the meaning is self-evident. Remember, the Court just now decided what the 1st Amendment’s right to bear arms meant.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Ordr on 9/23/2008 6:12:15 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
communists are inherently good minded.

Stealing the product of my individual labor for use by the state is not "good minded".


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By filipenko on 9/24/2008 2:33:09 AM , Rating: 4
I lived in Yugoslavia, that was under communist regime of Josip Broz Tito for 40 years. That country was big, powerfull, and rich. Most of all, people were happy, efficient state provided almost everything, due to the great work of police or army we had almost no criminals, organized crime was non-existent. Education was excellent, there were always jobs, there were good opportunities.

Most of all, we had bigger production, bigger pays, had good industry.

Then democratic regimes came, nationalists destroyed that country and went into wars. Now we have 2-5 times less everything and we are gonna spend some years more, if not decades, just to reach the level of production we had in 1989.

Not all communists were bad, you know.

As for how the Russians instigated Cold War...I have no words for how stupid that is. Actually, "evil" communism developed in Russia thanks to the democratic west, which was ready to do anything just to stop socialism to knock on its door. Everything was allowed, from directly attacking red army and supporting autocratic forces of former tzar (under whom masses literally had nothing to eat), to supporing Poland and Hitler to stop the threat. Soviet Union was under extreme preassure from its beggining, it's no wonder they created "dictatorship communism".

In Yugoslavia it was different, since it had support from both east (maintain communism to some extent) and west (dont develop a worse form of communism). So, now people from all former Yugoslav republics agree that "those were the better days". Sad, but true.

There are some countries that are literally making communistic and socialistic ideals possible today because of their socialist parties that rule over them. Like Norway, for example. Are you going to bomb Norway, or is it OK since they have elections?

P.S. two parties switching places of power every 8 years? Sure, its far better than communism. It would be better to use all that money spen on those morrons on better health care, education, etc.

P.P.S. sure, everyone in the world needs 4 houses, 7 automobiles and 4362 credits...Understand, there aren't many who want to be Americans. And stop killing people for just to maintain low price on that f****ng oil, please.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Oralen on 9/24/2008 4:08:23 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you.

Reading this hopeless debate between americans who believe the rest of the world does'nt exist or does'nt matter, and who are so entrenched in their belief that america is the greatest that they forget the OTHER 6 billion people who do not agree with them...

It was making me sad.

Good of you to remind them that the ideas in wich they believe in are just that: ideas.

And that nobody else in the world thinks like that.

Hence the excellent state of the current american diplomacy. (Also known as: "Let's Bomb the F**cks Who Disagree With Us Diplomacy")


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By captainsparkle on 9/24/2008 7:18:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In Yugoslavia it was different, since it had support from both east (maintain communism to some extent) and west (dont develop a worse form of communism). So, now people from all former Yugoslav republics agree that "those were the better days". Sad, but true.


I have heard a lot of people (mostly artists, to be fair) from former East Germany say the same thing.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By sviola on 9/24/2008 8:05:56 AM , Rating: 1
Nice reply. Wonder why the republicans posting from their arses did not reply to it...


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By FITCamaro on 9/24/2008 8:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
Communism is always great for those who do the bare minimum. You get everything free. You get a job that pays just as much as the doctor who went to school for 8-10 years.

I have a friend who grew up in Soviet Russia. I assure you he paints a less than pleasant picture you provide. His grandfather was one of those "they come for you in the middle of the night and you disappear" cases. His family sold everything they had to escape to the US, risking death, when he was 12.

Yes communism or a dictatorship can work. But the fact is that humans are inherently greedy. They always want more than those around them. So a system that makes everyone be the same doesn't work. There will be those who abuse it or who work to make sure they have more.

I mean really if you look at shows like Star Trek, its communism. No poor, no hungry, no money. Everyone has what they needs. It would be great if the world worked like that but it doesn't. And really I don't think it should. I'm not for denying anyone anything. But I don't think it should be handed to them. Because where's the incentive then? Look at rich kids for example. They're often given whatever they want. They have no sense of value because it didn't cost them anything. And many just think they can coast through life because everything will be provided. Went to school with plenty of kids like that. That's communism.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By clovell on 9/24/2008 12:06:23 PM , Rating: 2
So, in clarifying and debunking the stereotypes Americans have against communism, you commit the same fallacy and stereotype Americans. how 'American' does that make you?

Maybe you were just trying to show us that it's not fun. I guess I can get that. It doesn't exactly bolster your point, though.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By VultureTX on 9/24/2008 1:54:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I lived in Yugoslavia, t... That country was big, powerfull, and rich. Most of all, people were happy, efficient state provided almost everything, due to the great work of police or army we had almost no criminals, organized crime was non-existent. Education was excellent, there were always jobs, there were good opportunities.


Well rich in comparison to how it is now I guess, against most EU it was poor. And thanks to all those police no public criticism for being a downtrodden minority. public rallies meant a quick arrest. Racism was not tolerated by the Yugoslavian state, but was not stopped on the indiviual level. And after Tito go out, it really became racist.

As for education, please making everyone educated to a GED level and knowing 3 languages is good. The problem is some of those were called engineers. And they were not educated to any western standard for an engineer. The Yugo was their ultimate export of engineering and while better than a Soviet Lata?sp? , it is a joke in comparison to Japan/US/Europe/ designs of the time.

There is no good form of communism above the village level, it has never existed. Claiming that Yugoslavia was better than the Soviets while true still does not excuse the stasi putting a boot in you back.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By gamerk2 on 9/24/2008 8:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is now on the same level as M$ and EA. How the mighty have fallen.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Denigrate on 9/24/2008 10:24:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
communism is inherently good minded


Fixed it for you. No human is inherently good minded. Communism works in small collectives, but has never been implemented in it's pure form at the Nation level.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By BigPeen on 9/23/2008 6:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
How does this fall under an NDA. Do you have to sign an NDA to submit an app to the Apple store? Anyone know how this works? Sounds a bit flimsy.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By mdogs444 on 9/23/2008 6:18:09 PM , Rating: 2
You submit your application to Apple, they determine whether it can or cannot be put on their store. If they reject it, then you are not allowed to disclose the reason why. I'm sure there is a stipulation in the application you originally signed that allows them to do this.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By foolsgambit11 on 9/23/2008 6:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
Communist would imply a decentralized leadership structure, where the true power lay completely in the peoples' hands. I think you meant Apple=Fascist. I would even let Apple=Socialist slip by, despite the irony of applying it to a for-profit institution, since there are several historical examples of fascist socialist countries.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Quiescent on 9/23/2008 11:25:37 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly.

Apple == Proprietary == nazi. They have you wrapped up in a "good working" product like hitler would have you wrapped up in the thought that jews are evil and bad and make you fork out money all your life you own an apple product and give you nothing back. Then they try to trick you into thinking they're good by using things like giving you $100 gift certificates at an apple-only store! Don't forget those awfully priced extended ONE year warranty, sorry they don't have anything better available, and if they did, it'd probably cost about 2-5x more then a one year extended warranty.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By Nik00117 on 9/24/2008 2:27:33 AM , Rating: 2
If I got a NDA notice from Apple my response would be simple "fuck you" then i'd blast the notice all over the web and go "sue me"


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By tuteja1986 on 9/24/2008 8:03:30 AM , Rating: 3
Republican :!

Crazy fanatical fanboys :!

Err Imagen 10 years from if apple get 50% + market share :( ... You think Microsoft was a bad monolopy , wait for apple.


RE: Must obey Steve Jobs
By adiposity on 9/24/2008 2:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
uh, no, capitalist perhaps, monopolistic perhaps, fascist capitalistic perhaps, but I don't see them creating any communes.


Still the same good ol' Apple
By MrWho on 9/23/2008 6:19:39 PM , Rating: 5
Now that's the Apple I've grown to know! I knew they weren't going to let me down. \o/

[/sarcasm]




RE: Still the same good ol' Apple
By lennylim on 9/23/2008 6:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
Have no fear. Apple will turn around and say that is a mistake to muzzle developers, and be hailed as the greatest company in the history of humankind.

And for the humor impaired : [/sarcasm]


RE: Still the same good ol' Apple
By someguy123 on 9/23/2008 6:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
well since this is the only thread actually on topic; this makes no sense to me. why would you want to hide the reasons why you declined an app? the only reasons I can think of declining an app are:

it's not intuitive
it's not useful
it's ugly
if it's a game, it's not fun or it's ugly
it drains too much battery power

what else can there be? this NDA is pretty much like saying that things are being denied unethically.


By inighthawki on 9/23/2008 7:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
Whether the reason has to do with those reasons or not, it's still counter-intuitive. You should embrace all the developers you can get. If people don't want the application or do not like it because of those features, they will let others know through simple communication and down-rating.
Even those issues should not be a reason to try and silence or exclude anyone from being known.


By Diesel Donkey on 9/23/2008 7:17:10 PM , Rating: 5
Perhaps you're missing the most important reason:

-does what a built-in app is supposed to do, only better, faster, etc.


RE: Still the same good ol' Apple
By MonkeyPaw on 9/23/2008 10:37:03 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Now that's the Apple I've grown to know! I knew they weren't going to let me down.


Actually, Apple is innovating yet again by making their complicated EULA easier to accept and understand. The approach is ingenious and shows exactly what Apple is all about. This breathtaking solution is coming in the next iPhone update. So not only will the update include fixes to bugs and minor problems, but users will notice a change to the "unlock" feature of the iPhone. No longer will the "unlock" move left-to-right, but instead will slide up. Not only that, the slider requires you to use your middle finger, and you must look directly at the phone to unlock it. Just look at your iPhone, place your middle finger on the screen, and point up! Once this simple motion has been mastered by the user, no longer will it be necessary to read and understand the EULA--the answer is given every time the phone is used!


RE: Still the same good ol' Apple
By FITCamaro on 9/23/2008 11:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
This deserves a 6!


By SpaceRanger on 9/25/2008 11:35:32 AM , Rating: 2
I agree... this one has "6" written all over it!


Obey...
By fuser197 on 9/23/2008 7:16:51 PM , Rating: 2
Your Lord, God, and Savior, the Almighty Jobs have spoken.




RE: Obey...
By louzamos on 9/23/2008 7:37:26 PM , Rating: 3
I for oneWelcome our new Apple masters.
They're better than our former M$ master cause they have more style :)
/sarcasm


RE: Obey...
By inighthawki on 9/23/2008 7:39:27 PM , Rating: 3
Now this is just my opinion, but I don't understand the whole apple style thing. Other than the simplistic look of the iTouch, I think of of their stuff looks pretty appalling to look at, from the visual style of their operating system, to the design of their hardware and cases. But whatever, i guess some people do in fact like them. Good post though btw lol


RE: Obey...
By captainsparkle on 9/24/2008 7:21:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I for oneWelcome our new Apple masters. They're better than our former M$ master cause they have more style :) /sarcasm


Yes, but they make me buy a bunch of new shirts.


RE: Obey...
By psychobriggsy on 9/23/2008 8:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
Judging from even the responses by the users on MacRumors, who are typically all quite frothy about Apple, I think they're starting to change religion ... although I think they hope His Almighty Jobs will smite a group of senior managers who are making some really bad decisions.

Rules like this will do NOTHING at all to encourage developers to write applications for the device. Those that get rejected after spending significant time developing an application will probably never write an application for any Apple device again, or even buy or recommend them ever again. So instead of having an AppStore full of exciting applications that do loads of stuff, you get amateur applications and quick-to-develop applications. Who is going to risk spending time writing software for AppStore indeed! Not when Android is out there, with a more popular base language and familiar libraries.


RE: Obey...
By Quiescent on 9/24/2008 10:38:29 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, trying to make mac users change is like trying to convince someone that the drugs they're doing is destroying their brain. They will complain about it all, but they will still bow down to the almighty steve jobs.


RE: Obey...
By jimbojimbo on 9/24/2008 11:08:14 AM , Rating: 2
No, they'll keep developing but they'll put it up on Cydia.


RE: Obey...
By lifeblood on 9/24/2008 9:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
I see I made the right decision. I really like the iPhone and was strongly leaning toward getting one. I haven't because I want a more open platform where I can choose between multiple apps, even those that do the same thing. I want choice.

That's fine, Apple. I see the first Android based smartphones are nearing release. The ones I've seen previewed look pretty nice.

I have a choice, and it's not going to be iPhone.


Just because they say so?
By BigToque on 9/23/2008 7:44:42 PM , Rating: 5
If you don't agree to and sign an NDA, why does it matter if Apple says the contents of the letter are under NDA?




RE: Just because they say so?
By kelmon on 9/24/2008 3:41:27 AM , Rating: 3
The problem is that all iPhone developers are required to agree to the NDA before they can develop applications for the App Store. Given this, if you have received a rejection letter then you must have agreed to the NDA.

Of course, I have to wonder what Apple would do, if anything, if you broke the NDA by disclosing the contents of the rejection letter. The chances are that by this point you'll be thoroughly annoyed at Apple and have no intention of continuing development for the iPhone, so unless they are planning to take you to court then the risks are probably pretty low.


RE: Just because they say so?
By jimbojimbo on 9/24/2008 11:09:57 AM , Rating: 2
Um, it's Apple. Of course they're going to take you to court and of course they're going to take your money. First they'll take all the money you may have made from sales of your app and then a ton more just to boot.


Oh Dear
By kelmon on 9/24/2008 3:53:11 AM , Rating: 2
Having gone to all the trouble of building a great little device it seems a shame that Apple now wants to set fire to its platform and really annoy the very people that they need to make it successful. So far they have managed to:

1. Annoy Mac developers used to an open community by maintaining a Non Disclosure Agreement after the iPhone 3G and App Store were released so they can't share coding tips 'n' tricks, or publish books on the subject.

2. Annoy developers who have worked to the published guidelines by rejecting applications that contravened unpublished guidelines.

3. Annoy developers by attempting (badly) to stifle "bad news".

At a minimum, news like this is going to repel developers interested in making applications for the iPhone until Apple clarifies exactly what is and what is not allowed since it is clear that the current guidelines are incomplete. Until that happens no developer can be sure that the investment they make into an application is going to generate any sort of return. At the maximum, I can see Apple being taken to court for anti-competitive behavior. You cannot provide a supposedly open platform and then deny developers the opportunity to compete with Apple's own applications.

As the old adage goes, "when you are in a hole, stop digging."




RE: Oh Dear
By Aloonatic on 9/24/2008 4:07:41 AM , Rating: 2
Those are all good points, but what do they have to do with communism, which is what this article is all about?

Oh wait...

Hang on....

This article is about Apple, I thought my memory was playing tricks on me by the time I got to the bottom of the page after trawling through countless unrelated comments :)

I blame the Republican Party and George W Bush, well, why not?

Oh, and communism of course :D


RE: Oh Dear
By kelmon on 9/25/2008 2:42:39 AM , Rating: 2
Hmm, apparently this particular issue with the App Store might not be all that it's cracked up to be. While the "under NDA" rejection letter is probably genuine it seems that this isn't new to letters to Apple developers. Apparently this boilerplate text has appeared on some letters sent to Apple Developer Connection (ADC) members for years, although the reason why it appears on some letters and not all is not immediately clear. However, given this it remains to be seen whether this App Store rejection represents a new policy at Apple or not.


By michal1980 on 9/24/2008 8:30:30 AM , Rating: 2
IMHO, that non-discolure notice, is not worth the email it was sent in.

You have to agree to non-diclosure terms BEFORE starting a project, rather then after.

Its like talking to a reportor, if you want something Off the record, you tell them that BEFORE you talk to them. Not after.

Apple is up the creek without a pedal here.

Oh, and there acting more like a monopoly then M$ ever did. Sure M$ bundled Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer with Windows, But they never had the balls to tell other developers: Sorry, your application duplicates ours.




By kelmon on 9/24/2008 9:20:25 AM , Rating: 2
The NDA was already signed by the developer before the application is submitted to the App Store for approval - the rejection email does not constitute the NDA. Whether the NDA can actually be enforced, however, remains to be seen and I'd like to see this tested.

With respect to the monopoly aspect, I think the correct term is anti-competitive. In some ways Microsoft was guilty of similar practices by withholding information about Windows that enabled them to develop applications with unfair advantages over competitors. Apple is being much more blatant about it and I am surprised that no one there has put a stop to this since it is obvious that this can end up going to court. Since Apple controls which applications can or cannot be run on the platform they are undoubtably guilty of anti-competitive behavior. Microsoft was much sneakier.


No ND without the A
By SinistarX on 9/24/2008 11:47:21 AM , Rating: 2
Without an agreement between both parties, there's no non-disclosure agreement.




RE: No ND without the A
By JustTom on 9/26/2008 12:43:02 PM , Rating: 2
You are correct. However, Apple does have a pretty big stick to wave: ability to ban developers from their store.


Thats why
By mer2329 on 9/23/2008 8:02:53 PM , Rating: 3
now that's why i own a zune




Dear Apple,
By SiliconAddict on 9/23/2008 11:01:46 PM , Rating: 2
Go to hell, and take your building with you in burning flames.




Tech Mafia
By smilingcrow on 9/24/2008 9:44:24 AM , Rating: 2
You gotta love Comrade Steve; he’s a very funny guy (unintentionally of course).
If you don’t approve of his ideology just don’t buy Apple products, but remember not to voice your disapproval or you may end up in the Apple Landfill along with tens of millions of iPod batteries. Maybe those batteries were ‘designed’ to fail so that they could be used to hide the disposed bodies of those not towing the party line.
When Apple start buying companies that make industrial ovens or supply gas, that’s the time to expect the Jobs’ push for world domination, or maybe they’ll open a factory in Poland first.




Grow a Pair
By clovell on 9/24/2008 11:32:09 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously. Just because someone sends you a letter with 'NDA' spelled out, there's no obligation to obey it. NDA's have to be signed and agreed upon.




Jobs
By overlandpark4me on 9/26/2008 1:14:46 AM , Rating: 2
Now you know where the phrase, you've been jobbed comes from when you get screwed over




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