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It was discovered in iOS 7 beta 4

The upcoming iPhone running iOS 7 may feature a biometric fingerprint sensor, according to a new leak.

A new folder -- called "BiometricKitUI" -- was discovered in iOS 7 beta 4. The following image is the code found in the folder:


The user interface for the fingerprint scanning feature is reportedly already finished. It's unclear exactly what it'll be used for, but some have speculated that it could be for a payment system or even simply unlocking the iPhone. 

Apple has had a lot of iPhone-related news as of late, including impressive Q3 2013 iPhone sales of 31.2 million (beating Wall Street expectations of 26 million); testing of different iPhone screen sizes for next year, like 4.7-inch and 5.7-inch versions, and the release of a budget iPhone model that will be made of plastic and come in a variety of colors. 

IOS 7, the next generation of the iOS operating system for the iPhone, will be released this fall. 

Source: 9 to 5 Mac



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Novel idea?
By MrMaringer on 7/29/2013 5:22:22 PM , Rating: 4
Wow, how incredibly innovative!

(He said, looking at his 2-year-old Atrix with its own fingerprint scanner)

To be fair, I'm surprised that the technology never really took off before now, but I'll be amused when Apple start advertising the unique and novel biometric capabilities of their iPhone X(s).




RE: Novel idea?
By retrospooty on 7/29/2013 5:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
I didn't know it had that... And here I thought for once Apple innovated something LOL. I should have known better.


RE: Novel idea?
By Gio6518 on 7/29/2013 6:07:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And here I thought for once Apple innovated something

Nope, never has, never will

10years ago the iPAQ 5555 had it

quote:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ipaq5555.htm


RE: Novel idea?
By Gio6518 on 7/29/2013 6:02:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wow, how incredibly innovative!


2yr-old-Atrix....I had a 6 year old win mobile that had that......


RE: Novel idea?
By tayb on 7/29/13, Rating: -1
RE: Novel idea?
By Dorkyman on 7/30/2013 12:39:43 AM , Rating: 2
Apple breathlessly announces yet another "incredible" new feature that's neither incredible nor new, and then the sheeple fall all over themselves marveling at what geniuses those gods in Cupertino are. THAT gets my panties in a wad.


RE: Novel idea?
By captainBOB on 7/30/2013 4:09:08 AM , Rating: 2
Last I checked Apple hasn't announced any mobile device with Biometric features yet. Only that someone has found an API that deals with interfacing with a biometric system.

If there is such a device with said feature, they will probably announce it as a passing feature without any of the ridiculous fanfare you seem to imagine, fingerprint scanning on a phone, as has already been pointed out, is hardly new.

If there's at least one thing to look foward to if this is the case, it is that Apple will at least get people to actually USE the damn stuff. Up to this point fingerprint scanners are just a bullet point in consumer devices, and it shows.


RE: Novel idea?
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 8:28:59 AM , Rating: 5
Lol if you imagine Steve Jobs putting this on the iphone 3 when it came out and didn't work properly. Steve would've told you that your fingerprint is wrong.


RE: Novel idea?
By tayb on 7/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: Novel idea?
By djdjohnson on 7/30/2013 1:51:51 PM , Rating: 2
The problem isn't so much with the marketing... it is with the unquestioning, loyal fanbase that ASSUMES that because Steve, or Tim, or whoever announces something as if it is new that it is actually new and innovative and hasn't been done before.

So while it is probably wrong for the marketing folks to insinuate that something is new, it is just as wrong for users to believe and perpetuate that lie. Blame is found at both ends of the chain.


RE: Novel idea?
By Solandri on 7/30/2013 7:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
I posted on this before.
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Looks+to+Scoop+up+I...

Apple didn't come up with this. They bought the company that did - Authentec - last year. Then they screwed over every laptop company that had bought Authentec's hardware by putting out one final software release and discontinuing all future support. Just so it could be an Apple exclusive.
http://www.authentec.com/a/DiscontinuedProducts.as...

Normally I don't have a problem with a bigger company buying a smaller company and making its products exclusive to their products. But dropping support for past and existing customers is just low.


RE: Novel idea?
By Gio6518 on 7/30/2013 8:59:35 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is a scumbag company

They don't help further technology. .. . And then when companies like Motorola Samsung, Nokia etc that spend billions on R&D to further the industry. .. Scumbag crApple cries FRAND so they don't have to contribute to the companies cost of REAL INNOVATION. ...


RE: Novel idea?
By adrift02 on 7/30/2013 1:19:30 AM , Rating: 3
You know why you haven't seen it take off? Because the actual "experience" using these devices has never been that great. Apple doesn't innovate with amazing ideas or features, it just implements them better than competitors. If they do roll something out like this I'm sure it will be extremely smooth and easy to use, unlike even most laptop readers. And that's why you'll see all of the casual users "blown away" by this crazy new "thing" Apple did. Credit where it's due. ;-)


RE: Novel idea?
By kknd1967 on 7/30/13, Rating: 0
RE: Novel idea?
By macca007 on 7/30/2013 3:29:57 AM , Rating: 2
You must be the worlds oldest man then, Since Electric cars were around way back in the 1800's.


RE: Novel idea?
By web2dot0 on 7/30/2013 2:56:52 AM , Rating: 2
The question is whether you can get finger printing technology towards mass adaptation. That's the challenge moron. Anybody can build a prototype or deploy in a small scale.

If Apple does go for this technology, they will be entirely different challenges. People are gonna try to hack it and break it. They have to withstand scrutiny. The last thing you want is people stealing your personal information because they hacked your finger prints.

It's much tougher challenge than it's predecessors. Why do you think no one else got the formula right? Do you think it's because it's so simple that people didn't want to spend time doing it? :-D


RE: Novel idea?
By PrinceGaz on 7/30/2013 6:53:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The last thing you want is people stealing your personal information because they hacked your finger prints.

...or they hacked your finger off.


RE: Novel idea?
By melgross on 7/30/2013 10:57:15 AM , Rating: 2
You watch too many movies.


RE: Novel idea?
By Alexstarfire on 7/30/2013 2:58:20 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, considering someone can take your fingerprint relatively easily I feel this is a lot less secure than having a password. If someone steals your phone it's likely going to have a fingerprint on it. Current phones are fingerprint magnets.


RE: Novel idea?
By damianrobertjones on 7/30/2013 8:12:53 AM , Rating: 2
Remember they'll call it something catchy and new and people will fall for it (like the Retina name)


RE: Novel idea?
By Dorkyman on 7/30/2013 6:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
iFinger. Copyright be me, right now, with you guys as witnesses.

Apple, I triple-dog-dare you to steal it without paying me...ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!


RE: Novel idea?
By melgross on 7/30/2013 10:55:30 AM , Rating: 2
It hasn't worked reliably before.All too often, they will allow any fingerprint through.


RE: Novel idea?
By BZDTemp on 7/31/2013 9:51:02 AM , Rating: 2
It makes sense - since one can't use an iPhone with gloves on they have to find an upside now that others(Nokia) has made wearing gloves an option - which btw. is very nice in clod weather :-)


This is kind of cool.
By retrospooty on 7/29/2013 5:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming it works fast and easy, its a great security feature. Not necessarily for normal home users, but for enterprise users its a great sellpoint.

All they need now is a larger screen with higher res and DPI and it would be on my short list.




RE: This is kind of cool.
By MozeeToby on 7/29/2013 5:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
It won't though. Or more accurately, if it does work fast and easy you'd be a fool to trust it with anything at all. Even industrial grade finger print scanners have been repeatedly shown to be little more than snake oil, able to be bypassed with such high technology as photocopying a print and licking it.


RE: This is kind of cool.
By testerguy on 7/30/2013 12:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
Right, because all criminals are walking around with photocopies of my finger prints and my mobile phone....


RE: This is kind of cool.
By Reclaimer77 on 7/30/2013 2:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Right, because all criminals are walking around with photocopies of my finger prints and my mobile phone....


I don't need a copy of your fingerprints! You've left dozens of perfectly good fingerprints on your phone already just from normal use.

Once I steal your phone, it's child's play to lift those prints and gain access.

What's so hard about this?


RE: This is kind of cool.
By testerguy on 7/31/2013 5:52:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's child's play to lift those prints and gain access


Such a vacuous claim. We haven't even seen how secure this system is yet.

And a typical criminal would not at all know how to lift fingerprints from a phone, or to determine which fingerprint is from which finger and to successfully capture that to trick a biometric system.


RE: This is kind of cool.
By ipay on 7/29/2013 10:46:41 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
its a great security feature


I think you mean "it's a great way for the NSA to fill in the remaining holes of their fingerprint catalog".


RE: This is kind of cool.
By Donkey2008 on 7/30/2013 12:03:25 AM , Rating: 2
+1


RE: This is kind of cool.
By raphd on 7/30/2013 1:53:57 AM , Rating: 2
i logged in just to rate this at 2am...


RE: This is kind of cool.
By retrospooty on 7/30/2013 8:53:18 AM , Rating: 2
gasp!


RE: This is kind of cool.
By Shadowself on 7/30/2013 9:22:26 AM , Rating: 2
They already have my finger prints...
and my palm prints
and my knuckle prints
and my foot prints
and my dental records
and my DNA map
and my retina prints
and my iris prints
and my voice prints
and my Kirlian energy patterns
and my EEG patterns
and my EKG patterns

I guess them knowing my fingerprint (thumbprint) is used on my phone is no big deal.


FML
By BRB29 on 7/30/2013 9:30:58 AM , Rating: 3
Me: this biometric scanner isn't working right
Steve J: you're using the wrong finger

Me: I tried all 10
Steve J: Your fingerprints are wrong

Me: how?
Steve J: You have the wrong fingers

Me: wtf steve
Steve J: don't worry out new DNA scanner launching next year will be even better. Iphone5 will prick you for blood every time you want to unlock your phone

Me: How is this better?
Steve J: Because it'll be affordable at $499 for a 32GB model. It's cheap because we'll sell your info the to FBI/CIA/NSA. Everybody wins except the book publishers!
Me: FML




RE: FML
By retrospooty on 7/30/2013 11:49:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have the correct finger for Steve right here


Chicken or Egg?
By ammaross on 7/31/2013 9:56:29 AM , Rating: 2
These biometric unlock rumors have been floating around since the last iPhone came out. One wonders if the "this would be a great idea!" rumormongers commenting on the hearsay drove Apple to actually include it as one of the three or four "innovative" bulletpoints for the new iPhone's keynote, or if Apple truly wanted to include it first, and someone "leaked" (on purpose of course).




Background
By Tony Swash on 7/30/13, Rating: -1
RE: Background
By retrospooty on 7/30/2013 10:50:34 AM , Rating: 4
"To deliver a system that will be widely adopted and used any security and ecommerce application related to device based fingerprint recognition systems would need to connect to a big online commercial operation"

I read it this way... The entire world will go one way, creating open standards that can be used by anyone... Apple will be creating yet another closed platform only available to Apple users, once again creating a rift and a PITA choice that each merchant has to support.


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