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Apple will lose 0.7 percent of its iPad profits to give the workers that assemble its device a 20 percent raise. Workers at Foxconn are currently struggling after a string of suicides and enduring reportedly poor working conditions.  (Source: Kin Cheung/AP)
A small cut to Apple's profit margin may make a big difference in workers' lives

It took a string of suicides to spur it to action, but Apple is finally taking a big step towards trying to ensure that the workers who build its bestselling iPads, iPods, and iPhones enjoy a decent standard of living.

Apple's products are almost entirely manufactured by Foxconn, a China-based unit of Taiwan's Hon Hai Precision Industry.  Foxconn builds the sleek devices at its Shenzhen plant in Southern China.  While many companies (Microsoft, HP, Dell, Nintendo, Sony, etc.) utilize Foxconn's manufacturing services, the Shenzhen facility primarily serves Apple -- and it's also the site of all of the recent suicides.

The suicides were perhaps foreshadowed by an internal probe by Apple that revealed that several of its international manufacturing partners were committing abusive employment practices, such as using child labor or demanding unpaid overtime.  According to reports, the latter was particularly common-place at the Shenzhen facility.

According to a report by Chinese news organization Sina, Apple has now quietly committed a dramatic gesture, offering to finance the majority of the 20 percent raise in pay to the Shenzhen workers.  The raise was long promised to workers, but had remained undelivered for some time now.

The 20 percent raise will cost Apple a little, but not very much.  It is estimated to raise the costs of labor for the iPad from 2.3 percent of the cost to 3.0 percent of the cost.  Apple still looks to make hundreds in profit off of each unit sold (breakdowns estimated Apple makes at least $200 per iPad sold).

For the Foxconn workers living in the factory city of Shenzhen, though, the raise will make a world of difference.  While some will question why Apple didn't push for higher wages in the first place, it's important to appreciate that it is at least taking action now.  One can only hope that HP, Dell, Microsoft, and others step up to the plate and offer to subsidize similar raises at their manufacturing locations -- even if they haven't been struck by the spate of suicides that occurred at Apple's plant.

Apple has not yet officially acknowledge the report, though it has previously stated that it was concerned about the working conditions at Shenzhen and that it was evaluating its options.

In other news, a fire broke out at the Shenzhen plant this week.  It reportedly was unrelated to the suicides.  The fire did not do any major damage to equipment, according to reports, and is not expected to impact Apple's production schedule.


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A First?
By ltcommanderdata on 5/31/10, Rating: 0
RE: A First?
By eman007 on 5/31/10, Rating: 0
RE: A First?
By icanhascpu on 6/1/10, Rating: 0
RE: A First?
By eli2k on 6/1/2010 2:58:37 AM , Rating: 5
I'm more concerned Foxconn decides to hold on to the new money they are supposed to give to the workers, and not give it to the workers. Technically, workers get more money, Foxconn gets nothing, is that right? You're giving Foxconn more money to distribute, hopefully you have a good way of ensuring the workers actually get the money...


RE: A First?
By shogdo on 6/2/2010 5:36:10 AM , Rating: 2
The article made it seem like Apple is making Foxconn raise it's own worker salary and Apple is footing the entire bill. That's not the case at all, and technically it's not possible. Apple is not Foxconn's only customer, and usually, a factory worker will work on Apple products as well as other company's products.
The fact is, Foxconn is raising all Shenzhen factory workers' salary by 20%. Apple is helping Foxconn out agreeing to let Foxconn charge them more (I don't know exactly how much more Foxconn will charge Apple, but I think Apple is only covering part of the 20% raise).


RE: A First?
By sebmel on 6/2/2010 1:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is covering the full raise.

It is not difficult for a factory to pay one production line more than another, if that is what Foxconn choose to do. Any farm sets a wage dependent on what workers do.

This issue highlights several problems: China's citizens' rights; the consequences of CEOs' negotiations on price; work/life balance; the problem producing of satisfying work and career paths on production lines.

Since the 1980s it has been trendy to encourage business students to be ruthless and consider only the bottom line. The successes of Victorian Cadbury's, UK and the John Lewis Partnership, UK, have been forgotten, ignored & even vilified in the US as 'evil' socialism. These are the consequences. The profitability of those two companies actually showed that it was good capitalism.

Incidentally, the level of suicides at France Telecom have been higher than at Foxconn but the story is a similar one. The company has hidden behind France's high suicide rate (double that of China for men). A far cry from the pleasure workers expressed at working in the Cadburys Bournville factory in 1879.

I'd like to thank Jason Mick for the most balanced article I've seen him write on this subject. I hope see get to read many more like this one.

An insightful extract from Time:

"In mid-May the Chinese newspaper Southern Weekend ran a story by a young reporter who spent a month working undercover at the factory. Liu Zhiyi wrote that the workers all dreamed of wealth, but felt that they had few opportunities outside the company. The workplace wasn't a sweatshop, Liu wrote, but the assembly-line work slowly dehumanized the employees. "It seems as if while they operate the machines, the machines also operate them," the story said. "Parts flow by, and their youth is worn down to the rhythm of the machines."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1991...


RE: A First?
By shogdo on 6/3/2010 1:10:14 PM , Rating: 2
Hi, I wasn't really sure how much Apple is contributing to the raise after reading this article so I thought I try to find out more.
If you do a search of news about Foxconn raising factory worker wages (the raise if wage is now up to 30%), none mentions Apple covering any of Foxconn raise except for this article in DailyTech by Jason Mick. The Chinese article referenced in this article actually says Apple "might" contribute to the salary of workers who works on Ipad products. Foxconn is raising the salary of all factory workers in Shenzhen (estimated 400k people), not just Ipad workers. Foxconn's stock price took a big drop after the announcement of the wage increase because of concern about its impact on company's profit.
I'm not siding with Apple or Foxconn on anything, just having some doubts about the accuracy of this article.
Anyways, saying "Apple is covering the full raise" is NOT accurate. And I'm not so sure this article is so "balanced" as you say.


RE: A First?
By Hieyeck on 6/1/2010 10:20:00 AM , Rating: 3
DT a news authority? </snicker> If you truly believed it, you wouldn't be a Mac fan, not with all the stories of Apple/Macs screwing up.

It's a news aggregate/blog. I come here because I'm too damned lazy to troll two dozen sites. DT is my 'interesting stuff to read' filter. I don't think I've completely read an article here for months.


RE: A First?
By Hiawa23 on 6/1/2010 10:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
So, is this how it works? Why would anything get made in the United States, when American workers want decent salries plus benefits, when you can farm out the work to foreign countries or foregn companies who pay the people pennies on the dollar & probably work em more. No wonder their suicide rates are very high. Their govt tried to say the suicieds were tide to the individuals personal problems. K....


RE: A First?
By rpip on 6/1/2010 11:10:02 AM , Rating: 1
Go price cars made by unionized US labor and cars made by non-unionized US labor. Next, examine the quality of the two products. Then examine the price of the two products. Notice the $3,000 to $5,000 union tax for lesser products. Yet, the US employees at the non-unionized auto plants are happier with their work even though they take home slightly less pay once you figure union dues and higher taxes in unionized states.

Now, look at the business taxes and the capital gains taxes in the US as compared to the rest of the world. Yup, we're the highest in the industrialized world. Now try to understand that business does NOT pay these taxes, the consumer does. None the less, the cost of the product is raised by these high taxes.

US employees (not workers) CAN make many tech. products, especially on the high end. We would just have to put envy and outdated notions of employer/employee relationships aside...


RE: A First?
By eman007 on 6/1/2010 6:01:02 PM , Rating: 2
My earlier statement was under the assumption that Foxconn will actually get the money to the employees.


RE: A First?
By MrBlastman on 6/1/2010 8:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
Twenty Percent is a joke. This was just done for publicity and reduction of bad press. It costs Apple squat to make this tiny pay raise that in reality, is miniscule at best. They could have done far more, but, as is commonplace, do the minimum to make the impact while doing the maximum to keep profits sky high.

Think different? There's nothing about thinking different with this. This is old line business mentality. Profits are a GOOD thing, don't get me wrong, businesses are money machines, however, as par for the course, do the minimum that you need to achieve the maximum impact to profitability and PR on the bottom line.

I suppose, the only thing I'm against is the measly wages the people in China receive. Compared to the rest of the country, they are well paid, but, more money can not totally make up for horrid working conditions. There is far more that impacts the worker than their pocket book.


RE: A First?
By Hiawa23 on 6/1/2010 10:19:22 AM , Rating: 2
PR stunt by Apple, as this is just to look good to the public. Sweat shops I guess are common for these huge companies. I thought being an American company who make all these over priced Ipads, Ipods, Macs meant they were made in the States. Hey, if you can pimp out a segment of people in another country getting your products made as cheap as possible, more power to you. That's all that matters, profits over everything else. Isn't that what almost cost the world economy to come crashing down? If everything goes for the big corporations how do all us Average joes get a piece of pie?


RE: A First?
By Shadowself on 6/1/2010 1:47:02 PM , Rating: 2
Foxconn workers have been paid at least twice, and by some accounts three times, the national average. Now they are getting a 20% raise above that. A raise that is 40% to 60% of the national average pay is definitely NOT a joke.

By "first world" standards the working conditions are deplorable. This will change slowly. If you check back a bit you will find that many of the positive changes were driven by Apple. True, it was to avoid bad publicity more than to really help the workers, but the positive changes were driven by Apple, not Foxconn.

Additionally, Apple is not the only company building equipment at Foxconn -- not even the only company building equipment at that factory. The fact that Apple is willing to directly pay for this raise indirectly supports non Apple companies. How many companies do you know will pay for a raise for workers to build equipment for another company? How many companies actively, financially clean up other company's messes? Why didn't Nintendo, among others, step up and shoulder their share fo the raise?

Finally, by the World Health Organization the suicide rate at that factory is less than 20% of the national average of all of China. The suicide rate will never be zero, but Apple being such a lightning rod for publicity (both good and bad) even a single suicide will make the news. There is no amount of money or changes in working conditions that will make the suicide rate zero.


RE: A First?
By Solandri on 6/1/2010 2:36:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm decidedly anti-Apple these days. But what this story boils down to is Foxconn being criticized for not making their workers happy enough. You've got a company which takes the average Chinese citizen, pays them far above average for the region/industry, and increases their happiness to the point where their suicide rate is significantly lower than even the U.S. suicide rate. And somehow they're the bad guy?

Increasing the living and working standards in China needs to encompass the entire country (better yet, all of SE Asia). Singling out one company for criticism will just drive that company out of business as their market share gets eaten up by other companies you aren't criticizing. People really should be directing their ire towards the lower paying companies with worse working conditions. Not a company that has just about the best conditions in the region, even if those conditions are relatively poor by our standards. You improve things by encouraging those who are doing better than their peers, not by bashing them for not doing enough.


RE: A First?
By YashBudini on 6/8/2010 12:45:14 AM , Rating: 2
"Foxconn workers have been paid at least twice, and by some accounts three times, the national average."

Twice nothing is still nothing.


We're sorry...
By drando on 6/1/2010 6:12:50 AM , Rating: 4
What is apple thinking, "We're sorry that you work in a sweat shop so that we can make huge profits. Here's a small sum of money, but we're not going to do anything about the sweat shop. Thanks for listening, NOW BACK TO WORK!!!"

To all you who feel all warm and fuzzy about apple doing "something," you suck. Wake up and stop buying into their BS PR stunt while completely avoiding the problem.




RE: We're sorry...
By FaceMaster on 6/1/2010 8:39:43 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, what are they thinking?!?! Apple are an EVIL company and a display like this is obviously just to gain the hearts of those around it. WE CAN SEE PAST IT. It's terrible that they've given sweatworkers a raise, it's like sticking a finger up at them. Apple are evil and this just proves it. They should give money to the poor like Bill Gates does. When will Apple learn?!?!?!


RE: We're sorry...
By EasyC on 6/1/2010 12:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
Or they could NOT use a sweatshop.


RE: We're sorry...
By FaceMaster on 6/1/2010 7:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Or they could NOT use a sweatshop.


I'm sure that if there were more economicaly viable methods, they would. A lot of companies use sweatshops, and it's not as if they'r actually worse to work in than any other job in that area. In fact, large businesses can benefit communities more than the government, and some house the workers, give them medical aid and fresh water. They even house their families and- oh, why am I trying to reason with unreasonable people. You win, Apple's evil, all other companies doing the same thing are good.


RE: We're sorry...
By glennc on 6/1/2010 10:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
nobody said the other companies are good. they just point out that this is a publicity stunt for the mindless media believing drones of the world until the whole thing blows over. they know exactly what was going on before the media got hold of the topic and only now do they feel the need to save face. they have just released a pretty important product for them, what else are they going to do? fanboy much?


RE: We're sorry...
By Shadowself on 6/1/2010 2:12:26 PM , Rating: 2
So do you believe Apple should build the iPad in the U.S. and have it cost $500 (or more) a piece just to build the cheepest model? Or do you believe Apple should force U.S. wages and working conditions on Foxconn?

Apple has already forced Foxconn to make conditions significantly better than they were a few years back. The other companies using Foxconn did not force the change. Apple did. Apple did it for PR purposes, but Apple forced the changes.

Do they still have a LONG way to go by U.S. standards? Yes. But unless you believe Apple can sell the most basic iPad for 50% more than they currently charge, Apple will not be able to change these conditions overnight.

Do you think no other electronics company uses Foxconn? Do you think no other electronics company uses companies worse than Foxconn?

If you want to not support anything like Foxconn, you'll be stuck buying boutique equipment. There is no way around it other than that. Name any major consumer electronics company and they use Foxconn or companies like Foxconn with working conditions like Foxconn or worse.


RE: We're sorry...
By UnWeave on 6/1/2010 2:17:34 PM , Rating: 2
I hate how rabidly anti-Apple DT is (and please read on before you rate me down here). Okay, so they are overpriced on a hardware/$ scale. Okay, their marketing is often full of misinformation and basically preys on those who are less tech-savvy (or those who have enough money not to care how much they spend on a PC). However, here they are attempting to increase the wage to lowly-paid workers (probable PR motivations aside), you shoot them down anyway and get rated to a 5. What the hell?

Your comment would be justified if it weren't for the fact that almost every other major manufacturer from the secondary/tertiary industries use sweatshops somewhere down the line. Bought an HP/Dell/Lenovo/Acer etc? Yeah, made in China, and you can bet the workers there don't get paid any more. Build your own PC? Foxconn make parts for many manufacturers of PC components (remember those P55 sockets that used to burn? Foxconn).

Either have a go at the industry as whole, or believe they did this for purely ethical reasons and applaud Apple for trying to make a difference, however small. Don't just brandish them, and only them, with a brush that applies to many others.


RE: We're sorry...
By UnWeave on 6/1/2010 2:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, so Shadowself basically beat me to the punch on that one, but the point still stands.


RE: We're sorry...
By eman007 on 6/1/2010 6:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
I don't actually own or buy any apple products, but any money returned to the sweatshops for all their hard work is better than no money back at all.


can we have a follow up?
By semo on 6/1/2010 5:33:29 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
will cost Apple a little, but not very much
yeah we get it, it's not a lot for them...

anywho, I'd like to know the outcome in a month's time. I hate how the general consensus of developed countries these days is that we can just sprinkle some money on the poor people and they'll be happy.

Don't forget that the fruit machine is not the employer of all these workers. These sacrificed profits will pass through many hands before they get to their intended target, if at all. It is vital that an inside probe (be it a journalist or some company) tries to uncover exactly what the atmosphere is like over there in say about a month... i.e., are things better (in a month's time that is), did the pay rise materialize, are employees still forced to do overtime and so on.




RE: can we have a follow up?
By jeepga on 6/1/2010 8:34:41 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I hate how the general consensus of developed countries these days is that we can just sprinkle some money on the poor people and they'll be happy.


I couldn't agree more. The picture would be of the fat rich American throwing a handful of money over the crowd with a proud look on his face as the rabble claws for the dollar bills sprinkled on the ground.

Apple gave up almost nothing. And the workers aren't getting much when you consider the unpaid overtime. Most people won't dispute Apple's right to make money, but the gross profits they make are greed not capitalism.

The Apple's massive group of worshippers gasped and paused with the news of the suicides and the factory conditions. The marketing machine knew they had to do something. But, as it turned out they didn't need to do much to satisfy their worshippers.


RE: can we have a follow up?
By Hiawa23 on 6/1/2010 2:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
Apple gave up almost nothing. And the workers aren't getting much when you consider the unpaid overtime. Most people won't dispute Apple's right to make money, but the gross profits they make are greed not capitalism.

amen...


If situation is so dare...
By rvd2008 on 6/1/2010 9:50:30 AM , Rating: 2
why don't Chinese workers unionize? I am sure strike organized by union could squeeze from Apple much more than paltry 0.7%. Does communist China support its workers exploitation by Apple corporation?




RE: If situation is so dare...
By xsilver on 6/1/2010 10:10:39 AM , Rating: 2
um because they will "accidentally" fall off buildings if they do?

You forget these are unskilled workers, if you strike, there are a million non union "scabs" that are willing to take your place.


By StraightCashHomey on 6/4/2010 11:07:17 AM , Rating: 2
Heh, not just a million.. more like a billion.


Be honest
By corduroygt on 5/31/2010 11:58:48 PM , Rating: 2
None of us would have expected this from Apple...
It's nice to be pleasantly surprised, even if the surprise is small and it happens very rarely.




RE: Be honest
By YashBudini on 6/8/2010 12:47:18 AM , Rating: 2
It simply means the bean counters thought the negative press was a higher cost, and nothing else.

Hardly anything worth respecting.


By atlmann10 on 6/1/2010 2:32:58 PM , Rating: 2
I hate to say it, but if this is true which it seems to be, Apple really just gained some serious respect from me, at least for there aim here. No I don't like the closed proprietary setups schematic they run, but something like this needed to happen. It is horrible for things like the Chinese employee suicides to happen.

However; for "ONE" of the major players here to actually do something like this is what needed to happen. This equalizes (or can have that affect) on societies world wide. The one really big thing here, and this is if it is true which will be seen, is if that money filters down to the actual employee.

I am not talking about the company skimming "which I am sure to some point will also happen", but also do not forget this location also exists in a communist country. In such a country the Government "makes the decisions as well as the actions, for these employee's and there families better treatment", and therefore mentality as far as general behavior is done by this government. This may, and most likely will in many cases mean absolutely nothing for these employee's.

When you make the workers (lower to lower middle end) too strong, or even give them any added power of any form in a communist country, you also strengthen the people, and therefore weaken the government. So at best these money's will be "moderated", by the Chinese government, for there peoples "Well Being".

While this would be good if the employee's actually saw it to any serious degree it would be a good thing. I also believe that if we as American's believe in a capitalist form of governing we should see this. The problem here is as stated earlier the people/workers will see this only to a very small degree I imagine. If we believe in said capitalist market/society, we should also make sure that the people/workers actually see these money's, and therefore improvements in there life.

If we do not we are in most cases just giving the communist government greater control and monetary power. This is where the whole thing gets screwy especially regarding being American and having said inherent beliefs. The only way to actually do anything of this nature is for the companies to insist on doing business with companies which exist not in such a politically structured country.

This is particularly funny with Apple specifically really. This is because to the greater amount the Illusion is that Apple makes products "especially according to there fan boys" for higher minded more cultured computing, and individuals. The truth is most of there products are made in locations where mindsets and political make ups exist. Therefore everything Apple does to the greater percentage oppresses people in real time, and strengthens those who would do so on a wide scale basis.

So is the fact Apple is seemingly caring about these individuals a good thing? The answer is yes it is. Is Apple actually really doing anything about anything other than there own self serving public image? The true answer here is no it is not, and in all reality it is making systems for shallow unseeing individuals. This in many ways keys in to the Gates foundations of the world just as much. Yes Bill and Belinda gates do great things world wide with there money.

The reality though is that to the largest part the money they do it with is just dirty money. They got it from physically oppressing people, and causing the problems they aim to fight. So just as Apple does this for public perception, so does the gates foundation as well as all the BS that goes on in this world with the same end product.

If these companies and people actually wanted to do anything other than make more money, then they would insist on doing business only in countries which in the general consensus had free markets and free people! Which they do not do. So it is basically all just factitious lies done for a companies face value, and means little to nothing in reality for anyone. If all these companies insisted on doing business of any type in free countries, then these forms of ancient government would end, and the world would be a truly better place.

Until that happens it is all only an illusion. The worst part of all this is that we as a country, and a government who does anything in collusion with such individuals are the one's who strengthen these governments and make them a reality. So in the big picture it is not even the companies fault, it is in reality the US governments for allowing products made by an oppressed people to be sold in our country period. The book of America today is only capitalist on the cover. In reality throughout the core of the writing and contained materials of this book that is America it also is nothing but a factitious lie.




By messyunkempt on 6/2/2010 1:01:52 AM , Rating: 1
TLDR


What would foxconn have done?
By hughlle on 6/1/2010 6:00:30 AM , Rating: 2
if not apple, then what would foxconn have done? if not to raise wages themselves, maybe they would have been forced to cut working hours and as such, production output, seeing as the govt now wants better union work, how would that have affected apples sales in relation to loss of profit from the chosen strategy? maybe apple are just covering possibilities.




No offense to Apple
By aftlizard on 6/1/2010 8:24:59 AM , Rating: 2
if this rumor is true it still doesn't address the conditions that drove the suicides. Seems to me they would be better served by demanding that the plant expand the work force to cover the overtime work, stop child labor and still make sure a livable and respectable wage is available. While also demanding an open inspection that allows Apple, and the other companies, to over see the labor conditions. What this does is try to put a band aid over a broken arm.




By PAPutzback on 6/1/2010 8:52:29 AM , Rating: 2
Do they really think going from 3:50 to 4 an hour is going to change the fact that they don't get the time to enjoy the money they make. Now if they do pay OT 1.5 rates this will probably just encourage people to work even longer hours. Chinese people are just like the Mexicans in the US. They are very tight with their family and they support each other. If someone is making some money then they all get a peice of it. So they'll just encourage that person to keep workingthose hours and hope they can get another family member in there to help out.

If Apple really wants to help they would force their factories to give the raise and cut back OT to a MAX of 60 hours a week.




Not so generous
By widowmaker314 on 6/1/2010 10:52:55 AM , Rating: 2
The fact that Apple quietly does this without screaming about it to the public shows something's not right. When faced with the possibility of unionizing as is being investigated by the Chinese government, Apple seeks to nip this problem in the butt before the employees get anywhere near a union. 0.7% now will be nothing compared to the long term costs of unionized workers. Keep the workers happy now until this situation blows over and the threat of a union will disappear. Apple's still up to their evil tricks.

-ex-Apple employee




Publicity stunt
By Setsunayaki on 6/2/2010 5:00:44 AM , Rating: 2
It is very easy to simply "Lie" and create press about it, but no hard evidence truly exists.

That plant in China is well known by many I know who live in China near that area. Trust me, they operate under Chinese Employment Edict which is a different thing..

The increase of wages forces other factory communities to question their position and earnings and part of the employment edict states that "increases in earnings" may only be used to improve productivity at a facility.

Apple can give them all the money they want, but it will be kept by internal operators of the facility to "improve conditions" while those workers will not get any increased wages, medical insurance or services...

...the money itself will be used to create new methods to "motivate workers" to improve "production."

I am sorry for coming across as mean, cruel and uncivilized in the writing of this post. Notice I am not attacking Apple Directly, but China operates very differently and an Alien Company and Alien Nation as well....can not change employment laws simply from "offering" money.

Money will go to the Shenzhen plant, but it won't be to the targetted workers everyone hears and speaks about.




Apple has saved and created lives.
By reader1 on 5/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By christo90210 on 5/31/2010 10:04:30 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah who really cares? Just as long as Apple wipes the blood and misery off the products they sell its all ok.


By atlmann10 on 6/1/2010 2:43:35 PM , Rating: 2
This shows how snowed you are Reader1. As many fan boys such as you the image is taken as a reality. This action by Apple or anyone else who uses Foxconn is nothing but shallow and dim witted reaction. You do not see the big picture nor does most of the public in general. You take the cover image of the issue and try to make it mean something, although in all reality it means nothing. This action was I guarantee you nothing but a publicity stunt. They also paid more money out to there publicity machine to do this than they will to the workers who produce the products they make. You as a dim witted and blind sheep following the herd make idiotic statements of how great they are. When in all actuality they have done nothing but dust of there image with this, and there followers eat it up like candy. You are blind Reader1 as are 90% of all fan boys to anything which exists in reality.


RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By gunzac21 on 5/31/2010 10:04:51 PM , Rating: 2
Why is your first statement structured in this argumentative way as if someone has already attacked your view. Also why are you praising apple for something all business entities do and minimizing the deaths of these people which is something many other businesses are able to avoid.


RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By mckinney on 5/31/10, Rating: -1
By leuNam on 6/1/2010 9:49:51 AM , Rating: 1
eww....dirty thoughts!


By Jeffk464 on 5/31/2010 10:49:53 PM , Rating: 1
Hey who knew, foxconn management watches these tech sites. :)


RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By NovaCain820 on 5/31/2010 10:59:10 PM , Rating: 1
Kinda being a tool if you're baiting as a first response. However I won't get into a discussion about Apple with you, because your discussions cause visible human de-evolution, so just as a courtesy to the other readers; followed up your post to let everyone else know that, you're doing what you do best..
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RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By piroroadkill on 6/1/2010 4:05:40 AM , Rating: 2
It's reader1. If he wasn't trolling, something is wrong. Disregard.


RE: Apple has saved and created lives.
By chick0n on 6/1/10, Rating: 0
By rpip on 6/1/2010 10:56:33 AM , Rating: 2
Do you honestly think the working conditions are any better at any Foxcon (or other Chinese) plant used by HP, Dell, MS or any other tech firm? Maybe there is more pressure at this particular Foxcon plant because people WANT Apple products and the demand outstrips the ability to manufacture.

Do you believe there is any less blood and sweat on laptops, smart phones or other products made by other companies? Fact is many of you just hate Apple and don't really give a rip about Chinese or any other workers...

Frauds...


0.7 percent.
By DanoruX on 5/31/10, Rating: -1
RE: 0.7 percent.
By Solandri on 6/1/2010 3:20:47 AM , Rating: 2
So you figure Apple should give the workers there a 429% raise (equivalent to a 15% tip on a $25 dinner if 0.7% is a 20% raise)?


RE: 0.7 percent.
By FaceMaster on 6/1/2010 8:47:22 AM , Rating: 2
Considering how overpriced the ipad is, 0.7% is a significant amount.


RE: 0.7 percent.
By DanoruX on 6/1/2010 10:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, they would deserve every cent. Besides, you don't calculate how much tip to give based on how much the waiter makes, but by how much you pay for the food.


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