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Own a RAZR (or a Blackberry or 2G iPhone) and are on AT&T's network? A new plan to boost 3G may mean you're out of luck. AT&T's suggestion -- get a new phone.  (Source: Motorola)
AT&T's service reps reportedly tell iPhone 2G customers to leave AT&T, unlock their phones

With the launch of the iPhone, people began to experience problems with AT&T's 3G service.  Calls were dropped and data transfers were often unpleasantly slow.  While the problems were eventually tracked down to the iPhone 3G's chipset requesting to much bandwidth, many customers demanded AT&T upgrade its 3G network to be on par with Verizon Wireless and Sprint's offerings.

According to a report by Open for Business, AT&T has finally yielded to those demands, but its way of boosting 3G may anger some of its other customers.  AT&T will be sacrificing its 2G network, according to the report, in order to try to boost its 3G signals.  The effect will be many customers will get fewer bars in more places.

For those with first generation iPhones, who paid the steep initial cost, the move may be perceived as a particularly cruel blow to early adopters.  Some point out that Dallas-based AT&T continues to sell many first generation iPhones today.

Cell phones work by transmitting signals on radio bands.  AT&T previously had used the 850 MHz band, due to its robust signal, including superior indoor reception.  According to the report, AT&T plans to shift these transmitters to the weaker 1900 MHz band used by its 3G phones.  The shift will occur in some, but not all areas.

This would in effect downgrade the service on not only the first-generation iPhone, but also most AT&T offered BlackBerry and RAZR phones.  OFB says it confirms that AT&T has already implemented this change in several locations, based on its testing with multiple devices in St. Louis, MO.

OFB contacted AT&T and reports that AT&T technicians all had the same suggestion -- buy a new phone that supports 3G.  For first-generation iPhone owners, this is particularly disturbing as they will not only have to buy a new phone, after paying so much for the first one, but would also have to pay an increased monthly service rate of $10 for data and $5 for text messaging if they switch to the new one.

The shift cuts the service quality of over half the phones offered on AT&T's site.  AT&T’s technical support is offering a one-time $200 credit, to those who specially request it, as a solution to the problem.

According to OFB at least one service technician suggested that iPhone 2G owners terminate their AT&T contract.  The technician suggested that users follow the steps detailed online to unlock the phone and use it on a competitor's network.

AT&T’s executive director of analyst relations, Mark Siegel claims that AT&T is not asking anyone to upgrade to 3G.  And despite AT&T technicians speaking to the contrary, he says AT&T "categorically" denies telling anyone to switch from 2G to 3G iPhones.  Apple could not be reached for comments on these developments.

With AT&T preparing to roll out its new 4G LTE network next year as an upgrade from 3G, the new report raises troubling questions.  Rather than spending money to upgrade its network with more transmitters, will AT&T simply cut the service quality of 3G customers, and cut 2G quality even further?



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this isnt a fix
By kattanna on 1/7/2009 3:29:00 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
AT&T’s technical support is offering a one-time $200 credit, to those who specially request it, as a solution to the problem


if your trapped in a long term contract, a one time $200 please shut your hole refund isnt a fix. because even after the refund, your still stuck with crappy service.

but thats been my long term experience with ATT on both personal and business level dealings. Nothing but utter crap from them.




RE: this isnt a fix
By AlexWade on 1/7/2009 3:40:45 PM , Rating: 2
While my AT&T cell phone service has been very good, customer service is a different matter. Customer service is incompetent, and that is probably too polite. I don't switch because I haven't had to use customer service is over 2 years. Still, I rather have an idiot than a jerk. If you ever had to deal with Sprint customer service, you'll know what I mean about jerks.


RE: this isnt a fix
By Rodney McNaggerton on 1/7/2009 4:47:18 PM , Rating: 2
I've not had a problem with sprint customer service, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I called them to ask why my visual voicemail wasn't working and the reason was no one had called and let me a voicemail! They were pretty nice about me making myself look like an idiot. They also helped me find a blackberry password I had lost. So I haven't had any problems with them personally, and for the amount of money I pay for 5 phones with unlimited data, texting, tv, radio, email, etc. and 1500 minutes, I cannot complain($170).

I would like to point out though how AT&T's business practices annoy and scare me. I mean they are the biggest wireless carrier out there and they sure are acting like it.


RE: this isnt a fix
By ebakke on 1/7/2009 5:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've not had a problem with sprint customer service, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
You appear to be the only person on the planet who's had good experiences with Sprint customer service. Typically the story goes "Sprint screwed me by ___________, so when my contract was up I got the heck out." Or "I just ate the early termination fee because I hated them so badly."


RE: this isnt a fix
By Sazar on 1/7/2009 5:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
I guess I am the 2nd person in the world who has not had any issues with Sprint customer service. For that matter, I haven't had issues with AT&T's service either related to my iPhone.

This is not to say that there isn't bad service. It is just that I am not using a broad, sweeping stroke to paint ALL customer service of one provider or other a particular shade.

Both Sprint and AT&T went out of their way to ensure my employer's discounts were factored into my bill and refunded me the amount initially over-charged while this was implemented with no fuss whatsoever.


RE: this isnt a fix
By Tacoloft on 1/7/2009 5:54:46 PM , Rating: 4
What you fail to understand is that there are A-holes in every major company. And bad news sells. I have heard the same jingle about every carrier out there.


RE: this isnt a fix
By ebakke on 1/8/2009 8:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What you fail to understand is that there are A-holes in every major company.
Oh, I'm aware. I never said any company was immune from idiots and jerks. And I didn't say any company was perfect. I said most reports from Sprint customers detail their disgust for the company, and that claim is backed up year after year in customer satisfaction surveys where Sprint consistently finds itself in last place.


RE: this isnt a fix
By ajdavis on 1/8/2009 9:42:15 AM , Rating: 2
At least based on one metric Sprint is not in last place.

http://sprintconnection.kansascity.com/?q=node/830


RE: this isnt a fix
By IcePickFreak on 1/8/2009 11:21:02 AM , Rating: 2
My experience with Sprint about 10 years ago was horrible as well, and didn't stop for years after canceling. I had horrible reception, even my friends Nextel had better reception. I called up and canceled my contract renewal a month and a half before it expired. 6 months later they claimed I owed them $300+ because I wasn't paying my bill, you know for the service I canceled. At that point I didn't even have a Sprint phone, I threw it against a wall the day before I initially called and canceled. For the next 8 years I would get calls from bill collectors a few times a year. This went thru about 10 different agencies and I had to go thru the same BS with every single one of them before they figured out they just bought a bogus bill from Sprint. I haven't gotten any calls about it in about 2 years, but I'm still not so sure that it's completely over. I'll send letters via the post office before I ever go back to Sprint, and AT&T as well. I've never had their cell service, but I canceled my land line years ago because I hated dealing with them.

I've been with Verizon 7 years and my only complaint is how much they lock their phones down. That said, my phone always works, and my experiences with customer service has only been to upgrade phones or service and was always a quick and painless task.


RE: this isnt a fix
By AlexWade on 1/7/2009 7:41:42 PM , Rating: 2
My dad called Sprint customer service to get a reprint of a bill. He was tossed around to 3 different people, with all of them questioning his motives for asking for a bill. On another occasion, he had to get his lawyer after them. He wanted to challenge a charge but they were being most uncooperative. Two different occasions, both very bad experiences. This is on top of the pathetic cell service.

I have never had any rude AT&T/Cingular customer service. But they clearly didn't know anything outside the list they read down. One time, I asked them to unlock my phone, one said "sure" and he transferred me to someone who does that. Well, the wait was over an hour, so I hung and called back later. This guy said "we don't do that". Incompetent, but not rude.


RE: this isnt a fix
By Rodney McNaggerton on 1/7/2009 9:22:01 PM , Rating: 2
Those sound like relatively the same situation to me.


RE: this isnt a fix
By jkresh on 1/7/2009 3:48:36 PM , Rating: 5
kattanna,

actually I believe that for most people the $200 is sort of a fix, as the fee for breaking the contract should be less then that, so theoretically you could take the credit cancel your account and go elsewhere at little to know cost (if you switched to another gsm carrier then you wouldn't even need a new phone).


RE: this isnt a fix
By jkresh on 1/7/2009 3:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
"no cost"


RE: this isnt a fix
By maverick85wd on 1/8/2009 9:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
you could even get the $200 credit and then just leave AT&T and stick them on the early cancellation fee. You're going to go with a different service anyways, right? If I had a 2G iPhone right now I'd definitely do exactly that.


RE: this isnt a fix
By Moishe on 1/9/2009 3:47:08 PM , Rating: 2
With the price of dropping out of a contract being around $200 I'd say it's the perfect time to walk away and use the $200 to pay the early contract termination fee.

Then go to a provider that doesn't suck as much (They all suck in some manner).


Rumor
By masher2 (blog) on 1/7/2009 3:27:27 PM , Rating: 3
This is all apparently based on a single guy's testing in St. Louis, where he claimed to find problems using EDGE.

Personally, all my 2G phones are still working fine with AT&T. Until some more reports come in, I'll take this with a large grain of salt.




RE: Rumor
By Chaser on 1/7/2009 3:55:50 PM , Rating: 2
No kidding. The conclusions being drawn in this article are way too premature. How about we let AT&T handle their network while we wait for some feedback from actual customers before we declare the sky is falling.


RE: Rumor
By Snoop on 1/7/2009 5:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
This may just be an issue with my First Gen Iphone, but for the past month (I live in Tampa, Fl) I cannot use the internet at all unless connected to a wireless network. Even with full bars. It just times out or says no internet connection is available.


RE: Rumor
By cocoviper on 1/7/2009 5:10:55 PM , Rating: 3
I agree that there isn't any real data to draw final conclusions on yet... but we do have to consider physics. Higher frequency spectrum (1.9GHz) always falls off faster than a lower frequency (in this example 800MHz).

Thus if ATT is moving their 3G network from 1.9GHz to 800MHz and their 2G network (voice) from 800MHz to 1.9GHz- at some point guaranteed everyone that has a 2G phone will get worse service the further they are from a tower and MUCH worse service indoors (higher frequency signals also have greater difficulty penetrating walls).

Upgrading to a 3G phone will fix the problem- but I guarantee the majority of ATT subscribers still using 3 and 4 year old phones like the Razr aren't going to understand this and are going to be pissed. Their service will suddenly go from 4 bars indoors to 0-1, maybe 2 if they're lucky. This WILL increase calls to ATT's customer service (increasing cost and wait times) as well as churn.


RE: Rumor
By 67STANG on 1/8/2009 2:37:27 AM , Rating: 2
The higher 1.9GHz frequency is only an issue when it comes to obstructions. (Trees, walls, etc.) With everything being equal (gain, power and LoS), there would be no distance between 1.9's and 800's falloff. It's a tradeoff between obstruction penetration, and the ability to carry more data with wireless...

Verizon has a 800/1900 network which works pretty well, although they segregrate the 800 network for phones and the 1900 network for their CDMA broadband devices-- which is the smart thing to do. And yes, their broadband card typically runs ~2 bars lower on reception than my phone while indoors.


RE: Rumor
By Sazar on 1/7/2009 5:53:07 PM , Rating: 2
I have to say that getting ANYTHING done on Edge with regards to surfing is absolutely abysmal and frustrating. I am thankful that Austin has a decent 3G network in most areas but as soon as I am in an area with Edge, and that too with 3 bars or under, I cannot get anything done online.

It's unfortunate but c'est la vie :)


And this is why
By FITCamaro on 1/7/2009 4:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
I don't use AT&T or Apple products.




RE: And this is why
By callmeroy on 1/7/2009 4:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
I just am too lazy to care when it comes to cell phones or their service plans. I'm only in my 30's but I guess I'm like an old man when it comes to my views on phones --- I have no fancy phone, i open it - press buttons and I can actually talk to people. That's all I use it for. No gps, no tethering, no MP3 player function, etc. Just to call folks.

I never need tech support -- I pay ATT $40 a month been a customer since Cingular -- same phone for over 4 years now..lol they probably hate me because I don't make them money --- like everyone else that buys the latest phone every 6 months and gets new contracts and what not.


RE: And this is why
By FITCamaro on 1/7/2009 4:19:24 PM , Rating: 4
If you never get a new or expensive phone which they have to subsidize, all you do is make them money. You think your voice service for however many minutes you have costs them $40 a month?

They lose money on phones, not make it.


RE: And this is why
By callmeroy on 1/8/2009 7:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree completely , or put it this way -- I follow a different line of logic. Of course it doesn't cost them $40 for voice service and yes of course they'll lose money if I buy a phone they subsidize. HOWEVER, that's short term...they are losing more potential money from a customer who ONLY pays $40 (regardless losing or making money on the phone itself) per month then say (since its ATT I'm using as example) someone buying an Iphone which in turn makes them buy (or want) some outrageously expensive plan per month..I think someone in a DT forum stated to get the "everything" package for an Iphone you are shelling out about $100 a month at LEAST.

So according to my math I'm paying $60 on average *LESS* per month ...so again...we use different logics....the way you see it is in up front costs, the way I see it is long term....to any business long term matters more.


RE: And this is why
By callmeroy on 1/8/2009 8:00:32 AM , Rating: 2
Crap forgot to mention this before i posted....ALSO using your same subsidize the phone logic -- why do you think there are in some cases multi-year contracts (isn't the Iphone 2 years?) ...you don't HONESTLY think they eat the cost of that phone over the length of the contract do you? They eat it in the short term...when your contract is done though you've paid for that phone at least twice.


att the darkside
By Coca Cola on 1/7/2009 7:00:03 PM , Rating: 4
nice att deathstar picture




RE: att the darkside
By drzoo2 on 1/7/2009 8:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm modding you up because I missed that. That was damb funny!

Thanks


RE: att the darkside
By overzealot on 1/8/2009 5:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
You can't rate and post. It's a fact! [citation needed]


fond memories
By Dreifort on 1/7/2009 3:19:36 PM , Rating: 4
makes me yearn for the good ole' days of analog networks.

unlimited roaming (thou roaming fees could apply) with 4-5 bars, loud (but somewhat static filled) reception and 45 minute battery life.

*sigh*.




RE: fond memories
By Chaser on 1/7/2009 4:30:00 PM , Rating: 1
And with a decent scanner I could listen in on any conversations. Yeah those were the days. :)


Damned if you do...
By clovell on 1/7/2009 4:44:47 PM , Rating: 2
This is the albatross of rapidly advancing technology... legacy support.




Verizon
By Smilin on 1/8/2009 2:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
The grass is green over here guys.

Maybe the $200 one-time credit will be enough to cover contract cancellation so you can switch. I'm actually digging Verizon.

I've only had one issue that required a call into customer service. Hold times were bearable. The issue was regarding an incorrect data plan they had put me in. They corrected this on the spot. They then submitted a request to get previous charge differences from the other data plan refunded. The next day it was OK'd and my next bill showed the refund. TA-DA!

The network is fine in my area and I don't recall any problems when travelling.

Your experience may vary I supposed but I have no complaints and I plan on renewing for a 3rd time.

I think since landing the iPhone deal that AT&T is getting a bit full of themselves.




ATT rebates are lies
By Soulkeeper on 1/9/2009 7:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'm still waiting for my 100 dollar rebate that was promised to be about a year ago. Sent in the upc code, paperwork, etc. just never heard back from them.
That didn't stop them from sending me fake rebate checks, with small print that says "sign up for this new service to make this real"




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