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Bohemia Interactive is onboard with the idea

Red Cross wants video game developers to add punishments for war crimes in their titles as war games continue to become more and more realistic.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) wants realistic war games to imitate the real thing by employing virtual consequences for war crimes like torture during interrogation, attacks on medical units, and deliberate attacks on civilians.

"It is very difficult to make the difference between real footage and the footage you can get from video games, so we are arguing that we have to get even closer to reality, and we also have to include the rules of the law on conflict," said François Sénéchaud, head of the ICRC's Division for the Integration and Promotion of the Law.


The ICRC made it clear that it has taken no stance on violence in video games, and that its suggestion only targets games that portray real-world war. It's not worried about fantasy games. 

The ICRC also said that it isn't against the portrayal of war crimes, but that it just wants punishment included when these acts are committed.

Bohemia Interactive, which is makes the Arma series of realistic military games, has already agreed to include punishments for war crimes in its games. 

Source: International Committee of the Red Cross



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Patch GTA
By Stuka on 10/8/2013 10:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
Rock Star should also release a patch for all versions of GTA where if you get caught by the cops you have to watch a real time cut scene of your character being detained, arraigned, prosecuted, sentenced, and subsequently violated in prison.

This is the ONLY way today's young folk will learn about consequences of their actions since the parents are too busy working 50hrs a week and then having "mommy and daddy" time the rest of the time.




RE: Patch GTA
By Ticholo on 10/8/2013 11:55:08 AM , Rating: 1
I'm sure "mommy and daddy time" is the reason violations of international law and war crimes happen... Though I like your idea.


RE: Patch GTA
By Stuka on 10/8/2013 1:23:48 PM , Rating: 2
The story is the same no matter who you are or where you are from. Parents instill social values, not media, and anyone in anywhere in the world can be distracted from this by innumerable things. There are parents failing at this in every nation, and ineffective government, civil strife, economic failures, etc., do not absolve any parents of teaching their children basic values.

If you can't feed, protect and teach your child, you've failed. All three points are equally important, if one is missing, the child will suffer.


RE: Patch GTA
By Flunk on 10/8/2013 1:44:33 PM , Rating: 2
Bah, you've never played GTA have you? No one wants to get detained by the cops... You're much better off getting killed by them*.

*Seriously, the punishment is much less severe.


RE: Patch GTA
By Flunk on 10/8/2013 1:45:04 PM , Rating: 2
P.S. GTA is not even slightly realistic in the least.


RE: Patch GTA
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/8/2013 2:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks Capt Obvious...


RE: Patch GTA
By lilBuckwheat on 10/8/2013 11:35:19 PM , Rating: 2
He's clearly a colonel.


RE: Patch GTA
By Totally on 10/9/2013 11:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
He's in the Navy.


RE: Patch GTA
By FITCamaro on 10/8/2013 2:48:29 PM , Rating: 5
Or maybe parents shouldn't be stupid and buy their young kids GTA?


RE: Patch GTA
By jRaskell on 10/8/2013 3:11:28 PM , Rating: 3
Stupid isn't a choice, it's in their genes.


RE: Patch GTA
By TSS on 10/8/2013 8:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'd buy my kid GTA V if he/she wanted it. It'd be a good oppertunity for me to explain exactly why those actions performed on screen are wrong. I'd rather give them a good sense what's virtual and what's real instead of shielding them from that.

Maybe having kids growing up in an increasingly stupid and violent society might be the culprit, rather then any specific media. Taking responsibility and encouraging critical thinking is the cure for that. You can only teach them right if they know wrong, why it is wrong, and how to avoid doing so.

Also i'd like to add the controversy around the waterboarding that's supposed to be in the new GTA (dunno, haven't played, just heard the talk on the internet), absolutely laughable. GITMO IS STILL OPEN! shall we protest that before getting worked up about a game first?

Maybe if more people at a young age saw what waterboarding actually is and how bad it is, before they'd reached the age where they'd believe stuff such as "well if it's done to terrorists it's ok and these people are terrorists so it's ok", there'd be more protests. I'll bet you $1000 every kid who's ever played carmageddon knows it's wrong to drive over people and hasn't done so.

They'll also still wonder about the point value of driving over old ladies at crosswalks, cause that's fun. But they will not DO it.


RE: Patch GTA
By xti on 10/11/2013 9:34:40 PM , Rating: 2
this is utterly stupid.


Sounds good to me...
By SublimeSimplicity on 10/8/2013 10:36:15 AM , Rating: 3
Its an excellent plot path to a violent escape from an international prison or maybe war crime trial judge assassination. The violent plot twists almost write themselves.




RE: Sounds good to me...
By bah12 on 10/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds good to me...
By Samus on 10/8/2013 11:38:39 AM , Rating: 1
Wow, you just can't give the man credit for not making the trillion dollar mistakes of the administration(s) before him...can you.


RE: Sounds good to me...
By bah12 on 10/8/2013 12:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't give credit for dumb luck, by the Dr. Magoo of international politics. When his actions actually do something good for this country I'll give him props, but the Syria thing is nothing more than his mouth writing checks his will won't back up and being bailed out by dumb luck.


RE: Sounds good to me...
By borismkv on 10/8/2013 1:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
Sure. He didn't make the trillion dollar mistakes of Bush. He made several of his own trillion dollar mistakes that we can blame him for.


RE: Sounds good to me...
By Flunk on 10/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds good to me...
By FITCamaro on 10/8/2013 2:49:22 PM , Rating: 4
$5 trillion in 8 years = bad

Over $7 trillion in under 5 years = great!

At least that's what I'm hearing from you.


RE: Sounds good to me...
By thurston2 on 10/14/2013 1:57:47 PM , Rating: 1
That's because your brains are oozing out of your head and clogging your ears up with shit.


if they're going to implement that...
By Farfignewton on 10/8/2013 11:51:25 AM , Rating: 5
They could also show the U.N. announcing that if the war crimes aren't stopped immediately, you're going to get another demand they stop immediately next week. And maybe another after that. But that will probably be it. Unless someone else actually steps in to DO something.




By vortmax2 on 10/8/2013 2:56:29 PM , Rating: 3
Reminds me of an old Robin Williams comedic skit about British cops with no guns...

"Stop!...or I'll say 'Stop' again!"...


Realistic?
By ShieTar on 10/8/2013 11:22:22 AM , Rating: 2
But in reality, don't most of these games focus on the actions of the US army? The US have withdrawn from compulsory jurisdiction of the international tribunal on war crimes back in 1986.

So, if the games include no punishment whatsoever, I think they are already pretty realistic.




RE: Realistic?
By PaFromFL on 10/8/2013 1:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
The punishment is keeping your jobs as President and Vice President for an extra term, and pocketing bribe money from government contractors. If you're really evil, you are further punished by getting job offers from Fox News. Then they make you write a book and suffer the tax consequences of earning millions of dollars.


RE: Realistic?
By inperfectdarkness on 10/9/2013 3:47:08 AM , Rating: 2
The decision was to hold US troops accountable under the UCMJ, rather than in an international court where the US does not necessarily have the ability to control the laws crafted and the rules governing combat. Furthermore, evidence ruled admissable or inadmissable can be swayed against US favor in such international courts.

The UCMJ still holds troops accountable for violating the Geneva conventions, ROE, LOAC, etc. I submit that it is a myopic fallacy to conclude that US troops aren't accountable for their actions on the battlefield.

P.S.
Although the news media capitalizes voraciously on each rare instance of a US servicemember violating LOAC, it seems to altogether neglect the well-documented reports of how the enemy willfully violates LOAC on a perpetual basis (human shields, hiding among civilians, etc). If nothing else, not being uniformed combatants means that they are willingly submitting the civilian population to undue risk of collateral damage--as it becomes impossible to distinguish them apart.


Medical units?
By TeXWiller on 10/8/2013 2:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
They probably meant systematic, sustained attacks on properly marked civilian medical "units"? The medical units I served near were all fully armed and combat ready.
It is similar idea to bringing in traffic rules to an anarchistic driving game. Some people might like it, depending on the gameplay and story, most don't. There are lots of reasons (but not enough, in my non-puritanical opinion) these games are for mature audiences only.




RE: Medical units?
By inperfectdarkness on 10/9/2013 3:54:37 AM , Rating: 2
I like the idea of realistic ROE for war-games--and not because of some pacifistic agenda. It does add a level of reality to the game, and in some ways, requires additional skill to play.

It should be easy enough to add such detail. There's no need for "simulated" courts-martials, etc. Instead, why not simply tie the consequences to achievements/accolades/awards? Make rewards for not shooting any medical/chaplain personnel. Reduce or penalize experience gain for attacking such units. Restrict what weapons are available for use. Things like this would make it fairly easy to "retrofit" existing games to encourage abiding by LOAC.


Reality != Fantasy
By Ammohunt on 10/8/2013 2:09:13 PM , Rating: 2
Violent video games are not teaching tools nor should they emulate reality. I go to great lengths to make sure my kids know the difference.




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