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Rule change requires direct daily interacion with H-1B workers

The U.S. government has made more than a few policies that resulted in a court battle between businesses and the government. The latest legal battle brewing is going to be fought over staffing companies and new laws that essentially remove staffing firms from being able to recruit foreign workers who would need a H-1B visa.

When the global economy soured, the number of visa applications hit some of the lowest levels in years. That decline was a reaction to the fact that there were fewer jobs as companies folded or froze hiring until the economy started to turn around.

EWeek reports that three staffing companies and a staffing agency advocacy group have filed suit against the USCIS, its director Alejandro Mayorkas, along with the DHS, and its secretary Janet Napolitano.

The plaintiffs in the suit are Broadgate, Logic Planet, and DVR Softek with the help of staffing advocacy group American Staffing Association and business-technology advocacy group TechServe Alliance.  The battle stated when an official at the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services named Donald Newfield published a memo that changed the rules of what constituted an employer-employee relationship. 

The rule change stipulated that the employer had to have daily control over the H-1B worker. The nature of a staffing firm is that once recruited and placed they rarely see the workers they hire out to companies within America. The reasoning for the change in the rules surrounding H-1B workers was to try to prevent staffing firms from working with other companies that were fraudulently or abusively using H-1B foreign workers.

CEO of TechServe alliance Mark Roberts said, "USCIS' actions are a thinly veiled attack on the IT staffing industry and its business model. IT staffing is a lawful business model that greatly benefits the U.S. economy, U.S. businesses and U.S. workers. The government should not be allowed to attack the industry by circumventing the rulemaking process and reversing longstanding policy by decree."

John Miano, founder of the Programmers Guild, says, "If the mere requirement that people actually work for their employer will put many companies out of business, that demonstrates the extent of the rampant abuse in the H-1B program. When Congress created the H-1B program it expected that such visas would only be used when U.S. workers cannot be found and as a last resort."

The changes in the rules of the H-1B program were made after a report found that the H-1B program had a violation rate as high as 20%. Despite the legal battle, statistics show that H-1B visa holders only constituted 0.06% of the national labor force in 2009.



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I'm glad the government changed the rules
By qdemn7 on 6/11/2010 10:40:34 AM , Rating: 4
Things like this that help US citizen get, and maintain a good job, as opposed to it being given to a foreign worker, I'm in favor of. H1B has always been nothing but a transparent attempt to take away high paying jobs from Americans.




RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By CCRATA on 6/11/2010 1:06:38 PM , Rating: 4
H1-B allows companies to hire the best employees. H1-Bs are required to be paid the same or more compared to non H1-B employees, so companies save no money, but they can get better workers.

Also there is a shortage of properly educated workers for many fields, for which H1-Bs are necessary (such as engineers) because most of the american public deems intelligence something to be made fun of.

America is killing itself.


By bubbastrangelove on 6/11/2010 1:29:24 PM , Rating: 5
As someone who worked with many, many software devs from India I beg to differ.

There is a slew of American Born talent to choose from that are being displaced because of H1B visas. Heck, the errors that would need to be attended to because of communication barriers alone would make up for money saved on bringing in H1B candidates.

Oh yeah, take you're stereotyping of "Americans are stupid" and "Americans aren't hard workers" and "Americans don't value education" because it's a convenient sneer and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Americans built this country H1B visa candidates are desperately trying to get into. If you don't like us you know the drill: door, ass.

I'll put my devs up against any team in the world and win and we're all "stupid" Americans.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By corduroygt on 6/11/2010 1:58:26 PM , Rating: 3
Having worked with many developers from both India and US, I can say that I have encountered good and bad people from both sides.

However, in my experience, the "stupid americans" had a higher ratio of good to bad than the Indians. However, the Indians who studied in the US seemed to be amongst the better ones. This is due to the education system in the US, whereas Indian education focuses more on memorization and bullet points on resumes rather than understanding the actual material.

Otherwise, a skilled worker can come from anywhere, and I bet there are some assembly line workers at the Foxconn plant who are smarter and would be better developers than both of us if they had access to the same education we had.


By bubbastrangelove on 6/11/2010 3:12:26 PM , Rating: 5
All emotion of the argument aside I would agree with you on almost all points.

As an American I'm getting tired of being told by everyone outside my country that I'm fat, stupid, lazy, lacking culture and basically a buffoon on all accounts but yet everyone wants to be my next door neighbor. Apparently my the United States of American spawned into what it is and none of my ancestors broke their backs building it or lost their lives defending my country.

Seriously, kiss my ass if you don't like the USA. We don't need you or want you if you don't like us.

/rant over


By bubbastrangelove on 6/11/2010 3:34:02 PM , Rating: 1
One last item: that last sentence was directed at to who I replied.


By bubbastrangelove on 6/11/2010 3:48:40 PM , Rating: 2
Was NOT directed...


By intelpatriot on 6/11/2010 4:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
Americans are the hardest working people in the world. Even more so than the Japanese.

Europeans have higher productivity but work far fewer hrs, wheras professionals in China and India may have nominally long working days (no longer than americans defacto end up working) but productivity is low.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By Spookster on 6/11/2010 2:59:37 PM , Rating: 2
I completely agree. Our company just opened up a location in India and is transferring 500 engineering positions there. I have had to work with these Indian counterparts now for the past year and the quality of the code they write is very poor. We are blowing schedules and budgets from having to train them how to develop software. Their idea of when software is complete and our idea is drastically different. We conduct peer reviews of all code prior to releasing it for customer delivery. Their idea of being ready for peer review is only that the code compiles whereas we expect it to meet all requirements, complies with coding standards, and is generally ready for production use so the peer reviews don't have to take so long from fixing things. It's very aggravating.


By JediJeb on 6/11/2010 3:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
I had a similar experience with an Indian chemist in our lab when I first started working here. He could speak perfect English until someone got after him for missing a deadline or messing something up then they blamed it on not understanding what he was supposed to do. Another quirk he had was he always introduced himself as Dr. when he only had a BS degree. I asked him once why he did that, his reply was that in India if you had a BS and 5 years experience you were considered to have a MS degree and a BS plus 10-15 years experience meant you had a PhD. Not sure if that is how it really is, but he sure believed it.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By Spookster on 6/11/2010 3:01:44 PM , Rating: 5
It allows the companies to hire the best employees? What a load of crap. What dream world do you live in? It allows companies to increase their profit margins with the lower pay rate.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By consumerwhore on 6/11/2010 5:51:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It allows companies to increase their profit margins with the lower pay rate.


Capitalism. Love it or leave it.


By Spookster on 6/11/2010 8:35:38 PM , Rating: 2
And it's the morons like you that are too ignorant to see the damage it does to our country when you let it run unchecked like it's doing now.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By YashBudini on 6/14/2010 3:33:35 PM , Rating: 1
Well you do spend a lot of time talking about capitalism when you're really talking about little more than opportunism.

Back in the early 00's corporations where trying to get H1B employees for mainframe programming when the US was flooded with unemployed mainframe programmers wgo where were in fact willing to do the work and for less money than they used to. CT was about to hold Congressional hearings on the matter and then the corporations backed off a tad.

H1B corporations are suppose to be paying the going rate, but government doesn't set the rate nor does it perform any enforcement of the H1B laws. The corporations are suppose to enforce the laws themselves, the same way BP promised to maintain the Alaskan pipeline. Well that thing is a leaky mess and we see how well BP puts safety precautions into place.

You may believe H1Bs are getting the same rate, but have you ever met an H1B that made that claim? Most will clearly tell you they get paid less.

US programmers are often labeled as being anti-immigrant on this issue, but real programmers will tell you the only solution is to allow as many immigrants as required and to let them earn the going rate without the H1B laws. No corporation wants this to happen, and indeed you will never see a corporation ask for real freedom and real capitalism because it will cost them more money. It's that simple.

So the next time you decide to promote real capitalism trying learning about what's going on before you open you're mouth and make a 100% verifiable idiot out of yourself.

Here's what really happens Mr Know-it-all

www.youtube.com/programmersguild
(Here American lawyers tell corporations how to not hire Americans.)

I do agree you are a consumer whore, like there's some real honor in that, a spoiled brat that always acts on impulse.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By consumerwhore on 6/14/2010 4:08:02 PM , Rating: 3
I debated with myself whether I should add a <sarcasm/> thingy when I was writing my post above. In retrospect, maybe I should've but I'm still glad it got strong reactions.

quote:
Well you do spend a lot of time talking about capitalism

Sorry, are you talking to me? My post was six words long. Including a pre-fabricated five word sentence that gets bandied around anytime someone dares not swallow the jingoistic Kool-Aid.

quote:
but have you ever met an H1B that made that claim?

I am one. Not only that, in my decade in Silicon Valley, I've had scores of European co-workers on visas. Not exactly your "poor little Indian who is sooooo happy he'll be making more than 10 rupees a day by coming to the US".

quote:
trying learning about what's going on before you open you're mouth and make a 100% verifiable idiot out of yourself.

Right back at you.

quote:
I do agree you are a consumer whore, like there's some real honor in that, a spoiled brat that always acts on impulse.

That reeaaaaaally helps your argument. Attacking my username which I picked on a whim. Do you make fun of kids with uncommon names too?


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By YashBudini on 6/14/2010 6:30:37 PM , Rating: 2
Pfft, good luck with that "it works for me it works for all the others" belief.

The video still speaks for itself.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By consumerwhore on 6/14/2010 10:30:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, whatever, and good luck with your "I know I'm right because I said so" belief.

As for that video. Yeah, I had seen it before. It annoyingly gets brought up whenever H-1Bs are mentioned. Too bad it has SHIT ALL to do with the hiring of H-1Bs. It's about the green card process.

It's corporate lawyers explaining what corporations have to do in order to retain their H-1B employees beyond the 6 years limit should they wish so. The way to do that is by giving them a green card. And the green card process has this step where you have to be looking to hire someone to replace this employee who has been working for you for 6 years even if, in fact, you have no such intentions. Again, nothing to do with hiring H-1Bs, the H-1B quota, etc.

The "gaming" of that process is not about excluding Americans, it's about excluding everyone in the world except that employee you want to keep. Fucked up? Sure. I agree. But to think it's some kind of "anti-American-worker" conspiracy is to show you have no fucking clue what it's about.

Way to demonstrate you are the 100% verifiable idiot.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By YashBudini on 6/14/2010 10:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
The fact still remains that it would be far better to allow all those to enter and to work whereever they want, but corporations never ask for that.

Please continue with your posturing, it's getting quite amusing.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By consumerwhore on 6/15/2010 11:12:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact still remains [...]


"Yes, but... Yes, but... Yes, but..." How many of these "ultimate" arguments do you have?

quote:
Please continue with your posturing, it's getting quite amusing.

Admitting defeat? Thank you. But next time, say so straight up. You won't look like a whiny child.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By YashBudini on 6/15/2010 6:23:39 PM , Rating: 2
"How many of these "ultimate" arguments do you have?"

Your routine dismissal of facts knows no bounds.

"Admitting defeat? "

I'm simply displaying I'm no fan of the "no child left behind program."

Really nobody can have an intelligent conversation with an ultimatist/extremist. Your concern to place the L on your forehead far exceeds reason, same as Homer Simpson.

The best part about extremists is they are so easy to spot. Nobody in any intelligent conversation, or even an argument, would ever walk around saying they are 100% right.

Send me a note when you make the high school debate team. I need to laugh at that learning institution.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By consumerwhore on 6/17/2010 3:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
Aaah, I see. You're a troll!


By YashBudini on 6/21/2010 12:26:05 PM , Rating: 2
Lame and desperate, and yet uninformative!


By wetwareinterface on 6/11/2010 7:04:06 PM , Rating: 3
"H1-B allows companies to hire the best employees. H1-Bs are required to be paid the same or more compared to non H1-B employees, so companies save no money, but they can get better workers.

Also there is a shortage of properly educated workers for many fields, for which H1-Bs are necessary (such as engineers) because most of the american public deems intelligence something to be made fun of.

America is killing itself.
"

The problem with this whole post is it's simply not the case. There is no shortage of American skilled laborers. Just look at the current unemplyment rates compared to previous ones. Those previously qualified individuals didn't leave the country, their jobs did.

All you have to do is go to a high tech centric area to see what H1-b visa abuse is, and how corporations abuse them. Take San Jose, CA for example. In many apartment complexes you'll see a lot of Indian H1-B visa workers living. The reason isn't what you'd first think, that they are clustering for ethnic similarities. The real reason they all live together is simply they get paid $11.00 an hour plus a room to live in. This is a $35 per hour position typically. What the companies do is buy an entire apartment complex, raise the rent through the roof to insane rates (serves 2 purposes, 1 to get all the current tennants without lease contracts out making room, 2 to aid in reporting back to the government overseeing H1-b pay standards and to escalate the tax break for the business expense of loosing rents for the property held by them) and then house the H1-B visa workers there.

Every time I hear about "lazy American workers" I have to laugh. It has nothing to do with amount of productivity and everything to do with bottom line for pay scale. No company in the world pays for something more than they have to as a cost cutting measure. They say with one face to the Gov. that they need more "experienced or technically able workers" and then use another to tell the stockholders they are laying xxx people off and using cost cutting measures to fill those "required" positions. Guess who's being lied to and who's getting the real story, that's right the ones with the ability to fire a CEO are told the real story.

The Government set up the H1-B program to allow highly technical research positions to be filled by whomever would be the best and get the better or faster result for a company. Not to have Microsoft or Sun or Oracle or HP hire a bunch of tech support and B.S. degree level electrical engineers and porgrammers at cheaper rates than local workers could afford to work for.


By CorwinOfAmber on 6/11/2010 9:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
No one is suggesting that H1-B visas don't serve a useful purpose.

The change in the law is meant to weed out the abusers of the system, of which there are many.

For you to suggest that;

1. H1-B workers receive the same pay
2. There aren't enough skilled US citizens to fill the role

tells me you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm a US citizen and a developer at a major US based database and marketing firm. I'm a minority in my firm.

Almost every new employee I see (developers) are H1-B derived. India, Russia, China, Korea, Pakistan you name it, we got it. And it's pretty much all we got.

Why?

Let's just say it's not for a lack of skills in the US.

Let's call it what it is - cheaper labor. These people WANT to come here or stay after school. I don't know for a fact but my gut (55 years worth) tells me these folks don't demand the salary's their US counterparts do.

I say - the change in the law is good.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By thrust2night on 6/11/2010 5:50:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you.

1. In fact, all goods and services sold in the US should be made in the US.
2. Import should be banned/outlawed since products that are made outside the US benefit people who are not Americans.
3. Foreigners who want an education should not be allowed to come to the US since it is not America's responsibility to educate people who will not be working here. America's responsibility is to educate Americans.
4. A great wall should be build around the US border so that people do not illegally enter America.

Now let's see how Americans survive.


RE: I'm glad the government changed the rules
By FITCamaro on 6/12/2010 12:54:30 AM , Rating: 3
There is protecting ones economy and workers and then there is economic stupidity. Yours is the latter.

There is nothing wrong with importing products. What has to happen though is that you have to make your business climate friendly towards businesses producing other things here to sell to them. Our current government does neither. It veils attempting to save jobs here but then passing taxes and regulations that make no business want to do business here. With H1-B visa workers or citizens.

Just wait until the Bush tax cuts expire on January 1, 2011. You think unemployment is bad now? Wait until the tax rate goes to 39% at the highest, the death tax goes from 0% to 55%, capital gains goes from 15 to 20% (or is it 25%), and more. Add in cap and trade the EPA is unconstitutionally passing as law and the health care bill, businesses will be fleeing the US.


So maybe
By rocky12345 on 6/11/2010 10:40:45 AM , Rating: 5
So maybe the Gov is saying you guys abused the rules to the point that we the gov had to step back in & over see what the hell is going on.

Like the article stated this all started as a kind of a back up plan. If companies could not find workers in house (in country)they could use the visa workers instead. it seems that many of the companies seen a chance to get all kinds of workers at a much lower pay rate & they jumped at it. All this did was make higher unemployment for local workers as those jobs were no longer there for them or if they were the pay was reduced to the point that it was not worth the time to take the job.

I do not live in the USA but the same thing is happening in my own country as we speak. The town I live in up until 3 years ago did not have this problem but it sure does now. I have no issues with people from these countries but when they start taking jobs away from people from here that is a issue. I think our gov's should take it a step farther & make it law that if these firms that hire these people & bring them here to work in our work force that it should be made so that these outside workers be paid the the going rate of what a local worker would get paid & the firm that brings them in does not get a percentage of the outside workers wages. This would reduce these firms from wanting to do this & it would not lower our over all work force labor rate.

This is just my opinion I am sure everyone will down rate it but I am just trying to think of ways to take back our work force so our local workers can have first stab at theses jobs & at a wage a single worker can live on.




RE: So maybe
By Iaiken on 6/11/2010 11:06:06 AM , Rating: 2
It's a two way street, American's want to work in the US and abroad and people from abroad want to work in the US.

If people in the US want jobs abroad, they have to be educated, productive and accept competitive remuneration. I don't see how that shouldn't apply in the US as well.

One of the problems is that a lot of US workers have an inflated sense of self worth. I had one Jr. developer from Cali interview with me and he passed all of our programming tests to my satisfaction (~85% avg). When he gave me his salary expectation and it was higher than my pay, I laughed for a good 5 minutes and waved him to the door. I wound up hiring two Canadian university grads for the same price and both of them nailed 100% in the tests and have never made me regret hiring them.

The funny part is, we offer Jr devs with no experience $45k, and that idiot from Cali would have had to have been a superhero if he thought his demonstrated skill justified a $75k/year salary. Hell, I still laugh about it now when I think about it...


RE: So maybe
By Ahnilated on 6/11/2010 11:28:58 AM , Rating: 2
90% of Americans haven't earned Remuneration in about 70 yrs. They earn what is called "income" because they are government workers and don't even know the law. If they actually earned Remuneration they wouldn't have to pay "income" taxes on it and would make at least 33% more and wouldn't need such high rates of pay. You can thank people not knowing the law and the corporation that rules us for everything being so expensive in America.


RE: So maybe
By consumerwhore on 6/11/2010 6:03:56 PM , Rating: 2
In the year 1999, I was a Canadian university grad and I moved to Cali to start at my first job.

Years of experience: 0.
Starting salary: 70k.

You'd have to live in fly-over country to be baffled at this person's request. At the same time, he should've looked at the cost of living of your area and adjusted his expectations accordingly. That's what I did.

Some fellow graduates who stayed in Canada started at salaries half mine. But then, so was their rent.


RE: So maybe
By bubbastrangelove on 6/11/2010 12:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
Every once in awhile the US Government does something that helps it's citizens as opposed to taxing/spending them to death and rule with a "do as I say, not as I do" attitude.

This would be one of those rare exceptions. Way to go!


RE: So maybe
By subhajit on 6/11/2010 1:28:31 PM , Rating: 1
I always thought the migrant workers helped make US economy stronger and not the other way around.
So, you have no problem when illegal immegrants serves you all the time with low paying insecure job.
It is laughable when someone like you says that you have nothing against particular group of people, because it has everything to do with that. We wouldn't have this kind of comments if people from Ireland, France, Germany, UK were involved. I have seen plenty of them working around.
What US has is a skill gap. Just because you restrict access to a lot of Highly skilled jobs doesn't mean out of work low skilled workforce will be taking that place. The companies will be forced to ship those Jobs out. You will have to decide which one is more beneficial keeping a particular group of people out or keeping the jobs out.
The Big money is with the multinational companies and they have a lot of money invested around the Globe they also get big chunks of their revenues from around the world they also manage their resources worldwide so you just have to get used to seeing different people from different parts of the world and come out of Mom n' Pop shop mentality.


RE: So maybe
By rocky12345 on 6/11/2010 2:49:13 PM , Rating: 2
If your referring to my comment.
I actually do not have anything against any group of people everyone should be treated the same no matter what their skin color is. The problem I do have is when these companies hire people from out of country so they can save money when there is perfectly good workers in our country that could do those jobs. I was referring to the food industry for the most part. Up here in Canada companies like A&W bring in workers from Mexico & get them a place to live & through gov sponsorship they also get money for things like food & clothing etc etc as well as get paid from their jobs.

They work for a lower wage to start with & maybe that is our own fault as we value our work skills to much & expect to high of pay. I can see these companies wanting to save money but it comes at the expense of our local work force which in turn drives up unemployment rates of the local work force.

So no I have nothing against these people personally but I do have a lot against the companies that use these tactics & our gov for allowing it.

Here is a example I work in a computer store in my home town. About a year ago a new store opened here it is owned & operated by a sponsored worker that a year ago was flipping burgers at the local A&W he now owns a Computer store a year later. I come to find out not only did our gov pay most of his way to stay here they also granted him the loan through some program to get into business. Yes that irks me a bit because there is no such programs in place to do the same for me if I wanted to do the same.

Now here is the kicker this fella has 1 tech pays him what the going rate is for Canada he also has 3 other techs working for him they are from his home country he pays those guy $7.95 an hour for doing computer work. He had an ad online looking for workers & when I seen the AD & how much he paid I was like not a chance in hell. The ad stated who ever filled the job spots had to have all networking degrees & A+ of coarse & a few other computer related certs all for $7.95 an hour. I said to myself he will never find anyone with all those certs for that wage. I have all those certs & make more than $20 an hour & that is even low for what I do but it is a small town not a big city.

It turns out I was right no one wants to work for him at that wage which he knew would happen as he has filled the jobs with people from his home country with one tech on staff that has all or at least most of those certs to be able to legally stay open & do business.

I say power to him if he wants to be in business but I do not think my tax dollars should fund his business ventures.
But like everything else what come around goes around. We have had so many complaints by people that took their systems to him & lost all their Data because they have a no data backup policy if the system has to be wiped so I give him about 6 months if he does not change that lol.

PS sorry this was such a long post/rant


RE: So maybe
By JediJeb on 6/11/2010 3:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I always thought the migrant workers helped make US economy stronger and not the other way around. So, you have no problem when illegal immegrants serves you all the time with low paying insecure job.


I have a problem with an illegal immigrant no matter how high or low their wages or what job they perform. Migrant workers are those that come here legally. Migrant workers can help the economy when there are an abundance of open jobs that need to be filled, but when there is rampant unemployment I believe the number allowed into the country should be reduced until the native workers have been given jobs, then migrant workers may make up the difference. That is how it is supposed to work. It also doesn't matter what race or nationality they come from, they must follow the rules.

I am sure some of these companies that broker foreign workers are legitimate, but many are not. Those are the ones that are causing this change to be needed. I have a friend from Russia who upon graduating university wanted to come to the US to work for the summer. She paid money to the employment agency who found her a job here for the summer. She did this successfully the summer before her final year in university but after graduation she used a different company, and when she arrived in the US, there was no job for her. There never was a job for her, the company she was supposed to work for never even existed. Luckily she was able to enroll in a local college and find a part time job that allowed her(after much more paperwork) to stay for the summer legally, but in the end most of her money was gone before she could return home.


RE: So maybe
By consumerwhore on 6/11/2010 6:13:43 PM , Rating: 2
Cool diatribe, bro. Except...

quote:
I think our gov's should take it a step farther & make it law that if these firms that hire these people & bring them here to work in our work force that it should be made so that these outside workers be paid the the going rate of what a local worker would get paid [...]


That's already how it works. If you suspect that's not the case in your company, contact the USCIS and a large fine will be levied. The rest is a matter of enforcement. New laws are not needed for this purpose.

quote:
[...] & the firm that brings them in does not get a percentage of the outside workers wages


This, I'm ambivalent about. Personally, I agree with the general sentiment that there's a good chance that some of firms are riding a thin legal line. But if they should still be allowed to conduct their business, how do you suggest they make money?


Please save our business model!
By Taft12 on 6/11/2010 11:47:21 AM , Rating: 5
"USCIS' actions are a thinly veiled attack on the IT staffing industry and its business model."

You have no right to have your business model protected by the government, asshole (although the music and movie industries have set an ugly precedent). The IT staffing industry will not go away, it will just be forced to use native US workers.




History of Immigration to America
By soundcore4 on 6/13/10, Rating: 0
By roadhog1974 on 6/13/2010 6:14:49 PM , Rating: 5
Ha Ha Ha, good one.

Oh wait you are being serious.


Alejandro
By corduroygt on 6/11/2010 10:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
Please let me go...




New words
By spazze on 6/11/2010 10:46:40 AM , Rating: 2
I was all excited because I thought I was going to learn a new word "interacion," but alas, it must be an Engrish word or something?




CountryWide
By soundcore4 on 6/13/2010 6:02:29 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone here does know that CountryWide sent all its loan application work to India before the collapse, right? Or that GM was booming in 2006 until it signed a $300 billion outsourcing deal with India's Wipro and went bankrupt a mere 3 years later. How about the Christmas day 2005 nationwide airport shutdown caused by ComAir's 100% Indian IT dept. that used a short int when they should have used a long in. When peak travel times hit, BOOM! The software blew up. There's India's vaunted "IT workers" for you. Faking wannbes who take our money and send it home while producing nothing and destroying everything.




IIT
By soundcore4 on 6/13/2010 6:03:32 PM , Rating: 2
isn't even an accredited university.




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