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Sood, right, working with the HP team on the Misto touch interface
Six months after HP absorbed the boutique vendor Voodoo PC, the company sheds some light on its eventual plans

Late last week Hewlett-Packard showcased the fruits of its Voodoo PC acquisition and the HP Labs development team. 

"It became clear that there has been work going on even prior to the Voodoo acquisition and now the wheels are spinning freely, and things are anything but status quo," said HP Global Gaming Chief Technology Officer and DailyTech Blogger Rahul Sood.

Much of HP's showcase included technology derived from HP Labs projects.  HP's Misto project, for example, integrates a 50" touch screen into a coffee table.  The interface is designed as a proof-of-concept for gamers, but Sood isn't discounting its usefulness for other applications.

"Well, we have been exploring all types of technologies which pertain to gaming, including handheld, display, interface, and many others.  We have enough intellectual property within HP to wallpaper the building," states Sood.  "These research scientists within HP Labs are absolute geniuses, they have some interesting projects yet to be unveiled.  The interesting thing is many of the projects they are working on are not specific to gaming - we have recognized these areas and the creative juices are flowing."

Voodoo PC built its niche on the no-expense-spared ultra enthusiasts.  Although HP is a bit more grounded when it comes to catering to the masses, Voodoo's influence in HP Labs is more than apparent.  In particular, HP demonstrated its nine-projector interface capable of displaying images bright enough to see outside in full daylight.  HP's interlacing technology has shown up on other projector based projects; at the Consumer Electronics Show last January the company demonstrated its immersive driving simulator using multiple projectors interlaced together.

However, six months after HP's acquisition of Voodoo, the company still has not shipped an official HP-Voodoo collaborated PC yet.  HP continues to build Voodoo's boutique PCs, mid-range PCs under the Hewlett-Packard brand and entry level products under the Compaq brand. The company still lacks a direct competitor to Dell's XPS line. 

"We recognized that there is a gap between HP and Voodoo – and we believe this gap is significant enough that we need to jump into the sandbox and draw the line. We never said anything about creating a fourth brand but there is indeed speculation."

Sood closes, "As I said at the event in San Francisco, our funnel is full of ideas; you’ll see some new stuff as early as this year."


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VoodooPC
By jay401 on 4/10/2007 3:33:38 PM , Rating: 4
Can anyone explain Voodoo to me? Their prices are outrageous and apparently (judging by the specs of the systems they offer) the only real expense is the actual graphical design and paintjob since the parts list specs are generally average, middle-of-the-road at best, especially in the GPU department.

Even people with money to spend seem to buy Alienware (used in movies, TV shows, band members buy them, etc), not Voodoo, because at least with Alienware when it costs a lot you're getting quite a lot of performance from the machine you purchase.

Voodoo seems like it markets to people who care what it looks like but not how it performs. You'll have a nice stylish $4,000 paperweight that a $2,000 Alienware will not only outperform but outlive in use with better performance.




RE: VoodooPC
By jay401 on 4/10/2007 3:34:28 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
HP continues to build Voodoo's boutique PCs, mid-range PCs under the Hewlett-Packard brand and entry level products under the Compaq brand. The company still lacks a direct competitor to Dell's XPS line.


They will still lack a competitor to Alienware as well since Voodoo cost twice as much and even then barely compete.


RE: VoodooPC
By nerdboy on 4/10/2007 3:51:36 PM , Rating: 2
you do know that Dell owns Alienware right.


RE: VoodooPC
By James Holden on 4/10/2007 3:52:42 PM , Rating: 2
Knock Dell all you want, I think they have some pretty fantastic products. The 24" displays are still the best money can buy in my opinion.


RE: VoodooPC
By Flunk on 4/10/2007 4:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, Dell has some good products. For an off the shelf PC manufacturer they are not too bad.


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/11/2007 4:14:09 AM , Rating: 4
how was he knocking Dell he just pointed out that Dell owned alienware?


RE: VoodooPC
By Yeah Yeah on 4/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: VoodooPC
By jay401 on 4/11/2007 10:12:06 AM , Rating: 3
Yes I do know that Dell owns Alienware and that is covered under my point that HP/Voodoo will also lack a competitor to Alienware. The article says that they will still lack a competitor to the Dell XPS systems and I was adding that they also lack a competitor to Alienware since Voodoos cost twice as much for less performance (I am generalizing there).


RE: VoodooPC
By James Holden on 4/10/2007 3:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you there


RE: VoodooPC
By sxr7171 on 4/10/2007 6:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
If you think that's all, have you read his stupid Blog posts on this site? This guy couldn't get into med school if he doubled his IQ. He comes up with the most stupid comments I've read.

If you take a quick look at his blog he says that at age 11 he painted his new Apple IIc red before turning it on. So basically this guy has a fetish for tricking out computers. So what? I want substance over style.


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/10/2007 9:00:03 PM , Rating: 2
How do you know??? Have you done a system comparison?? I doubt it.

Voodoo's engineers really know what they're doing, and the speed of the systems are VERY fast. Why do you think they ship the benchmarks for every system??

I used my Voodoo LAPTOP for music composition and production for 3 years at a UK music conservatoire. I was ridiculed for not using a Mac, but my end result was just as good as the other people on my course. During that time, it never broke down, I never had any problems etc.. Only recently, when coffee was spilt on my laptop did I have to call tech support - and they sent me a 17 page document on how to disassemble my laptop (my warranty had expired, and I wasn't willing to ship my laptop - essential for my current work - from Japan to Canada) - and gave me precise clear detailed instructions - on their toll-free support line.

Just when you make statements like:
quote:
because at least with Alienware when it costs a lot you're getting quite a lot of performance from the machine you purchase.


I just want to see some proof!!....


RE: VoodooPC
By joex444 on 4/10/2007 11:08:14 PM , Rating: 3
Oh man, either your humor is wicked dry or you're a moron.

I just checked out Voodoo PC's prices, and ah, for $6600 you can get essentially what I built for $1200. Yea, the Voodoo has a more powerful processor and watercooling, so adding back the difference, you can build it for under $2500. Now, you're paying $6600 for <$2500 worth of parts that PERFORM exactly the same.

If there's any doubt in your mind that Voodoo PC isn't building computers but instead designing them, just visit their website. They ask you what color you want for the case before you pick out the parts that make the computer.

There is no way you can justify buying a Voodoo PC, it's very much akin, as a consumer, to purchasing a Hummer H1 and driving it by yourself to the grocery store.


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/10/07, Rating: 0
RE: VoodooPC
By ATC on 4/11/2007 12:09:09 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that for some it may make sense.

While I'll probably never own a Voodoo PC unless I won the lottery, I know two family friends who own them and I have to admit they do look and perform great.

Yes, they use mostly off-the-shelf parts but their cooling and case-innards are generally custom designed. That allows them to have their PCs (both notebooks and especially desktops) to be almost silent while being aggressively overclocked.

Their line does not generally compete directly with Alienware but Alienware's ALX line instead which, incidentally, is also ridiculously expensive.

To each his/her own. No sense it blasting people who can comfortably afford stuff like that. We see it every day with Hummers, $2000 Louis Vuitton bags etc etc…


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/11/07, Rating: 0
RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/11/2007 8:05:54 AM , Rating: 2
Define 'knowledge of PC'... I had a discussion about this same thing the other day.

I didn't know that people bought computers to learn about the hardware. People use computers to use the software contained on them, and you'll probably find that 95% of users want that. I have an EXCELLENT knowledge of the software that I use and the equipment that I need to make the most of that software. And no - it's not for word-processing, it's for music composition/production etc.etc. - and we're not talking Garageband, we're talking ProTools, Cubase, Sibelius, Finale and so on...

I admit, that perhaps writing these opinions on a site such as Dailytech opens me up to being shot down in flames.

quote:
Just because your PC has worked for you doesn't mean shit about its capabilities compared to computers build with the same parts by someone else.


What about the reviews well... everywhere. The only computer that seems to regularly come cose is Falcon-NW.

Speaking of Falcon-NW, and other boutique companies - Biohazard etc., I would hope you have the same opinion on all of them. Falcon are actually more expensive than Voodoo!

Finally, the building the PC thing - I live in Japan - if I was in England - it would be a different story, but I'm not, and I'm far from fluent (but capable) in Japanese.


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/11/2007 3:04:26 PM , Rating: 3
If you don't know how to assemble a pc and install an os (you just stick the dam disk in and do as it says step for step. Then your knowledge on a PC has to be limited so you know how to run your software well that puts you in the boat of all the other ID10T users out there. Just cause you can use it does not mean you know almost anything about it.

I know that your not doing word but the point of that comment was that just because a pc does what you wan does not mean that everything else is bellow it.
SO Voodoo beats other OEMs in all the reviews but if you understood those numbers that they throw at you you would know that 6 fps for a few extra thousand dollars is crazy.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2059877...
Yes in that review the voodoo wins but they are simple looking at raw power if the voodoo is 0.001% better it will win. They don't compare value at all. check out the Gateway or the cyberpower in that review they both cost $4000 ($1700 less than the voodoo) and they are a fraction behind in performance. The difference in those PCs is so small you wouldn't notice.

My problem with voodoo and yes the other boutique oems is that people who buy them are uninformed they read a review and see that voodoo has the most power yet they don't know what the numbers they are reading mean they don't know that that the difference in power is minuscule. These reviews also seldom take in to account the stability of the system.

As I said else where I have serviced two Voodoos in the past (not so few because of their reliability but cause so few people own them) both of these voodoos suffered from cooling issues. The first was a laptop a little over a year old and out of warranty. The fans and heatsink were filled with some dust and hair and because it had beet so aggressively OCed by voodoo it was overheating; similar laptops that I've serviced in the past (not oced) had no problems running with this amount of dust/hair in the fans/heatsink. The second was my friends desktop which was water cooled the problem with it was that the water block on his cpu was lose he had had his voodoo for about two years he had never moved it and he had never opened the case.

How does living in Japan limit you from building a pc?


RE: VoodooPC
By garethcoker on 4/11/2007 6:36:34 PM , Rating: 1
That statement at the top of this post is ridiculous - referring to all the other 'idiot' users.

I never said I couldn't install an OS.

You'll find it takes a great deal of knowledge to run music programming software and get the most of it. And then of course there is the software within the software. (VSTi, VSTFX and so on...)

I know dozens - literally dozens - of composers who use computers. None of them built their PCs, they all know incredible amounts about the software.

Just because you can build a PC doesn't make you special - you do after all fix them for a living - therefore - of course you should know how to put them together!!!

I write music for a living, why should I know how to build a PC?

Your statement about idiot users is quite insulting to the millions of people who spend hours using computers every day to create professional products but don't know how to build one.

I'm sure if I wanted to, I could build a PC. But then - if I wanted to learn other things that I can't do, I could learn about them as well. The fact is - if everyone was always learning - no-one would get anything done....

I understand your issue about Voodoo's price, but at the end of the day, you're not going to sway the users who buy Voodoo - because at this level of expenditure - we're not thinking about price.

Living Japan doesn't limit me I suppose, but it does make it harder. Plus I have a job, I work weekends, and I try to go out with my friends. To be honest - I don't find the idea of building a PC particularly exciting, just like some other people wouldn't find adding EQ and compression to a music mix exciting.


RE: VoodooPC
By Zelvek on 4/12/2007 12:53:40 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry that you think I was calling you an idiot on the whole (ID10T is from a PC joke U5ER=ID10T Error; in other words when a user has a problem with their computer due to his/her computer illiteracy) so I was in effect saying that your PC skills are lacking. Yet again you try to use the defense that you know computers because you can run software but that really doesn't mean much of anything just cause you can drive a car and do donuts doesn't mean you know how it works.

It is true that I don't know how to use music compilation software. However the argument here is about the financial value of a voodoo PC and my ability to use a programs interface does not in any way reflect my ability to interpret that value. Similarly as has already been stated in the previous paragraph your ability to run a program is no wa