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Jim Balsillie  (Source: The Canadian Press )
"That's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!"

Steve Jobs is known for making his over the top comments and calling out the competition whenever he gets the chance. Yesterday, Jobs took direct aim at not only Google's Android OS (which is now shaping up to be a worthy competitor for of the iPhone in the U.S. market), but he also took aim at RIM.

Whereas Jobs' comments about Android came in the "informal" quarterly earnings conference call with investors, he actually took a potshot at RIM in Apple's actual Q3 earnings press release. “iPhone sales of 14.1 million were up 91 percent year-over-year, handily beating the 12.1 million phones RIM sold in their most recent quarter," said Jobs. "We still have a few surprises left for the remainder of this calendar year.”

Well, RIM's co-CEO is tired of taking abuse from Steve Jobs, so he decided to fire back. This is Jim Balsillie's response to Jobs in full courtesy of CrackBerry:

For those of us who live outside of Apple's distortion field, we know that 7" tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience. We also know that while Apple's attempt to control the ecosystem and maintain a closed platform may be good for Apple, developers want more options and customers want to fully access the overwhelming majority of web sites that use Flash. We think many customers are getting tired of being told what to think by Apple. And by the way, RIM has achieved record shipments for five consecutive quarters and recently shared guidance of 13.8 - 14.4 million BlackBerry smartphones for the current quarter. Apple's preference to compare its September-ending quarter with RIM's August-ending quarter doesn't tell the whole story because it doesn't take into account that industry demand in September is typically stronger than summer months, nor does it explain why Apple only shipped 8.4 million devices in its prior quarter and whether Apple's Q4 results were padded by unfulfilled Q3 customer demand and channel orders. As usual, whether the subject is antennas, Flash or shipments, there is more to the story and sooner or later, even people inside the distortion field will begin to resent being told half a story.

Most companies take a more subtle or guarded approach when responding to criticism from competitors (see Andy Rubin's response to Jobs), but Balsillie seems quite passionate about Apple's knack for "changing the channel".



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7" tablets
By Stoanhart on 10/19/2010 6:32:24 PM , Rating: 3
About the only thing I agree with Jobs on is the 7" tablets. What the heck is the purpose of these things? It's not big enough for a "full" browsing experience, but it's too big to fit in my pocket. I can see the appeal of a full size tablet, but these things? Come on!




RE: 7" tablets
By mcnabney on 10/19/2010 6:44:58 PM , Rating: 4
My wife informed me that the 7" form-factor fits nicely in a purse. Seems a bit more useful.

The people I know that have iPads just 'have them'. They might get used while sitting on the couch and that is about it. They bought it because it looked and sounded cool, but it really isn't filling a niche. It is a true gadget, not a tool.


RE: 7" tablets
By melgross on 10/19/10, Rating: 0
RE: 7" tablets
By vol7ron on 10/19/2010 11:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
I've only played with the iPad in Best Buy, I didn't even care much about it to visit the Apple store.

I can say that the apps that I did play with (mostly stock and news apps) are completely different from the phone/pod. I liked that. The weight was still kind of heavy for a 7" form factor. I'd like a little bigger, but it'd have to drop on the scale.


RE: 7" tablets
By slashbinslashbash on 10/20/2010 9:45:23 AM , Rating: 2
iPad is 10".

Jobs says that 7" is too small. It cuts screen area almost in half. A 7" diagonal screen in 3x4 ratio is 5.6"x4.2" or 23.52 square inches. A 10" diagonal screen in 3x4 ratio is 6"x8" or 42 square inches. You could lay two 7" tablets side-by-side and have roughly the same screen area of one 10".

Of course the 7" pads will be cheaper and smaller. I don't know if Jobs' argument is correct, but it seems plausible. The iPad's virtual keyboard is big enough that you can type on it like a normal keyboard, just a little cramped (same size as a netbook keyboard). A 7" screen will just not have the same amount of room. On a little smartphone screen it is obvious that you will have to zoom and scroll a lot to view a webpage or other document. On the iPad this is not necessary in most cases. I don't know how it will work on a 7". I guess it will depend on the screen resolution, but 1024x768 on a 7" screen might be too small to read comfortably. I guess we will have to see when the Android tablets come out.


RE: 7" tablets
By FATCamaro on 10/20/2010 10:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
You're not even taking into account the fact that 7" diagonal in 16:9 is much smaller than 7" diagonal in 4:3. The Blackberry Playbook is 16:9.


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 12:05:04 PM , Rating: 2
By much smaller do you mean less than 9% smaller in terms of area covered?


RE: 7" tablets
By FATCamaro on 10/20/2010 12:18:55 PM , Rating: 2
Right. 9% smaller in area is a big deal when you're already nearly 100% smaller in area than the 10" competition.


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 12:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
I think you've missed the point. It would be just as small if we were comparing a 4:3, 7" to 10" ipad.

The difference between 16:9 and 4:3 is pretty much negligible at that size, thus disproving your 'much smaller' comment. (in which you were not making any comparisons to the 10" ipad, but 7" 4:3 vs 7" 16:9.)


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 11:37:53 AM , Rating: 2
I don't neccesarily agree.

Holding 7" 16:9 device horizontally = 6.1 inches
Holding 10" 4:3 device vertically = 6 inches.
For reference the 10" 4:3 horizontally is 8" on the iPad and 7" 26:9 held vertically is 3.4287".

Here is where things get tricky. I don't know about others, but I just plain can't type proficiently while holding my iPad horizontally, the keys are just spaced too far apart.

Meanwhile I can type perfectly fine in vertical mode which is actually a smaller space than a 16:9 7" tablet held horizontally.

These will be widescreen devices, and if I were to guess, will be made to be held horizontally by default.


RE: 7" tablets
By quiksilvr on 10/20/2010 9:10:47 AM , Rating: 5
Different strokes for different folks.

Some people are fine with carrying their laptop around. Some don't want to and get a netbook.

Some people are fine with carrying their netbook around. Some don't want to and get a 10" tablet.

Some people are fine with carrying their 10" tablet around. Some don't want to and get a 7" tablet.

Some people are fine with carrying their 7" tablet around. Some don't want to and get a smartphone.

And some people are fine with carrying their smartphone around. Some don't want to and get a dumbphone.

There will always be a market if it is created. Apple is just peeved that competitors are thinking one step ahead and decided not to compete with the 10" tablet market. They would rather give customers a choice: You can lug around this Kindle DX, or just get a regular Kindle.


RE: 7" tablets
By rburnham on 10/21/2010 4:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
And some of us just carry a book.


RE: 7" tablets
By DJ Brandon on 10/20/2010 1:27:24 PM , Rating: 2
lol fanboy


RE: 7" tablets
By headbox on 10/19/10, Rating: -1
RE: 7" tablets
By MGSsancho on 10/20/2010 4:56:43 AM , Rating: 5
a $10 app on a $500 device? for than i can get a huge wacom tablet with a pen that has variable pressure sensitivity or a really good touch screen to draw on.


RE: 7" tablets
By The Raven on 10/20/2010 11:27:07 AM , Rating: 1
I think the subliminal is getting to you...

I mean 'Mac'Donalds? Really?


RE: 7" tablets
By B3an on 10/20/2010 7:52:49 PM , Rating: 1
That's retarded even for such an iSheep as yourself.

The drawings apps are utterly useless... no one could use them for actual work. The thought of using an iPad for my design or 3D modelling work is beyond ridiculous. Same with music creation... who would create serious music on an iPad? WTF? Yeah i can really see someone like Aphex Twin using that for his stuff. Even just for fun, why not use a laptop which would be way more capable and more powerful? Not to mention have a proper OS and true professional software available, not $10 junk. If i was to list the limitations for all this stuff on the iPad i would be here all day so i'm not even going to bother, but most of them should be pretty effing obvious. All these apps are useless for anyone who is serious about being creative in any form. They are just gimmicky junk to mess about with for a few minutes then get bored, which is what the iPad is itself anyway.


RE: 7" tablets
By GWD5318 on 10/20/2010 10:38:42 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
My wife informed me that the 7" form-factor fits nicely in a purse....


Um, she was talking about a tablet, right?


RE: 7" tablets
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/19/2010 6:48:23 PM , Rating: 5
If Steve is gonna complain about 7" tablets = subpar experience, then I'm gonna complain about the joke that is the new iPod nano


RE: 7" tablets
By Omega215D on 10/20/2010 3:22:19 AM , Rating: 2
I gotta admit the new Ipod Nano fits in with my mobile lifestyle quite well. I have a ZuneHD and Cowon D2 and a Sansa Clip+. The Cowon and ZuneHD are big items that take up quite a bit of space in my pockets for those nights out on the town (NYC so there's subway involved). The Clip+ served that purpose of being small and light but the navigation is a little slow since I filled up the 8GB.

When the new Nano came along I was skeptical (as usual) since Ipods are known to have mediocre sound quality. Well I played with one at the Apple store and the touch screen made navigation (through long song lists) easier and the sound quality was improved over my Clip+ using my Klipsch Image S4. Battery life was longer and the player was slimmer than the Clip+ which made it perfect for my uses. If I want to watch video or something I would use my Motorola Droid 2 for that.


RE: 7" tablets
By GruntboyX on 10/19/2010 7:12:27 PM , Rating: 4
Who cares if it is a 7 inch tablet or 10 inch tablet. Let us look at the screen resolution. 7 inch tablets are sporting a 16x9 form factor and opting for a 1024 x 600 resolution. While the Ipad is going for a 4:3 form factor and is opting for a 1024 x 768 resolution. So we are really talking about the loss of 168 horizontal pixels. The difference is not really that big.

Inches have nothing to do with it, its pixel density.


RE: 7" tablets
By EricMartello on 10/20/2010 3:42:20 AM , Rating: 2
The larger the screen size, the more pixels you need to get a "sharp" image. That is why 1080P is largely irrelevant on screens that are smaller than 50"...and in the case of tablets, 1024x768 would probably be the ideal for both 7 and 10 inch screens.


RE: 7" tablets
By zorxd on 10/20/2010 8:50:53 AM , Rating: 1
That's why your 50" LCD is only 848x480, right? You don't need 1920x1080 unless you go to 50" anyway.


RE: 7" tablets
By SAmely on 10/20/2010 9:49:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The larger the screen size, the more pixels you need to get a "sharp" image. That is why 1080P is largely irrelevant on screens that are smaller than 50"...and in the case of tablets, 1024x768 would probably be the ideal for both 7 and 10 inch screens.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous how HD is a selling point on cell phones and mp3 players with no HD output.


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 11:14:02 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The larger the screen size, the more pixels you need to get a "sharp" image. That is why 1080P is largely irrelevant on screens that are smaller than 50"...and in the case of tablets, 1024x768 would probably be the ideal for both 7 and 10 inch screens.
No, 1024x600 is more than enough for a 7" device, and would actually result in a sharper picture than the iPad for the exact reason the OP stated, it will have a higher pixel density.

You also don't quite seem to understand how our eyes work.
The size of the screen and the resolution are only a tiny piece of the puzzle.

To say you 1080p is irrelevant on displays smaller than 50" is just flat out wrong. If you sit 6 feet away from your 50" 720P TV and 6 feet away from your 1080P TV, the 1080P TV will surely have more detail as your eyes are not far enough away from the display to not be able to perceive the difference.

Not going to do the math, but at 720P @ 50 inches, you would have to be sitting ~14+ feet back to not be able to perceive the difference.

Thats basically what the Apple's 'Rhetina' Display is. If your face is within 10" of the device, your eyes can perceive the pixels. Further way than 10" with its 300+PPI, your eyes cannot. There are always 3 variables involved, Resoltion, screen size, and distance from the screen.(all of which is usually based on 20/20 vision)


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 11:20:45 AM , Rating: 2
For a smaller TV say a 40", you would have to be 9-10 feet back.

Personally I sit around 6-7 feet from my TV, and I can surely tell the difference.

It all depends on the situation.


RE: 7" tablets
By B3an on 10/20/2010 8:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
I can see the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 26" screen at 5 foot away and i dont even have perfect eyesight.
Saying you need a 50" TV for 1080p is absurd. If you also use that screen as a computer display then things are even more obvious if it's only 720p res. For screens over 50" i honestly dont think 1080p is enough.


RE: 7" tablets
By Spivonious on 10/19/2010 7:54:10 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know, that's about the size of a paperback book. Not pocket-size, but a heck of a lot easier to carry than a textbook.


RE: 7" tablets
By marvdmartian on 10/20/2010 9:10:10 AM , Rating: 1
How small of pockets do you have? You do realize that your change pocket in the front of your jeans may be too small, but the back pockets should be more than adequate to fit a 7" tablet, right?

Cuz my 7" tablet sure fits in the back pocket of my Wranglers. Sure, you can't sit on it, nor would you want to, but it's definitely more portable than the 10" ipad (which is about the size of 3/4 of a piece of printer paper, and will require some sort of bag to carry it).

Of course, if you're comfortable having a man bag....


RE: 7" tablets
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 11:00:25 AM , Rating: 2
blah blah blah..

Steve Also said tablets in general were a terrible idea.. and had constantly bashed the idea in the years leading up to the iPads release.

What I don't understand is what any of you let alone Steve Jobs is basing their statements from.

There are NO 7" tablets right now to make any of the inferences you have made. To make the statement that they are not big enough for the full experience is just a load of **** as you cannot possibly know that.

How about we wait until we see some actual 7" tablets and see the UI in action.

P.S You are not fooling anyone Jobs, everything is a bad idea until Apple does it right?. I'll be awaiting your 7" iPad release within the two years as we all know its going to happen.

FYI: I do own an iPad, and I can certainly see a market for smaller 7/8" tablets. Its damn heavy and not as portable as one might think, I think it could be quite cool to have a smaller device that you could put in your jacket pocket or crammed briefcase.


Seriously?
By XSpeedracerX on 10/19/2010 10:20:34 PM , Rating: 5
Oh please. I just have to laugh at the whole 'full Internet experience' bullshit, considering the Mandingulous 10" iPad can't even give you flash. Guess a puny 3.5" or a 4.0" smartphone can't give you that full web experience either, no matter how much it loves adobe then?

Sorry Stevie. You don't run the market by fiat. You cannot just proclimate to it which products will succeed and which will fail. A products success is not determined by Stevie Wonder's immortal Lex Animata proclamations, nor is it determined by any one person's ability to see it's use. Can you tell me what the use of a mouse-less, keyboardless underpowered oversized lap-less laptop using only embedded non-removeable media exclusively and that only uses downloads to access software? Yeah, I can't see one either, but apple just sold 3 million of them and counting. Undoubtedly millions more tablet's will be sold this fall and yes, many of them will be in the seven inch format, whether Stevie Wonder or anyone else thinks they are useful or not.




RE: Seriously?
By SAmely on 10/20/2010 9:54:13 AM , Rating: 2
Wish I could +1 you, but I already posted previously. Good post.


RE: Seriously?
By FATCamaro on 10/20/2010 10:54:45 AM , Rating: 2
What 7" tier 1 tablets are there? Don't talk about tier 2 stuff like joojoo or Archos. Or even worse some crap chinese designed thing.


RE: Seriously?
By XSpeedracerX on 10/20/2010 11:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
"What 7" tier 1 tablets are there?"

Irrelevant. The iPad is the only tablet worth consideration for now. This obviously will not remain constant as the galaxy tab hits the market joined in 2011 by the playbook, as well as long roumored tabs by motorola, HTC, and LG enter the fray, and yes, we will be waiting so see how those offerings measure up before we decide who goes into what tier.


By MeesterNid on 10/19/2010 10:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
"We think many customers are getting tired of being told what to think by Apple." who cares what Apple says!? If you have a brain you make up your own mind regardless of who tells you what to think. As long as they make a product that people buy they can say whatever they want. Now it's great to hear all this yakking from RIM, but until they start making phones that can compete just words aren't going to create margins on the balance sheets.




By Setsunayaki on 10/20/2010 2:49:23 AM , Rating: 1
I love how Apple says "Think Differently" but for the last two years I've been using TS technology on my desktop and have been running Linux....

The "Think Differently" Slogan applies to those who think out of the Box. Apple and Windows are "Competing" against each other throwing ads and insults. In short, the majority of the population is either Apple or Windows...Combine those numbers together and you end up with....over 95%.

If you really want to "THINK DIFFERENTLY", go learn real computing and start building your own utopian operating system by first investigating and learning many Linux/Unix Builds, learning about Kernels and Packages and then making the best OS for your needs given your hardware...

Why do I state this harshly?

The answer comes from the fact that given one user who maintains the same demands upon a system, time does not make a system slowe....It makes it faster!

Your hardware is only as good as the drivers the OS uses to communicate with your hardware. Over time drivers tend to make things faster, and bios flashes fix things...In the end there is some performance improvement..

Not on APPLE or WINDOWS!!...Consider the first and third party developers perform the same crap of changing 2 - 5% of the base code of a piece of software, add a new interface to slow everything down and then add a new feature and release the software upgrade for a few 100 dollars....a pop...

While on Linux the actual SOFTWARE improvements are "FREE" and they tend to actually IMPROVE PERFORMANCE without bloating programs up all the time.

If you want to THINK DIFFERENTLY, you must be willing to do something different as well. APPLE and MICROSOFT to me are two sides of the same coin and the population is what is sandwhiched between them....

Those two have one thing in common...They are for destroying open source and extorting money from the masses with empty promises.


By bigboxes on 10/20/2010 9:02:02 AM , Rating: 2
Clearly one of the most stupidest posts ever on DT. Well, why don't you learn real computing and design and manufacture your own hardware. After all you can tailor your hardware to your make believe OS and you'd have a SUPERCOMPUTER!


By kingius on 10/20/2010 9:06:59 AM , Rating: 2
While I believe you make a lot of good points, I don't see how Linux has escaped the software bloat of recent years, in fact, I see the reverse. Open source has not escaped this trend.


By xti on 10/20/2010 10:03:06 AM , Rating: 2
why would the masses want to do that when they can just buy something for 99bucks-ish?


Less Talk More Substance
By ltcommanderdata on 10/19/2010 6:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe 7" tablets "will" make up a significant portion of the market, but I don't see them showing up all over the place on store shelves. People may not like Steve Jobs talking down other tablet products, but he does have the advantage of actually having one on the market. After 6 months, and with all the talk of more options from the competition being better for consumers, let's actually see some of them selling, before talking who's taking what theoretical share of the market.




RE: Less Talk More Substance
By Alexstarfire on 10/19/2010 10:24:44 PM , Rating: 4
Ummm, Apple was one of the last people to get into the tablet market.


RE: Less Talk More Substance
By SAmely on 10/20/2010 9:57:30 AM , Rating: 2
Very true, but the Slate (which is what an iPad is) is now pushing itself into the "Tablet" aspect of the portable nomenclature. So, slates are now tablets, and tablets are now "older tablets" ? Who knows, but what's going to be interesting is when they pull numbers on the tablet market, will the older tablets be included, or will it just include the slates that have taken over the category.


That's Balsilie for you
By MrTeal on 10/19/2010 10:31:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most companies take a more subtle or guarded approach when responding to criticism from competitors (see Andy Rubin's response to Jobs), but Balsillie seems quite passionate about Apple's knack for "changing the channel".


I don't know how much hockey you follow, but Balsillie is quite passionate and vocal about everything.




RE: That's Balsilie for you
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/19/2010 10:35:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hockey? What's that? :)

Sorry, but hockey just doesn't register around here like football, baseball, and basketball.


RE: That's Balsilie for you
By xthetenth on 10/20/2010 11:09:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hockey? What's that? :)


It's what the cool kids play. And I'm in Chapel Hill, of all places to be not paying attention to basketball.


RE: That's Balsilie for you
By omnicronx on 10/20/2010 12:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
Ya he is known as a big loudmouth ;)

I would not take too much he says seriously.

He is the canadian version of Mark Cuban haha.


Distortion field lol
By carniver on 10/19/2010 7:28:53 PM , Rating: 3
Funny to see a CEO use that term, he must be getting rather displeased.

Let the dogs fight!




By msheredy on 10/20/2010 10:36:11 AM , Rating: 1
Really? That's the best line they could come back with?




By bupkus on 10/20/2010 1:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
As for me, well... I don't listen to the Apple channel. I find more interesting reading by the many comments and replies.
Without question I find many good statements by people who don't seem to have an agenda or bone to pick. An astute reader can glean through the chafe, fanboisms and emotional tirades enough to know the correct questions to ask and make a best decision. If you can't manage that you'll be playing poker with someone else's hand.


?
By damianrobertjones on 10/20/2010 9:36:54 AM , Rating: 2
"Customers are getting tired of being told what to think by Apple"

No, they're not. The normal consumer has purchased their device and is beavering away doing things the long way with iTunes. They don't care about tech, DailyTech, the head or Rim or Google, they have their shiny device and that's it.

Personally, I wouldn't be seen dead with an iPhone due to various reasons but then again, I'm not a standard consumer.




Ha!
By rburnham on 10/21/2010 4:49:28 PM , Rating: 2
Nice quote from Metalocolypse.




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