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RIM's Blackberry smart phones helped revolutionize the industry.   (Source: The Baltimore Sun)

Now the company appears to be plodding slowly towards extinction as app developers and customers abandon it.  (Source: George Arthur Bush)
Developers are dropping support for RIM like a bad habit

Software developer Seesmic, maker of popular social media management smartphone apps, delivered stinging news to Canadian-based smartphone maker Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM), commenting in a blog post:

Effective June 30th, Seesmic will discontinue support for Blackberry in order to focus development efforts on our most popular mobile platforms: Android, iOS and Windows Phone 7.

While normally it would be foolish to microanalyze app defections, this was merely the latest development in a broad trend of top developers abandoning RIM this year.  Bloomberg reports that Purple Forge Corp., a maker of political campaign an polling apps, will drop general support for the platform, offering it only if clients specially request it.  Likewise, Mobile Roadie LLC, which makes apps for fans of the Miami Dolphins and country singer Taylor Swift, says it is ditching support for Blackberries.

Reportedly one key factor is that developing for RIM handsets is complex, thanks to a large amount of hardware inputs and a less than modern API that fails to match the ease of Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android, Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iOS, or Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Windows Phone 7.

Purple Forge CEO Brian Hurley reflects this, commenting, "As soon as RIM brought in a touchscreen and mixed it with a thumbwheel, a keyboard and shortcut keys, it made it really difficult and expensive to develop across devices. What Apple scored big on is having a touch screen and a button and that’s it. In deploying Apple applications, there are very few surprises. In Android, there are increasingly more surprises. But in BlackBerry, there are immediately lots of gotchas across the board.”

Like struggling Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj. (HEL:NOK1V), RIM is counting on an OS change to reverse its fortunes.  In early 2012, it will switch to using QNX's operating system in its new smartphones.  RIM's first QNX product was the PlayBook tablet, released in April -- a year after RIM acquired the small Canadian OS maker.



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Next BlackBerry phone
By MeesterNid on 6/27/2011 9:56:18 PM , Rating: 5
...should be the BlackBerry Fold.




RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Souka on 6/28/2011 11:44:45 AM , Rating: 3
+1 for MeesterNid.

For a few years (during which the iphone was released) I was a Blackberry admin (BES + phone accounts).

The BB absouletly was an excellent tool, and a very useable device...when compared to the Kyocera and Windows smartphone offerings. 95% of the time when someone requested switching to a Windows device within 30 days wanted to be back on a BB.

But since the iPhone...and Android....I really do not like using them. The ONLY good market I see them for is the >older< executive business people. They just need a phone to make calls an email and RIM still excells at this.

But for 95% of non-business smartphone users and perhaps 75% of the business sector, I'd say stick with WinMo7, iPhone or Android devices.

I know people bash Winmo7....but it's actually a good business tool...excellent exchange email/calendar integration (duh).

And for me personally.... I'm absoultly dreading what going to happen soon at my work. We're switching from Android/Win platform which is rich full featured and low-cost plan with Verizon (with truely unlimited GB) to ATT and RIM devices.

My parent company loves RIM...rather the 2 or 3 people at the top do...so we're locked in.

I use pretty much all 4 smartphone platforms on a weekly basis...and really do not like RIM anymore..

My $.02 of dribble.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:05:34 PM , Rating: 1
You will like RIM again when Bold 9900 and Torch 2 are out this August/September. I already posted a video here where early Bold 9900 alpha pwned iPhone 4 in a real life web browsing speed test. It will only get better from there when they move their phones to QNX instead of the old BlackBerry OS.

And Playbook is the best tablet for mobile web surfing at the moment, just ask myself or Anand, we both agree on that :P


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! hahahah... "pwned" lolz fail


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:17:01 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
lolz iPhone fail
Yeah, Bold was 2 seconds faster in rendering web page than iPhone 4, iPhone fail indeed :)))


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Mitch101 on 6/28/2011 1:38:21 PM , Rating: 2
Im a messaging engineer what you might want to consider is the Blackberry browser for compatibility which has a number of issues with Javascript. While it might render CERTAIN pages faster the inability to interpret certain javascript commands makes some page options and selections not possible while using the blackberry browser. Try using your blackberry browser on Sharepoint sometime and see how far it gets. Changing the blackberry browser compatibility to IE or Firefox resolves a lot of that javascript compatibility issues but now you just changed the performance of the browser and the experience is lost and the user frustrated. I would opt or compatibility over speed. I can wait an extra second to ensure I can use the submit button after filling out a form. Nothing more fun than filling out a form and not being able to submit it because the interpreter is lacking in the onclick not empty ability.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 2:18:09 PM , Rating: 2
Probably this stuff you're talking about is fixed in BB OS 7 and Playbook QNX browsers


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Lord 666 on 6/28/2011 3:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
Carriers do not care about BBOS7. Hell, BBOS 6 is severly flawed with the sideways scrolling, bloated, and removed core functionality of the seven dots button to go up one level. Not to mention BBOS is bloated and makes the dates CPUs really struggle.

OS's don't sell phones, features do. So when does Playbook support Android 2.x material? RIM dropped the ball by releasing a half-baked product with its only saving grace not even included at launch.

I'm a huge BB/RIM fan, but I can't lie to myself of how those dumb co-CEO's blew the biggest technological lead seen in history.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 4:11:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
with its only saving grace not even included at launch
So what? Apple Mac's saving grace (compatibility with Windows) was not included from the start either.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
Awesome so you want developers to code apps for a what ? 5th platform to make 1 app ?

fail

go get your check from your media firm. and keep posting. its clear you are a forum-advertiser.

your not convincing anyone here to "run out and buy a BB"...

*WE* are the new market... *WE* buy the products. *WE* are buying android and IOS phones not because they can save us 2 seconds. we are buying them because we like them more than you.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
*WE* are the new market
Since when did Internet trolls became the new market?


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
um you understand that QNX doesn't develop browsers right?

jezuz your a lousy advertiser... they use the webkit engine. They pay third party developers to modify it.

QNX is a OS ... not a browser. and by using third party browsers they did not develop, they introduce more potential breaking points for apps and web client engines like vpn, rdp etc...


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 9:41:00 PM , Rating: 1
eat this, moron:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/rim-playb...

"The U.S. Army is leaning toward the PlayBook because RIM addressed security concerns from the get-go"

hehe, it's not your cheapo android crap nobody cares about :P


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 5:55:46 PM , Rating: 2
again who cares when nobody wants to pay 3-5x as much to develop a app for a platform nobody likes.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:19:59 PM , Rating: 1
"Platform nobody likes" has 40 million subscribers and raked in 20 billions in revenue for RIM, so why don't you stop looking stupid?


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Lord 666 on 6/28/2011 12:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
Its the exclusive contracts that are partially to blame for the loss of business for RIM. Put the Torch 2 on Verizon with LTE and it will sell.

VZW is still up in the air if it will carry the Playbook.

I am looking forward to the new Bold myself, currently playing with a Trophy. The only thing that takes the Trophy out of the running is lack of default device encryption... even with the lack of LTE.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By name99 on 6/28/2011 9:27:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You will like RIM again when Bold 9900 and Torch 2 are out this August/September. I already posted a video here where early Bold 9900 alpha pwned iPhone 4


So your argument is that the NEW Blackberry devices, to be shipped in Q3, are slightly faster than the CURRENT iOS device?

Hmm, that would be troubling if Apple planned to never ship an improved iPhone.
I wonder when that new iPhone will be shipping?


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By Lord 666 on 6/28/2011 12:07:46 PM , Rating: 1
Then you must be the worlds most ignorant mobile device admin...

Name a handset manufacturer that supports DoD encryption out of the box? Answer: Only RIM

What handset encryption method is supported by the HTC Trophy? Answer: None

Why does the Xoom has device level encryption but the Thunderbolt does not? Answer: No idea. Yes, I know that the Sprint Exprt and Droid Pro do.

What default encryption method does the iPhone using iOS 4.x allow? Answer: None

Sure I only used Verizon/Sprint examples, but in verticals that require encryption methods (oh, lets say healthcare, public sector, etc) then that will become RIM's niche.

Its is my opinion that RIM's best hope for survival is being purchased by Cisco.


RE: Next BlackBerry phone
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
Or microsoft. true they'd strip them bare and feats on the carcass.


Rim
By icanhascpu on 6/27/2011 6:31:40 PM , Rating: 1
had apps? I wonder why they lost here? Morons a few years lame. This is why competition and innovation is good. Imagine if RIM was in charge of the nest great thing.




Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Judging by this video...
By BastiWebMaster on 6/27/2011 6:31:15 PM , Rating: 5
What about marketing? Microsoft had a better product(Zune) than Apple(iPod) but in the end it had embarassing sales and had to shelve it.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Judging by this video...
By kleinma on 6/27/2011 7:31:19 PM , Rating: 5
not quite a clone. I have an 8gb zune someone gave to me, and I love the thing. It does wifi sync (something apple is soon to be "cloning" in the iPod/iPhone). It has a screen I can actually still read in daylight when I use it outside for yard work. The people who design apple products must simply never see daylight. It does a host of other nice things that set it pretty far apart from an ipod. I mean what does an ipod do, it plays music, and certainly wasn't the first device to do so. So in what ways is the zune a clone? Your assertion that zune wasn't better than iPod is nothing more than the opinion of someone who probably owns an ipod, and probably never used a zune.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 7:35:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I mean what does an ipod do, it plays music
iPod Touch does a host of other nice things besides just playing music


RE: Judging by this video...
By name99 on 6/28/2011 10:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It has a screen I can actually still read in daylight when I use it outside for yard work. The people who design apple products must simply never see daylight.


WTF are you talking about? I live in LA, a city with plenty of sun. I frequently walk on various errands, to the library etc, and I watch lectures on my iPod nano 3G while I walk. I've never had a problem with sunlight.

It's fair to criticize real Apple problems, for example their support for spoken word material is crappy (though far superior to that of MS), and they don't offer high speed video playback (of course neither does MS). But criticizing non-problems is just stupid.

And I'd say the same about your wifi sync snark. If you think iCloud is purely about syncing your music tracks, you're completely missing the larger ambition and vision of the technology.


RE: Judging by this video...
By jimbojimbo on 6/30/2011 2:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
Many people also think that the ipod was the very first mobile mp3 player as well so they say that anything that plays mp3s is an ipod clone. Truly ignorant people they are.


RE: Judging by this video...
By djdjohnson on 6/27/2011 8:21:20 PM , Rating: 3
The Zune was (and still is) absolutely a much better music player than any iPod (or iPhone) has ever been. More consistent interface, subscription and streaming options, better controls for managing playlists, artist bios and pictures, far better podcast support... Plus the desktop software is much faster, easier to use, has a better interface, and is much more reliable besides being much better looking. The iOS ecosystem has the Zune beat in terms of apps (the Zune doesn't even show up for that contest), but in terms of music playback, the Zune wins hands down.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Belard on 6/29/2011 10:50:29 AM , Rating: 2
to playback music.... only a few buttons controls are needed.

Play, FF, back, stop/pause.

My $30 Sandisk Clip does what I need. The display has 3 rows and is off most of the time.

Zune did improve with age... but the market has move on and MS has stopped making ZUNEs. Apple has created the MP3 standard and by using it same rather large interface connector - it *IS* a standard.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Belard on 6/29/2011 10:45:04 AM , Rating: 1
Back in the 80s, the Amiga was easily far more powerful (and cheaper) than any MS-DOS computer. MS didn't have a "modern" computer OS until Windows95 in late 95. (Windows3.x and below are not Operating Systems and were pure crap).

Amiga did video, gaming, audio and very useful and productive Multi-tasking. Mac didn't multi-tasking in the 80s, improved task-switching was added in the 90s... but not until OS-X, did they have real Multi-tasking.

Yet, Amiga pretty much died in 92~93 because of the stupid company that owned it and market forces that wanted compatibility with "MS-DOS", they they wanted something better.

Zune wasn't better... it had some added features, but thats it... and they were ugly brown clones of iPods.

The market supports 2, maybe 3 devices when it comes to electronics or technology. (IE: you can still build a NEW "Amiga" system with a recent OS... a few thousand people in the world own such systems. No development, should be ZERO viruses too).

For Cell Phones & tablets: Android, iOS and WinPhone7 are the top 3... Since MS actually did something DIFFERENT and good with WP7, I'd place them above RIM - 3rd place.

RIM failed the Playbook because they showed incompetence with releasing a half-baked product. Spending an extra 2-3 months to perhaps fix its bugs and put on an email & contact manager would have gone a long way.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 12:35:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
RIM failed the Playbook because they showed incompetence with releasing a half-baked product
I heard the same things about half-baked iPhone 2G when it was released in 2007.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/27/2011 6:33:19 PM , Rating: 5
Hahahaha... having the best interface doesn't mean squat when it's supported by the most convoluted OS and emulator. BB needs to evolve or DIE... and running android apps in a emulator is not it.

Simply put like this article stipulates, Developing for BB is a pain and costs more money than the generic OS of Google and controlled API's of Apple... ergo to save money developers are abandoning BB. If *you* budget and target market shrank double digits EVERY year you'd stop shoving money in the trash bin as well. BB is as depicted in the article.. the king of all dinosaurs... right at the cusp of extinction.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Judging by this video...
By djdjohnson on 6/27/2011 8:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
Well, running Windows apps on Macs isn't really emulation. Under Boot Camp everything is running natively, and under Parallels/Fusion the code is running natively on the CPU, with a translation layer to allow access to the hardware at near-native speeds. Emulation would be required if the CPU architecture was different, which it is not.

Even with that said, though... My experience running apps under Parallels/Fusion hasn't exactly been pleasant. It's still kind of a kludge.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
BB, regardless of slow a$$ qnx, will not run close to metal or bare metal. who in their right mind would ever allow a app to crash a phone.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:51:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
will not run close to metal or bare metal
Oh, so you never heard about JVM then. never mind, I thought you'd know something about that at least but are just another illiterate troll


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:35:50 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! HAHAHA... wow... seriously ? that is your reply? that qnx is not emulation ? unless the binaries are exactly the same AS GOOGLES... ITS EMULATION.

and the reason "parralels" works for mac, is the cpu makes up for the nearly 40% performance hit that's involved. not phone can do that.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
your missing the point of the article and my reply. Nobody want to spend 3-5x the money to develop 1 app. hence, developers dropping RIM as a target platfrom


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
They will come back when RIM deploys QNX on all of their devices.

Remember how everyone was abandoning Mac OS 9 since it was so crappy and how everyone came back when Apple replaced ancient OS 9 with OS X? Don't you forget about this.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
Last time i checked... most of Apples premier apps... never came back.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:12:58 PM , Rating: 1
Even Autodesk came back, would you like to come out of your trolley cave and have a look around eh? lotsa surprises like Autodesk around!


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:34:58 PM , Rating: 1
LOL! HAHAHA... wow... seriously ? that is your reply? that qnx is not emulation ? unless the binaries are exactly the same AS GOOGLES... ITS EMULATION.

and the reason "parralels" works for mac, is the cpu makes up for the nearly 40% performance hit that's involved. not phone can do that.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Tony Swash on 6/27/2011 7:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
where new Blackberry Bold 9900 pwns iPhone 4 in a real life web browser speed test I'd say RIM knows about their shortcomings and already fixes them. Playbook is the best tablet for browsing the web these days, these new Blackberries 9900 and 9930 look like hot items too judging by the previews I've seen so far, and the situation will likely be even better when QNX replaces Blackberry OS on their handsets too. Should be much, much better platform to develop apps for. WRT to the multitude of input methods - I've seen quite a few BB junkies gloating about best keyboard and best trackpad on their BBs, now BB 9900 will add best touch screen to that, I dunno, seems like RIM would like to keep it as a distinguishing factor. If they ditch their signature keyboard and trackpad they will look like another generic Android/Apple handset, probably not the wisest move would that be eh?


Normal peple don't care about this sort of stuff. As long as the hardware is more or less as good the competition it doesn't matter. What matters is the eco-system, the value stack, what services the device connects to, the range of apps available, how many accesories there are for it, can I plug it in my car and stereo. RIM dropped the ball on all that stuff, actualy they never really managed to pick it up in the first place. Now they are almost certainly out of time.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 9:06:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What matters is the eco-system, the value stack, what services the device connects to, the range of apps available, how many accesories there are for it, can I plug it in my car and stereo
By all these metrics Apple lost the war with Microsoft's eco-system, but still Apple sells Macs for a nice profit.

Same happens with RIM now. They may lose the war just like Apple lost the war but they will still sell niche little handsets for some nice profit, even when their market share is as low as Mac's. Got it? :)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Tony Swash on 6/28/2011 9:12:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
By all these metrics Apple lost the war with Microsoft's eco-system, but still Apple sells Macs for a nice profit. Same happens with RIM now. They may lose the war just like Apple lost the war but they will still sell niche little handsets for some nice profit, even when their market share is as low as Mac's. Got it? :)


I think RIM may be a bit more like Osborne Computer Corporation than Apple. Maybe they can find their niche and survive, I won't be buying any of their shares in a hurry though :)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 10:58:16 AM , Rating: 1
Looking at Apple CEO health... I wouldn't buy any of their sharez either


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:46:59 PM , Rating: 2
BB will be sold or die before his jobbs-ness gives up the ghost. hmm.. that would be a kicker if his last dying wish was to by and snuff BB ;)


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
eat this, troll

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/49725.php

"BlackBerry phones are the least likely to develop hardware issues"


RE: Judging by this video...
By ltcommanderdata on 6/27/2011 10:29:01 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think I should be overjoyed that a yet to be released Blackberry is faster than a 1 year old iPhone 4. Especially when the Bold 9900's CPU is clocked 50% higher than the iPhone 4. If it wasn't faster, RIM is really doing something wrong.

RIM's big problem right now is execution. They spend a whole year after the original iPad was released talking smack about how much more powerful their upcoming Playbook was, how having a dual core CPU sets their device apart from the iPad. And guess what, after all that talk, by the time the Playbook is released, it's not competing against the iPad 1 but against the iPad 2, which also has a 1GHz dual core Cortex A9 and a much faster GPU to boot.

Similarly, it's looking increasingly likely that by the time the Bold 9900 is released it'll be competing against the iPhone 5 and iOS 5. I'll be reserving judgement on who pwns who until the Bold 9900 is actually released, whether it'll be early enough to still face the iPhone 4 or late enough to face the iPhone 5.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 10:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
True, people who buy by hardware specs may not opt for a BlackBerry, just because some Android or iPhone may have bigger GeeBees, but (!) the same thing could be said about Macs, right? Still, people buy Macs, even though Mac hardware is not the fastest. Which means what? Which means hardware specs NOT ALWAYS matter. Got it?


RE: Judging by this video...
By retrospooty on 6/28/2011 9:19:56 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, this is true, but Mac is a compelling OS that alot of people like. The OS makes it, not the hardware.

In hte case of Blackberry, thier OS is the weekness. 4 years behind the rest of the world - comared to IOS, Android 2.2 (or higher) or WebOS, BB's os it total crap, and that is why its being dumped on.


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!!! QNX ??? outside of POS, medical stations and "Kiosks" no-one will recognize that QNX is a RT flavor of linux..

in fact forum troll/advertiser... what does the acro "rt" mean for QNX ? I bet you have to look it up...

Hoping that your web os shell layed on top of a no-name super niche Linux derivative is your best hope?

o.0 omg.... you really need your ass kicked and review your gorilla forum advertising plans...

if your hoping splashy web adverts and forum posts are going to amount to a product recovery you are god damned insane...out side of dev's and linux geeks... nobody IN REAL LIFE is going to know anything bout a RT kernel. or any benifits from it. let alone web os ported on top of it.

you do understand that the glib's for QNX are so terrible that you ARE going to loose HORRIBLY in all graphic level benchmarks right ?

scratch that, there not terrible. there just not designed to win "multimedia" tests. let alone drive a hdmi display at 60fps for full 80megabyte bit rates.

if BB really wants to survive they need to get off their asses, license Kal-el, and buy the rights to something else besides QNX. thats ***IF*** they are willing to co-develope apps during the platform transition. but they wont.

and that's why they will continue to loose high single and low double digit market shares until those last few hold out contracts remain... then they will die.

Seriously ? QNX is your hope and life line ? there is a reason they have never been in the phone market before. and 3 generations from now you will understand why.

THERE IS A VALID REASON THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED IN THE REVIEWS, not the paid for review-tising BS reviews.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 12:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
THERE IS A VALID REASON THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED IN THE REVIEWS
The only thing trashed here is your dead brain, stupid zombie :) In reality reviews are quite favorable, like this one:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4266/blackberry-play...

"Web page compatibility is ridiculously good with the PlayBook's browser, partially due to RIM's excellent implementation of hardware accelerated Flash 10.2. Corner cases that wouldn't work on Android or iOS work perfectly on the PlayBook. PlayBook offers the best browsing experience from a pure software standpoint of any of the tablets"

munch on this one, moron :)))


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:10:26 PM , Rating: 2
Hahahaha.... to bad nobody will develop any apps for it. with luck BB will be bought out by Microsoft.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
"nobody will develop apps for QNX" (C) maxxcool
"nobody will buy an iPhone" (C) Ballmer

"dumb and dumber" anyone?


RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:23:12 PM , Rating: 1
Says the man who thinks that a youtube video is going to sway a developer back to a aged expensive terrible to develop for platform, soon to be replaced by a nearly unheard of linux derivative, hoping to run the web os that recently got such back reviews that they actually used the word "shit" in quotable text.

again- BB costs to much money for app developers to code for. that's why they are leaving.


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/11, Rating: 0
RE: Judging by this video...
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:32:12 PM , Rating: 1
HAHAHA the same play book almost 80% of all reviews calls a pos ?

like cnn ?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/04/14/...

Better yet follow this link and see HUNDREDS of articles condemning that piece of crap.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UT...


RE: Judging by this video...
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 8:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
Blackberry
By allinonetool on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 7:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
Just did a quick check on rogers.com. BlackBerry Pearl is $10 with a contract and $250 without it. Even highest end BlackBerry Torch is $50-$150 cheaper than iPhone 4 (if purchased with contract), so why don't you just shut up and stop spreading lies?


RE: Blackberry
By allinonetool on 6/27/2011 8:28:15 PM , Rating: 1
contracts are no good. wait till you get a bill for 600$ for 1 month


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 9:10:14 PM , Rating: 1
I'll wait till you shut up and look at the $250 price for BlackBerry Pearl WITHOUT CONTRACT. Is this number starting to sink into your thick skull now?


RE: Blackberry
By allinonetool on 6/27/11, Rating: -1
RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 9:36:33 PM , Rating: 2
ya skull is thicker than I thought, son


RE: Blackberry
By 91TTZ on 6/28/2011 10:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
You're really making yourself look bad here. You're getting emotional over a damn PHONE.


RE: Blackberry
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/28/2011 3:54:01 PM , Rating: 2
It's like this all the time with him....


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 4:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
hi clown, why so serious?


RE: Blackberry
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/28/2011 4:37:31 PM , Rating: 2
Only clown here is you, so sit down, and have a nice tall glass of STFU...


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 4:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
don't get so twitchy cheesy, or ya cork will pop


RE: Blackberry
By allinonetool on 6/28/2011 9:06:15 PM , Rating: 2
fail


RE: Blackberry
By RussianSensation on 6/29/2011 3:48:31 PM , Rating: 2
Pirks is an idiot that needs to be banned. The worst troll on DailyTech. What a waste of air and space.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 4:07:08 PM , Rating: 2
Don't take the piss, Boris


RE: Blackberry
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:40:25 PM , Rating: 2
It's because he is a paid advertroller.... its pretty obvious....

or .. he really is pissed bout the performance of all his emulated appz on the playbook.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
please don't envy me and Anand, he said in his review playbook has the best web browser among mobile ones, and I have to admit he was right, it is indeed


RE: Blackberry
By Targon on 6/27/2011 10:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
If a device can't compete well, then it can't compete. Not everything is about the number of apps, but in the case of Blackberry devices, you can't be sure that what works on one device will work on ALL Blackberry devices. Picture if you wrote a Windows app that had to be specifically coded to work with each brand of computer, even if all are running the same version of Windows. THAT is a huge part of what is killing Blackberry.

Now, if you want a competing device, the Palm Pre Plus, which has been out for over a year is a better device in almost every way compared to the Blackberry Pearl.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/27/2011 10:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you can't be sure that what works on one device will work on ALL Blackberry devices
So what? Android is exactly the same - you write some app and it won't work on ALL Android devices. And this didn't hurt Android at all, did it? Therefore, it doesn't hurt BlackBerry too.


RE: Blackberry
By cjohnson2136 on 6/28/2011 3:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
I would agree but I think that has to do with the number of apps on the marketplace.

Let's say you want a dice app. Now BB has 3 dice apps and Android has 50 dice apps. The chances of finding a non working dice app on BB would be much higher because there are fewer choices. While the chances of finding one on Android would be much lower. Even if you did find a bad one on Android there are still 49 others that could work.

I think this would be the only case in which the greater the number of duplicate apps can help.


RE: Blackberry
By Belard on 6/29/2011 11:13:56 AM , Rating: 2
When Commodore went out of business (stupid stupid company) in 1993- they had about 4-6 Amiga models on the market.
A2000 (1987) - ADOS 1.3 : because many hardware devices depended on it. 100% compatible (most had CPU upgrade cards that ran great).
A500 (1987) - ADOS 1.3 : 100% compatible with games.
A600 - ADOS 2.2 (tiny keyboard computer) Ugly white & brown
A1200 - ADOS 3.0 (full size keyboard computer)
A4000 - ADOS 3.0
A4000T - ADOS 3.0 (Tower, looked like an ugly clone)
A3000/t - ADOS 2.0/2.1 (recently retired with the 4000s on market)

So depending on what computer you got, you'd get 1 of 4 OSed pre-installed?! What stupid crap was that? BTW: I had the 1985 Amiga running hacked ADOS 3.0... so it was stupid to for ANY company to do this. They could have made a "game mode" 1.3 at least.

Have splinters like this is a problem. Even Nokia is having growing pains with 4 different Phone OSs. Dumb, Meego, Symbian and WP7. Until they retire Meego (which is actually decent) and Symbian, they'll have problems.


RE: Blackberry
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 12:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
to bad i have yet to run into a "incompatible app" on my glacier...


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 12:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
to bad i have yet to run into a "incompatible app" on my torch...


RE: Blackberry
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:36:56 PM , Rating: 2
with emulation. you will.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/29/2011 12:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
JVM is no emulation, idioto :)))


RE: Blackberry
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
ummm i can run apps designed for android 1.5... and do. run a 3 year old app for rim on your shiny torch *without* emulation... gluck.


RE: Blackberry
By maxxcool on 6/28/2011 6:42:40 PM , Rating: 2
It's cheap because there is no demand... simple economics. *if* everyone wanted one it would be just as spendy as a IOS device in gold-plated-latinum.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 7:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's cheap because there is no demand
Right, so iPhone 3GS has no demand too? Since it costs $49 on apple.com? You must be really dumb then


RE: Blackberry
By cjohnson2136 on 6/28/2011 3:26:20 AM , Rating: 2
You complain about this yet almost all the android, iphone, and wp7 phones are around 500 or more without a contract. So I don't really see your issue. Are you saying you won't buy a smartphone at all because you it's too expensive. Plus who really buys without a contract. A smartphone does not do you a lot of good with out cell service or data plan.


RE: Blackberry
By Arsynic on 6/28/2011 10:09:32 AM , Rating: 2
They are failing because the OS and phone are outdated. Slate phones with full touch screens are what people want. This is why Palm and RIM's phones are flops. They still think it's 2001 and that their form factors are still relevant. At least HP/Palm has webOS. RIM's only hope is to adapt the Playbook's OS to slate phones and call it BB OS 7.



RE: Blackberry
By Flunk on 6/28/2011 10:27:09 AM , Rating: 2
They shouldn't have bothered with the playbook at all. They should have focused on their core products and released BB OS 7 based on QNX first.


RE: Blackberry
By Nutzo on 6/28/2011 10:57:10 AM , Rating: 2
Touch screens are the "trendy" option, but I can type much faster on a keyboard.
The advantage of the Android platform is choice, and that I can have the best of both world. A touch screen for simple fuctions, and a slide out keyboard when I need to type something.


RE: Blackberry
By Pirks on 6/28/2011 11:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A touch screen for simple fuctions, and a slide out keyboard when I need to type something
BlackBerry Torch


RE: Blackberry
By Pessimism on 6/28/2011 11:22:45 AM , Rating: 1
You'd rather enjoy the butthurt of $649-$749 plus taxes for Apple's latest shiny toy?


RE: Blackberry
By Belard on 6/29/2011 11:20:29 AM , Rating: 2
Huh?

Most *MOST* people buy phone on contracts. an iPhone4 is $200~300 (depending on memory) which is inline with other similar top-end smart phones. at&t has many smart phones for $0~50, including GalaxyS & HTCs.

Buying ANY smart phone, Apple, SONY, HTC off contract is in the $300~700 price range. My last "no-contract" SONY was $220, not a smart phone at all.


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