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It's fighting to keep up with the PlayStation 4

Microsoft gave its upcoming Xbox One console a graphics performance boost in an effort to compete with the PlayStation 4

Xbox Live VP Marc Whitten said that the Xbox One's GPU clock speed is now 853MHz, up from the previous 800MHz. 

While Microsoft seems to be making an effort, it still doesn't quite touch the PS4. According to The Verge, the PS4 still beats the Xbox One in raw graphics power by about 40 percent. 

Microsoft also announced other changes, such as a "mono driver," which is supposed to be a 100 percent optimized graphics driver for the Xbox One. 

Microsoft announced its Xbox One console in late May. The new machine will feature an APU with eight x86-64 cores; 8GB of DDR3 RAM; a GPU based on an AMD GCN architecture; a 500 GB non-replaceable hard drive; three USB 3.0 ports; HDMI, and a Blu-ray optical drive. 

Sony announced the PS4 in June, which is a $399 console featuring an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar CPU built by AMD; a Radeon GPU comprised of 18 compute units (achieves 1.84 TFLOPS); a 6x Blu-ray drive; 8GB of GDDR5 of unified RAM; USB 3.0; Bluetooth 2.1; HDMI; optical out, and 802.11n Wi-Fi.

Sony has been ahead of the game with the PS4 thanks to the Xbox One being more expensive, having more DRM and being slower. The Xbox One has received a lot of criticism for the restrictions it placed on gamers, such as the used games ban and the new "always-on" digital rights management (DRM) system, which posed a problem for many people who are either in rural areas with slow Internet connections, travelling or experience Internet issues with providers. Microsoft later retracted these features after major complaints, and is now working to keep up with Sony. 

Source: The Verge



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Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 1:00:54 PM , Rating: 1
That would be a laugher if they had another heat problem on the new console. Too many people had 4 or more repair/swaps done on the 360. Some people had it in for repair alot more, like over 8x.




RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Argon18 on 8/2/13, Rating: -1
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By inperfectdarkness on 8/2/2013 1:54:56 PM , Rating: 1
The thing could could have a $600 GPU in it, and I still wouldn't buy one on principle.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
By GulWestfale on 8/2/2013 3:28:55 PM , Rating: 3
will the NSA's integrated spy app now run 53Mhz faster, too?


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Argon18 on 8/2/13, Rating: -1
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 5:10:48 PM , Rating: 3
"When did MS ever give two craps about customer sat?"

Windows 7... They took all the complaints about Vista and came back with a vengeance. Maybe "customer sat" isnt the right term, but they certainly took note of what their customers wanted and made the product to address those issues. With Win8 and XBO they clearly are NOT doing that any longer and are pushing their own agenda on us regardless of what people want.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By sprockkets on 8/3/2013 6:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
And then came Windows8


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By jjlj on 8/4/2013 10:16:55 AM , Rating: 2
and hopefully a better 8.1 experence.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Motoman on 8/2/2013 1:33:52 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By twobitcoder on 8/2/2013 4:18:51 PM , Rating: 3
I've been running Windows 7 for 3 years and only reboot about once every 6 months (usually only during a thunderstorm). Normally my PC hibernates all night and never actually boots. But, HA. HA. You're funny. That joke is only like 14 years old now.


By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 6:15:11 PM , Rating: 4
The positive side is he will never be on Xbox live on the negative side we never get to head shot him in Halo.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By InsGadget on 8/2/2013 2:34:39 PM , Rating: 3
Time for my educate-the-idiots-on-DailyTech post.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162889-xbox-one-...


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 3:09:31 PM , Rating: 2
You say that as if defects dont happen. Was the original Xbox 360 designed to fail with RROD? Of course not... But alot of people had multiple repair cycles.

I will trust MS when 2-3 years have gone by and no major defects are found. TYVM


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/13, Rating: -1
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/2/2013 3:37:58 PM , Rating: 2
Posting an article from 2011 to try to make your point? LOL


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By xti on 8/2/2013 6:42:01 PM , Rating: 2
awe man, thought you got banned from always insulting people.

hope everyone buys both, think people miss out too much on this whole company allegiance thing.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By EnzoFX on 8/2/2013 4:59:09 PM , Rating: 2
SRAM performance is strictly theoretical at this point. So until it's seen in practice, it offers no measurable gains. It's not a pro at all, it's a con, it'll make development for it harder. Who the f wants that?


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 5:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
It wont be able to match the sheer bandwidth of the PS4. Memory bandwidth is why video cards have thier own memory and cant use system memory. It's just too slow, yet here the the XBO using std dram for it...

MS is expecting it to be slower , thus why they are trying to up their specs to look better. It wont be that far off though, not a huge difference. I would worry more about MS's BS policies and potential failures than the speed of the GPU.


By inighthawki on 8/3/2013 3:07:36 PM , Rating: 2
You are also forgetting that video memory is used differently. GPUs tend to render texture data which can be sampled linearly in memory maximizing spacial coherency, thus high bandwidth memory is more effective because you are basically just streaming data.

System memory is far more random access, and while cache coherency plays a large role for faster access, it's not uncommon to read one integer from a chunk of memory then have the next access be megabytes away in addressable space. Here, high bandwidth is not as important as low latency access.

You also must have missed the article about how the ESRAM in retail devices is expected to have a higher throughput, greater than the PS4's bandwidth using GDDR5:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-x...


By MindParadox on 8/2/2013 5:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
SRAM performance is strictly theoretical at this point.


the Cell CPU they used in the PS# was purely theoretical too, yet even before the PS3 was released all the fanboys were talking up how it was going to take over the world, make all our cars faster, give every guy a blowjob and every woman the perfect man, and beat the pants off the xbox 360 in sales.

If I recall, they were wrong.
You could be too, but you could also be right.
Personally, I like to try waiting for the consoles to come out, and check out the games on them, instead of trying to play "Who is the Oracle At Delphi?" and attempt to predict the future. :)

Cause, you know, the WII was NEVER gonna sell, right?


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By StevoLincolnite on 8/2/2013 9:06:48 PM , Rating: 1
The Xbox 360 was rushed to market after the original Xbox ceased production early.
This time around, Microsoft has had years to get a good reliable design, the Xbox 360 only had months.

Besides it's not like Sony is any better!
Exploding battery's?
Removing backwards compatibility and Linux from the PS3? Having it's entire network hacked (And had peoples credit card information out in the open!)
Don't forget how many PS1 and PS2 consoles failed due to disc drives or the YLOD on the PS3.

In the minds of gamers it seems the RROD is the biggest screw-up in history and they will happily trust other companies with worse track records, go figure.

To me Nintendo is really the only one who has a good reliable track record.
But even then, Nintendo is still a company, no company should ever be trusted IMHO.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 10:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
No console ever failed in such high #s not even close. Go ahead, look it up. The fact that it was rushed is no excuse... Its even worse, knowing they would rush things like this without thoroughly testing is a huge negative, not a positive. Thanks for helping to make my point though.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By StevoLincolnite on 8/3/2013 4:34:53 AM , Rating: 2
You're missing the point completely.
It's one issue that eventually got fixed.

Sony has had multiple issues with it's hardware in the past, removed features from it's devices, leaked peoples financial information...
But that seems to be "fine" with allot of people.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/3/2013 10:00:54 AM , Rating: 2
How am I missing the point. My only point is that they have a history of quality issues. I know they repaired the broken ones and I know they fixed it on later versions, I even own an XB360-slim and its never had a problem. I was just pointing that I don't automatically trust them on hardware quality because they say they designed it better. Of course they "SAY" that, to say anything else would be product suicide. I will believe it when a few years go by without epidemic failure rates.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By SPOOFE on 8/3/2013 2:28:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My only point is that they have a history of quality issues.

A sample size of one does not indicate a trend.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/3/2013 3:31:54 PM , Rating: 2
One?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_p...

" However, many of the issues can be identified by a series of glowing red lights flashing on the face of the console; the three flashing red lights (nicknamed the " Red Ring of Death " or the "RRoD")[1] being the most infamous. There are also other issues that arise with the console, such as discs becoming scratched in the drive and "bricking" of consoles due to dashboard updates. Since its release on November 22, 2005, many articles have appeared in the media portraying the Xbox 360's failure rates,[2][3][4] with the latest estimate by warranty provider SquareTrade to be 23.7% nearly three years ago,[5] and currently the highest estimate being 54.2% by a Game Informer survey"


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By SPOOFE on 8/4/2013 4:38:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, the Xbox 360 is one product. To establish a trend across a range of products, you need a larger sample size.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/4/2013 6:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldnt way you need a range. You may have one product category that is great and another that you arent so good at. Take Dell for instance. Absolutely cheap ass awful faulire rates on thier consumer PC products, both desktops and laptops. But their server/enterprise products are really stable and high quality. MS has a history of extremely high (in fact record setting)failure rates with the console product category... You wanna buy one of the first batches of XBO, you go right ahead.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By SPOOFE on 8/5/2013 6:07:50 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
MS has a history of extremely high (in fact record setting)failure rates with the console product category...

Incorrect. MS has a history of extremely high failure rates with one product, and even then it's limited to early-run samples of that product. This one example is not enough to establish a trend.

quote:
You wanna buy one of the first batches of XBO, you go right ahead.

The fact that you felt the need to specify "one of the first batches" simply supports my point.


By InsGadget on 8/3/2013 4:03:30 AM , Rating: 2
All good points. The main reason Nintendo's hardware is so reliable is that it's so underpowered. I work on underpowered hardware for my job, where the CPU fan will completely fail for years, and just the heatsink is enough to keep the machine running, even in a hot room. I imagine the Wii and Wii U are quite similar.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By edge929 on 8/2/2013 2:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
The wired.com teardown shows a pretty massive fan over the CPU/GPU heatsink. Nearly as big as the blu-ray drive. I think it will be more than sufficient this time around.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one-de...


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 3:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it would... Sad but funny.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/13, Rating: 0
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/2/2013 3:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
That article you posted, was from 2011.................


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 3:41:37 PM , Rating: 3
Are you really that personally offended at the RROD failures that you need to deflect the thread onto Sony?

Dood, get a grip. Its a company with a history of quality issues on the consoled... Not a personal insult on you.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 3:56:47 PM , Rating: 1
XBOX 1 did not have a bad failure rate.

XBOX 360 did Microsoft owned up and extended everyone warranty and addressed the issue. I also recall Apple, HP, and Nvidia having a similar issue and denying it. Apple turned up the fan speed in bios update to try and cover up its mistakes.

XBOX One designed to last 10 year on because Microsoft doesnt want to repeat the same mistake they admit to making with the 360 and one A-Hole (Retrospooty) shooting off jokes similar to a BSOD which nobody has seen in maybe 10 years.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 4:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
"Are you really that personally offended at the RROD failures that you need to deflect the thread onto Sony?"

So... Yes then.

"XBOX One designed to last 10 year on because Microsoft doesnt want to repeat the same mistake they admit to making with the 360 "

I will believe it after 2-3 years with no high failure rates.

Stop getting all butt hurt. this is the internet and it's a company, not your mother were talking about. Freekin' whiner.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 6:17:59 PM , Rating: 2
You drew first blood with your opening comments. If it gets served back take it like a man.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 6:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
Are you even having the same conversation? I mentioned MS's failure rates. I was talking about a real problem on a real product. YOU, instead of commenting on that real problem on a real product get personally offended because you love MS as a company for some reason and try to deflect to talk about Sony's problems, as if it's at all relevant. It's like talking to a child here.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 9:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
You made a comment about a product that had not been released yet comparing it to the 360. Your pretty ignorant to your own comments.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 10:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
Ugh... I Give up. Its pointless talking to someone like you. Enjoy your fanboyhood.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By SPOOFE on 8/5/2013 6:17:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Enjoy your fanboyhood.

Physician, heal thyself.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 3:58:56 PM , Rating: 1
Your only motive for posting such BS is to try and convince people to buy a PS4. Touche.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 4:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
I don't give a rats ass about Sony, MS or any company for that matter. Try it. Its called NOT being a fanboy.

I enjoy the tech and I call a terd a terd (unless its a turd). If that offends you when talking about known failure rates for your favorite company that is your issue, not mine. Get a grip and stop creaming over a company FFS.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By Mint on 8/2/2013 5:26:41 PM , Rating: 2
You rather explicitly stated above that you DO give a rats ass and treat MS products differently.


By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 6:26:24 PM , Rating: 2
??? I dont think so. I dont care about ANY company or it's BS. I care about tech and products. Any post I make is made from that angle, as opposed to people Like Mitch, or Tony Swash, who care about the company itself and defend it to the end. IF MS winds up with the best products, I will buy it. If its Sony or Google or Apple, I will buy it. I will buy the best products that suit my needs. I use Win7 and love it. Not impressed with Win8 at all. IF you think that makes me an MS hater you are mistaken. I work with Servers all day long, mostly MS from 2003 to 2012 and am very impressed with MS's whole package. Win8 and XBO? Not at all. See the difference? I like some and hate some products, but NONE of it is pro or con for the company. Each product sinks or swims on its own.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By twobitcoder on 8/2/2013 4:16:58 PM , Rating: 1
I own two 360's purchased in 2007 and 2010, and they work fine. "Some people" is probably about 1% of owners or fewer.


RE: Hopefully they cool it right.
By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 6:29:27 PM , Rating: 4
You wish Mitch. Try a quick Google first before posting rediculous #'s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_p...

" However, many of the issues can be identified by a series of glowing red lights flashing on the face of the console; the three flashing red lights (nicknamed the " Red Ring of Death " or the "RRoD")[1] being the most infamous. There are also other issues that arise with the console, such as discs becoming scratched in the drive and "bricking" of consoles due to dashboard updates. Since its release on November 22, 2005, many articles have appeared in the media portraying the Xbox 360's failure rates,[2][3][4] with the latest estimate by warranty provider SquareTrade to be 23.7% nearly three years ago,[5] and currently the highest estimate being 54.2% by a Game Informer survey"


By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 9:42:56 PM , Rating: 2
Try again brain dead I only have one account.


By flyingpants1 on 8/3/2013 11:20:02 AM , Rating: 2
You are probably one of those people who buys the consoles and never plays them for years at a time. Almost every launch Xbox 360 console is defective, it's just a matter of time before they go.


By JKflipflop98 on 8/2/2013 9:38:10 PM , Rating: 2
I went through 5 360's due to the RROD issue. Combine that with their ultra-greedy online "services" and there's no way in hell I'll be purchasing another Microsoft console.

It's a shame, the first Xbox was so awesome.


Yay?
By Motoman on 8/2/2013 12:59:07 PM , Rating: 2
53/800 = 6.6%

So...less than a 7% boost in performance. If a game is struggling along at 30FPS, that almost gets you to 32FPS.

I guess that matters. Still...not sure it was exactly news-worthy. And it certainly doesn't help matters when comparing against the PS4.




RE: Yay?
By Flunk on 8/2/2013 2:23:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sony hasn't even officially announced the frequency of the PS4's GPU units. It could be 854Mhz, who knows.


RE: Yay?
By bug77 on 8/2/2013 5:03:08 PM , Rating: 2
That;s what I was thinking, too. Up to 5% is just a margin of error. 7% is above that, into the measurable territory, but will never be felt. Ever.


By retrospooty on 8/2/2013 4:51:41 PM , Rating: 2
OK Mitch. Considering you just created this id to gripe about your incorrectly perceived bias, then don't let the door hit ya.


By Mitch101 on 8/2/2013 6:33:27 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry numnuts I only have one account more than happy to let DT confirm that if you like.


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/2/2013 7:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
You have posted 3 articles since you created this account, and all on this thread and you aren't coming back? Good riddance.


Not convinced
By techxx on 8/2/2013 2:49:06 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not convinced that the One will be that far behind the PS4 in terms of end-user experience as far as graphics go. What's more important are the tools provided to take advantage of the hardware, and I like to believe MS has a big advantage over the PS4 in that area.

The fact that both systems will be exponentially more powerful than current systems will mean phenomenal games and graphics. The One also has a big advantage with the Kinect.




RE: Not convinced
By Krioni on 8/2/2013 5:29:00 PM , Rating: 3
I have to agree that MS is likely to have better dev tools (I use their .NET dev tools daily and they are certainly head and shoulders above most of the competition). I assume MS will be/is leveraging their experience on the .NET front to create better tools for XBone.

With that said, i'm still buying a PS4 because I happen to like the Sony products better. I've had XBox (original), PS3, now pre-ordered for PS4.

I disagree completely that the Kinect is a "big advantage"... I just don't see it for core gaming. Perhaps it will provide them an advantage for casual/kiddie/family games though.

In the end, people will continue to buy what they're familiar with... most of the XBOX 360 fans will buy the XBone and most of the PS3 fans will buy PS4. There will be a marginal number of people who jump ship in either direction.

In the eyes of moms and dads, the $100 price difference will likely help the PS4 get some extra sales for Christmas.


STFU FANBOIS
By phatboye on 8/2/2013 5:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
OK we get it Both MS and Sony did some crappy stuff in the past. Both companies suck equally. Since neither company has released their next-generation offerings yet let please stop speculating on which console will be better. Go outside and get a life and please STFU!




RE: STFU FANBOIS
By spread on 8/2/2013 8:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
Not quite. Microsoft sucks so much more compared to Sony, they were the first company to sign up with the NSA. They love sucking that NSA cock.


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