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E-tailer slashes up to a third off poorly selling ultrabook models

As Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) is looking to bolster the reputation of Windows 8 and its recently-released successor Windows 8.1, Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) today is offering a one day deal on a small assortment of Windows 8.1 devices at fire sale prices.
 
The deals include three devices certified as Ultrabooks by Intel Corp. (INTC) -- the Dell XPS 12 12.4-inch convertible 2-in-1 Touchscreen tablet/laptop ($680 USD, 32 percent off, normally $1000 USD), the Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) ATIV Book 5 14-inch laptop (Core i5 edition) ($600 USD, 33 percent off, normally $900 USD), and the ATIV Book 5 14-inch laptop (Core i3 edition) ($500, 29 percent off, normally $700 USD).
 
Intel's ultrabook form factor has struggled in sales, falling short of the chipmakers bold growth predictions for the ultralight, ultrathin form factor devices.  The ultrabooks struggles have paralleled and somewhat overlapped those of partner Microsoft's Windows 8/8.1.

Samsung Ativ Book 5
Samsung Ativ Book 5 (w/ Touchscreen, Windows 8.1

Key reasons for weak ultrabook sales have been overly high prices, underwhelming graphics (partially due to Intel's sluggishness in pushing Iris Pro product to market), and less than spectacular battery life.  Intel has vowed to get more aggressive on pricing and we may be seeing a peek at that.
 
In addition to the Ultrabooks there's also the Lenovo Group, Ltd.'s (HKG:0992) IdeaPad S210 11.6-inch touchscreen laptop ($300 USD, 29 percent off, usually $420 USD) and ASUSTek Computer Inc. (TPE:2357) 1015E-DS01 10.1-Inch laptop with no touchscreen ($240 USD, 20 percent off, normally $300 USD).
Lenovo Ideapad S210
Lenovo Ideapad S210 11.6-inch. (w/ Touchscreen, Windows 8.1)

To be clear, it's not been uncommon in the past decade to see laptops sell with small discounts around the holiday season from top retailers.  OEMs tend to bake a little "wiggle room" into their price points by overcharging on things like RAM and storage upgrades.  But such price cuts are typically modest -- 15 to 20 percent at most on the high end and 10 percent or less on the low end.  To see these kinds of massive price cuts, speaks to the historic decline in PC sales.

Indeed, ASUS in its recent quarterly report expressed that it no longer had confidence on Windows driving its laptop sales, and it would become the latest to produce a "Chromebook", which carries a free Linux-based Google Inc. (GOOG) operating system.

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3rd Gen
By RedDotRabbit on 11/25/2013 1:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
All of these linked models have 3rd generation Intel processors (aside from the IdeaPad).

So Amazon is selling off soon to be obsolete stock on sale.

A retailer selling 'last season items' on sale? This is not news I'm afraid Daily Tech.




RE: 3rd Gen
By troysavary on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: 3rd Gen
By kyuuketsuki on 11/25/2013 4:43:12 PM , Rating: 1
Hah, that's pretty funny. Not sure if Mick just wasn't paying attention to the fact that these firesale items are Ivy Bridge models or if he was being deliberately misleading, but it's definitely not news that Ivy Bridge hardware isn't selling well when Haswell hardware is abundant.


RE: 3rd Gen
By rwei on 11/26/2013 5:38:24 PM , Rating: 3
>being deliberately misleading

Jason Mick? But why...? You mean he might write silly sensationalist headlines to attract page views?

HE WOULDN'T!!!!

I have given serious thought to whether I could get a Chrome plugin to filter Mick articles. No luck so far.


RE: 3rd Gen
By synapse46 on 11/26/2013 9:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
Also, I wouldn't consider these "fire sales", le tme know when they hit $199.


RE: 3rd Gen
By troysavary on 11/26/2013 12:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
I see the "Ms is evil" crowd used their second or third accounts to vote us down for pointing out Jason's error.


Black Friday Thread
By Reclaimer77 on 11/25/2013 4:21:25 PM , Rating: 2
1 hour left!

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-2-5-Inch-Internal-Rese...

I snagged one of these last night when it was $20 less. But this price is still amazing for what you are getting.

This is probably the best deal they're going to have IMO.

Lets use this thread to shout out deals that others find appealing on Amazon.




RE: Black Friday Thread
By kyuuketsuki on 11/25/2013 4:43:46 PM , Rating: 2
I *knew* Reclaimer was an ad-bot!


RE: Black Friday Thread
By Reclaimer77 on 11/25/2013 4:44:28 PM , Rating: 2
lol nah. Just spreading the love.


Vote early, vote often
By bupkus on 11/25/2013 3:22:28 PM , Rating: 1
If the arguments in this thread just make you shake your head and decide not to even get involved, then VOTE ME UP.^




RE: Vote early, vote often
By Monkey's Uncle on 11/25/2013 3:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
why waste a perfectly good vote on you?


By JoeOnRoute66 on 11/26/2013 9:41:58 AM , Rating: 1
I can't help but wonder how sales have been impacted purely because Windows 8 ships with computers.

Recently I purchased a touch-based Lenovo all-in-one for work just because I could get it quickly.

Then I encountered Windows 8 for the first time.

I will not purchase additional Windows 8-based computers without a radical redesign in the GUI. I have gone through the changes from Windows 3.1 to XP to 7. Microsoft royally botched it.




Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Motoman on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By 8steve8 on 11/25/2013 1:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
Some power users want a thin and light machine that's easy and hassle free to carry. The best computer, even for "power users" is the one they have with them, and anyone is way more likely to have a sub-3-pound laptop with them than a >5lb one that doesn't fit in their normal bag.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By p05esto on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By bitmover461 on 11/25/2013 1:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, I'm running Eclipse, a process server, an application server, an enterprise class relational database, an FTP server, various utilities, a Unix emulator, and using every bit of 8GB RAM. All on a 17" laptop. I thought I was a power user but apparently not.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Motoman on 11/25/2013 1:32:49 PM , Rating: 3
He included you with the 17" laptop...


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Camikazi on 11/25/2013 7:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
"I think 17" is too small on a laptop" he only included it because bigger is hard to find not because he thinks it is useful or makes you a "power user".


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2013 3:17:39 PM , Rating: 3
Utter crap. I have a HP 8470p with 16GB vengeance ram, 2x Samsung 840 Pro SSD drives and a quad core cpu.

Size does not make you a power user.


By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2013 3:18:07 PM , Rating: 2
P.s. Connected to a 24" monitor while in work :)


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By kmmatney on 11/25/2013 3:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
While I generally don't agree with you about the definition of power user - I do have a 17" laptop, connected to a 24" monitor :). I also think they need to come out with some larger monitor sizes for these ultra books. I could live with a 15.6 inch screen, but they don't even have that. I thought the old 17" Macbook was nearly a perfect form factor for a larger laptop, but they even stopped making that.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By ATrigo on 11/25/2013 6:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
The adage applies here.. "Size doesn't matter, it matters how you use it" ;)

A power user is defined by the skills with the tool and the usage scenarios.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Reclaimer77 on 11/25/2013 6:36:55 PM , Rating: 2
I don't even know what the OP is arguing here. Moto doesn't think Ultrabooks make sense, so they don't. I guess?

How do they not make sense? I just don't understand. How is more power in a lighter smaller form factor necessarily a bad thing? And why would 'power users' automatically need a bigger screen than anyone else?

I have too many questions and not enough answers...


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By jvillaro on 11/25/2013 8:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well... you can't cure stupid


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By troysavary on 11/26/2013 7:31:47 AM , Rating: 2
My problem with Ultrabooks is that the graphics prowess of Intel chips still isn't where I want it. Ultrabooks do not have a discreet GPU and I would want one. I can see where they would be more than enough for non-gamers though. The lightness and battery life is appealing. For a thin and light though, I'd opt for the Surface Pro 2 though. It is an Ultrabook and a tablet, and has a Wacom digitizer. Perfect other than the lack of dGPU. But if it had a dGPU battery life would suck. So I'd have to compromise there.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Nutzo on 11/26/2013 10:57:12 AM , Rating: 2
So all my users with laptops that have 15" 1080p screens and 16GB ram and 1TB drives, running multiple VM's including SQL/web servers are not power users? That would be news to them.

Not everyone wants to lug around a laptop with 17" screen.

I guess that since I only have a 23" screen on my desktop at work I'm not a power user either. It's the same 1080p as a 24" screen, but I just that extra 1" of screen really makes a difference.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Motoman on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By kmmatney on 11/25/2013 3:38:43 PM , Rating: 2
It would be nice to have some larger screen options...


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By retrospooty on 11/25/2013 1:28:21 PM , Rating: 3
I look at the new Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro and have nothing but drool. It's a really sweet machine, priced decently too.

Haswell, SSD, 3200x1800 13 inch touchscreen LCD, thin and light, kb fold back onto itself for tablet mode. The only thing I don't like is Win8.1 , but that is another story. LOL.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Mint on 11/25/2013 4:15:56 PM , Rating: 3
Nice, I didn't know they updated it. The lighter weight also makes it much more usable as a tablet than last year's model. Love that they're offering 3200x1800.

I'm probably going to go with the Surface Pro 2, though, because I want the digitizer. I just saw that there's a Thinkpad Yoga released with stylus support, but it's 3.5 lbs.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By retrospooty on 11/25/2013 6:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, a definite huge improvement. The original Yoga wasnt compelling at all. Do yourself a favor before you buy, go looks at one in person. Most best buy's have both on display. Pictures just don't do the Yoga 2 Pro justice, you have to see it in person.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Reclaimer77 on 11/25/2013 6:38:49 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they update the name next. Seriously, Yoga. Yoga?


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By retrospooty on 11/26/2013 7:51:21 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, ya, If I wind up with it it will be affectionately known as "My laptop" and the word will never be spoken again.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By troysavary on 11/26/2013 8:04:34 AM , Rating: 2
I'd turn the "g" into a "d".


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By jbwhite99 on 11/26/2013 12:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yoga name is because it bends every which way. There are 4 ways to use it.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By kleinma on 11/25/2013 1:19:07 PM , Rating: 5
Thanks for speaking for the entire laptop using population with your personal opinion.

I know plenty of people who want a tiny laptop that is also a performance machine, and they hook it up to a docking station, or secondary screen when doing stationary work.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By p05esto on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Solandri on 11/25/2013 2:58:03 PM , Rating: 3
I did Photoshop and Visual Studio on a 12.1" screen (now I'm on a 13.3" screen). I consider myself a power user.

The key is resolution, the screen size doesn't matter as long as it's reasonably big enough for you to read small text. My 12.1" screen was 1400x1050 and 4 lbs. My 13.3" screen is 1600x900 and 2.9 lbs. At the time I bought them, they were equivalent to or had more pixels than standard desktop screens. My next laptop is going to be 1920x1080 and hopefully around 4.5 lbs if I move up to 15.6", less than 3 lbs if I stick with 13.3"

quote:
If you're hooking it up to a dock then that defeats the purpose anyway and not what we're talking about

No, it's the other way around. If you leave a laptop hooked up to a dock 24/7, that defeats the purpose. You'd be better off buying a desktop. The number of people who use a dock the way you're implying is close to zero.

The purpose of a dock is so you can use a bigger screen, external mouse and keyboard when you're at your main work station. But you can still unplug the laptop and take all your programs and data with you when you need to do work on the road. If someone has a dock for their ultralight, they're virtually guaranteed to be a power user who does real work on an ultralight. The type of person you claim doesn't exist, which is why OP mentioned he knew people who did exactly this.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Jeffk464 on 11/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Solandri on 11/25/2013 3:26:35 PM , Rating: 3
Well, if you're ok with spending the extra money to upgrade a desktop and a laptop at once, when you could be upgrading just a laptop, then more power to ya.

The people who get this setup need to be able to take their computer on the road with them. You know, the sentence that I wrote right after that you conveniently snipped from the quote.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By inighthawki on 11/25/2013 4:34:43 PM , Rating: 3
I use visual studio on a 13" ultrabook just fine.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By chripuck on 12/2/2013 12:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, running VS 2013 and three VM's on my 14" Thinkpad. It only has **GASP** a 1600x900 resolution too... oh the humanity.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By amanojaku on 11/25/2013 1:35:36 PM , Rating: 3
I don't think you understand the point of ultrabooks. They are meant to compete with subnotebooks like the MacBook Air. Subnotebooks are not high-end machines, they are thin and light, with performance greater than a netbook.

Intel has noticed the distaste for small screens:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/intel-75-plus-u...

What high-end parts are you talking about, btw? Certainly not the processors; most of them are dual-core i5s running under 2GHz. Installed RAM is generally 2-4GiB (upgradeable, though). Storage is SSD, but they aren't high-performance SSDs. Many are missing optical storage, I/O ports, etc...


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Jeffk464 on 11/25/2013 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
with performance greater than a netbook


Performance and quality, netbooks were a little sketchy on the hardware.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Solandri on 11/25/2013 3:16:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't think you understand the point of ultrabooks. They are meant to compete with subnotebooks like the MacBook Air. Subnotebooks are not high-end machines, they are thin and light, with performance greater than a netbook.

That was true in the past. CPUs have now gotten fast enough that even a low-end processor is sufficient if you aren't doing massive 3D fluid dynamics simulations. The vast majority of new laptop recommendations I give are for i3 systems, simply because the buyer doesn't need the extra heft (or cost or reduced battery life) of an i5 or i7 or quad core. So no they're not "high end" in terms of what you could potentially get. But "high end" on computers has now started to become akin to a Ferarri or Lamborghini in cars - a pointless waste of money if you don't need that extra power (i.e. you're a race car driver, or a rich guy wanting to flaunt it).

Technology has gotten to the point where you can now have your cake, and eat it too. You can have a powerful machine in a subnotebook size. Open up a modern laptop and you'll find the circuitry only takes up about a third of its internal space (the rest is battery, HDD, optical drive, empty space if the laptop isn't wedge-shaped). Open up a modern tablet and you'll find the circuitry only takes up a thin sliver about the size of two sticks of gum. The only remaining constraint on laptop size and weight is now screen size. And with flexible screens coming down the road I don't see even that lasting.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By nafhan on 11/25/2013 2:24:42 PM , Rating: 4
Lug a 10 pound "gamer" notebook through a train station a few days in a row. Your mind will change.

My preference for a work machine is basically an Ultrabook that I connect to a docking station (with a big monitor). The dedicated GPU would be nice, occasionally, but I've got one in my gaming desktop at home.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Motoman on 11/25/2013 2:39:08 PM , Rating: 1
No, it won't...because I carry around a 17" laptop with an extended battery (and it's original battery) in a backpack on a regular basis.

It's utterly irrelevant because there are 0 things I want or need to do on a computer that wouldn't drive me up the wall trying to do them on a 12" screen.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By nyarrgh on 11/25/2013 2:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
I do have a "gaming machine" at home attached to a 32 inch screen. However when I am travelling, I have a laptop with a 12 inch screen. I find it small, but acceptable for most of the work I do. I spend 60 - 70 % of my time on the command line anyway. I do use Visual studio when I work on Windows, but most of the utilities I make are, again command line based. There aren't many network security testing software that is worth anything using a GUI. Those that are, work happily on a 12 inch screen. Someday I hope to be able to be a "Power User", but right now, I carry to much gear to even consider carrying a heavy laptop.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By nafhan on 11/26/2013 12:56:57 PM , Rating: 2
Do you have poor vision? I can do everything on a 12" screen that I could do on a 17" screen. I guess I just don't like carrying around piles of unnecessary stuff with me.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Motoman on 11/26/2013 1:26:17 PM , Rating: 2
Uh-huh. So you have a 12" monitor on your desktop too? Since you have such good vision?

Don't be a retard. A 17" screen is infinitely better for any kind of real work (or gaming) than a 12" screen. And what "piles of unneccesary stuff" are you carrying around? The only thing that's different is the size of the laptop. BFD.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By nafhan on 11/27/2013 2:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A 17" screen is infinitely better for any kind of real work (or gaming) than a 12" screen
If "running up the wall" is your reaction to not getting a 17" laptop for work and gaming, then of course you are "infinitely more productive" on a 17" screen. Most people don't work in the type of environment where that's an acceptable behavior, though.

Also, I'm not carrying around piles of unnecessary stuff, but if I did, I'd probably get a backpack.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Jeffk464 on 11/25/2013 3:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, personally I would prefer to have a high end desktop for home and then a lightweight ultrabook for away. The only necessity is that the two be synced.

My only desire for an ultrabook is:
dual core haswell
4 gigs ram
SSD


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By kmmatney on 11/25/2013 3:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a 1K traveler on United, and carry around a 7 lb laptop. It is a pain to work with on a plane, but I can make up for that with productivity at the gate or in my hotel room. I have an iPad as well, so overall I'm carrying around 10 pounds. The key is getting a computer bag with wheels.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By nafhan on 11/26/2013 1:01:45 PM , Rating: 2
If it's really crowded, rolling luggage can be kind of annoying. So, I find a shoulder bag preferable for commuting. Good rolling luggage is great for air travel, though!


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Monkey's Uncle on 11/25/2013 2:31:15 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be caught dead owning one. I have far more respect for the money I earn than that.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Solandri on 11/25/2013 3:21:15 PM , Rating: 4
I wouldn't be caught dead without one. I have far more respect for my shoulder than that. The price premium over a regular (heavier) laptop is about an extra day's work for me. Well worth it for years of less shoulder strain since I'm frequently out in the field.

Different people have different priorities. Go figure.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Monkey's Uncle on 11/25/2013 3:25:23 PM , Rating: 2
Different priorities indeed. Ultrabooks just don't fit my priorities.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By kmmatney on 11/25/2013 3:52:05 PM , Rating: 2
As a frequent traveler use a computer bag with wheels. The ultrabook spec is about 3 pounds - it seems like they should be able to make a 17" laptop at around 4 pounds. My Dell 17R Special Edition (which performs really well) weighs in at 7.4 pounds - it shouldn't be too hard to top that.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Jeffk464 on 11/25/2013 3:02:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only power users need the high-end parts...or maybe gamers. And those people also need big screens.


What he said. The main reason I would want an ultrabook is for extreme portability. From the stastics I've heard the overwhelming number of laptop buyers bring it home, set it on a desk, and then never move it.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Guspaz on 11/25/2013 6:21:02 PM , Rating: 2
In my opinion, ultrabooks are the only thing that makes sense unless you need a screen bigger than 13" or you intend to use your laptop as a desktop replacement, and there's no reason you couldn't make a 17" ultrabook.

The performance of low-power CPUs has gotten to the point where the vast majority of things people do with a computer work very well. I know a lot of my friends insist on lugging around enormous laptops that weigh three times more than mine, but they don't do anything with them that actually requires the monstrous bulk.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By Jaybus on 11/26/2013 12:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have users here who have tried everything. 15" Asus ultrabooks, 15" MB pro, 13" MB Air, iPad, Nexus, and even forgoing a laptop and using only smartphones. Smartphone, iPad, and Nexus lasted exactly one trip each. Didn't have the needed functionality or a keyboard. Ultrabooks (which includes MB Pro and Air) worked well while they lasted.

Some of my guys and gals who travel little, but work both from home and in the office swear by the ultrabooks. None still use tablets for work. The ones who truly travel extensively have suffered enough device failures and incompatibilities that they have moved to lugging around Panasonic Toughbooks. They're heavy. They're slower. They aren't stylish. But reliability and physical toughness turned out to be a much more critical spec for them than weight, performance, battery life, or style.

I think there is definitely a business use case for ultrabooks, as they make decent workstations using external monitor/mouse/keyboard and line power, yet can also handle light travel/mobile. As a consumer device, though, ultrabooks are simply still too expensive.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By CaedenV on 11/25/13, Rating: 0
RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By troysavary on 11/26/2013 7:36:40 AM , Rating: 2
Good luck carrying that docking station around with you. The laptop is never going away. People need something that they can do actual work on that is also portable. Your phone centric vision fails there.


RE: Ultrabooks make no sense.
By retrospooty on 11/26/2013 7:48:39 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... People love their mobile devices, I do to. But as much as they use their phone and tablet when mobile, it didn't replace their laptop/PC. When they get back to the office they get their real work done on a real PC. Phones/tablets are being used in addition to PC's not as a replacement to them.


Yawn
By BSMonitor on 11/25/13, Rating: -1
RE: Yawn
By retrospooty on 11/25/2013 2:59:33 PM , Rating: 2
You ate lead paint chips as a child didn't you?


RE: Yawn
By Monkey's Uncle on 11/25/2013 4:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
That's what his mother told me.


RE: Yawn
By Motoman on 11/25/2013 4:20:57 PM , Rating: 2
I thought I told her not to talk with her mouth full...


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