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Samsung's Galaxy S5 gets a refresh

We’ve been hearing rumors for a while that Samsung was going to refresh its Galaxy S5 smartphone with a faster processor and high-resolution display. Today, Samsung officially unveiled the refreshed smartphone packing the exact specs that we told you about earlier this week (save for one detail).
 
The Galaxy S5 LTE-A, like the LG G3, features a 2560x1440 QHD display. However, due to its slightly smaller screen size (5.1” versus 5.5”), the Galaxy S5 LTE-A is slightly sharper at 577 PPI (versus 538 PPI for the LG G3). A Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 processor (with 3GB RAM) is also onboard along with an LTE-A modem capable of speeds of up to 225 Mbps. All other specs remain the same.


[Image Source: Samsung Tomorrow]
 
The one detail that didn’t come to fruition was the metallic back housing; the Galaxy S5 LTE-A looks externally identical to its lesser-spec’d sibling. Perhaps the metal-bodied Galaxy F is still in the pipeline.
 
As for availability, it looks as though the Galaxy S5 LTE-A is a South Korean-only product for now. The company has yet to announce plans for a global launch.

Source: Samsung Tomorrow



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Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 9:14:41 AM , Rating: 4
Enjoy a more expensive device that drains more battery! Seriously, this trend needs to stop. Looking at you too, G3.

Of course, the spec chasers will be all over this since smartphone competition is no longer about making a good phone anymore, but a "high-spec" one.

Sad.




RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 9:28:09 AM , Rating: 3
"Enjoy a more expensive device that drains more battery! Seriously, this trend needs to stop. Looking at you too, G3"

If you are looking, you need to look closer.

http://phandroid.com/2014/06/09/lg-g3-battery-life...


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By valkator on 6/18/2014 9:34:12 AM , Rating: 2
Someone got burned.


By techxx on 6/18/2014 9:36:05 AM , Rating: 2
Spec chaser detected!


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 9:35:27 AM , Rating: 3
If the screen was 1080p, imagine how much even BETTER it would be? Or they could have used a smaller battery reducing costs there as well.

I don't like the idea of knowingly wasting battery resources for extra pixels that provide no benefit regardless to how good the battery life already is. Not only that, but the phone will run hotter (which underclocks CPU) and makes the overall phone considerably more expensive.

Consumers enjoy blindly following specs though where if the number is bigger, it must be better. This obviously won't be the first time the masses were exploited due to their ignorance.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 9:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
Considering how much better the g3 is over the g2 and the slight improvements that went in, the effect of the higher res is very minimal.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 9:45:46 AM , Rating: 2
The G3 would have actually made it to my shortlist had they kept a 5.2" 1080p screen. I have a G2 right now which is already slightly too big. I know myself and many others who will not get a G3 specifically for this reason.

I'm hoping LG releases a G3 mini with same specs, but 1080p and 5". Might be a perfect phone.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 9:52:03 AM , Rating: 2
You seriously think they're going to release a G3 "Mini" to shave half and inch off the diagonal of the display?

Ooookay.


By techxx on 6/18/2014 10:30:01 AM , Rating: 2
Considering they shaved half inch off the G2 for the G2 mini... yes? I wouldn't be surprised if they release a mini with a 4.7-5" display. LG knows the G3 will be too large for many.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Monkey's Uncle on 6/18/2014 10:32:08 AM , Rating: 2
Don't see why a G3 mini is not a possibility. Granted it will not have the same specs because 'mini' means more than just smaller screen size.

I can see LG pushing out lower-spec versions of the G3 for those wanting the latest products, but not willing to accept the price/size of the absolute top end phone.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 1:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
Of course it's possible. My point was look at every "mini" phone named after a flagship ever made. Notice something? They go WAY smaller than just half an inch, that's my point.

To make an entirely new chassis just to take a half inch off the screen size is what I'm calling FUD on. That would be stupid!

Galaxy S5 Mini 4.7" (rumored) screen
Galaxy S4 Mini 4.3" screen
HTC One Mini 4.3" screen
LG G3 Mini 5" screen???

UHHH hmmm, something looks wrong on this list. A 5" phone is not "mini".


By Monkey's Uncle on 7/2/2014 4:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
True. I would have to agree with that for sure. There is nothing 'mini' about a 5" screen.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 10:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
Why? You are making fun of "spec chasers" like using more advanced tech is a bad thing, yet you want a G3 mini with the same specs as a G3, but only 1080p ? What "spec" are you looking to gain over your G2?


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 10:48:06 AM , Rating: 3
Advanced technology is supposed to enhance our lives by optimizing or improving an experience. Ultra-high resolutions on a 5" device does not enhance anything, but does come with pitfalls you can enjoy:
- Cost more to produce
- Taxes battery a lot more
- Makes device run hotter, hence slower

Advantages:
- Makes e-penises happy though
- Makes LG happy because people are dumb


By Mint on 6/18/2014 11:08:47 AM , Rating: 2
Note how you have nothing quantitative in your assertions? That how you know that you're full of it.

"more" could be 2%, in which case, who cares? Samsung didn't use a separate RGB stripe per pixel in its 1080p display, so images heavy in red or blue would only display 1MP on a S5 as opposed to the 2MP of 1080p. You could actually use less power if you ran a game at 720p (i.e. 1 computed pixel covers 4 display pixels) than at native res on a 1080p phone.

The best thing about QHD is everything scales well. Sharp video or pictures or games at 720p or other arbitrary resolutions show scaling artifacts on a 1080p screen. They'll be lessened significantly at QHD with the pixels so tiny.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 11:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
"Advanced technology is supposed to enhance our lives by optimizing or improving an experience. Ultra-high resolutions on a 5" device does not enhance anything"

Can you see the difference from 720 to 1080 on a 5 inch phone? Some can some cant. I can, very clearly and will reserve judgement on this until I see it. Like I said I am buying to for it's other features, not its screen res. But the res dosn't hurt.

- Cost more to produce
Where do you see this will be more expensive than previous flagships?

- Taxes battery a lot more
Again, we have already proven that to be false.

- Makes device run hotter, hence slower
Again, where do you see that?


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 12:34:27 PM , Rating: 3
People are turning brightness down specifically for overheating issue: http://www.reddit.com/r/LGG3/comments/28gcfb/lets_...

720p to 1080p is pretty hard to tell on a 5" unless you're looking for it. Irrelevant though, this is about 1080p to 1440p which is no difference.

There's no denying that a 1440p display is going to cost more to produce than a 1080p without tradeoffs. Common sense... previous flag ship prices are irrelevant. If they spent more on the display, they spent less somewhere else.

You're telling me a 1440p display draws the same as a 1080p? Trolling I hope? Only reason the G3 gets good battery is because it's huge and they had to employ variable refresh rates for different scenarios.

I wanted to love the G3 and it's not like I'm making crap up to bash it.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 1:20:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
720p to 1080p is pretty hard to tell on a 5"


I love it when people with clearly bad eyesight come here and say crap like this.

I guess if YOU can't tell the difference, no wonder you think UHD is worthless. Your vision SUCKS.

But stop speaking for everyone. Nobody is going to stop making UHD displays because you bit*ch about not seeing the difference. Just pick a handset you like and STFU, please!!!

WE ARE SO TIRED OF THIS!

There's TONS of 1080p phones out there. What the F is your problem? Get one of those and be happy!

quote:
I wanted to love the G3


But you won't buy it because of the display resolution? Did you JUST call others "spec chasers"? So who's the spec chaser now? That's an absurd reason to NOT buy something!

You're a half-blind, technically ignorant LOSER. Get off of this TECH website if this is the kind of crap you think we need to listen to.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 2:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
"You're a half-blind, technically ignorant LOSER. Get off of this TECH website if this is the kind of crap you think we need to listen to."

A little blue bird's on my shou-ou-ou-lder!

Damn, dude that is harsh. LOL


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Mint on 6/18/2014 1:25:45 PM , Rating: 2
Well, Samsung's display is AMOLED. It's not a transmissive display like LCD, so higher resolution doesn't block more light. Power consumption is proportional to total area being lit, regardless of pixel size.

If you want to save money, then buy a lower end device. Samsung has plenty of 1080p phones. They have to compete with others and make a good impression on reviewers comparing their device side-by-side with other QHD phones.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 1:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
You guys just don't get it. I stop trying. :P


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 2:08:54 PM , Rating: 2
Well, one of us doesn't get it for sure.

FWIW, I do agree with you. If you cannot see much difference from 720 to 1080, you shouldn't get a 1440 phone. Your eyes wont be able to tell. So.... Don't get one. But dont assume the same for everyone's eyes.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 10:03:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the screen was 1080p, imagine how much even BETTER it would be?


Minutes, not hours and hours. MINUTES.


By techxx on 6/18/2014 10:50:53 AM , Rating: 2
Hundreds of minutes - especially if they applied the same fancy techniques they used to optimize the G3.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 9:44:53 AM , Rating: 1
Siigh Retro, getting deja vu yet? Here we go again lol. It just never fails. Whenever something improves on a smartphone, some Luddite comes in freaking out over it.

*tapes up fists*

The simple fact is the power consumption going from 1080 to QHD is minimal at best.

To the OP, just don't buy it. How about that?


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By hughlle on 6/18/2014 10:45:45 AM , Rating: 2
I would hardly consider it an improvement. To me an improvement is something that is actually noticable, something that actually benefits the end user. This level of ppi is absolutely worthless on screens so small.


By bug77 on 6/18/2014 10:50:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah well, he called it an improvement before he actually saw the screen, so there's no point in arguing.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Mint on 6/18/2014 11:18:20 AM , Rating: 2
Did you see an improvement from 720p to 1080p? Most people did.

For images heavy in red and blue, the original S5 has roughly the same resolution as 720p, and thus will have the same sharpness jump. The S5 and Note 3 have only two subpixels per pixel (as does this new display), as opposed to the three in all 1080p LCD displays.

Yeah, Samsung could have done RGB 1080p, but this is slightly better for image quality and much better for marketing.

What's more is that this means we now get AMOLED blacks without any visible compromise in resolution vs LCD. The ultimate display, as far as I'm concerned.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By bug77 on 6/18/2014 11:24:30 AM , Rating: 2
You should check the link I posted below. We're not getting AMOLED blacks, we're getting worse contrast than the LG G2.
(And how on earth is more ppi supposed to equal better blacks?)


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 11:53:02 AM , Rating: 2
You cant go by one review and call it fact... Endaget didnt seem to think so, neither have any of the other half dozen or so I read.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/05/lg-g3-review/

"So, how does it look? The short answer is: pretty great. The long answer, though, is more nuanced. High-resolution videos and images look pin-sharp and beautifully recreated -- especially, and unsurprisingly, the pre-loaded (and optimized) content included in the Gallery app. Colors look vivid but not oversaturated; blacks are dark"


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 1:12:42 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry but GSMARENA is not Anandtech or DisplayMate.

If you think that was an in-depth review of the display in this phone, I recommend you go www.displaymate.com to see what REAL review looks like.

Until Displaymate gets their hands on this, everything you've said and posted is speculation, unfounded FUD.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Mint on 6/18/2014 1:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
You linked to a G3 review, not a review of the new S5. The G3 isn't AMOLED. It's LCD. I agree that contrast is more important than resolution.

The upgraded S5 display will be AMOLED.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 2:04:49 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly... LCD will never have AMOLED's black levels. It's just impossible. If that is what you are looking for you will need to get a phone with an AMOLED screen period... Some people prefer each, there is no "correct" answer to AMOLED vs. LCD. Both have their merits and weaknesses.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 7:43:51 PM , Rating: 2
It never ceases to amaze me... But at least this guy is cicil about it. Some people get really pissed off LOL.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By fleshconsumed on 6/18/2014 9:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
No, this trend needs to continue because it means everybody else who isn't in the market for top of the line will be able to buy a budget phone with 720p screen and mid range with 1080p screen. I'm all for it.

My LG F6 with 540p screen is great at $100 off contract, but a 720p screen would have been even better :)


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 10:30:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, another very good point. This will drive lower res to the affordable mainstream position.

I currently have a G2 and being elligible for an upgrade in July, am getting the G3 for the other aspects, not the screen res. It's slightly larger screen but still not huge chassis (which I wanted), it has great screen to bezel ratio, improved UI, faster yet more efficient SOC, and even better battery life, micro SD and removable battery... What's not to want?

I DO see a HUGE improvement from 720 to 1080 on a 5 inch phone, but I don't personally think I care about 1440p res on a 5.5 inch phone, 1080p would be fine for my eyes but I am happy to take it with all the other stuff.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By bug77 on 6/18/2014 10:45:33 AM , Rating: 2
You may want to consider this:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3-review-1086p3.php

It sacrifices contrast which is, by far, the most important spec (technically resolution is, but above 300ppi we're firmly into diminishing returns territory) and battery life is only ok overall because of its score in calls, which is when the screen is off. Arstechnica concurs.

I'm still waiting for a Find 7 vs Find 7a comparison, that will tell us how much is the influence of the resolution on battery life. Until then, LG has already sacrificed some IQ to get to QHD.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 11:49:12 AM , Rating: 2
I have seen several reviews and that is the only one that mentioned any such thing with contrast.

Anyhow, never go by one review... Look at many. And when actually going to evaluate a screen to buy, go to a wireless store and put your own eyes on it.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By Solandri on 6/18/2014 1:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
Actually this is something I've noticed with LG IPS screens, even their laptop screens. You get increasing white bleed the further off-axis you go. That's one of the big annoyances I have with my Nexus 5 - when it's sitting flat on the table next to my bed, the black areas of the screen are almost as bright as if they were displaying white. I have to manually turn it off before putting it down, instead of letting it turn off on its own. Otherwise it's too bright and distracts me from going to sleep.

I suspect the reviews which measured good contrast used a colorimeter with a dark matte interior surface. This killed the reflections from this off-axis light and maintained the dark blacks. GSM Arena probably used a colorimeter which reflected this off-axis light or measured light across a wider angle, and thus lit up the blacks and killed the contrast ratio.

It really makes you appreciate the blacks on AMOLED.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 1:35:28 PM , Rating: 2
If I didn't know better I would say that sounds like exactly what I've noticed from edge-lit LCD TV's. Yech!

Are smartphone LCD's edge-lit or full LED back light? I'm curious now.

Frankly I don't understand why smartphones still have LCD's in them when SAMOLED+ is so obviously superior for that application.

I can't for LCD's to go away entirely, bring on the OLED!


By bug77 on 6/19/2014 8:51:24 AM , Rating: 2
It's called IPS glow and it's the other downside of IPS technology.
And I don't think the colorimeter matters (there's a picture showing the lower contrast, no colorimeter involved), it's just that no one has tested the phone side by side with its predecessor.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By bug77 on 6/19/2014 4:42:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have seen several reviews and that is the only one that mentioned any such thing with contrast.


How many of those reviews were actually looking at the G2 for comparison? To me that picture is quite telling. And yes, I am looking for additional opinions, but until then it is what it is.

Also, now that several reviews confirm QHD does nothing for 5" screens (except excessive battery drain, see arstechnica's mention of brightness throttling), are you willing to admit I was right?


By retrospooty on 6/19/2014 6:19:53 PM , Rating: 2
I am sorry, what? The only extensive battery test I have seen on the g3 is the one linked above where the g3 is better than the g2 and any other phone tested. also that is the only review of many I have seen that mentioned any kind of an issue with the screen.several reviews I have read all had glowing things to say about the screen. some like the res some don't see it, but all loved the screen in general.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By anactoraaron on 6/18/2014 12:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
Well I would take this single battery life chart with a grain of salt. I doubt all phones tested are at the same brightness (like AT uses 200 nits). For all we know the normalized brightness will show even better battery life.

Still there's no evidence that I've seen that says these higher res displays use more power, even though there are plenty of folks that just think so.

I would assume the very minimal power consumption increase would be negated by improvements to the tech and manufacturing processes.


RE: Another stupid-high resolution phone
By techxx on 6/18/2014 12:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
Are you insane? LG even flat out admitted that it went through hell and tons of R&D just to make battery life tolerable on it.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/18/2014 1:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
Tolerable? Dude it's CLASS LEADING!

They went through a ton of R&D to have CLASS LEADING, by far, battery life.

The G2 beat other 1080p smartphones in battery life. So what now? Hell it even beat 720p smartphones!!

Now the G3 is doing the same thing.

God you are thick.


By retrospooty on 6/18/2014 2:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
That is not at all what they said... They merely said they implemented additional improvements to make the battery life better to compensate for the additional size and res of the screen. Not "make it tolerable" - that is rediculous.

I do agree to wait for more full battery test reviews of the US versions to see how well it does (coming in July), but there are zero reasons to think it wont be better than the G2 - which already led the pack last year.


Déjà vu
By UltraWide on 6/18/2014 10:54:38 AM , Rating: 2
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/samsung-galax...

EXACT same thing happened with the Galaxy S4, Sammy released the Galaxy S4-LTE with Snapdragon 800 6 weeks after launch.

LOL




RE: Déjà vu
By atechfan on 6/19/2014 7:27:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, and reclaimer77 says Nokia has too many models that are hard to tell apart from the naming scheme? Samsung easily takes the cake for having a confusing array of similarly named phones.


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