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Samsung may have lost in court, but it's now taking its fight to the papers

Samsung may be still licking its wounds from an utter beatdown in court at the hands of Apple, but the South Korean company definitely isn't going down without a fight. The company is preparing a legal assault of its own and has just previewed its latest ad campaign that targets the recently announced iPhone 5.
 
We'll just let the ad speak for itself:
 
 
 
So what do you guys think of Samsung’s ad?

Source: Business Insider



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It insults itself
By MartyLK on 9/16/2012 1:42:30 AM , Rating: 5
Though the iPhone looks nice and no doubt is built well hardware wise, it's boring and useless compared to Android. The only true reason to have the iPhone 5 is for looks alone. The software is just too old and uninspired to ever be a real alternative to Android. There are too many Android phones that kick the iPhone's rear feature-wise and capability-wise.

Samsung isn't insulting the new iPhone. Apple is insulting it and shaming it by keeping it so "yesterday".




RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By Samus on 9/16/2012 7:33:26 AM , Rating: 5
iOS hasn't changed since 2007 (visually) where as WP is completely new and modern (2 years old) and Android 4.0 brought a completely new interface.

If Android isn't so solid, why do 61% of smartphones run it? iOS is very long in the tooth.


RE: It insults itself
By Sivar on 9/16/2012 11:45:27 AM , Rating: 2
Did you even read the post you replied to?


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 6:24:00 PM , Rating: 1
The point flew right over his head


RE: It insults itself
By Samus on 9/17/2012 9:50:24 PM , Rating: 3
Did YOU read the post I replied too?


RE: It insults itself
By kingmotley on 9/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: It insults itself
By dark matter on 9/16/2012 1:41:07 PM , Rating: 5
You keep telling yourself laddy, it's true in your own head.

I'm not one to ruin your dreams.

I'll let reality do that.


RE: It insults itself
By connor4312 on 9/16/2012 5:23:03 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how that survey isn't publicly available, and coverage of the survey by CNN Money and Forbes don't mention even that type of question (preference) ever being asked.


RE: It insults itself
By messyunkempt on 9/18/2012 4:53:35 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
almost half of Android users are unhappy with the stability of the OS, and are planning on switching to the iPhone when their contracts are up


So basically, what you're saying is that 30% of the smartphone market will be moving to iOS within the next year or so when contracts run out? Taking apples share from 17% of the market to 47%?

Bullshit.


RE: It insults itself
By Freelancer47 on 9/24/2012 5:09:46 AM , Rating: 1
Dude, you are really gone..

What you`re saying is that people got bored to beeing free an do whatever they like so they`ll prefer now to go to jail.

Android is a free OS that let`s you work it how you like it and not pay anything. iOS is like a prison, you cannot customize it, you`re always tied up to that crap itunes application, cannot link to other phones, cannot link to many routers - so no wireless possibility, cannot do many thinks. Also, the screen is easily breakable and is very sensitive to humidity. Also have to spend a lot of money on app one can find free on android market.

And there are plenty reasons there why one should not go for an aifon.

But the success of the aifon exists purely to the religion of it. One has to be trully retarded to stay a week/a day in front of a store to buy a phone, no matter what does that phone. These individuals are really lost and they are trying desperately to be part of a group or something that will draw attention to them. But it`s a big joke on them from all the points of view. And apple knows it and makes huge amounts of money on their behalf.

It`s space for everyone on the market. too bad apple is so desperate and so afraid to be on a market with other competitors. They need to pay judges to ban other products beucase they cannot compete.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: It insults itself
By quiksilvr on 9/16/2012 5:48:45 PM , Rating: 2
Longer period? Last time I checked iPhone has been out roughly a year longer than Android.

And I agree Gingerbread is dated but its better than older iterations of iOS. Plus I don't believe all iPhones run iOS5 or iOS6.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: It insults itself
By elleehswon on 9/16/2012 11:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
iOS 5/6 is supported all the way back to the 2009 3GS.


BS is getting pretty deep in here. supported as in missing half the functionality and turns the older devices (3gs) into a more than usually clunky brick? yea, supported...lol as in, apple will gladly let you "upgrade" to ios5 on your old phone to force you into buying a new one as the "upgrade" rendered your phone near unusable.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 4:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
iOS 4 was definitely slow on older hardware but 5 (and from what I've read by people running the GM, 6) run fine.

As for missing features, what are we missing, Siri? Not a big deal compared the the colossal laundry list of performance and UI fixes Google has been rolling with each Android update.


RE: It insults itself
By jimbojimbo on 9/17/2012 5:51:15 PM , Rating: 4
You should be pissed that your phone can actually run Siri but Apple blocked it. They block key features so you'd buy a new phone when they really don't necessarily have to. Bastards.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By msheredy on 9/19/2012 12:30:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...is nothing compared to blocking entire Android OS upgrades when the hardware is relatively recent...


This!


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By 91TTZ on 9/17/12, Rating: -1
RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 4:36:55 PM , Rating: 1
People here aren't thinking about WHY Android has had so many UI changes while iOS and WP haven't.

They think it is a feature when in fact it has been annual attempts by Google to fix something that was broken. It finally got to a good place with ICS, and I think that the minimal JB UI update will be a sign of things to come. Going forward I think it is likely that Android UI updates will be as small as those made to iOS or WP.

I don't know what Apple/MS haters are going to complain about then, but they'll find something.

quote:
I think that you'll find that most of the high-volume Android phones are the cheaper ones. So 61% of smartphones run it because they're cheap phones that run a free OS.


Exactly. The bulk of Android phones out there are trash phones running an old version of a free OS. A bad OS with Gingerbread at that.

Perhaps it makes sense to do a study of what the distribution of mid and high end phones are. I'm certain that the bulk of those are iOS devices, given that almost all iPhones sold are in the high-end area. One of the best selling Android phones is the S3, and the last iPhone sold twice as many units as the S3 in the same initial three month period. The iPhone 5 will probably sell twice as many as the 4S, based on numbers that were released today.

If we're talking about the high end, and we should given that flagship Android phones are all people here seem to care about, then the percentages should skew greatly from the 61%.

I'll say that I don't care about the marketshare popularity contests that reclaimer/swash/retrospooty/etc love to get into. It only matters to me in that I want enough customers to support a good development community, but that's it. I do find it funny that Android fans are pumping up numbers with giveaway crap-phones though.


RE: It insults itself
By msheredy on 9/17/2012 12:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If Android isn't so solid, why do 61% of smartphones run it? iOS is very long in the tooth.


Because like everything Android it's free and you get what you pay for.


RE: It insults itself
By Uncle on 9/17/2012 1:19:10 PM , Rating: 2
I was wondering,is that the same line of thinking whereby apple charges for each incremental service pack upgrade, and MS gives their Service Packs out for free.Or. If its free its crap and for apple sheep, if you pay for it ,its one hell of a deal and apple sheep sleep better at night.


RE: It insults itself
By msheredy on 9/17/2012 5:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
Since you didn't understand my point allow me to explain further. Phone manufactures use Android because it's a free OS to install on their phones. Apple doesn't license their OS to other manufactures because they don't want to. My point was what other competitive mobile OS is out there that's free... none.

Where do you get your info from anyway? First off let's distinguish what platform you're talking about. Since this is a phone blog lets talk mobile OS. iOS updates are free, always have always will.

Now if you're talking about desktop OS then yes every MAJOR Update to OS 10 will cost ya. Contrary to your beliefs the incremental updates are free, seriously where did you read they charge you for it? Having said this are you telling me that Windows does charge it's customers for MAJOR updates to Windows? BULLSHIT.


RE: It insults itself
By Uncle on 9/17/2012 6:22:45 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry my bad. Got my wires crossed between comps and phones.


RE: It insults itself
By messele on 9/18/2012 3:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
Going by the logic in your argument if OSX upgrades really are the same as a Windows service pack then (for example) 10.3 Panther would be basically identical to 10.8 Mountain Lion with bug fixes being the only difference.

Clearly if you ever have used OSX it was a very brief brush with a single version.


RE: It insults itself
By Bateluer on 9/18/2012 7:58:53 PM , Rating: 2
68.9 % of global Smartphones run Android. Only About 17% run iOS, but thats without numbers from the iphone 5.


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/16/2012 8:20:49 PM , Rating: 5
You just dont want to accept that Apple has been caught up with and then surpassed. Even you cant be impressed with ios lately. Its stagnating and you know it. IOS6 could easily be called IOS3.3 based on what has been done since 3.

Its ok though. You seem to be content with it so enjoy it... dont try an Android4.1 high end phone though. That content feeling will leave you.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 4:25:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have used JB, its good, where Android should have been three years ago. The S3 is also a very fast phone.

I'll say it again, inferior developer support and sketchy support by carriers is why I can't move over (malware would be a concern but I'd hope to be good at dodging it after decades of running Windows).

As for the UI, meh. iOS and WP aren't going to see much change because they are solid foundations. You'll see polish and a few new things, but that's it for a while. Android never had a good foundation to begin with, it was really bad, and Google is finding it as they go along.

Notice that the move from ICS to JB was mostly under the hood. On top it wasn't a big change at all. This may be a sign that Android has finally found its "baseline" UI to polish and tweak on top of.

Are you people going to get mad if the next Android version has a similarly small UI update because the ICS/JB UIs are finally where they should be? Sure seems like you should get mad if that happens, otherwise it would be very hypocritical.


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/17/2012 5:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
Being angry at developers doesnt com into the equasion. I simply go for the best thing out that isn't stupidly expensive. Lucking in the US, all high end phones are pretty much $200 with 2 year contract so price goes away and I simply get the best thing out that suits my needs. If a better option comes out, I drop Android like it was a clingy girl.


RE: It insults itself
By messele on 9/18/2012 5:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
How do developers not figure into this? Apps are everything to these phones and without kick-ass developers how are you going to have awesome apps?

Surely you don't just sit there cooing at the sparkly UI all day?


RE: It insults itself
By Reclaimer77 on 9/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By messele on 9/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By Freelancer47 on 9/24/2012 5:20:50 AM , Rating: 1
Don`t bother with crapple fan boys. They wouldn`t see it even it was smt like empire state building. let them be screwed by crapple, why bother ? it`s not your money.

what we should be angered at are the politics of crapple of buying judges and banning competitors products so they`ll have the monopol on the market. these tactics should bother everyone, even the fanboys here.

if they want an outdated phone with a limited OS and limited connectivity, why bother ? it`s their loss , not yours. even now you`re waisting time trying to make them come to reason.

you have to understand that they aren`t buying a phone, they are buying an aifon. it doesn`t matter it has so many issues, bad signal and all that. it`s an aifon and that`s the only thing that matters. aifon 6 could be a brick with the logo on and they`ll still stay in front of the stores some days to buy this shit.

Understand now ? It really doesn`t matter.. and also you shouldn`t give a damn about it. Let them be.. but avoid them


RE: It insults itself
By Globemaster on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By MartyLK on 9/16/2012 4:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
When the iPhone was originally launched back in 2007, it was the best smartphone the world ever received. There was anything else with it whole and complete quality, reliability, simplicity and technology.

That was then, ths is now.

Now that Android is pretty much perfected - the core system, there is no more need for iOS. Android surpasses iOS now. Android evolves and is fresh and new all the time. It is more capable than iOS and much more interesting. Android is now just as reliable as iOS ever was.

The only reason iOS ever made such an impact when it was released is because it was a reliable and well crafted system. It was the only one at the time. If Android, as it is today, had been around at the same time in the market when iOS was released, iOS would not have become so prevailent in the market.

Apple needs to recognize that iOS is old and tired and completely obsolete now. It has real and genuine cometition and it will not survive if Apple doesn't evolve it - make new and fresh all the time.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/16/2012 8:25:02 PM , Rating: 5
The fact that you think Google needs to be in parity with Apple shows that you just dont get it. Its open, its flexible, and its already better. As A company Apple makes more money but as a consumer Android gives you more. Not just by a little... but a lot.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 4:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
Being "open" is in aid of carriers, not customers. These are the same entities that screw people with limited data plans and contracts.

Being "open" sounds great on paper but it hasn't resulted in better apps or better security for customers, it has done the opposite. It has certainly screwed customers out of substantial operating system fixes unless they buy new phones. Why should a carrier bother updating perfectly capable hardware when they can force people into extending contracts and buying new hardware.

I can't believe you people don't see this, or that you find it acceptable.

I'll care once being "open" has accomplished a better customer experience in terms of apps, security, and support. I'm talking about flexibility and value beyond superficial tweaking of the home screen.


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/17/2012 5:25:47 PM , Rating: 3
Like I keep saying. You don't get it. Your post illustrates that you dont get it.

"Being "open" sounds great on paper but it hasn't resulted in better apps or better security for customers, it has done the opposite."

It gives us better phones, better options on those phones. SD card ones, Micro USB ones, NFC ones, ones with real camera's, cheap ones, mid range ones, high end ones, qwerty ones, removable battery ones, small ones, medium ones, "some as big as your head" ones. You get one. The only one, and that one is lacking on alot of features.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 9:49:09 PM , Rating: 2
Different options are just that, different options. I think its great that other options are available and that's why it is a good thing that Android exists in the first place. If you want a larger screen or a keyboard, fantastic. I prefer software keyboards and I don't like the almost 5" displays you see in something like an S3, but the option is certainly there for people who want it.

You still ignore the bad that comes with an "open" platform that carriers have too much control over. Delayed or no guarantee on updates, a platform that is less profitable while being more difficult to develop for, malware, these are the flip side to that openness.

There needs to be a balance in the middle, and its one that I think Microsoft is trying to nail with WP. They have a baseline level of hardware specs that allows for different form factors and input devices, yet they have control over OS updates (which to be fair they have had to give in to resistance from carriers before) and control over their app market. It is a place in the middle that I really like and hope that they succeed with.

I'm not denying the hardware benefits of Android, but at the same time there are negatives that come with it that I cannot get past. Either way, being "open" again benefits the pockets of carriers and device makers more than consumers. If user experience and a solid development platform was a higher priority for them then you wouldn't see me complain about it.


RE: It insults itself
By Reclaimer77 on 9/17/2012 10:48:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Several things need to happen for Android to reach parity with iOS.


Android reached parity with iOS last year. It's since passed it. Why should they go back to "parity"?

Comments like this show how out of touch you are. But by all means, keep grading Android on your curved scale. It's really working!


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 4:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
ICS wasn't available on most phones until this year, and it didn't reach anything close to parity until JB came out. JB is on something under 5% of total Android devices. The primary Android version is still the awful Gingerbread.

Even considering all of that, it still has all of the disadvantages of having so much power in the hands of carriers. It still has quite a hill to climb.


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/17/2012 5:34:49 PM , Rating: 2
"The primary Android version is still the awful Gingerbread."

You know, if we were talking about buying a phone 2 years ago your comment is relevant. The iPhone doesnt compete with low end Android phones, or 2 year old phones. It competes with high end phones from this year.

If this were in reverse, I would be going on and on how the Galaxy S3 cleans the floor with the iPhone 3gs. Not a relevant comparison.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 9:55:44 PM , Rating: 2
Roughly 60% of Android devices out there are running Gingerbread. Gingerbread and Froyo combined make up about 75% of Android devices. This is why Gingerbread is still the primary Android version right now.

Over 80% of iOS devices are running the latest iOS 5, and an even larger percentage will be running iOS 6 by the end of the year.


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/17/2012 10:11:38 PM , Rating: 2
What conversation are you even having? You start out talking then change the scope.

You started off about what Android needs to do to achieve parity, I responded to say it doesnt need parity its already better, and now you are talking about older Androids and how they arent equal. You get no argument from me on that. Android 2.x sucked rocks. Android 4.1 kicks IOS's ass. This whole article is a GS3 vs. iPhone about the add above. It's not about Android 2.x


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/18/2012 2:19:13 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is that the majority establishes the baseline platform for developers. When the bulk of your customers are on a platform that is bad, it is that much harder to target towards your customers that are on the better one.

The number of capable phones that are not getting ICS upgrades are an anchor on the entire Android userbase.

This is important given that app ecosystem and developer support are two things that are very important to me. It is a part of the old "fragmentation" issue.

As for 4.1 kicking iOS's ass, I don't see how. 4.1 is good and the S3 is a very fast (albeit huge) phone. It is still missing a lot of the things that I like about the iPhone (better apps, better security, guaranteed OS updates), and you aren't missing out on performance with the iPhone either. If anything the iPhone 5's performance is going to blast past every device on the market while being smaller than last year's model, so I don't agree at all with the idea that it is an inferior platform.

There is a lot of value in it, despite the angry people here who want to believe that its only market is brainwashed sheep.

If you want a bigger screen and to mess with the home screen, maybe even have a keyboard, Android is great. I don't like pentile displays at all, I don't want to start wearing cargo pants just to pocket my phone, and I like my solid OS that has apps that either aren't on Android or have inferior ports, so it isn't for me.

But that's just me, choices!


RE: It insults itself
By retrospooty on 9/18/2012 12:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
There is SOOOOOO much more to it than the small advantage IOS has in developers, but whatever. If that is your main concern, then you are stuck with an iPhone.


RE: It insults itself
By 91TTZ on 9/17/2012 12:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now that Android is pretty much perfected - the core system, there is no more need for iOS. Android surpasses iOS now. Android evolves and is fresh and new all the time. It is more capable than iOS and much more interesting. Android is now just as reliable as iOS ever was.


It sounds like you're falling for the "newer must mean better" fallacy.

I thought I would offer some of my advice here:

Android is at a serious disadvantage because it uses a slower programming language. Android programs are written in Java while iOS programs are written in Objective C. As a result iOS apps usually run more efficiently and offer better performance using the same hardware.

From Wikipedia:

As of February 2012, microbenchmarks show Java 7 is approximately 1.5 times slower than C.

I know that they probably didn't use the exact variant of C that is used for iPhones, but a compiled programming language is generally going to be faster than one that uses an intermediate step like Java.

I'm no programming pro but those that do programming often enjoy programming Java. It's just slower, that's all.


RE: It insults itself
By epollyon on 9/17/2012 5:13:02 PM , Rating: 2
91TTZ and TakinYourPoints,

You guys are nailing it on the head. Good job. I also think Google needs to implement apple's push services! Currently, I'm running Skype and IM+ purely as push services and suspended processes (if not completely closed processes). This is much better on battery life. Google's acquisition of motorola spells trouble for apple, though. If they drop Android including the Java VM that everything runs on and creates a better SDK for their superior voice recognition, search, maps, translation, and social media services, then Apple could be in trouble. C'mon google, android is meh, java is meh, rooting your phone just to get rid of the carriers garbage is meh, not being able to run the latest OS (with full hardware support) on your new phone is also meh.

Carriers should not be in the hardware/software equation!!!

iOS 6 is running great on my iPhone 4, thanks very much Apple :)

ps. i don't hate google, i just expect more


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 10:04:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Carriers should not be in the hardware/software equation!!!


I agree 1000%, it is a conflict of interest that should not be there. Relying on carriers for OS updates, the same people who benefit from the sales of newer hardware if they don't support existing customers, is ridiculous.

quote:
ps. i don't hate google, i just expect more


Yup, as much as I slag on Android, I really do love and expect a lot from Google. My #1 browser is Chrome on every platform, its fantastic.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/17/2012 10:01:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, another reason why Android apps are inferior to their iOS counterparts (outside of things like UI and developer resources devoted).

It isn't a point I bring up very often because it seems like such an ingrained flaw with the OS. What I bring up are things that can actually be rectified (taking control over OS updating and the marketplace). Relying on Java is a deeper issue, and it is an inferior platform to the compiled languages that iOS and WP use.

Of course, a less efficient system can be partly overcome with brute force, hence the giant Android phones you're seeing to support the batteries required to properly support 1.5ghz SoCs.


RE: It insults itself
By Omega215D on 9/16/2012 5:37:16 PM , Rating: 3
Meanwhile Apple supporters, not Apple itself, are countering with their own parody... except it's full of bad info just like Apple's Mac vs. PC crap.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsungs-It-doesnt-...

Apple brought this sh*t on themselves.


RE: It insults itself
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: It insults itself
By tamalero on 9/17/2012 11:39:57 AM , Rating: 2
Hilariously.. a lot of commenters have been correcting the "parody poster" creator for his mistakes.


RE: It insults itself
By Wolfpup on 9/17/2012 10:40:26 AM , Rating: 2
Are you actually unaware this is fanboi drivel? Is it supposed to be a parody?

ALL the mobile OSes have advantages and disadvantages. It's utterly absurd to write off one of the top 2, that has the most developer support, as terrible or "boring and useless".

Your "new" software doesn't handle podcasts as well as Apple's software from 2005, just for starters...


RE: It insults itself
By jimbojimbo on 9/17/2012 5:48:24 PM , Rating: 2
I actually think the 5 looks boring. When the leaks came out everybody said that it was fake since it looked kind of ugly but now that it's out Apple fans are saying it looks great. The 4 and 4S are much better looking IMHO.


Samsung...
By messele on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Samsung...
By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Samsung...
By V-Money on 9/16/2012 4:07:38 PM , Rating: 2
Its obvious you are just a troll or a moron but just for fun...
quote:
Samsung. Give me a bullet point list of things that the iPhone can't do that I want to get done and fair enough, you can have my money.

The problem with this is argument is that you can use it for any modern smartphone, any of them can do what you need to for the vast majority of consumers so why pay more?

quote:
Don't give me a list of s*** "shake to update" that is just a different implementation of something every phone can do to get round patents.

Well, Apple is quick to demonstrate how "important and valuable" stupid patents such as "bounce back" and "rectangular with minimal buttons" are, so why not have some fun at their expense.

quote:
Don't give me s*** like "removable battery" where the only practical use for me would be as a way of hard-rebooting a crashed OS. I got bored of that s*** in the 90's.

I agree completely, the ability to have extra batteries and use them by simply switching them, or extending the life of a phone with a used up battery is a terrible idea :| Why give people extra options when messele is bored with the options, in fact, do you have any other brilliant ideas? Maybe they should stop letting you customize ringtones because other peoples ringtones annoy you. Maybe they should get rid of the voice calling feature all together because texting is the way of the future. Last time I checked, options are a good thing and good for the consumer.

quote:
Don't give me "standard Micro USB", a port that was never engineered to have a big phone levering against it in a dock and breaks easily.

And the new "lightning connector" was engineered that way?
The new lightning is more durable than the 30pin design, but ultimately it was designed to save space, not to support a large phone. You know just as well as everyone else that Apple wants a unique design, because if accessories were made with micro usb you would be able to use them with other phones, making the switch to competing phones easier and loosening Apples stranglehold of you in their closed environment.

quote:
Don't give me the security cluster-fuck that is NFC. If somebody is going to rob money by brushing against my pocket I'd rather they did it the old fashioned way.

Thats true, in fact lets get rid of digital banking altogether, lets just all keep cash on us like the old days because people can just hack your bank accounts. I have had this feature for awhile now, and it is very useful, especially since google wallet now lets you use any card. In fact, it keeps you from having to carry all of your credit cards on you, so it makes it harder to steal your credit cards than if you physically carried them. Maybe you should look into the security of the google wallet before you knock it, believe it or not it doesn't just send out all of your cc info to anything that requests it. You have to have the screen on and enter the pin, but since your iPhone doesn't have the feature its much easier to just knock the feature.

quote:
A list of things I give a crap about?

Well, if you don't give a crap about the screen size, display type, memory (ram and additional), weight, battery life, OS, and LTE capability then what do you care about? The logo?


RE: Samsung...
By Guspaz on 9/16/2012 4:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
I never got the obsession with removable batteries. Of all the laptops and phones I've ever owned, not once have I ever swapped the battery. Nor would I want to carry around extra batteries (especially for telephones), as they're not designed to be tossed into a bag where random things might touch their contacts.

USB battery packs are a far more sane solution to the extended battery life problem, and they still let you take advantage of the volume savings from not having a removable battery.


RE: Samsung...
By Omega215D on 9/16/2012 5:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
I would rather carry extra batteries as they aren't as big as those USB packs. I don't swap out very often, they are just security measures should I find myself away from an outlet for longer than expected.

That's the great thing about choice.


RE: Samsung...
By fishman on 9/17/2012 8:12:52 AM , Rating: 2
My son's iPhone 3GS battery lost quite a bit of capacity after the first year. By the end of the second year it could barely hold a charge. A removable battery would have made replacement a snap.


RE: Samsung...
By messele on 9/17/2012 12:26:43 PM , Rating: 1
I asked what the the iPhone cannot do what other phones can. I didn't ask for a list of irrelevant specs. I already know those things and I'm still unimpressed.

I didn't bring shit like "shake to update" into this, to list that as a value added feature to try and shift your phones is a joke. Removable batteries to excuse you for inadequate engineering is a bunch of crap. Politicians deciding on what the standard connector should be without consulting engineers is a bunch of crap. NFC is insecure because of the protocols and physical implementation, it has nothing to do with what information it carries.

Seriously though. Forget about my wants and tell me what x or y phone does that my phone cannot do. I think you can at least do that because Samsung clearly cannot in their adverts and I want to help them. Really I do.


RE: Samsung...
By nolisi on 9/17/2012 3:07:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Forget about my wants and tell me what x or y phone does that my phone cannot do.


You just listed some of them- but you dismissed them for one BS reason or another.

1) The iPhone cannot hold more than 64GBs of data (and this 64 GBs comes at a higher price point than the expandable storage you knocked)

For other things not mentioned:

2) iPhone cannot tether (without additional fee or jailbreaking)

3) The iPhone cannot project info (Samsung Galaxy Beam)

4) The iPhone cannot use data and voice simultaneously over LTE networks.


RE: Samsung...
By messele on 9/18/2012 4:49:18 AM , Rating: 2
1. When I actually manage to fill 64Gb of data I'll consider that an advantage. OK it IS an advantage but I've never been in a situation where it would benefit me personally.

2. The iPhone can and does tether via Wi-Fi, Bluetooth or USB. I don't know where you got your "facts" from on that one but they are inaccurate and I use it all the time.

3. Galaxy Beam is a cool feature I'm sure. At <100 lumens though will anybody (over the age of 15) ever actually use it after the first week though?

4. Yup got Apple on that one it appears. Bummer. Surely voice goes over 3G and data over LTE though? Irrelevant.


RE: Samsung...
By cmdrdredd on 9/17/2012 5:31:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Thats true, in fact lets get rid of digital banking altogether, lets just all keep cash on us like the old days because people can just hack your bank accounts. I have had this feature for awhile now, and it is very useful, especially since google wallet now lets you use any card. In fact, it keeps you from having to carry all of your credit cards on you, so it makes it harder to steal your credit cards than if you physically carried them. Maybe you should look into the security of the google wallet before you knock it, believe it or not it doesn't just send out all of your cc info to anything that requests it. You have to have the screen on and enter the pin, but since your iPhone doesn't have the feature its much easier to just knock the feature.


Besides all that it doesn't transmit your CC info to the pin-pad. WHat it does is transmit some Google info so when you get the bank statement it says *google payment*<merchant name>


RE: Samsung...
By messele on 9/18/2012 5:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
No obviously it doesn't need to transmit that data but that's not how the thefts occur.

If you do have NFC I'm not going to knock that but I really would urge that you read up on the technology and be aware of what the flaws with it are. The biggest security risk of all is ignorance.


RE: Samsung...
By vignyan on 9/16/2012 6:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
It might be better if you made a list of things YOU give a CR*P about and see if Samsung caters to your needs. Ofcourse if you want an apple logo on it, you are better off with a apple product... pfff... fanboys... :)


RE: Samsung...
By messele on 9/18/2012 3:17:17 PM , Rating: 2
Err well I suppose I could start with integration across all my computing devices at software level so I don't have to spend hours messing about with crap just to make it work together as I used to have to 20 years ago.

If that can be satisfied I'll move onto item number two. Not not I'm out.


RE: Samsung...
By Bateluer on 9/18/2012 8:09:40 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, I'm out of downvotes to downvote this stupidity. Are you that delusional? Removable batteries, standard MicroUSB, NFC, and expandable storage are all fantastic features that should be staples in all modern devices.

When traveling, I only need to bring a single cable with me to charge my phone, tablet, and GPS watch.

When I'm at the Ren Faire, OktoberFest, Wild West Show, or post-race entertainment, since I have a removable battery I'm able to use my phone continuously after a 2 minute battery swap. By the way, battery pulls to hard reboot stopped on Android in 2009. Time to join us in the modern age.

NFC is still in its infancy. As much as I'm sure you want strangers to brush against you in public, it doesn't work that way. There's a lot of potential for NFC, but growth has been extremely slow as every US carrier stifled Google Wallet and fought among themselves to create their own NFC payment system.

Expandable store? No brainer. 16GB on a tablet pretty much renders it useless, thats not enough enough space to store a season of a TV show in HD. Pop in a 64Gb SDXC, problem solved. Err, but then you'd have no reason to buy the higher end model for with the difference being 3x the price of the card.

Sadly, like so many features, iFans will consider them unnecessary, ineffective, irrelevant, and unneeded. Like large screens, multitasking, copy/paste, and high resolutions were 'useless' until they were blessed by Apple and came to various iPhone models. Then they became the greatest things since sliced bread, essential features that every phone had to have.


Awesome
By matt0401 on 9/15/2012 10:12:23 PM , Rating: 5
Samsung needs to fight fire with fire. There's nothing wrong with some bold advertising. :)




RE: Awesome
By KayDat on 9/16/2012 2:10:59 AM , Rating: 3
They gotta market Gangnam Style.


RE: Awesome
By Omega215D on 9/16/2012 5:38:56 PM , Rating: 3
It's more truthful than the crap Apple put out that's for sure.


Weak
By KPOM1 on 9/15/2012 9:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
It sounds like Samsung is quite worried about the impact of the iPhone 5 on their sales.

Comparing phones on "specs" completely misses the point. It's like comparing minivans based on horsepower. Most phone buyers don't base their purchasing decisions on specs.




RE: Weak
By Mitch101 on 9/15/2012 10:13:26 PM , Rating: 3
If this ad just takes 1% of iPhone sales away it will have paid for itself. If the ad can change 5% of peoples minds then you get the picture.


RE: Weak
By retrospooty on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Weak
By messele on 9/17/2012 2:00:26 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong, half of those are subjective opinions, not specs (or features for that matter). The rest are things we already covered and are of no benefit for the majority (of normal people, not geeks).

I take it nobody can actually tell me something killer that you can do with an Android phone then that the rest of us are missing? I mean a use for it, not some frigging bit of it that pops off like a clowns car door and exposes a bunch of pocket lint and pubes. Nokia gave me all of those things in the 90's.


RE: Weak
By dark matter on 9/16/2012 1:43:54 PM , Rating: 3
That's true. Most people don't look at specs before they buy anything.

Only the other day I saw a family buy a one bedroom flat, because they don't check these things out.

My friend bought a TV the other day. Didn't even check how big it was. Couldn't get it into his front room.

Even myself, I bought a single chair and table. I was shocked to see the rest of my family standing there wondering where to sit.

Just goes to show how right you are.


This Ad tells the truth for a change!.
By fteoath64 on 9/15/2012 11:09:27 PM , Rating: 2
Most ads are outright lies or truth twisters and deception perceivers but this one clear spells out the truth even a heavier SIII. But for all its virtues, many sheeple still choose enslavement.

The mind control is just prevalent and mass media disinformation strengthens such controls along with prescription drugs and food additives.




By MadMan007 on 9/15/2012 11:38:41 PM , Rating: 4
Every time I read the word sheeple I can't help but think of this:

http://xkcd.com/1013/


By Doh! on 9/15/2012 10:53:29 PM , Rating: 2
Starting in about two weeks prior to the introduction of iphone 5, the top two major carriers in S.Korea began selling the Samsung Galaxy S III for $250 in an attempt to lure customers away from purchasing the new iPhone. A week later (1 week prior to the iphone 5 introduction), the price dropped to $150. It is believed that the price reduction was heavily subsidized by Samsung.

The only requirement was that you keep the contract for a 3 month period with a LTE plan (around $60/month). Then you can cancel the contract (unlocked of course) without any penalties.

After the introduction of iphone 5, the price shot up to $550~600. However, they think the phone will be available for free (with a 3 month contract requirement) couple weeks before the iphone becomes available.

It seems Samsung does not want to lose the battle with iphone 5 at least in its own country.




By BZDTemp on 9/16/2012 9:30:18 AM , Rating: 2
To me it looks like this add is consumer information and if anything it's food for thought to the Apple fans.




Insult? No, marketing!
By danjw1 on 9/16/2012 12:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
Why is this an insult? It is a direct feature by feature comparison, that doesn't seem insulting to me. I guess "Samsung does fair comparison in new add" doesn't make as good of a headline, but it is quite a bit more accurate.




No need to think about it.
By EricMartello on 9/16/2012 3:05:43 PM , Rating: 2
The fact that the ad is provocative enough that it's posted prominently on DT shows that it is in fact doing its job very well - and that is to draw attention to Samsung's new phone and get people talking about it.




NFC
By btc909 on 9/17/2012 12:05:39 AM , Rating: 2
NFC was a big mistake to be left out of the iPhone 5. I personally wouldn't miss carrying around a wallet full of cards as long as I can make one phone call to suspend all of these cards at once.




By drednox on 9/16/2012 4:36:18 PM , Rating: 1
Hi

I am posting this from my PC at home. I'm middle aged, check my e-mail from my home PC or work PC if I need to, my kids can call or text me anytime they want, my current phone is $40 a month flat, taxes and fees included. I can talk on it, I can text, its a slider with a big keyboard to accomodate my large fingers.

It is also durable, I'm a mechanic and dropped it about 70' while working on a scissor lift. It fell apart. I put the covers back on, put the SIM card and battery back in, and it continues to work.

While I travel to see family either in Europ (mine) or China (my wife's), all I gotta do is purchase a local SIM card for any pre-pay or pay as you go plans and I get cheap phone calls instead of being charged between $2 to $3 a minute like the US companies charge me for international roaming.

So tell me, why the hell would I buy some useless teeny-bopper gizmo built for looks instead of base functionality ?

This whole apple - samsung thing is silly.

Both are way overpriced, both break easily, and none can accomplish things I do on my PCs, such as complex CAD/CAM at work or playing GW2 or watching unlimited movies and programs at hardwired speeds without any worry of data caps at home.

Until the above is met, this whole technology is nearly useless for a vast segment of population, myself included in that segment.

Make a phone that doesnt break, has a keyboard large enough for my size, costs $40 a month total (or less) everything included, doesnt charge me an arm and a leg when international roaming, then we'll see.

As is neither crapple nor crapdroid are of any use.




IPhone for sale!
By GotThumbs on 9/17/2012 8:18:33 AM , Rating: 1
In the end...it really is an individual choice. Does the IPhone (any Gen) do for you...what an Android device can't? Nope. For some years...Androids have had built in functions that Apple is just getting to (e.g. Navigation).

My brother bought an Iphone for his 16 Year old daughter last year, but She's now using and loving one of the Droid phones. He's placing the IPhone on ebay to sell. His whole family is now using droids (4 users). This is after even his wife was thinking of getting an Apple phone. What happened? My brother got a droid after seeing mine and once his family saw what it can do....they wanted one as well.

The truth is...Apples phone is not really unique or cutting edge in its functionality. Apple does have great brand/fashion recognition. They also have a large membership of consumers already in its walled garden. But if every consumer had a chance to use an Android phone for 1 week...and then an Apple. I'd bet quite a few would be very happy choosing the Android. Apple has a walled garden ecosystem. Android gives you choices (Freedom to choose). Apple thinks you are clueless (many consumers are) and thus...."You're holding it wrong". Android gives you the power of choice.

Choose wisely.

Best wishes and be happy with your choice.




Samsung's list may be a conjuring trick
By Tony Swash on 9/16/12, Rating: -1
RE: Samsung's list may be a conjuring trick
By SkullOne on 9/16/2012 8:19:12 AM , Rating: 2
Because synthetic benchmarks mean jack and you know. Will this A6 core outperform the S4? Yes. Does that matter? Not at all especially since the dual A5 was constantly destroyed by Tegra 3 in canned CPU benchmarks.

Unless the apps are written to make use of multi-core it doesn't matter. Not to mention you won't see a difference unless the CPU's are maxed out for an extended period of time as well which is rare. My GNex rarely pegs at 1200MHz. Heck it hardly ramps up to 920MHz because it just isn't necessary.

Also you seem to be forgetting about the international version of the SGS3. Quad-core Exynos. If you want to argue semantics or other crap, if the app is multi-threaded the Exynos will smoke that dual-core A6.

That said it will be interesting to find out more about this chip since it's not A9 and not A15.


RE: Samsung's list may be a conjuring trick
By kingmotley on 9/16/2012 12:18:19 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. The stuff they listed as a 1:1 comparision was dead on, and to some people will prefer the larger screen. The higher resolution of the S3 is nice, and we will see about battery life. Most people would prefer a longer battery life with everything else being equal.

However, the other stuff they added on the Samsung side to make their list longer, OMG. What a list of crap. They might as well add stupid things on the iPhone side too, like "awesome two-tone styling", and "more advanced docking connector", and "centered led flash", and uh..."available in 2 awesome colors!".


RE: Samsung's list may be a conjuring trick
By MadMan007 on 9/16/2012 3:35:54 PM , Rating: 2
What that list represents to me is how Samsung is innovating not copying and how iOS is stagnating.


By cmdrdredd on 9/17/2012 5:41:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What that list represents to me is how Samsung is innovating not copying and how iOS is stagnating.


Exactly right. Things like motion control on your phone are somewhat awkward but it's an innovative feature someone might think is cool. Turn your phone over and it'll mute, shake the phone to close an app or whatever. Stuff like that is at least trying to differentiate the device from others. It's a lot better than "now we have an 8MP Camera on back (but it uses the same old sensor *shhhh!*) and an HD front camera. Wow really? That's...that's what my phone had last year.


Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By elmikethemike on 9/15/12, Rating: -1
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/15/2012 10:19:24 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Simply, no one cares about the Galaxy line of phones except for tech-oriented geeks, and I mean that as lovingly as possible.


Uhh, doesn't Samsung's Galaxy line of smartphones outsell the iPhone?


By Mitch101 on 9/15/2012 10:37:40 PM , Rating: 3
Hitler finds out about iPhone 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5AHEd5kbT0

Even my side of the fence is mocking the iPhone.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By EnzoFX on 9/15/12, Rating: -1
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/15/2012 11:31:22 PM , Rating: 4
Well, the Galaxy S III alone is outselling the iPhone 4S in the United States:

http://www.dailytech.com/Quick+Note+Samsungs+Galax...

Samsung sells way more smartphones in general than Apple:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/idINL6E8I...

So I don't exactly see what your point is...


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By zzynko on 9/16/2012 12:54:59 AM , Rating: 2
The point would be, to increase S3 sales in Korea to the point that iP5 has to fight for every sale it makes.

Imagine that both phones are comparatively priced at the outset but Samsung drops the price twice on S3 to attract more customers. Even those thinking in an upgrade can see that the iP5 doesn't offer anything special other than the brand. The specs, price and marketing campaign can make the argument for the S3, gaining more customers on the home court. Diminishing sales for Apple just became a #1 priority for Samsung.

Whomever is going to buy an iP5 is going to do it not matter what argument you make against it, that's just the reality of brand loyalty.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By ritualm on 9/16/2012 1:01:08 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung's biggest competitors in its home market isn't Apple, it's LG, Pantech and a few others. The appearance of technological superiority doesn't help Apple at all in South Korea.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By zzynko on 9/16/2012 2:21:07 AM , Rating: 2
I can understand LG or Sony competing in the high end but Pantech or other lesser brands do not qualify in this segment.

Either way, I don't see the same aggressive marketing moves that Samsung is making from those other two. With Samsung going as far as taking a loss on the S3 just to make a point.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 5:28:58 AM , Rating: 2
Pantech and other lesser brands may not compete in the same high-end space, but they certainly do bite into marketshare. Samsung owns the high end of the Android phone market with the S3, and they certainly have popular mid and low end phones as well, but there are loads of other low end brands that make up a huge percentage of Android sales as well.

20 million S3s sold are a drop in the bucket compared to all of the low end Android devices out there.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 2:13:04 AM , Rating: 2
The other thing is that the S3 came out almost a year after the iPhone 4S. Obviously it will sell more during the same time.

I don't like arguing about sales, I hate it when Swash/Motoman/etc base arguments of product quality around it. Buy a products based on its merits, simple, this isn't a popularity contest. Developer support is the only thing that matters to me with product popularity since customers=developers, and both iOS and Android are popular enough to get loads of developers (deserving platforms like WP don't have devs simply because of userbase).

If we are only talking about sales though, it makes more sense to make comparisons between their launch periods.

Comparing launch periods, the S3 sold 20 million in its first three months while the iPhone 4S sold 37 million units in its first three months. Comparing the iPhone 5 with the 4S, the 5 sold through its initial pre-order batch in 2 hours, something that took 20 hours for the 4S.

It is a bit strange comparing sales figures in the way Brandon did when the release dates of the S3 and 4S were nine months apart. Fortunately there is only a little over a three month gap here, for those who would like to make more direct comparisons.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By kingmotley on 9/16/2012 12:21:45 PM , Rating: 2
Come on now Brandon, while true that for a couple weeks the Galaxy was outselling the iPhone, it only did so right before everyone was waiting for the iPhone 5. Check those numbers again in a week and I think you will find that the iPhone has taken the crown back with a very large margin again.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Mitch101 on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/17/2012 10:43:45 AM , Rating: 2
Are you being paid to say this crap? Honestly I just have to know. You are like the WP version of Tony.


By Pirks on 9/17/2012 2:42:15 PM , Rating: 1
And you are like the Android version of Tony


By Rukkian on 9/17/2012 11:39:57 AM , Rating: 2
The same reason I do not like apple is present in WP8 - it is a walled garden approach with somebody telling me what I can install, what I can read and what I can do.

I am not an ape nor a child and do not need somebody holding my hand all the time. While there are people out there that enjoy that, it is not for me.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By KPOM1 on 9/16/2012 3:34:14 PM , Rating: 2
The Galaxy S3 outsold the iPhone 4S in the US for 1 month. Of course, that was after the 4S had been on sale for 10 months and everyone knew that the new one was going to be announced on September 12.

Samsung is worried about the iPhone 5. That much is clear.


By retrospooty on 9/17/2012 12:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
Its not really that, nor a surprise. The iPhone will sell in record #'s, of course. Android outsold iPhone 2.5 to 1 in 2011, and its on course to outsell it 4 to 1 in 2012 and ery likely 5-6 to 1 in 2013... What of it?

The iPhone has a large following that will buy it no matter what. Meanwhile, Android sells more phones with better features and makes less money. Nothing new here. People that want a nice looking phone that is easy to use and short on features buy the iPhone. People that want more will buy an Android and get more.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By ritualm on 9/15/2012 10:36:01 PM , Rating: 5
iPhone's advantages, according to you:

"We have patents on everything, but everyone is stealing our hard work"

"Our software has more 0-day security breaches than Diebold voting machines"

"If you need NFC, you are an idiot!" - Phil Schiller

"If you buy Samsung, you truly believe in 1984!"

"We replaced Google Maps with our own inferior incantation because we hate Google!"

"We don't use microUSB because it is too common!"

"We don't let you expand the storage of our phones because microSD cards are a huge security risk we can ill afford"

"Apple has your best interests at heart. Everyone else is lying with their eyes wide open!"

"Apple will never abandon its loyal user base, no matter what!"

Oh wait...

elmikethemike must be a recent graduate of Tony Swash's School of the Terminally Brainwashed iFanboys.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By cokbun on 9/15/2012 11:17:42 PM , Rating: 2
you forgot "we hold our phone vertically to record a video because thats the right way"


By Guspaz on 9/16/2012 4:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
You realize that an iPhone can record video horizontally, right? It can record video in either orientation?


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By althaz on 9/16/2012 2:12:55 AM , Rating: 2
Even Apple don't think the iPhone is as nice to use as Nokia's Windows Phones, just FYI.

Apple's strength is their eco-system and decent hardware. Their user experience is VERY dated, especially compared to WP handsets, but also compared to the latest Android phones.

iOS desperately needs an overhaul, just as Steve Jobs said in his final months :).


By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 5:31:12 AM , Rating: 3
WP has a great mobile UI, probably the best out there right now.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 9:59:46 AM , Rating: 1
Subjective at best. I think it's horrible. A gaudy mishmash of colors, information and tiles that you have to navigate through. Androids robust Widget framework still does a better job of displaying ambient information anyway, and it's customizable.

iOS and Android get it right in this department. I want manageable shortcuts that I can organize and quickly navigate to. Not a bunch of ugly shit thrown on my screen randomly with no seeming logic behind it.

I mean have you ever navigated a WP with 50+ apps installed? It's a nightmare!


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Mitch101 on 9/16/2012 10:47:06 AM , Rating: 1
People who don't know Windows Phone should not comment as if they do.

I have navigated 50+ apps on both an Android and Windows Phone.

1.) I just say the name of the app and it opens.
2.) You also have shortcuts slide to the right to get to apps then click on a letter and it brings up the alphabet click on the letter to where you app would be under and your right there. Little to zero scrolling or having to remember on what page is that icon?
3.) - If its an app you use a lot you tile it and with the resizing of the tiles now even more on the screen. But if it has live tile abilities now it can give you information without having to click on it.
4.) Some tiles will now display micro information on the lock screen telling you weather or not you need to unlock the device to check.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 11:31:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
1.) I just say the name of the app and it opens.


And if you don't recall the name of the app, just know what the icon looks like, then what?

quote:
2.) You also have shortcuts slide to the right to get to apps then click on a letter and it brings up the alphabet click on the letter to where you app would be under and your right there. Little to zero scrolling or having to remember on what page is that icon?


Search features are nice, but a bandaid for poor UI navigation. If you don't know the name of what you're looking for, it's useless. I prefer my folders with like-minded apps clearly labeled "games", "audio", "video" etc etc. You know, the way Windows and other successful OS's have worked for decades?

quote:
3.) - If its an app you use a lot you tile it and with the resizing of the tiles now even more on the screen. But if it has live tile abilities now it can give you information without having to click on it.


Like I didn't know that? It has nothing to do with my point. Yes if you use the same 10 apps Windows Phone looks great. Go deeper than that, and the UI is a mess.

quote:
4.) Some tiles will now display micro information on the lock screen telling you weather or not you need to unlock the device to check.


Yes. Know what OS first displayed information on the lock screen? I'll give you one guess, it wasn't Windows Phone...


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Mitch101 on 9/16/2012 1:07:52 PM , Rating: 2
There are icons next to the app name in the list - disaster averted but why didn't you know that if you know so much about the Windows Phone?

I find 10 pages of icons and nested folders to be a waste but then lets go back to Windows 3.1 days of Apps and folder navigation. Living in the past? Afraid of change? Ive read your rantings seems so you cant figure out how to use Windows 8 on the desktop and funny because its smarter navigation than Windows 7 once you figure it out.

Your just not accurate at all about Windows Phone and it sounds like your running out of excuses to why Android is superior. First it was cut and paste, then apps, then hardware hardware hardware, now we have the same hardware and its down to you think its ugly. Your just down to personal opinion.

As for tiles If I added a background color to icons guess what you get? A tile but that's a disaster for you and a huge mistake and you hate Microsoft because you cant figure out an icon when a background color is applied. Its too comical people who think Tiles are somehow really anything different than an Icon with a background color. Really people?

In all why do you worry so much about little Microsoft if the phones are so bad? Why waste your time telling anyone how bad you think they are if they aren't a threat?

Im around 1.5 years on my Windows Phone has Zero reboots hows your device doing or do you have to upgrade every 3 months? Even then my question still stands. How many times has your device hung or frozen? That was unacceptable in the Windows days why is it acceptable in Android?

Now that were on the same hardware I look forward to some benchmarks on which OS is better optimized.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 1:34:01 PM , Rating: 2
First off I was responding originally to Takin, not you. So the inverse of this:

quote:
In all why do you worry so much about little Microsoft if the phones are so bad? Why waste your time telling anyone how bad you think they are if they aren't a threat?


Also applies to him. Why does he worry so much about Android? Why does he waste his time telling us that iOS and WP is so great?

Why do I have to justify my stance on things to you anyway? Oh wait, I don't!

Point is Takin talks about the Windows Phone UI as if it's some amazing evolution and step up over Android. Frankly it's not. Different? Certainly. Better? Subjective. I say no, others might say yes.

quote:
Im around 1.5 years on my Windows Phone has Zero reboots hows your device doing or do you have to upgrade every 3 months? Even then my question still stands. How many times has your device hung or frozen? That was unacceptable in the Windows days why is it acceptable in Android?


wow... That's certainly NOT subjective at all.

http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-tango-can-h...

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Software-bug-in-Win...

Your bias is amazing. Acceptable for Android to crash and not WIndows Phone? Says who? Use Google, there's just as many Windows Phone crashing and having issues in the wild as any platform. Get over this little niche mindset that you Windows Phone fans have created that your product is more polished and perfected than everyone else. Know who else does that? Apple luddites like Tony. Want to end up like him?

quote:
Now that were on the same hardware


We are? A bit early aren't ya.


By Mitch101 on 9/16/2012 2:01:18 PM , Rating: 2
One of those articles is from 2011. The second requires I go to a German website. Nice try but do more than just a Google search next time.

I also support Mobile devices - Bes, Android, iPhone, Windows Phones. I run BES, Mobile Iron, and Good in the corporate workspace.

Android crashes a lot the few issues we have with Windows Phone were app selection but that's not really an issue any more. For the record iPhone users have connection problems and password issues. Blackberry users are just sad and have battery issues. We find the latest blackberry devices are really picky about chargers and have poor battery life.

We also have a high failure rate on Android devices sending images through text messaging.

Were running into a cut and paste problem with some of the Galaxy S3's
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/565061-...

I could fly off the handle about the issues but I know its a bug that will get fixed but here is a workaround.

1. boot recovery (CWM) > advanced > wipe cache
2. reboot phone > Root Explorer > delete /data/clipbord/*
3. reboot recovery again > advanved > fix permissions
4. reboot phone > it's fine

I speak from administrative support experience when I say the Windows Phone is the most stable mobile device available. Its not the most popular but its growing.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 3:36:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why does he worry so much about Android?


I don't worry at all, I just like pointing out how much better the other mobile operating systems are. This isn't me being mean, it is just an objective analysis.

The nice thing is that Android is finally stabilizing. Look at the "polish" upgrade from ICS to JB, a sign that the OS is finally getting a good baseline to start improving upon. If Google was smart then they'd take some control back from carriers and then maybe they'd have something even better.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 4:02:14 PM , Rating: 2
That's your opinion, not "objective analysis".

quote:
If Google was smart then they'd take some control back from carriers and then maybe they'd have something even better.


Right because tight control and closed garden approaches captured 65+% of the smartphone market? Wrong.

I love your arrogance. If Google was smart? Hey Takin please tell us what company you run who does it any better?

You and Tony, I swear. Give some men a keyboard and an outlet and they become captains of industry, market analysts!


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Tony Swash on 9/16/12, Rating: 0
By momorere on 9/16/2012 5:36:28 PM , Rating: 3
crApple loves you suckers who buy the "the most awesome, best, innovative, must-have" products. It's REALLY REALLY easy to fool you


By elleehswon on 9/17/2012 8:09:41 AM , Rating: 2
well, lets see. google releases the source for every version of android the day it comes out. there are countless developers building custom android roms. There are also custom app repositories that are readily available. The only stuff that isn't open source, for obvious reasons, tends to be proprietary drivers for hardware components.(this holds true for all Operating systems). you can download the drivers, you just won't get the source code.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/16/2012 5:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
So far the iOS walled garden has protected developers and given customers a centralized way to buy applications. Being "open" has made Android open to piracy and malware. On paper the open approach should be the better one, but in practice it has not resulted in Android being the target mobile development platform.

Android being "open" is a fallacy in any case. The benefits of being open are to carriers, the same carriers who screw us over with data plans and contracts, not customers themselves.

Sure, you can root and install your own ROMs, but it is easier to jailbreak iOS in order to sideload apps as well. Same story in both cases, except that Apple actually bothers to keep their regular customers supported with current iOS versions (all the way back to 2009) while Samsung/Motorola/etc and carriers are happy leaving existing customers with perfectly capable phones stuck on Gingerbread.

By the way, how's that open-source Windows operating system you're using right now? Pretty great, right?


By cmdrdredd on 9/17/2012 5:34:33 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Sure, you can root and install your own ROMs, but it is easier to jailbreak iOS


SO downloading a zip file, extracting it and double clicking the batch file is hard now? Unlocking the bootloader with an app called "ez-unlock" and clicking the button that says unlock and then closing the app is hard?

Are you really that stupid?


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 1:42:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are icons next to the app name in the list - disaster averted but why didn't you know that if you know so much about the Windows Phone?


And wtf? How does that refute that point that search functions only work if you know what you are searching for? It's NOT a viable substitute for a good UI structure.

Now you're just trying to to throw anything you can up to see what sticks. Desperate.

quote:
I find 10 pages of icons and nested folders to be a waste but then lets go back to Windows 3.1 days of Apps and folder navigation. Living in the past?


LOL I love you man!! Windows 3.1, right. That's not a straw man at all. Let's just bypass the fact that Windows 7 has the same "archaic" structure.

Oh but that's right, you're the idiot who also thinks Metro is a good UI concept for a desktop PC too. It's different, therefore it MUST be better!


By Mitch101 on 9/16/2012 2:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
If I took Android GUI and added a background color to the icons that's almost identical to the start menu of Windows 8. Scroll to the right to see my icons or icons with a background color.

Tiles are nothing more than icons with a background color and some auto update with information.

Windows 8 gui in under 2 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpTRCT2GHFk

Yes I think its easier and smarter. Im sorry you dont get it.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By Reclaimer77 on 9/16/2012 1:21:30 PM , Rating: 1
We can dick around with this nitpicking till the world crumbles. Point is I feel the Metro UI is ugly, less productive, and less intuitive than Android. I get that YOU and the other 20 people out there who like Windows Phones don't agree, but oh well.


By Mitch101 on 9/16/2012 1:40:12 PM , Rating: 2
I agree whats next for you and I? My daddy can beat up your daddy?

I like the Samsung Galaxy S3 you finally got a nice piece of kit. I just like the Microsoft Phone more and am looking forward to Windows Phone 8. Were on the same hardware just different OS now.

After this I think Apple will be forced to open things up if they want to grow marketshare instead of reselling to their existing owners. Im not sure how far they can go with one device fits all either and incremental updates.


By dark matter on 9/16/2012 1:45:48 PM , Rating: 2
It's easy to lie to yourself.

A bit more difficult to lie to other people.


RE: Hanging on for dear life is more like it
By DiscoWade on 9/17/2012 8:42:30 AM , Rating: 2
I met someone yesterday who doesn't known a bit from a byte. He had a Galaxy S3. To say no one cares about the Galaxy line except tech geeks is a flat-out lie. And he couldn't stop raving about his Galaxy S3.


By Apone on 9/19/2012 12:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
@ DiscoWade

The door swings both ways; As an Android phone owner and hardcore tech geek, I know countless iSheep who are clueless about bits, bytes, and everything else in between. I've gotten into heated debates with iPhone/Macbook owners about specifications and they always fall back on "well it's Apple" as their final line of reasoning when all specification details have been been questioned and scrutinized.


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