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Neither Apple nor SAP have responded yet

Russia has made a bold request for both Apple and SAP's source code to make sure that neither company's software contains any sort of spy tools
 
According to Reuters, the proposal was brought up last week when Communications Minister Nikolai Nikiforov met Peter Engrob Nielsen -- Apple's general manager in Russia -- and SAP's Russian managing director, Vyacheslav Orekhov.
 
Russia is asking for source code in order to ensure rights and privacy protections for consumers and corporate users. 


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While other world governments like Germany, China, Brazil and India are revising technology practices to prevent snooping -- mainly due to the U.S. National Security Agency's (NSA) spy programs that were revealed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden last year -- none have asked major tech companies for their source code. 
 
But Russia argues that Microsoft has had no problem sharing its source code for the Windows operating system and other products since 2003. Microsoft has shared its source code with Atlas, which is a technology institution that reports to the communications ministry.
 
Neither Apple nor SAP have responded to the requests yet, and it's unclear as to whether either will give in. 

Source: Reuters



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Yea right
By aurareturn on 7/30/2014 1:58:17 PM , Rating: 5
Let's give your most valuable asset away to a crazy country known for piracy.

Apple is worth over $500 billion. They can survive without Russia.




RE: Yea right
By tanjali on 7/30/14, Rating: -1
RE: Yea right
By retrospooty on 7/30/2014 2:35:52 PM , Rating: 4
I know... Can you imagine company giving thier source code away to a country that is known to house some of the worst Virus/Malware asshats in the world? This is like a pervy looking dood on the corner with an "Official Breast inspector" T-Shirt on offering to give free breasts exams.

Apples response should be: "Feel free not to buy it"


RE: Yea right
By Mitch101 on 7/30/2014 5:38:30 PM , Rating: 2
I have to wonder if this is somehow related to Snowden.

China with Microsoft and now Russia with Apple.


RE: Yea right
By FaaR on 7/31/2014 6:47:00 PM , Rating: 2
I'd suggest "Surely you jest" as a suitable response for ole Timmy Cooke to give Putler...

If they insist, he can then continue with, "I don't think so."


RE: Yea right
By michael67 on 7/30/2014 2:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
As if by reading a source code you can find if it has a backdoor?

Finding a hidden backdoor is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Good luck finding it, as even the update system can be used to install targeted attacks, if Apple is working tandem with the NSA.

And Apple maybe foolish enough to work with the NSA, German owned SAP would never do that, specially because SAP software is used for mission critical systems, and have very strict confidentiality agreements build in there contracts.

If it would be find out that SAP build a backdoor in there software, then they could close there doors, because not even Apple could cover the lawsuits that would follow if that would come out.


RE: Yea right
By NellyFromMA on 7/30/2014 3:55:34 PM , Rating: 5
It probably has more to do with building domestic products based on Apple and SAP offerings than backdoor exploitation, although I'm sure there's plenty of interest there as well.

Basically they are looking to do what China has started to do; cut off America as a supplier of software solutions and outright replace them with knock-offs.


RE: Yea right
By Etsp on 7/30/2014 4:28:55 PM , Rating: 2
FYI, "there" is usually meant to refer to a location, or can be used with the the noun "is" to indicate the existence of something.

"Their" is used to describe an noun belonging to a third party.

In your post, every instance of "there" should be "their", as in, "their contracts" and "their software" and "their doors".

Not trying to be a pedant, I don't know if English is your first language. Just hoping to educate a bit.


RE: Yea right
By OBLAMA2009 on 7/30/2014 5:30:28 PM , Rating: 1
thanks us gov for destroying america companies ability to sell technology overseas


RE: Yea right
By Penti on 7/30/2014 7:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
What assets? Most of the kernel and some user-land tools is open source already, Microsoft shares their code with any big client. Piracy has no bearing, you don't need any additional source access for that. You don't need source access to make clones of vital pieces either, as the API is known or can be deduced. Neither can you sell or distribute stolen products. As long as Russia can buy it on the market they have no need for clones. Even if they couldn't you can't stop Russians going abroad and returning with a MBP, even if you would deny everybody visas they could still just walk/drive across the border or use their foreign passports as there is no North/South Korea style DMZ between Russia and Europe, or central asia, or the far-east or that can stop their access to the sea. Apple probably has more to win by sharing their source, such as government contracts and so on.

Market cap doesn't reflect Apple's sales which was about 171 billion USD last year. Which is a lot smaller (revenue) than Shell and ExxonMobile. As well as some other conglomerates, including Samsung. Or companies like Volkswagen and Toyota for that matter. It's large (as retail often is, most of it's employees are retail staff) but barely on the top 20 in terms of revenue. They could easily afford to be without Russia in terms of stuff like smartphones any way, they are not terribly competitive there. But they would miss an growing market.


Do they share with anyone else?
By DanNeely on 7/30/2014 2:37:05 PM , Rating: 2
I know MS is reasonably willing to share its source code with 3rd parties willing to sign the appropriate NDAs. Do Apple or SAP do anything similar? I don't know anything about SAP's practices; but as historically secretive as Apple is, I wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to share large chunks of their code with anyone else under any terms.




RE: Do they share with anyone else?
By Nortel on 7/30/2014 4:43:08 PM , Rating: 5
NDA? HAHA, who is Apple going to sue if the freaking Russian government leaks the source code and/or produces their own competing products or sells it to a competitor?


By Milliamp on 8/1/2014 12:58:14 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, they could pretty much count on being able to sell their own compiled version to a handful of governments around the world as well.


RE: Do they share with anyone else?
By bug77 on 7/30/2014 4:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
SAP is German, so the Russians probably have their source code already.


RE: Do they share with anyone else?
By AngelOfTheAbyss on 7/30/2014 7:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
I spent a few seconds googling "apple open source code" and got https://www.opensource.apple.com/.
Just sayin'.


By DanNeely on 7/31/2014 8:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
How much of their platform does that actually consist of? There're very few closed source companies that don't have some OSS code of their own these days; and if that had everything Russia wanted to look at, they'd never have made the request in the first place.

Just scrolling down the list of what they offer, my first guess would be that it's mostly their forks/ports/etc of assorted *nix libraries and tools that they decided were good enough not to require re-inventing the wheel.


Tim Cook to Vladimir Putin...
By kilkennycat on 7/30/14, Rating: 0
"Mac OS X is like living in a farmhouse in the country with no locks, and Windows is living in a house with bars on the windows in the bad part of town." -- Charlie Miller














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