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Apple looks to give budget buyers a fresh model instead of previous year's leftovers

When it comes to "low-cost", entry-level iPhones, Apple usually prefers to discount previous generation models. For example, even though the iPhone 5 ($199 on contract) is Apple's current flagship smartphone, the company also offers the previous generation iPhone 4S ($99 on contract) and the even older iPhone 4 (free on contract) for budget shoppers.
 

Evidence continues to mount that Apple is looking to shake things up a bit with an all-new, low-cost entry to slot below its flagship iPhone model. China Labor Watch confirmed the new model in a 60-page report, and images of the phone in multiple colors were leaked to the internet.
 
Today, we have all-new high-resolution images of the purported iPhone 5C that show the smartphone’s rear shell and metal inner lining that the internal components attach to.

 
According to Mac Rumors, the new phone will launch alongside the next generation flagship iPhone next month.

Source: Mac Rumors



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Big hands?
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/7/2013 12:27:54 PM , Rating: 1
Or tiny phone?




RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 12:40:11 PM , Rating: 3
I am pretty sure its 4 inch with the same res as the iPhone 5... So yes, small by todays high end phones. Normal by iPhone users standards.

I think its a good move by Apple. Smart.


RE: Big hands?
By xti on 8/7/2013 3:39:48 PM , Rating: 2
seems like they are picking up on the concept of more sku's, more sales (obviously up to a point but they are far from it).

I wonder if samsung is going to reduce theirs...and then see their result.


RE: Big hands?
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/7/2013 1:00:07 PM , Rating: 5
Oh Look! A plastic case! Bwahahahaha!


RE: Big hands?
By amanojaku on 8/7/2013 1:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
People forget that the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G both had plastic cases. Funny thing is, no one complained about "plasticky" cases back then. Then the iPhone 4 comes out with metal and glass, and suddenly build quality is "important". Making a non-existent problem a key selling point: that's marketing at its finest.

Funny thing is, the plastic iPhones were just as expensive as the metal-and-glass; Apple's build cost only went up $10-$20. So why doesn't anyone else use metal and glass, other than HTC? Because glass cracks and metal scratches more easily than plastic. Very few iPhones are used without a case, hiding the metal-and-glass, so aesthetics are moot. The cases provide added protection against shock, something metal and glass does NOT do.

On a slightly related note, Apple has cut the price of the iPhone adapters in half in order to regain the sales of customers who switched to unapproved 3rd party power adapters (you have to turn the 3rd party adapter in to Apple). This comes in the wakes of one death and one comatose patient in China due to electrocution. Apple has nothing to do with the accidents; it's the price cut that I find interesting.

$20 for an adapter isn't expensive, but it is in relation to the $3.50 adapters you can buy elsewhere. Yes, Apple CAN make inexpensive products if it so chooses. It just did, by lowering the price of one to $10. And you know there's still profit in these sales. After all, the iPhone sells for 3x the build cost. Knocking $200 of the price would still return a profit of over $200 per unit, which is more than the build cost of $185. You'll find profit margins like this in most of Apple's products. A plastic iPhone doesn't lower costs much, and is unnecessary for any reason other than color: it's easier to dye plastic than metal or glass.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 1:43:45 PM , Rating: 3
" . Funny thing is, no one complained about "plasticky" cases back then. Then the iPhone 4 comes out with metal and glass, and suddenly build quality is "important". Making a non-existent problem a key selling point: that's marketing at its finest...... Because glass cracks and metal scratches more easily than plastic. "

Yup... There is alot of talk about build quality, but plastic can be done well too. You can look at Samsung's high end GS3, GS4 and Note2's for good examples of how NOT to do plastic. Samsung's plastic is cheap and slippery. There are many others well well built plastics.


RE: Big hands?
By GreyMulkin on 8/7/2013 5:11:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You can look at Samsung's high end GS3, GS4 and Note2's for good examples of how NOT to do plastic. Samsung's plastic is cheap and slippery.


False. Their plastics are of a very high quality and I was surprised when I first held one as the feel was superior to any other plastic I'd encountered.

I'd probably prefer carbon fiber, though.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 5:17:24 PM , Rating: 2
"False. Their plastics are of a very high quality and I was surprised when I first held one as the feel was superior to any other plastic I'd encountered."

In the other post, I did say it was a matter of opinion, but like I said, it's a pretty widely agreed upon opinion. I am talking high end here, not budget phones.


RE: Big hands?
By GulWestfale on 8/7/2013 9:36:29 PM , Rating: 2
i like the back cover of my note better than the slippery material used on the GS3/GS4. regardless of that though, a lot of people seem to forget that the back is not actually part of the phone's chassis, but merely a battery cover.
you can switch out a damaged one for a few bucks (ebay or amazon), and you can even switch different a completely different cover in if you want (search on ebay and amazon and you'll find not just different colors, but also metal back plates and carbon-look ones).
and then there's the extended covers you'll need for the extended batteries that apple users cannot buy ;)


RE: Big hands?
By BillyBatson on 8/8/2013 10:08:25 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, very true. Maybe you just don't know plastics well.


RE: Big hands?
By superflex on 8/7/13, Rating: 0
RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 2:48:45 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You must be clumsy or just another Samsung shill.


Was that necessary?

I happen to agree with him, because he's right. Plastic simply has better overall properties, from a materials standpoint, than Aluminum for use in mobile products. It can be molded, meaning much tighter tolerances than can be made for Aluminum. It expands and contracts less. It fares better at absorbing impacts. The list goes on.

I know, like obnoxious iPhone users, that you think you're a better person because your phone is wrapped in metal. Congratulations!

But this kind of tech-elitism is not what the Android crowd should be all about.


RE: Big hands?
By artemicion on 8/7/2013 3:06:24 PM , Rating: 2
Can you give your plastics vs. metals lecture to my wife, except replace metals with diamonds? I've been trying to convince her for years that, from a materials standpoint, there are plenty of alternatives to diamonds that are functionally equivalent and some that are nearly aesthetically equivalent.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 3:11:32 PM , Rating: 2
HEEHEH sure, I'll take a crack.

Does she know carbon is one of the most abundant elements in the Universe? And that diamonds have, literally, ZERO value aside from what we as humans decide it has? That they are, in fact, anything but rare. They are basically littering the planet.

See if that helps? Let me know how it goes :)


RE: Big hands?
By artemicion on 8/7/2013 3:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
I was being sarcastic -___-;
I am an admitted troll in Apple bashing threads. I just find it funny how tech junkies hate on Apple's design choices. Raise your hand if you spent extra $$ when you were a teenager to put gaudy blue LED lights on your PC rig or paid extra for a case with a transparent side.

/raisehand


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 3:45:32 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I just find it funny how tech junkies hate on Apple's design choices.


That's not what's happening.

The truth is Apple and it's loyalists have been so condescending, offensive, and downright obnoxious to everyone around them; be it through commercials, social media, and forums, that this cult-like following has engendered such widespread contempt and hate in the rest of us.

Apple has done nothing personally to me, and yet I genuinely hate them and those who profess the false superiority of their products.

Choose Apple products, by all means. I could care less about the "design choices". However that does not make it a better choice, and you are NOT a better person for choosing it.


RE: Big hands?
By Cloudie on 8/7/2013 4:05:31 PM , Rating: 2
Alright, fanboi, don't throw your toys out the pram too hard.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 4:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
"The truth is Apple and it's loyalists have been so condescending, offensive, and downright obnoxious to everyone around them; be it through commercials, social media, and forums, that this cult-like following has engendered such widespread contempt and hate in the rest of us."

Actually he is right there. Not necessarily about Samsung specifically, but Apple's competitors in general. The quote above is a very true statement. Of course not all Apple fans are obnoxious, but enough are to make the statement true and the condescension rolls downward starting right at the top.


RE: Big hands?
By artemicion on 8/7/2013 5:39:31 PM , Rating: 2
If I hated every company that made a condescending/offensive/obnoxious commercial and I hated every company that had customers who were condescending/offensive/obnoxious, I would hate every company in the world.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 7:28:31 PM , Rating: 4
I would say if you cant see a difference between most companies and Apple on this matter, then you are either not paying attention or are part of the problem.


RE: Big hands?
By half_duplex on 8/7/2013 4:30:12 PM , Rating: 2
The truth is, some Android users, including the fanboi army drafted and financed by Samsung themselves, started most of this.

I don't EVER recall any Apple commercials portraying Samsung customers as idiots/older people.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/8/2013 2:09:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The truth is, some Android users, including the fanboi army drafted and financed by Samsung themselves, started most of this.


Dude this "started" before there were even smartphones. Wtf have you been?

Samsung has nothing to do with my statement.


RE: Big hands?
By amanojaku on 8/7/2013 3:56:10 PM , Rating: 3
I love superflex's reply, as he/she makes arguments to points I never raised.

I never said glass-and-metal phones are prone to breaking; I simply said they are less durable than plastic. I don't like plastic, either, but I've seen many people drop their phones, and plastic survives more often than glass-and-metal. Not that my experience matters, because seasoned engineers raised this point long before I even understood it. Same thing with why rounded edges are so common, despite Apple's insistence that rounded edges are an aesthetic choice. The most durable phones are plastic, with rounded edges.

I also like how my comparison of glass-and-metal to plastic results in an accusation of being clumsy or shilling. I don't even own a smartphone, and don't want one. I've played with the iPhones, Galaxies, and various LG models. Not impressed with any of them. I don't want or need to surf the Internet on my phone, and I damn sure ain't "gaming" on a screen smaller than 40".
quote:
But this kind of tech-elitism is not what the Android crowd should be all about.
Which is one reason I like Android users more than iPhone users. iPhone users (and Apple product owners in general) have an annoying habit of shoving their devices in your face, insisting that you get one. Despite issues like antenna reception, yellowed displays, ghosting, cracking, unusual failure rates, etc... And you're an idiot or loser if you don't own an Apple device. My sister confirms all of this, having worked at the Apple store. The stuff I've heard...

Android users, while increasingly fanatical, almost never say anything unless you ask them. And they usually love their devices, probably because they never had the issues listed above.


RE: Big hands?
By superflex on 8/7/2013 4:53:11 PM , Rating: 3
Plastic is fine for a budget phone. The iPhone 5C or whatever it will be called is going to be marketed at kids who's parent are tired of their clumsy ways dropping their glass and metal iPhones.
I know my kids have both broken the screens on their 3GS's and 4's by being clumsy. They arent paying for the phone so they dont realize the value of the device.
A plastic iPhone is perfect for little Susie to take to cheerleading squad while still keeping up with the Kardashians.
Apple is going after the next segment in data collection. The under 12 crowd.


RE: Big hands?
By superflex on 8/7/13, Rating: 0
RE: Big hands?
By Keeir on 8/7/2013 9:38:50 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I happen to agree with him, because he's right. Plastic simply has better overall properties, from a materials standpoint, than Aluminum for use in mobile products. It can be molded, meaning much tighter tolerances than can be made for Aluminum. It expands and contracts less. It fares better at absorbing impacts. The list goes on.


Some of these statements are not true, some partly true, and some are fairly subjective.

1.) Molding/Casting always has less tolerances. Aluminum can be made with higher tolerances than any non fiber reinforced plastic. Plastic just shift too much post molding. In the type of tolerances required for mobile parts, plastics can be made to required tolerances at a lower cost typically than aluminum. Some of this cost is in materials, some in cheaper manufacturing.

2.) 6061-T651 (a pretty standard aluminum alloy has 13.1 microin/in per F termal expansion coefficient. ABS type plastics range from 16-86 microin/in in typical consumer grade products. What can be said is that plastics often have a higher specific heat content. This means that it takes longer for them to heat up and distort. Most consumer plastics though will break at much lower temperatures than most aluminums and will significantly distort at much lower temperatures.

3.) Again, most consumer plastics are not better at absorbing impacts. Where plastics typically "win" here would be to the greater edge thickness required due to the typically much less stiff material and poor molding techniques. With metal, the tempting this is to make it very thin or light. But there are forces like compression and shear than are more geometry depedant. This forces are typically involved in your standard impact senario.

A well constructed and designed aluminum/metal phone will outlast a well constructed and designed plastic phone. However, a poorly constructed and designed plastic phone will outlast a poorly contructred and designed aluminum/metal phone. Turns out (not a big surprize) that most phones are structurally very poor. The use of plastic vs. metal is less important than the overall construction methodology and/or assembly process.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Big hands?
By testerguy on 8/8/13, Rating: 0
RE: Big hands?
By testerguy on 8/8/2013 3:51:44 AM , Rating: 1
In fairness, usually it's retrospooty rather than you but to be honest you are both interchangeable - you're basically the same person.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 7:59:18 AM , Rating: 2
Coming from someone like you that is too unstable and impartial to have a simple conversation with this mean less than nothing.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 2:50:58 PM , Rating: 2
"plastic crapstatic phone"

LOL... That is a great tagline for Samsung phones.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 2:55:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
LOL... That is a great tagline for Samsung phones.


Man what is with you lately? You're turning into some kind of anti-Samsung troll.

Stop trying to look cool or whatever. We already have Tester, Tony, Takin and a few other idiots here to give us our daily recommended dose of Samsung bashing. We don't need you too.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 3:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
"Man what is with you lately? You're turning into some kind of anti-Samsung troll."

No but I will call it like I see it. There are some things I like about Samsung, I still have my GS3 (running CM10.1) but the bloatware and cheap plastics have to go... No other high end phones are as poorly built and no other high end phones have as much bloat. Some have some, but none as bad as Sambloat. It was bad on my GS3 when I got it, but went to CM and forgot about it until a month ago my wife got herself a Note2. Good god, the bloat is even worse now. It's crazy.

"Stop trying to look cool or whatever. We already have Tester, Tony, Takin "

LOL. If those guys are what is "looking cool" just kill me now. ;)

But seriously, you don't need to edit me. I look at todays high end phones, and I see everyone has raised their game with build quality and Samsung is still the same. You may like it, I don't and I wont say I will if I don't. It's not like something I made up, it's a pretty widely agreed upon notion that of the major brands, Sammy is the lowest build quality and the most bloat.

I call a terd a terd, and I don't care who laid it, and I wont blindly defend something I don't agree with. Samsung is catching up to Apple in its "terdery". Rather than be angry at me for posting it, I would respectfully suggest you look into it my friend.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 3:26:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No other high end phones are as poorly built


But that's factually incorrect. You speak as if Samsung phones are falling apart, screens falling out, the plastic cracking and chipping off for no reason ect ect.

Now you might think the plastic "feels" cheap, and that's your opinion. But I take issue with you saying this equates to poor build quality. That's just FUD.

quote:
Samsung is catching up to Apple in its "terdery"


AHAHAH! Okay anyway. I'll just chalk that up to you having an off day :)


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 3:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
"Now you might think the plastic "feels" cheap, and that's your opinion. "

Yes, I dont mean they are falling apart and poor quality from a "needs repair" standpoint, I mean build quality as far as feeling solid and well built... It is my opinion, but not just my opinion. Like I said, it's a pretty widely agreed upon opinion.

"AHAHAH! Okay anyway. I'll just chalk that up to you having an off day :)"

No, it's not a today thing. Look at the crap they have been pulling lately... They are not as bad as Apple and probably never will be, but they are certainly terding it up lately.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 3:38:11 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Look at the crap they have been pulling lately...


I guess Samsung is just supposed to sit there and let Apple win billion dollar lawsuit after lawsuit, and endure products bans, just so they can "look good" to people like you and me?

Apple started this crap, Samsung is just trying to play the game they were forced into.

quote:
Yes, I dont mean they are falling apart and poor quality from a "needs repair" standpoint, I mean build quality as far as feeling solid and well built...


Okay and that's fair.

And Samsung has taken this customer feedback to heart, unlike Apple. They have stated the Note III, and other lines, will have much better build materials.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 3:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
"They have stated the Note III, and other lines, will have much better build materials."

I had heard that... Hope its true.


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 3:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and I never thought about it in this angle until I read this, but Samsung has already made a GS4 for people like you who hate the GS4 lol.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/review-gala...

Diversity ftw! :P


RE: Big hands?
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/7/2013 4:09:23 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 5:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
I have seen it and plan to buy it as soon as its available on Verizon. Pretty close to perfect.


RE: Big hands?
By Monkey's Uncle on 8/8/2013 8:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm -- plastic ;)

No swappable batteries or SDCard expansion. I have 3 batteries that I swap in when needed and a 64GB SDCard to throw all my crap on (i.e. rom images, recoveries and other stuff that often generally gets wiped when I change ROMs have to un-brick the phone.)

Would not be so perfect for me.


RE: Big hands?
By half_duplex on 8/7/2013 4:13:13 PM , Rating: 2
You two are creeping this place out, could you lay off the :) and :P and take your bromance somewhere else?


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 5:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
U jealous bro? ;) :P =)


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/7/2013 5:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... Make it a Google play Active edition and sold!


RE: Big hands?
By testerguy on 8/8/2013 3:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I guess Samsung is just supposed to sit there and let Apple win billion dollar lawsuit after lawsuit, and endure products bans, just so they can "look good" to people like you and me? Apple started this crap, Samsung is just trying to play the game they were forced into.


Ohhhhh this suddenly all makes sense now!

Step 1 - Samsung infringes Apples design patents.
Step 2 - Apple sues Samsung for their infringement and gets awarded over $500m

So Apple clearly started it!

And after Apple started it, what choice did Samsung have other than to:

Step 1 - Seek bans of every iPhone and iPad over the past years, in many cases over patents which had already been licensed to Apple by Qualcomm, and eventually succeeding with the ITC with a ban over those which weren't.
Step 2 - The POTUS has to veto the decision because it's blatantly anti-competitive
Step 3 - Samsung responds by attempting to pay people to create fake posts on StackOverflow and other forums
Step 4 - Samsung is caught having created a 'benchmarkbooster' on their mobile phones.

But guys - give Samsung a break. What choice did they have but to carry out all of that unethical behaviour - I mean Apple started all of this when Samsung infringed their patents, they're just 'playing the game they were forced into'.

Ridiculous moron.


RE: Big hands?
By retrospooty on 8/8/2013 8:01:27 AM , Rating: 2
"Step 1 - Samsung infringes Apples design patents."

mmmmmmmmmmmm no.


RE: Big hands?
By testerguy on 8/9/2013 9:32:02 AM , Rating: 2
The legal system disagrees.

I wonder who gets to decide. Retrospooty, or the legal system.

Thankyou and goodnight.


RE: Big hands?
By MozeeToby on 8/7/2013 2:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
$20 for an adapter isn't expensive, but it is in relation to the $3.50 adapters you can buy elsewhere.
I'd pick a better example, considering a woman in China just got electrocuted when her cheap charger put 330V to the handset without warning. There are several sites that have tear downs of the cheap chargers and there is a very concerning lack of safety thought in their designs, things like less than 1mm of circuit board separating the unfused input and the output.


RE: Big hands?
By BillyBatson on 8/8/2013 10:10:49 AM , Rating: 2
The original iPhone was aluminum it wasn't plastic the only iPhone to be plastic was the 3g/3gs


RE: Big hands?
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2013 2:40:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah it's an iPhone. It's designed with tiny girls hands in mind. The only thing that isn't tiny is the markup lol.


RE: Big hands?
By testerguy on 8/8/2013 3:48:14 AM , Rating: 2
Someone's overcompensating.


RE: Big hands?
By GTVic on 8/7/2013 5:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
Or giant hand


Will hell freeze over?
By Gunbuster on 8/7/2013 4:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if this is going to hit at $150 off contract to tangle with the Lumia 520/521.

Doubt Apple would get that disruptive but it would be awesome to see them wreck the $700 phone market like that.




Obama iPhone
By AMDftw on 8/7/13, Rating: 0
RE: Obama iPhone
By choirbass on 8/8/2013 1:20:04 AM , Rating: 2
Are you just bored? lol


iPhone
By Eric1209 on 8/16/2013 1:29:06 AM , Rating: 2
Who's exited about the possibility of apple turning to plastic iPhone ?




iPhone
By Eric1209 on 8/16/2013 1:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
I don't really like the idea of a plastic iPhone




Race to the bottom now at apple?
By EnzoFX on 8/7/2013 2:03:35 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe, you can think of it this way, or diversifying. If you look at even Apple's products, they start offering options only when sales start dipping, which at this point, all manufacturers phone sales are dipping. I wouldn't be surprised to see more color options for iPhones. Even flagship ones. The smartphone's been done. It's the next thing that will again bring big margins.




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