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  (Source: Associated Press)
Some OEMs, however, still aren't seeing big demand for Microsoft's new touch-centric operating system

Back in November, Microsoft announced that it had sold 40 million Windows 8 licenses, outpacing the sales performance of its predecessor, Windows 7. Today, just over a month later, Microsoft announced that it has sold 60 million Windows 8 licenses (upgrades and licenses sold to OEMs), once again outpacing Windows 7. It took Windows 7 a little over three months to cross the 60 million licenses sold threshold.
While the large number of licenses sold is definitely good news, a recent report suggests that actual usage figures for Windows 8 are below that of Windows 7 at the same point in its release cycle and is actually tracking below that of the much-maligned Windows Vista operating system. Simply put, 60 million licenses sold doesn't mean that there are actually 60 million Windows 8 devices out there in the hands of consumers and business.
This backs up the assertion from some outlets and OEMs that Windows 8 sales have been rather "meh".
“There was not a huge spark in the market," said Emmanuel Fromont, head of Acer's American division. “It’s a slow start, there’s no question.” ASUS CFO David Chang stated, "Demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now." And Fujitsu's President added that Windows 8 demand was "weak".
On the app front, Microsoft announced that customers have downloaded over 100 million apps from the Windows Store.

Sources: Microsoft, AllThingsD

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Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By retrospooty on 1/8/2013 6:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
I feel like we are being sold a bill of goods.

"see, everyone's buying it"... I highly doubt it as most everyone I see hates it with a passion.

RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By Pirks on 1/9/13, Rating: -1
RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By retrospooty on 1/9/2013 7:16:07 AM , Rating: 3
As I have told you they tried. No takers. Moving on now, BB10 looks good, but comparing to the latest rounds of 1080p Androids with S4 pro and the iPyoon faithful they have a rough road ahead.

RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By Argon18 on 1/9/13, Rating: 0
RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By retrospooty on 1/9/2013 4:35:31 PM , Rating: 1
"There's a well deserved mental association in most folks minds, between the Microsoft name, and that slow crashy virusy PC on their desk at work. You know, the one that never seems to work right, and requires an entire IT department of geeks to keep it running."

I wouldn't call it well deserved. The reason MS has those issues, is because MS is the only company that took on the whole package. The entire world runs off MS computers, and servers including every manufacturing facility that makes every iPhone, Blackberry, Android and toilet seat covers for that matter. They support 10's of thousands of peripherals from hundreds and hundreds of different vendors, as well as the entire enterprise sector. No one else can do that, no one else is even close. No one else has even tried.

RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By Argon18 on 1/9/2013 4:55:19 PM , Rating: 2
You're confused if you think the "whole world" runs on Microsoft. Who told you that? The only place where Microsoft is the defacto standard is corporate business IT. You know, the generic corporate desktop for business email, spreadsheets, documents, etc.

No manufacturing facility anywhere runs Microsoft. None of them. They all run mainframes, and embedded devices (usually with a Linux kernel). Most 24/7 databases run on some flavor of unix, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, or Linux for example.

All 15 stock exchanges in the world run NSK on Tandem NonStop. 100% of all nuclear power generation in the US, and 80% of *all* power generation in the US also runs on NSK. Traffic lights for every intersection in the country runs on QNX, VXworks, or Abassi. The most secure military installations use OpenBSD and other BSD variants.

And lets not forget Mainframe. OS/360, AS/400, MPE, and other mainframes are a multi $Billion dollar market segment.

Heck, even the ancient OS/2 Warp operating system is still in active use, running thousands of ATM bank machines across the country, and also in retail POS systems.

The fact is, aside from the mundane corporate desktop, almost nothing runs on Microsoft.

By retrospooty on 1/9/2013 7:02:53 PM , Rating: 2
I dont think your getting me.

"No manufacturing facility anywhere runs Microsoft. None of them. They all run mainframes, and embedded devices (usually with a Linux kernel). Most 24/7 databases run on some flavor of unix, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, or Linux for example."

Yes they do, all of them. I come from a supply chain background, beleive me, I know. It's not that there arent databases and some servers on those OS's, but how are hte users connecting to it? Using MS computers. And yes, the business standard is MS Exchange running on MS servers. More work is done via email than any other medium. The other thing is apps. In all of those manufacturing plants, every step of the process is done on MS software. From planning, to procurement to imbound logistics, to inventory to shop floor, to QA to packaging to logistics to reverse logistics to accounting. All running on Windows. The above is true for most companies on Earth including the Foxconn facilities that Make Apple products.

RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By brotherbob1 on 1/9/2013 11:47:12 PM , Rating: 2
If i remember right tse n nyse are using windows server not *nix ,I remember a news story on the switch from daily tech/anandtech like a decade ago,Air traffic control runs on windows in the usa,If you remember the computer crash story on daily tech few years ago in la airport.So nothing runs old windows/ms products in the big side of biz is kinda a lie.

By retrospooty on 1/10/2013 7:22:48 AM , Rating: 2
Yup... When I say the whole world runs of Microsoft I'm not speaking literally of course. What that means is that the majority of business does run off of Microsoft in 1 form or another every company uses them. They are by far the dominant force in the enterprise market as well as the PC market. No 1 has ever done what they do. Of course there are other parties Linux, Unix, Sun, Oracle and mainframes too, and a lot of companies use them but it's only part of the picture. Microsoft is the only 1 that does the whole package, and they are firmly entrenched in that.

Let me put it another way... If hypothetically, a single company were to close its doors and disable all of their products like Apple, Oracle, Google, Sun micro, UNIX, any Linux based house, SAP, or any the number of other companies. If one of them we're too close their doors and suddenly deactivated all products, life will go on on... Some customer/companies would stumble and have to figure out another solution, and some would lose money for it. Some might even go out of business... But if MS were to close up and all products deactivated, the entire world's economy would come to a grinding halt. It would literally be the end of the world as we know it. No other company can say that

By InsGadget on 1/9/2013 5:58:38 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone? Everyone in the world EVER?!?!

By xti on 1/9/2013 10:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
I know 4 people so it must be true!!!

RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By jcherrybon on 1/9/13, Rating: -1
RE: Why does MS keep "announcing" sales #'s?
By Luticus on 1/9/13, Rating: 0
By Argon18 on 1/9/2013 4:21:48 PM , Rating: 4
Unfortunately no, it isn't better than its competition, or even the prior versions of itself. Add the useless clumsy GUI, and you've got one real turd of an OS.

By HackSacken on 1/9/2013 11:45:58 AM , Rating: 2
I couldn't agree with you more, and well said. Not sure how this isn't a 5.

maybe OEMs need their own commercials?
By kleinma on 1/8/2013 5:46:47 PM , Rating: 2
I have not seen a single windows 8 commercial outside of Microsoft's own advertising. Maybe some of these OEMs should get creative and showcase their products in a way that they think will help sell them?

I have been less than impressed with Microsoft's ad campaigns for a long time now.

RE: maybe OEMs need their own commercials?
By TakinYourPoints on 1/8/2013 6:55:11 PM , Rating: 4
Selling 10" tablets for $600-$1000 when they used to sell boatloads of $300-$600 laptops and netbooks is not an appealing prospect for OEMs.

They're in a tough spot because they're being coerced by Microsoft (with a touchscreen OS) and now Intel (for Ultrabook branding you must have touchscreens) to selling more expensive hardware that will not sell as well as their older and cheaper products did, at least not until prices come down over the next several years.

Maybe its just growing pains, but right now their world is being thrown upside down. Negative reception of Win8 by many users and the press certainly doesn't help things either.

RE: maybe OEMs need their own commercials?
By crazyboy1 on 1/9/2013 12:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
People buy iPads (32Gb starting price is $600), and its just a tablet which can only run apps. It is pretty normal for a slim full-experienced computer to be sold $600-1000, you can do so much more than a simple tablet and install real software and do productivity, gaming, and whatever you want.
I think price of $600-1000 is normal/expected for what they are selling.

By TakinYourPoints on 1/10/2013 6:43:34 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad market is a different one from the low-cost PC market. Many people who would buy low-cost PCs wouldn't buy an iPad, and those same people are going to reject more expensive touchscreen PCs.

The issue for Microsoft is that Windows 7 rode the back of cheap PCs, and now here's Windows 8 which is in many ways designed for hardware that costs about twice as much.

By Sazabi19 on 1/9/2013 8:11:38 AM , Rating: 1
I don't really think it matters. It's not the hardware that is bothering people and putting them off, it's the OS. Just last night I put 7 back on my machine after using 8 since RT. Bought a license for 8 for $40, decided that was an ok price to try it. Now I have a spare OS if I ever need it. I do miss the faster start/shutdown speeds but that is honestly it. Didn't use any of the other features that I was aware of so it wasn't that big of a deal to me. Installed Windows 8 Start Menu a few weeks after I installed it and that helped out. Hated Metro, no Aero, going back to that idiotic start screen when I wanted to do other things. You get used to the way it runs and where the menus and everything else are, but I didn't like it after several months use. Hopefully the sales bomb and MS realizes they messed up and will rethink their next iteration. If the next is like 8 I may be on 7 for a while which is sad, I've had every OS since XP (not a lot I know) and was always an early adopter, I like Vista much more than 8, then and now.

Heavy Discounts
By jt63 on 1/8/2013 7:45:20 PM , Rating: 5
During the holidays, Newegg was selling the Win 8 Pro upgrade for $30 after rebate. When was the last time you saw the Pro version of a Windows upgrade priced that low? I'm talking without needing to by a PC first. It seemed like Newegg wanted those things gone at any price.

RE: Heavy Discounts
By vapore0n on 1/9/2013 7:51:09 AM , Rating: 3
More like, whoever is paying for that rebate wants them sold.

Hey, its an easy way to sell and claim numbers.

RE: Heavy Discounts
By Sazabi19 on 1/9/2013 8:18:10 AM , Rating: 2
And this is exactly why so many were sold outside of OEMs. Hell even I looked at it went... well, $40 to see if it's any good and have a fully legal OS on standby... Sure! Had this have been the normal $200-$400 there would have been no way in hell I would have gotten one, and I think many others share that view. If 7 ultimate x64 was only $40 I would buy another one of those right now. I already have XP Pro, XP Pro x64, Vista Business, Vista Ultimate, 7 Ultimate, and 8 Pro. The XPs aren't on my machines anymore, my brother is using my Vista Ultimate, and I just rolled from 8 back to 7; One of my better decisions.

Sold <> In Use
By HoosierEngineer5 on 1/9/2013 8:25:19 AM , Rating: 2
I have three copies of Windows 7 I never installed. Forced to use it at work, waiting for Microsoft to get the stability up to the level of XP.

Seems Microsoft forgot the First Law of Retailing; give the customer what they want.

RE: Sold <> In Use
By jcherrybon on 1/9/2013 11:31:38 AM , Rating: 4
Windows 7 was at the stability of Windows XP a long time ago. Windows 8 is there as well, if not better.

People will cling to Windows XP forever, apparently.

RE: Sold <> In Use
By wordsworm on 1/11/2013 4:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say Windows 8 is the first OS MS has made that is actually better than XP. Windows 7 was basically Windows XP, but updated properly and with the perks of Vista. Anyone who gives me a slow PC is at risk of getting the W8 upgrade. $40 for a like-new PC that's better than it was when it was new.

The problem is that most folks on the net writing articles about it haven't really done their homework. I'd like to see some real studies comparing boot times and "response" heuristic tests. But no one has done them: Not even Anandtech or Tom Shardware. I still can't believe people haven't figured out for themselves how amazing W8 is.

RE: Sold <> In Use
By Ammohunt on 1/9/2013 1:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
You are kidding right? you still running CP/M somewhere waiting for DOS to be as stable? Let me let you in on a little secret Windows 7 is the most stable OS Microsoft has ever produced. Matter of fact its the best OS Microsoft has ever produced.

You have to see this
By Tony Swash on 1/8/2013 6:48:47 PM , Rating: 2

This was definitely the CES Keynote that Hunter S Thomson should have covered.

We were somewhere around Ballmer on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should tweet…" And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge phablets, all swooping and screeching and diving around the keynote, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to dark end of CES. And a voice was screaming: "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn devices?"

I wish I had been there. Stoned.

RE: You have to see this
By Brandon Hill on 1/8/2013 6:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
LMFAO!!!!! I was at Sony, so I missed it. Wow, that looks sooooo much more awesome :)

RE: You have to see this
By retrospooty on 1/9/2013 7:21:23 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... Should I tell him about the sales #'s? No, the poor bastard'll see them soon enough.

Tony, your pretty damn cool when you get your head out of the iCloud. ;)

again contradictory numbers
By superPC on 1/8/2013 7:00:38 PM , Rating: 2
Again what MS is saying contradict what OEM are saying.

I think metro is the worst UI in windows history. But metro is not about me. Vast majority of people who think win 8 UI is horrific are all power user or heavy user like you and I. I hate win 8 ui when i have a lot of stuff to do. Having brought up start screen that obscured all that i'm working on just to launched something to support what i'm working on is jarring & uncomfortable. Having stuff that has to run full screen, half screen, 1/3 screen or 2/3 screen is highly limiting (i'm talking about metro apps obviously).

Then I gave an Iconia w510 to my parents & they loved it. They got to do the stuff they usually does with a better interface and more mobile device. Than i realize it's more fun to use start screen and metro apps for fun stuff.

Win 8 UI is awesome for a majority of regular jane and joes. The only problem is pricing. It's priced way to high. Wait a while when we have Haselwell and Silvermont/ValleyView with better performance and better power consumption. At that time maybe dell, acer, hp, lenovo, toshiba, sony, and all the other would realize that just because it has a touchscreen doesn't mean it can be sold at ipad level of pricing, even if it has better performance and power consumption.

PC is always about quantity over pricing. If last year anyone can buy core i3 laptop at ipad price than it should also be true this year even if the i3 has a touchscreen and win 8. The sooner they realize that, the better it is for them.

And 100 million windows 8 apps downloaded in 2 months is awesome. Apple appstore just past 40 billion download but that takes 5 years (from the first iphone sold). Windows 8 apps are well on their way there i think

RE: again contradictory numbers
By Luticus on 1/9/2013 11:30:08 AM , Rating: 1
But metro is not about me. Vast majority of people who think win 8 UI is horrific are all power user or heavy user like you and I. I hate win 8 ui when i have a lot of stuff to do.

Speak for yourself; I use Windows 8 primarily on a desktop driven by mouse and keyboard. I also have a Windows 8 tablet that I sometimes use. Personally I like windows 8 better on a desktop and less on a tablet. Multi-tasking is as easy as it ever was in Windows 7 as I use the start screen as nothing more than a quick start menu. Press Windows key, type what I want, press enter. That's pretty much EXACTLY how I used Windows 7. I never dig through the "all programs" menu. I instead pin things I use most frequently to my taskbar and anything else want quick access to but don't want to have to see all the time to my start menu. How has that changed? You actually bothered to dig through "all programs" all the time? Really? Ewww..

RE: again contradictory numbers
By Luticus on 1/9/2013 11:34:29 AM , Rating: 2
Hummm, probably should have read a bit more thoroughly before commenting... that's what I get for posting from a phone I suppose. Kind of wishing for a delete button. My apologies, I meant no offense.

By nangryo on 1/8/2013 10:10:34 PM , Rating: 3
upgrades and licenses sold to OEMs

those 60 million licenses IS what Microsoft sold to OEMs under contract like usual. But, in the real market, there still a handful of real user who bought them from the OEM (with the hardware they are installed of course. That makes those license ends up still on OEM inventory, hence makes the contradictory between the real number of licenses goes to the end user and between the one Microsoft sold to OEMs

By mcnabney on 1/9/2013 10:40:29 AM , Rating: 2

I'm sure MS offered OEMs hefty discounts if they bought 3,6,9, or even 12 months worth of OS licenses up front. All to con the ignorant twits. If they sold THAT many, it must be good.

Sad to say I account for a couple licenses
By kmartshopper on 1/8/2013 11:59:31 PM , Rating: 2
When I get time I'm putting Windows 7 back on this laptop. It flies with Windows 7 installed, but with Windows 8 it's literally a snail at times. Bootup is slow, waking from sleep is slow, and Metro is resource-hungry.

There's honestly nothing of genuine interest to me about Windows 8, and I can't avoid the constant nagging subtleties of the system that in all make it feel slower and less user-friendly than it's predecessor.

The desktop is the true hub of the OS, even when trying to use Metro as intended. Programs shoot you to the desktop constantly, making you wonder why the Metro interface even exists besides to torment and make it's users suffer.

I'm a power user, but I can't even vouch for this OS for casual users.

By InsGadget on 1/9/2013 6:07:26 AM , Rating: 1
My experience upgrading my Win7 laptop to Win8 has been exactly the opposite. There's almost nothing I dislike about Win8, and the upgrade experience has been the smoothest yet. No compatibility issues, and once I realized the Metro screen was really just a glorified start menu, things became a lot easier.

To each their own.

By jcherrybon on 1/9/2013 11:28:26 AM , Rating: 2
I also had the exact opposite experience. Windows 8 boots up way faster than windows 7 and the difference is more pronounced on older hardware. It is as fast or faster than windows 7 at every single task I've used it for.

I think your issue is that you are trying to use the metro apps. Those are for tablet devices. Use normal apps and you won't have to go full screen to use an app and then go back to the desktop to interact with the desktop. You know, exactly like windows 7.

Microsoft did a poor job of educating users on the metro interface (for tablets) vs the desktop interface. That's probably the biggest mistake they made with Windows 8 and is what turns people off.

I honestly see no compelling reason to stay with windows 7 over windows 8 but definitely see (and have experienced) benefits going to windows 8.

Apps downloaded is a better measure of success
By cannonac on 1/9/2013 5:15:05 AM , Rating: 2
60 million licenses sold and 100million downloads from the App store.

That works out at less than 2 apps per license.

If you think that, on average, a Google handset/tablet has at least 20 apps downloaded to it (finger in the air figure, so it could be far higher), that means that only 5 million devices have been sold.

Admitedly, I'm assuming that a Windows 8 user is going to download the same sort of apps and at the same rate as an Android user, but apps downloads is going to be a fair indicator to the actual devices in use.

Maybe we could have a survey to find out how many apps people have downloaded to their devices and include iOS, Android and Windows?

By Luticus on 1/9/2013 11:18:30 AM , Rating: 2
but apps downloads is going to be a fair indicator to the actual devices in use

No it won't because there's many more desktop apps that are much better than apps in the "app store" which people already own. I have windows 8 on several devices from a twin 6 core Xeon with 32 GB of RAM all the way down to an old Acer Icona W500 tablet that I upgraded. I can tell you one thing, over 95% of the “apps” I use every day are on the desktop and I pretty much only use Skype and Netflix “Metro” apps on a regular basis. I've MAYBE downloaded 20 apps because 90% of the Metro apps either generally suck or I have a desktop app which is far better that I already own. Of all the apps that I've downloaded on Windows 8, I have yet to pay for a single one. Most of them are tested and then promptly removed. To be fair, I have only ever paid for one "app" since the advent of the smart phone: Tasker for Android. The only app worth paying for, ever, hands down! On Android I have downloaded several apps, 90% of them also get removed as quickly as they are installed. Because I have no alternative (Android doesn't have "desktop apps") I have to rely on often crappy sub-standard "apps" to get what I need done. Don't get me wrong, Android, Windows 8, and even IOS has some great apps out there. Despite what people are saying the ecosystems are very similar: a few winners, a whole LOT of losers!

just a thought
By NellyFromMA on 1/9/2013 6:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
Food for thought if you will... I often see on DT this reference that windows 8 adoption is lower than Vista.

I wonder if its possible because many people feel little reason to upgrade to Windows 8. They already have the best selling desktop operating system. Also, is that a percentage being referenced? If so, how many more PCs have to be upgraded with Windows 8 to meet the percentage you are comparing to when referencing Vista's adoption rate? If it's a larger pool then by nature its harder to claim the same percentage.

RE: just a thought
By km4c on 1/9/2013 9:24:49 PM , Rating: 2
I think that is the case. I really like Windows 8 on my new PC that I built, but I am not upgrading my old system that runs Windows 7 that I gave to my 10 year old son, or the system before that I gave to my wife that is running windows vista, or my old laptop that is running windows Xp. Because they all still run fine. They will all run almost any app that I need to run on them. So get Windows 8 if you are getting a new PC, but I see no need to upgrade Windows 7. Probably should upgrade the Vista machine, but It still runs great. Will wait for it to go caput, and then get my wife a new PC with Win 8.

By johnsmith9875 on 1/10/2013 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 3
One way to inflate sales figures is for Microsoft to automatically count Software Assurance holders as being Windows 8 users, since they're eligible for the free upgrade as part of their licensing.
The truth of course is adoption among businesses is almost nil, but technically its still a sale. They can have Windows 8 any time they want, just login and hit the website and download the ISO.

By max_payne on 1/8/2013 9:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
Surprisingly MS has not stop its free W8 Pro "pirate" give away program. For those who knows, you can still get those free licences, as much as you like in fact. I guess that account for some of this increase ....

By mshimohi on 1/9/2013 3:45:07 AM , Rating: 2
May be it's too naive to believe that license sold equals number of users using it. It might be sold to OEM, but not yet sold to end user who agrees licence terms and pays license fees. Also it' not clear whether how much is upgrade and how much is new installation.
I believe mass-media should investigate internal insight of the numbers MS released.
Anyway, I hate Windows8 and there are nothing interested in Windows8, nobody around me use it, I'll skip it, ignore it.

By Argon18 on 1/9/2013 11:31:43 AM , Rating: 2
Why does every photo of Steve Ballmer have him in some grizzled disfigured pose, looking like Gollum or Voldemort? I'm not buying computer software from someone who looks like that!!

You all are killing me...
By 3DPro on 1/9/2013 1:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
After spending an hour consuming every post in this thread thus far, I must admit, I am somewhat shocked that both supporters and haters seem to be missing the ultimate point of Windows 8.

UI Innovation.

Let me explain. Ever since moving from CLI based paradigms to the GUI paradigm (the genesis of which was predicated on how children learn – hand-eye coordination, rather than command languages via CLI interfaces) in the early 70s (although first introduced in the mid-60s), GUIs have remained, for all intents and purposes, virtually identical to their original feature/usage offerings.

Think about that for a moment… the computer industry has not truly innovated in the UI/UX interface space, to any significant degree beyond the original GUI premise, in over 50 years! That is staggering when one considers the advancements in CPUs, GPUs, RAM, VRAM, motherboard bandwidth, hard drive capacity/spindle performance, SSDs and display resolution/bit-depth/scanning frequencies. Everything I just mentioned has gone through unbelievable advancements, however advancements within the UI/UX have remained virtually stagnant.

Windows 8 is all about the paradigm shift that is currently taking place in the UI/UX field, specifically, the introduction of Natural User Interfaces (NUIs). In other words, think UIs/UXs introduced via science fiction movies (such as Minority Report (2002) and The Matrix Reloaded (2003) – are the first that come to mind).

Can you, for a moment, imagine Tom Cruise’s character squinting to look for the “X” close button interface element, or looking for that 50x50 pixel static icon to launch another program? It is borderline hilarious to even imagine in one’s imagination how incredibly “disappointing” (for lack of better vernacular) that would have been! No, he did not do that at all, he simply “swiped away” the information/program he was finished consuming… naturally.

Think of the traffic controller at Zion, in the docking sequence, as she directed the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar; she was using columns and rows of little 50x50 pixel, static icons? Nay… oh, then she was using a mouse? Nay… her UI/UX was completely NUI based.

With those two examples in your mind, imagine, if you can, a current Google/Android UI/UX… or a current iPhone/iPad/iOS UI/UX… do any of those remotely resemble the UI/UX depicted in the above two examples?

Now consider the UI/UX of Windows Phone 8/Windows RT/Windows 8/XBOX 360… do any of those resemble the UI/UX depicted in the above two examples?

I petition that, for the first time in Microsoft’s history, they are actually innovating; not advancing via acquisition of other companies or copying/mimicking other competitors offerings. The pathetic rows and columns of static, lifeless (dumb) icons contained within Android/iOS UIs/UXs are as dated as the UIs/UXs of the 50s, equally laughable and pathetic when comparing them to the unified UI/UX of the Microsoft stack.

Consider for a moment that Microsoft is so far out in front of the next evolution of human to computer interfaces offered via the next wave of NUI paradigms, that, Google/Apple will be playing catch-up for at least the next 3 to 4 years; especially with an offering that is unified across the entire spectrum of computing devices.

In other words, step back for a moment and breathe… I for one am so ready to interface with my computing devices in a way previously only offered in film. It is just my .02 worth (and I am confident many of you will believe that is all it is worth *Grin*), but I believe Microsoft is far closer to offering such a NUI paradigm, as evidenced by their complete OS stack, than anyone else in the world currently are.

Baby steps, Padawans… baby steps (if Android/iOS have anything to say about it). Perhaps it is, “One giant step for mankind”, if Microsoft have anything to say about it…

By stm1185 on 1/9/2013 4:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
I do 3D image work, Zbrush, Maya, Photoshop, and a lot gaming. I use 2 DEll 2713 monitors, and I love Windows 8.


Because the Desktop UI is better, it is cleaner, it presents information better. File transfer dialog is AWESOME! The task manager is a masterpiece. The clean hard edged windows, first time since XP! Getting work done in 8 is more effective then 7 with the explorer update.

It runs smoother, it boots quicker, after spending the $5 on Stardocks Start button replacement, it allows me to work as I did in Win7. I never see or use the Start Screen. You don't have too. $5 at Stardock sends it to hell.

It's an upgrade well worth the $45 price point.

Lies...Lies and ...
By TheJian on 1/10/2013 7:29:58 AM , Rating: 2
If this was true market share wouldn't show 1.7%...Besides that, a lic sold doesn't mean you're running it. Almost purchased a copy of win8 myself just for the future. But then used it and decided it would never be dominant. On top of that it was easily discerned business would ignore this OS. Finally, the leak of Win9 info for 2013 or whatever they call it means they realize the blunder and this OS will be pointless in less than a year or so. Even if win9 is late it will be 2014.

No matter what they do, they have to change the name and offer something else to get sales back up. They will never convince all the people who currently have already formed their opinion on win8 that it's fixed. This forces a new name and release. It's extremely difficult to recover from the amount of bad press a product has in the wild like the amount of hate on win8. It's not just users, companies like Valve are spewing hate. Companies like Dell/HP are blaming win8 for poor sales. You can't fix comments like that in the wild. The entire world has read this stuff. You're not going to convince users on a mass scale that all of these companies are fools. They are all huge names. Gamers know Valve (probably even who Gabe Newell is), and everyone knows who HP/Dell are. That press doesn't just blow away, even if they returned start menu etc and disabled the metro ui they'd have issues getting the message across. This is the risk you take when you force something people don't want. News gets out (if you can't stop it) and everybody runs for life (as in their entire life...LOL). They won't come back.

Most people that know how, buy a PC with this and downgrade shortly after or the numbers would be higher on market share & sales, not just sales (and I don't even believe that). Business lics are installing win7 seconds after the pc gets in the door via image. It takes minutes. They claim a sale for every copy on a PC, but business reverts easily. This is all just a bunch of lies. Home users have stopped buying (the 20% of the market or so) and business just rolls out 7/xp. Thus market share sucks. Rightly, the people checking market share check the numbers IN USE. Not the number MS says they SOLD.

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