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Price is sweet as well, even if it only has 720p and is a bit underpowered in terms of memory and processor

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) has gone to great lengths to push its smartphone platform in the world's largest smartphone market, China.  The company has offered up its smartphone platform for free to OEMs, making it an even cheaper option than Android (when intellectual property licensing is considered).  
 
And it's even stood by the Nokia X effort -- a Windows Phone-esque reskin of Android – in an effort that begrudgingly acknowledges developing markets' perhaps pragmatic penchant for piracy, while trying to pitch Windows Phone to those who have the money to pay.
 
It looks like these efforts may finally be starting to pay off as we've seen an increased pace of Windows Phone announcements from Chinese OEMs.  The latest is the Hisense Electric Comp., Ltd.'s (SHE:600060) MIRA6.

MIRA 6

Slated for a July release, this budget smartphone has not been officially priced yet, but is expected to be among the most affordable midrange Windows Phones to date -- likely cracking the $200 USD mark.  China Telecom, China’s third largest mobile provider, will carry it.


The phone packs a modest spec:

  • Body
    • Metal unibody
    • 7.1 mm thick
  • Hardware
    • Display
      • 5 inches
      • 1280 x 720 (HD)
    • 1.2 GHz Quad Core Snapdragon 200 (MSM8612)
    • 1GB of DRAM
    • Storage
      • 8GB of NAND (internal)
      • microSD
    • Cameras
      • rear: 8MP w/ OIS
      • front: 5MP
    • Cellular
      • Dual Sim
      • GSM
      • CDMA
      • CDMA2000 4G LTE
The new device will feature Windows Phone 8.1.

It should be interesting to see if Windows Phone gains traction in China as it did in India, with Windows Phones now hitting lower Android-like price points.

Sources: Live Sino, via GSM Arena, via Neowin





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Just fine for the price
By Gungel on 6/27/2014 1:51:48 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
is a bit underpowered in terms of memory and processor

I don't think it is. I have a Lumia 520 which has half the memory and performance and it runs just fine with WP8 or 8.1.




RE: Just fine for the price
By karimtemple on 6/27/2014 2:13:52 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed. When you consider a price of $200 off-contract, the specs are essentially what you'd expect. I'd use the word "adequate," I think.


RE: Just fine for the price
By GulWestfale on 6/27/2014 5:40:25 PM , Rating: 5
better specs than an iphone 5 and a metal body and it's below priced 200 bucks? where's the catch? oh, it runs windows... but that's better than iOS, too.


RE: Just fine for the price
By StevoLincolnite on 6/27/2014 6:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
The difference between this and the lumia 520 though is this phone has double the Ram, so unlike the lumia 520 it can run *every* app on the Windows Phone store.

Specs wise, Windows Phone can get away with slower hardware, it doesn't bog down like Android over time with tons of apps chewing processing time and battery life in the background.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 3:02:03 PM , Rating: 4
have you used a windows phone 512MB device? They feel just fine to me. The 520 actually has a pretty overpowered GPU considered its screen and the fact that games are usually held back by its RAM limitations rather than by the GPU. The CPU is just fine. It could be a bit faster, but, it is fast enough given the price and the usage case it is aimed at.

My phone experience are:
4 (iOS5 jailbroken, than iOS 7 (only used for a few days after "upgrading" to 7, it sits as a 2nd backup now)
Some Cheapo LG with 512MB single core. (took apart)
Some low-end HTC with 1GB and quad core A7
Nokia 521 (GPS/mapping/music)
Nokia 920 (backup)
Nokia 1020 (main)
Moto G (for playing with near-stock Android)

I find very little difference using the 521 versus the 1020... some things are a little slower... many games don't run (note: I don't play games on phones). The screen is shit, but, for the $50 I got it for, it has blown the cheapo HTC and LG phone. The Moto G was $100, and, I would advise anyone looking for a cheap phone go for that over a 520/521.

I used all of these phones as my main phone (for at least a month) excluding the HTC (I was going to borrow it for ~1.5 months from a friend, but, the terrible experience led me to buying 920 for ~300 USD) and the Moto G (got Verizon one for $100, Verizon is not my provider, I really just wanted to see Android without all the bloat)


RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 3:06:39 PM , Rating: 5
How would you know? Have you ever even used a Lumia 520 for any length of time to respond with such drivel? I owned a 520 for 6 months as a stop-gap phone. Of course, it must be difficult for you to fathom that the device can perform so well with such low end hardware, but it's an absolute face that the 520 can handle a lot more than just lightweight email and web browsing.

The Windows Phone OS is very lightweight and performance optimised. It might be underpowered for the Android OS, but it performs perfectly fine using Windows Phone.


RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 3:08:07 PM , Rating: 2
Fact, sorry, not face.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 3:35:00 PM , Rating: 5
Nobody is comparing the 520 with a top spec device, well at least I'm not. I'm not excusing its flaws. It has its share of them. But performance issues are not one of them. I've not mentioned benchmarks as that is completely irrelevant to the demographic of this device. Its real world performance is what I'm referring to.

It is a solid performing device which runs the most common applications and even some games such as Halo: Spartan Assault with ease. Why is that SO difficult for you to understand?


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 3:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No it's underpowered PERIOD. It's a low end phone. Even if Windows Phone was a 100% efficient OS, it would still lose to better phones due to hardware alone.

Nobody said that. Those were YOUR words. The OP simply stated that low end Windows Phone devices run "fine." Why are you trying to compare benchmarks with high end phones? What is this accomplishing?


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 3:56:15 PM , Rating: 5
No, underperforming means that it is not keeping up with what is expected of it. For a phone, that would be defined by being able to run the phone OS and apps smoothly and responsively. The Lumia 520 is able to do this, therefore it is not an underperforming phone.

Low End != Underperforming

quote:
Who cares if you think it's "fine"?

Because if it's "fine" then it's by definition not underperforming.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 4:13:19 PM , Rating: 4
No one has a problem with that. It is you that has the problem. You are unable to fathom that an underpowered device is not necessarily an underperforming device.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 4:20:05 PM , Rating: 2
That's fair enough. However where has anyone ever stated that this device can run an application or perform a task that it in fact can't?


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:26:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The author simply stated a fact. The Lumia 520's are underpowered. By any objective standard, they are.

No, by OBJECTIVE standard, they are not, only by SUBJECTIVE standard of comparing it to a high end phone are they so.

quote:
When put through the paces, the 520 just cannot keep up. Hell there are some games it can't even RUN due to the memory issue!

Underpowered doesn't mean that you can arbitrarily define the baseline as something faster. The baseline is user expectation. In this case the phone is low end, and thus expected to have low memory, a small resolution screen, and less processing power than the high end phones.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:53:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So if I made a car with 50hp, as long as the user is fine with it and it does what he needs it to do, an automotive journalist would be wrong in using "underpowered" to describe it?

I'm not a car guy so I don't really know what 50hp translates to, but if performs as expected on the roads, then no, it's not underpowered. It would only be underpowered if it couldn't keep up with the speed limits or accelerated so slowly that it actually built up traffic, etc etc.


RE: Just fine for the price
By StevoLincolnite on 6/28/2014 1:26:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yes believing that computer hardware can be more than the sum of it's parts is the ultimate sign of bias. When put through the paces, the 520 just cannot keep up. Hell there are some games it can't even RUN due to the memory issue!


Go buy an Android phone with 512Mb of Ram and go buy a Windows Phone with 512mb of Ram.

I can guarantee you that you will be running towards the Windows Phone every single time, it is a far more pleasing experience on more anemic pieces of hardware.

As for the Ram issue specifically... There are usually patched/lite/downgraded versions of games to run on 512mb devices. (I.E. Like Halo: Spartan Assault.)
And they indeed run fluidly.


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:22:10 PM , Rating: 3
It's not underpowered either. Underpowered, by definition, means that it has insufficient ability to do something.

I cannot speak for Android, but I can for Windows Phone, since I've used such low end devices. By that definition, they are not underpowered. They meet my expectations, which is to be smooth and responsive at 60Hz and load apps in a reasonable amount of time (usually < 1 second)


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 4:28:45 PM , Rating: 1
No point talking to someone this biased.

There is NO WAY I would try to claim an Android device with those specs isn't underpowered. And you guys say I'm being the fanboi?

You're basically saying the phone isn't underpowered because the UI is smooth and responsive..that's just...that's so flawed at a fundamental level it's not even funny.

You're comparing apples to grapes...


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:42:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There is NO WAY I would try to claim an Android device with those specs isn't underpowered. And you guys say I'm being the fanboi?

"You're lying" - great counter argument

quote:
You're basically saying the phone isn't underpowered because the UI is smooth and responsive..that's just...that's so flawed at a fundamental level it's not even funny.

That is the expectations from a phone. UI is smooth and responsive, and applications respond and perform their tasks in a reasonable amount of time. How is that flawed?


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/2014 4:44:44 PM , Rating: 2
Because the two are not mutually exclusive. The function of UI smoothness and user input is not necessarily reliant on the "powerfullness" of the phone hardware.

Come on now, this is just getting silly!


RE: Just fine for the price
By nikon133 on 6/29/2014 6:05:54 PM , Rating: 2
I think "underpowered" is very relative term.

For people who moved to 520 from older Symbian smartphones (not to mention feature phones), 520 will feel almighty. It is underpowered compared to higher end phones, but looking at it on its own, it performs well in tasks it was designed for.

I'd say it is like saying that Toyota RAV4 or Honda CRV are underpowered SUVs because they look pretty weak next to Porsche Macan or BMW X3, and are much more cramped than Audi Q7 and likes. In reality, they can comfortably drive within all legal speed limits in US and, even if internal space is limited in comparison to large SUVs, they can comfortably carry average family and their luggage around.


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:19:52 PM , Rating: 4
I seriously don't even know where to begin.

Let's setup the details:
-Define: Underpowered: Having or supplied with insufficient power
-Define: Underperforming: To perform less well than (another of its kind, a general average, etc.) or less well than expected
-Expectation: A phone runs smoothly and responsively

Now for two scenarios:
Scenario: A Windows Phone meets the expectation
Result: The windows phone is not underpowered

Scenario: An android phone meets the expectations
Result: The Android phone is not underpowered

I don't know why you always jump to the fanboy argument with me and others. You just somehow assume that if this was an android phone I'd be jumping in talking about how underpowered it was? No, I would not. I would use the phone, and if it did not meet my performance expectations for the device, I would call it underpowered. However, I have not used a low end android phone, but I have in fact used a low end Windows Phone. The Windows Phone met my expectations for performance. It was smooth and responsive, and loaded all my apps quickly.

Now please, for the love of god, learn what the word underpowered means. You're making yourself look dumb.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 5:01:05 PM , Rating: 3
This post made literally no sense. When did I say you cannot compare two products? I just said you cannot arbitrarily define your own baseline to redefine the meaning of the word "underpowered."

The Lumia 520 is not in the same class as a Lumia Icon, or a Galaxy S5, or an iPhone 5S. Comparing them and coming to the conclusion that the 520 is "underpowered" is a subjective baseline that is not based at all upon the objective goals of the device and how it performs those actions.

Just as an example, if I were to run a benchmark on the phones for web browser performance, the 520 took 300ms to render the page and the Galaxy S5 did it in 100ms (made up numbers), that does not make the 520 "underpowered" because the S5 could do it 3x as fast, especially since 300ms is a nearly negligible amount of time for a human being to perceive. For all intents and purposes, the web page rendered nearly instantly on both devices.


RE: Just fine for the price
By HardwareDufus on 6/27/2014 6:19:17 PM , Rating: 3
Reclaimer..
Why are you being so offensive.

I have two 920s and a 520 in my home. Doesn't make me a fan boy. Why?

Follow my logic. I buy the 920. Wife likes it. I buy one for her.... Why? because I now how everything works and I can explain it quickly to her... Plus she has used mine..

So having the same phone makes for zero support headaches for me.

Now... we live in Mexico.. but travel back and forth between Arizona and Mexico. Therefore, it's cheaper to have two carriers.. So sometimes, it's nice to have another phone instead of doing the Sim Swap... Who wants to spend allot on a 3rd phone? not me... So, the 520 fit the bill.. It's cheap (under $60 on Ebay) and...

Let's go back to NO support headaches. I give it to my wife and she uses it just like the 920. Sure it's not quite as snappy... sure... we can't fit all the music on it... but who cares... It's perfectly Adequate!! Honestly, my wife doesn't notice.

The other coin is LOTS of folks visit us here in Mexico.... Their phones don't work here (or they are REALLY expensive).. So we hand them the 520 (we have a prepaid simm in it) and they use while they are my guest... AND GUESS WHAT? My wife shows them how to use it if they've never used a Windows Phone before... Again.. No support Headaches... NO ONE has ever thought we were handing them a low end phone!! Everyone has enjoyed using it..

The 520 is an adequate phone. For our uses, every necessary app is available (some took longer than others.. looking at you Pinterest).

Man... stop attacking folks when the proclaim a given winphone is just fine for the price.

Honestly?


RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 3:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
By definition? What is that supposed to mean? Please tell me, Reclaimer, have you used a Lumia 520 for any significant amount of time to have an informed decision on the performance of the device?

You're arguing against people that have actually owned the device and have formed opinions based on their own usage and overall experience. You are unable to accept this as truth because of some form of weird personal vendetta against Microsoft, and in particular, Windows Phone.


RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 3:42:23 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously Reclaimer, what is wrong with you? I usually chalk up your hate posts to simply not being a fan, but based on this post I can now pretty much guarantee one or more of the following from you:
1) You have never used this phone whatsoever
2) You have some unnatural bias against Windows Phone
3) You don't understand the definition of "fine"

Every windows phone, low end and high end, that I've ever used (and yes, I've used quite a few) have been incredibly responsive, loaded things in an extremely reasonable amount of time, and are by ALL definitions "fine."


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: -1
RE: Just fine for the price
By inighthawki on 6/27/2014 4:06:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
99.999999999% of the entire smartphone owning world hasn't either. Your point?

My point is that you cannot make an informed opinion on a product you have never used. The last Android phone I used was a while ago and it ran like a slug, but you don't see me running around yelling "OMG Android is so slow and sucks!" because I haven't tried it recently. Some of us like to have unbiased opinions.

quote:
I have a "bias" against people who claim Windows Phone can magically run better on sh*t hardware than Android, yes. It's FUD and it needs to be called out when uttered.

What? Do you not understand how software works? One person's OS can absolutely be more efficient than another. Just because Android runs like crap on a device doesn't mean that WP or iOS would as well.
quote:
Uhhh the use of "fine" is highly subjective, so in this case I don't believe there IS a definition for the purposes of comparison.

The definition of "fine" is that it is satisfactory to someone. Multiple people have told you that their experience on these low end devices is fine, which means that, to that user, the device was not underperforming given their expectations of the device.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Reclaimer77 on 6/27/14, Rating: 0
RE: Just fine for the price
By themaster08 on 6/27/2014 4:15:04 PM , Rating: 2
Again, get it through your thick skull. Nobody is saying that this is a powerful device. People are saying it is a well performing device. Wow. How dense are you?


RE: Just fine for the price
By nikon133 on 6/29/2014 6:32:11 PM , Rating: 2
Well, KTM X-Bow gets only 177kW out of it's 2.0L engine, which doesn't sound much for something that should be sports car, if you consider engine specs.

However, it makes 0-100kph in 3.9 seconds, which is not too shabby at all. Secret is not in engine's power, but the car built around that engine: it is very light.

And then you have Light Car Company Rocket which took in 143HP 1L engine and still gave out 0-60mph in 4.7s and top speed of 140mph... because it was even lighter.

Such is WP8. It's sitting lighter on available hardware than Android is. Sure, if you'd port latest Destiny Sword to WP, undemanding OS wouldn't help that much (same as cars above would struggle with pulling large loaded trailer)... but for majority of tasks people do with their smartphones, it does help much.

Makes perfect sense to me. You are just being stubborn. Like, Tony Swash stubborn.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Alexvrb on 6/29/2014 8:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
Except that you've concluded your paper-spec investigation and come to a conclusion, without even realizing you don't have all the facts. It would be like looking at two vehicles and determining a Nurburgring winner based on drivetrain, without factoring in suspension, curb weight, weight distribution, etc.

Windows Phone 8.x runs somewhat better on low-end hardware than Android. You can't determine how well the device functions based on specs alone. I have used Android, iOS, and WP8 devices, recently (my sister owns an iPhone 5 and yes I laugh every time she complains about being out of storage). Hands-on experience with a 520 showed me it ran just fine and didn't seem underpowered. If you didn't know what was under the hood, you would be surprised to learn how "pedestrian" the hardware is - because it runs quite well.

So yeah, code has a lot to do with it. Just as talented game developers can tune their software and milk better performance out of the same hardware, so can the OS developer. With that being said, I'd still prefer a larger screen than any of the current 5xx and 6xx devices.


RE: Just fine for the price
By atechfan on 6/27/2014 5:15:38 PM , Rating: 4
It doesn't "magically" run better on low powered hardware than Android. It does so for well documented reasons. Dalvik is crap. Test after test has shown that low end Windows Phone handsets run faster than equivalently spec'd Android ones. No magic there, just basic efficiency. You make a poorly coded Java based runtime and it will need beefier specs to run as well as something leaner and more efficient. Bury your head in the sand if you want. Doesn't change the fact that Windows Phone runs better on low end hardware than Android does.


RE: Just fine for the price
By Belegost on 6/27/2014 6:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe someone should have informed Google that the OS has no effect on the performance, it's all hardware.

Because they seem to think they can magically make low end hardware work better - that was one of the big goals with KitKat http://vr-zone.com/articles/leaked-document-says-a...

And what about Project Butter, you know Google's initiative to make the UI more responsive and fluid http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/project-butter-...

I wonder how many millions of dollars Google wasted on these projects when it's obvious that the OS has no effect on perceived or actual performance.


RE: Just fine for the price
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/29/2014 6:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm astonished and kind of disappointed that in such a large thread about Android vs Windows Phone performance you're the only person who even mentioned Dalvik. Reclaimer, as usual, has no idea what he's talking about.


RE: Just fine for the price
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/30/2014 7:17:51 PM , Rating: 2
EXACTLY.

And he admits above that he has no experience with WP devices and that it doesn't matter because most people haven't, and that somehow that proves a point.

Literally the dumbest argument I've EVER seen here, and that's saying a lot considering how many dumb things him, cheese, retro, and moto post here.

It doesn't compute to Fandroids that a device with slower hardware can be faster and smoother than Android on hardware with double the clock speed.

Android is an inefficient pig, a trash OS compared to WP and iOS. Dalvik is one of numerous problems that broken platform has.


RE: Just fine for the price
By LRonaldHubbs on 6/29/2014 6:40:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
99.999999999% of the entire smartphone owning world hasn't either. Your point?

99.999999999% of the entire smartphone owning world isn't commenting on this thread. You are. And you just admitted that you've never used the phone in question. That means your opinion is purely speculative and has less merit than those of people who HAVE used the phone.

quote:
I have a "bias" against people who claim Windows Phone can magically run better on sh*t hardware than Android

Nobody is claiming that, actually. There's nothing magical about it. It's all very factual and well-understood. You simply haven't bothered to read about it. Ever heard of Dalvik?

There's a reason that Google is dumping Dalvik for the next release.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/google-prev...
"While Android has changed significantly over the years, Dalvik was one of its oldest components. It was originally designed to save space, not to be fast or battery efficient. With ART, Google is ripping out one of the oldest core Android components and replacing it with a speedier, more modern implementation."

Unlike Dalvik, Windows Phone apps are not JIT compiled. Instead it has a cloud-based optimizing compiler, with finalization done on the phone at install time. That means the Windows Phone doesn't have to waste resources compiling code while apps are launching or running. ART will use a similar form of AOT compiling and will bring big performance improvements to Android.

Windows Phone is and has been more efficient than Android on equal hardware, and that is primarily because of Dalvik. This is not FUD, nor is it even an arguable subject. It is a FACT which Google is actively working to address.


RE: Just fine for the price
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/30/2014 7:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
The Fandroid peanut gallery here is unbelievable. They make sweeping generalizations based on no experience, no real technical knowledge, and even brag about their ignorance.


RE: Just fine for the price
By althaz on 6/30/2014 2:22:59 AM , Rating: 2
Quite a lot less than 99.999999999% of people haven't used the 520. If your numbers were accurate and everybody in the world bought a smartphone, only 7% of a single person would own a 520. Considering Nokia have hundreds of thousands of 520s, I'd say you are just a little teency bit out.


RE: Just fine for the price
By tayb on 6/27/2014 4:00:33 PM , Rating: 1
Reclaimer is the largest Google fanboy you will likely ever encounter. You should just ignore anything he has to say when it comes to smartphones.


RE: Just fine for the price
By althaz on 6/30/2014 2:13:01 AM , Rating: 1
I agree that the 520 mostly underperforms, but it's not noticably different than, for example, my Nexus 4 in everyday use.

Personally, I think neither one is fast enough.


RE: Just fine for the price
By testbug00 on 6/27/2014 3:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
Given this will be $200 IN CHINA, it is pretty overpriced.

From a few friends in the tech world over there... a Qualcomm 800 + 2GB (or was it 3GB?) + 5-6" screen + 1080p + big battery was a little over $300 iirc. There was also a Tegra 4 variant of that phone.

In the US market, this is reasonable specs for the price... Given most budget phones tend to be deeply discounted, this would likely cost $100-125 ($179 moto G typically costs around $100 in my experience) which, for the specs, is pretty competitive.


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