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The driver is questioning the merit of the ticket

Law enforcement looks down on smartphone and tablet use when driving in many states, and now, Google Glass is on their radar as well (at least in California).
 
According to Engadget, San Diego commuter Cecilia Abadie received a ticket when local police spotted her wearing her Google Glass while driving. The ticket states that her charge is "Driving with Monitor visible to Driver (Google Glass).”
 
Abadie, who was wearing her Explorer Edition when the ticket was issued, jumped on Google+ after the incident to share her story. She’s also questioning the merit of the ticket, hoping another local will be able to share their thoughts on the merit of the ticket.
 

Google Glass is a wearable device from Google that displays information in a hands-free way via natural language voice commands. The glasses allow the user to see information right on the lens in front of them. 

The Explorer Edition, which costs a hefty $1500, was released in February 2013. The consumer version, expected to cost $300 to $500, will be released in 2014.

Source: Engadget



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Hefty fine
By chµck on 10/30/2013 2:31:35 PM , Rating: 3
I personally wouldn't want other drivers using these while driving on the same road I'm on, but I don't agree with the fine entirely either. These types of devices require laws to be amended.




RE: Hefty fine
By dragonbif on 10/30/2013 2:38:09 PM , Rating: 3
I don't think the law needs to be amended. It states "driving with Monitor visible to Driver". Google Glass is a monitor (small projector type). This law was put in place to keep people from watching movies and other stuff when driving.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 2:44:50 PM , Rating: 4
The law needs amended. Having a GPS on a HUD like that would be great. When compared to taking your eyes off the road to look at your GPS (or speedo, or fuel gauge for that matter) glass keeps your eyes very close to the road.

For example, if you were looking at your GPS, radio, fuel gauge or speedo and the car in front of you stopped abruptly, you may not see it in time to avoid hitting them. If you are looking at Glass GPS (Or some other future HUD sync, your eyes are still on the road enough to notice the abrupt stop.


RE: Hefty fine
By Souka on 10/30/2013 3:17:18 PM , Rating: 5
Having kids in the car, especially young ones, should then also get you a ticket.

Talk about distractions!

"Mom!!! He took my toy"
"Dad!!! I can't get my toy"
"WHAHAHA WHWHAHAH WHAHAHAHA" = I dropped my binkie, now you need to reach behind your seat, fish for it, then put it back in my mouth...all while driving.

For those who have/had kids know this is true....


RE: Hefty fine
By Argon18 on 10/30/2013 4:26:44 PM , Rating: 2
The world would be a much safer place without idiot soccer moms in minivans. So far I've been hit by three of these inattentive retards in the past four years.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 4:46:25 PM , Rating: 2
3 accidents in 4 years? Sounds like a you issue, not a them issue.


RE: Hefty fine
By Argon18 on 10/31/2013 12:06:05 PM , Rating: 3
When they rear-end me from behind, while waiting at a red light, it's very clearly a THEM issue.


RE: Hefty fine
By rsmech on 11/1/2013 12:14:21 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe they knew it was you before they "accidentally" hit you. After reading some of your posts I'd be inclined to.


RE: Hefty fine
By Argon18 on 10/31/2013 12:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
But congrats for getting a +5 on your obtuse dick head comment, without having any of the facts.


RE: Hefty fine
By mindless1 on 11/3/2013 8:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, you've built up some negative momentum on DT and they're just going to be negative back at you.

The best solution for that is to just take a break. Find something more productive to spend your time on because really and truly it is wasted reading these articles and debating them. Mine too.

You won't look back 20 year from now and wish you had spent more time arguing on DT, trust me on that.


RE: Hefty fine
By Samus on 10/31/2013 1:25:09 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.

So drive a two seater.


RE: Hefty fine
By inighthawki on 10/30/2013 4:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately with the advantages of something like GPS which would actually make your driving safer, it comes at the price of also being potentially much worse. Now people are given the capability of checking facebook and twitter status updates far more easily than ever before.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 4:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
They can do that anyhow. Glass or smartphone/tablet. There is no difference. If someone is going to do that while driving, they are going to do it regardless.


RE: Hefty fine
By inighthawki on 10/30/2013 4:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree, there is less of a "barrier to entry" if the device is already hooked up to your face in front of you. For those that would not normally use their phone or tablet (lol) while driving, this makes it easier to get distracted.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 4:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
You cant legislate stupid people. Stupid people will find a way. If stupid wants to watch a movie while driving, stupid will, regardless if its phone tablet, watch or glasses. Stupid watching a movie on glass is FAR less dangerous than stupid watching it on a phone.

To me, glass would make everyones driving safer with a HUD. A simple bluetooth interface with your speed, direction, fuel, etc right there so you don't have to take your eyes off the road to see them.


RE: Hefty fine
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/30/2013 6:12:05 PM , Rating: 2
I love the tech behind google glass, but I am not so sure that using it as a HUD while driving is not giving yourself sensory overload. Let me elaborate:

The problem is that unlike a GPS in your center stack or your instrument pod below your line of sight, Google glass is always right there in your direct line of sight feeding you information. You don't have the option of looking away from it. With a normal GPS you only look at it when you need to then return your full attention to the road. Likewise you dip your eyes to your speedo quickly to check your speed them go back to focusing on the road ahead of you. There is no nagging information constantly competing for your attention directly in your line of sight.

With google glass you have these lights flickering in your eye demanding you focus on it while you are trying to drive - during the day it is not so bad, but at night that can be a very serious distraction and very tiring to deal with. The only way to get google glass to stop is to take it off.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 6:29:24 PM , Rating: 2
OK, but 2 things... 1. Its not in your line of sight, its like a HUD over and up. 2, Google maps currently has night mode colors that sync with the sundown time in your current location.- same deal.


RE: Hefty fine
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/30/2013 6:57:18 PM , Rating: 2

I watched this video http://www.google.com/glass/start/how-it-feels/ and to be honest I would find having that in the upper right of my view really distracting while driving. It is in your line of sight and you can't help but focus on it when information is constantly changing on it - that us a natural thing to do kindof like looking when you see someone waving at you out the corner of your eye. That can wreak all kinds of havoc if misused (and you just know it will!) and youi let it grab your attention at the wrong time.

That's just me though. I'm sure others would love these to bits and you can bet that if I get rear-ended by someone wearing one, I will sue the pants off him/her ;)


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 9:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
Its like the HUD in any FPS game. If you can play any FPS game on anything but "beginner" difficulty and finish it, or play online against others anywhere above the bottom 25 percentile you can easily drive with it. Driving is 10x easier than playing those games... ITs just that you cant make a mistake ;)


RE: Hefty fine
By rsmech on 11/1/2013 12:18:22 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the ads as you drive by restaurants and stores. Lol.


RE: Hefty fine
By inighthawki on 10/30/2013 6:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
Like I said, I agree that is has the potential to make some operations safer - I think things like speed, GPS, etc can benefit. However, I guess what I'm trying to say is - you are right, stupid people will find a way, but it simply expands the number of people who *can* do it. There are many people who already do stupid things, but those are not the ones I'm worried about. I'm worried about it spreading to people who never previously used their phones while driving, but now think they can do the equivalent because it's hands free, but are now distracted when they otherwise wouldn't be.


RE: Hefty fine
By retrospooty on 10/30/2013 8:11:03 PM , Rating: 2
You may have a point. Give a stupid an easy way to be stupid and they may hit new heights of stupidity. LOL


RE: Hefty fine
By Reclaimer77 on 10/30/13, Rating: 0
RE: Hefty fine
By degobah77 on 10/31/2013 10:43:17 AM , Rating: 3
It's a speeding tkt, look at the FIRST violation on the tkt which is a California VC22346 code for EXCESSIVE SPEED.

The google glass was merely an add on offense when the cop probably saw her surfing the internet while driving.


RE: Hefty fine
By Camikazi on 10/31/2013 11:00:59 AM , Rating: 2
How exactly can you see anyone surfing the internet when they are wearing Google Glass? I mean can the cop see through the persons eyes or something? If not he is guessing and the thing could be off for all he knew.


RE: Hefty fine
By degobah77 on 10/31/2013 11:10:42 AM , Rating: 1
Does it matter? She was still getting pulled over for speeding. This article makes it sound like she got pulled over for wearing Google Glass, which is clearly WRONG.

It's not the cop's job to guess whether or not you just turned that youtube video off. You've got a monitor attached to your friggin' head and you're driving. Tough luck, bitch. Next time, don't speed and this is a non-issue.


RE: Hefty fine
By degobah77 on 10/31/2013 11:31:05 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, down rated? This woman was not only speeding , but had a monitor attached to her face at the same time. Ok then!

You know, most people don't drive well even when they ARE looking at the road.


RE: Hefty fine
By Reclaimer77 on 10/31/2013 12:16:20 PM , Rating: 2
Its a transparent HUD. Stop being a whiney little nanny. Ticket her for speeding, fine. But the ticket for Google Glass is clearly an illegal search without cause, and should be thrown out.

Why don't you er on the side of liberty instead of fascism?


RE: Hefty fine
By degobah77 on 10/31/2013 12:49:05 PM , Rating: 2
Fair enough, but if my in-dash DVD player is showing a movie and I get pulled over for speeding, I can't say, 'I wasn't looking at it, though.' I'm also not going to post a picture of my tkt online and complain about it.

Fine, if she was watching porn then I'm totally ok with it.


RE: Hefty fine
By Reclaimer77 on 10/31/2013 4:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hey if you enjoy an ever-growing police state, that's your business I guess....


RE: Hefty fine
By Jeffk464 on 10/31/2013 4:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Having a GPS on a HUD like that would be great


Yup there is a lot of potential for HUD features if you could link to the cars computer. They just need to lock out non driving related functions when the car is moving.


RE: Hefty fine
By DT_Reader on 10/30/2013 4:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
So are cars with HUDs illegal in California?


RE: Hefty fine
By ClownPuncher on 10/30/2013 4:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
No, and neither are visible dash GPS devices. California is just arbitrarily banning things because why not?


RE: Hefty fine
By Omega215D on 10/30/2013 7:31:34 PM , Rating: 2
Liberal nanny state strikes again. NY soon to follow. Besides they are broke and need to find more ways fine people. Gotta support that upcoming amnesty and entitlement packages.


RE: Hefty fine
By DaringSquirrel on 10/31/2013 6:21:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Liberal nanny state


Oxymoron count for the day: +1


RE: Hefty fine
By ClownPuncher on 10/31/2013 11:05:59 AM , Rating: 2
It is something of a nanny state, but it has definitely moved past liberalism.


RE: Hefty fine
By Omega215D on 10/31/2013 11:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
Liberals are all about rights until they see something they don't approve of.


RE: Hefty fine
By Argon18 on 10/30/2013 4:34:02 PM , Rating: 1
That's a dishonest argument, no?

The HUD electronics in a car so equipped have been designed specifically for use by the driver, while driving the car, and have been DOT approved for this specific use.

Google Glass has not been designed specifically for use while driving. It may be suitable for use while driving, or it may not. Who knows? It wasn't designed for that, and it isn't marketed for that. Also, it is not DOT approved.

I agree with the issuance of this traffic ticket. Using non DOT approved HUD while driving could be dangerous to other motorists. I don't particularly like the idea of a random consumer performing their own product "testing" at speed in traffic.


RE: Hefty fine
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/30/2013 7:01:07 PM , Rating: 2
I can see it now...

Rear-end collisions sharply rise due to the release of the "Titts and glass" glass-porn app.


RE: Hefty fine
By Rukkian on 10/30/2013 4:04:25 PM , Rating: 4
I wonder how many tickets they could write for the large bilboard that now have motion and animated adds on them? I think every person could get a ticket.


RE: Hefty fine
By Monkey's Uncle on 10/30/2013 6:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
You are expected to be in full control of your car at all times while driving. There are absolutely no exceptions. If you are not, you can be ticketed regardless of the reason.

Distracted drivers, whether from cell phone use, being in drugs, soccer moms dealing with a wagon full of rowdy kids or just being sleepy, are not in complete control of their cars.


RE: Hefty fine
By SAN-Man on 10/30/2013 3:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know why not.

The simple act of seeing at all is a distraction while driving, as silly as that sounds. Think about all the things which come in your field of view which have nothing to do with driving your vehicle, you are bombarded with them constantly. In fact most of what you are viewing while driving is probably NOT related to successfully executing the task of driving.

Having this device on is not any different than simply driving as normal with all the visual distractions that entails.


RE: Hefty fine
By Souka on 10/30/2013 3:37:03 PM , Rating: 5
No kidding.

I was cruising through South Beach in Miami....just about wrecked my rental car a dozen times in a day


RE: Hefty fine
By ClownPuncher on 10/30/2013 4:10:35 PM , Rating: 2
Stop looking around or you will get a ticket. Look straight ahead. If I see you peeking, you get a ticket!


RE: Hefty fine
By inighthawki on 10/30/2013 4:30:19 PM , Rating: 2
It's obvious to me that new laws should mandate that you must be closing your eyes at all times while driving. Otherwise you are far too prone to being distracted.


Why stop at Google Glass?
By tayb on 10/30/2013 4:06:38 PM , Rating: 2
We should make everything that is distracting illegal.

-Billboards
-Other drivers
-Road signs
-Rain
-Darkness
-Scenery
-Food
-Beverages
-GPS
-Music
-Reading a novel
-Practicing trumpet
-Radio controls
-Air conditioning controls
-Children
-Friends
-Spouses
-Google Glass
-Mobile Phones

I don't want to endanger other drivers.




RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Flunk on 10/30/2013 4:25:14 PM , Rating: 2
Eating and drinking and in fact anything that takes your hands off the controls of the car are illegal in the UK. You need to keep your hands free at all times.

Until they can figure out how to outlaw being an irresponsible jerk we'll have to get by with the laws they can think up to try to avoid it.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Omega215D on 10/30/2013 7:32:53 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly, according to people I know there it still doesn't help as people still engage in that nonsense behind the wheel. Still wouldn't want a police state to monitor that though.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Argon18 on 10/30/13, Rating: 0
RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Rukkian on 10/30/2013 5:19:27 PM , Rating: 2
Many new cars are getting touch screen controls for things like AC and radio, which takes away the tactile response.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Reclaimer77 on 10/30/2013 8:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Eating and drinking while driving are already illegal in most of Europe.


Well Europe has a long history with stupid ass fascist ideas, so that doesn't surprise me. I rather keep that kind of nonsense in Europe where it belongs, and not bring it here.

If you can't take a sip from a drink and maintain control of your vehicle, you don't need laws to help you, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Strunf on 10/31/2013 11:24:41 AM , Rating: 1
It's a myth that you can do it safely, just like texting and other stuff people do while driving, tests have proven it we can't really multi-task not even people that think they can, sure it works 99.9% of the time but sometimes when it doesn't people get killed.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Solandri on 10/31/2013 1:01:40 PM , Rating: 5
It's also a myth that anything which degrades one's driving capability by 0.01% should be banned.

The issue here isn't merely whether something is distracting. The sound of the blinker from your turn signal is distracting. The toot of another car's horn is distracting. The red from the brake light of the car in front of you is distracting.

But those distractions convey useful information, and their net effect is to make driving safer. If Google Glass can be made to recognize when you're driving and lock down its functionality to things which augment driving (e.g. tie into the car's proximity sensors and display an overhead view of other cars around you), then it could potentially make driving safer.

But if we just took a blind "anything that's distracting is illegal" stance in our driving laws, a lot of the innovations like car horns, windshield wipers, window defrosters, etc. would never have been invented.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Reclaimer77 on 10/31/2013 3:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
I have to take my hand off the wheel to shift my car.

How is that more distracting than taking a drink? Which I do while keeping my eyes on the road the entire time.

These Europeans just love the nanny state and having no rights. Trying to justify such an absurd policy as banning drinking in your vehicle makes me sad to be human.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By Strunf on 11/4/2013 8:01:45 AM , Rating: 2
All that and what is the useful information taking a sip provides you?... how about none.

Don't compare things that have nothing to do with driving and shouldn't/aren't allowed to things that provide you useful information, the sound of the blinker ISN'T distracting it's part of the driving guidelines, it exist cause you should keep your eyes on the road and the sound provides you USEFULL information, the same with car horns, red lights when you brake etc...

Google Glass could be used to provide USEFULL information but also to distract you, considering the number of people that text while driving chances are there will be a good deal of people using google glass just to watch movies and what not.

Texting while driving doesn't degrade your driving ability by 0.01%, it increases your chances of crashing by 8x, tests have shown that people simply can't text and drive at the same time.


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By btc909 on 10/31/2013 2:21:07 AM , Rating: 2
-Farts
-The Resulting Smell From Farts
-Burping


RE: Why stop at Google Glass?
By ShieTar on 10/31/2013 6:21:14 AM , Rating: 2
I agree in general, driving a car is the most dangerous thing the average person does every day. Dangerous to other people that is, use of alcohol and fast-food might be the most dangerous thing people do to themselves. So if we cannot restrict the use of cars to trained professionals, at least we should expect a professional approach to the activity from everybody who wants to drive for themselves.

That aside, "Reading a Novel"? Did you mean audiobooks, or do you actually have experience with somebody driving around with a book rested on his steering wheel?


Not a ticket for Glass....
By JarredWalton on 10/30/2013 3:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
It's important to note that the ticket came for speeding, and when the officer came up to the car he likely noticed Google Glass and added that to the citation. Was Glass on or off? Was the officer concerned about being recorded? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet....




RE: Not a ticket for Glass....
By chµck on 10/30/2013 6:37:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The ticket states that her charge is "Driving with Monitor visible to Driver (Google Glass).”


the .gov she deserves
By Schrag4 on 10/30/2013 6:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
As a resident of CA, she's getting the nanny-state government she most-likely voted for. I can't say that I have much sympathy for her if that's the case.




It's a speeding tkt with an add on
By degobah77 on 10/31/2013 10:29:12 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, hi, there are TWO, as in 2, violations on the tkt. The google glass one is the second and is probably an add on. Look closely and the first code is for some kind of speed issue. She didn't get pulled over for google glass, she got pulled over for speeding and then the cop saw her watching the internet.




By Griffinhart on 10/31/2013 1:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
She wasn't pulled over for using Google Glass. The ticket is for Speeding 80 in a 65. The Google Glass was just an add on.




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