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Apple also gives gay couples a "shout out" in iOS 6 "emojis"

Remember those little marriage icons on Facebook.com, Inc. (FB)?  Well the site, which at times has been accused of being intolerant to homosexuality, has stirred up a pot of worms by adding special icons to celebrate the marriage of gay couples.

When one of the network's 900 million users posts that they got hitched, traditionally they were treated with a standard heterosexual male and female cake-topper style icon.  Homosexual couples received the same icon, much to their chagrin.

But in the U.S. over the weekend, users began to notice new icons -- two males or two females -- were introduced.   

Facebook gay marriage
Facebook has added gay marriage icons. [Image Source: Facebook via CNN]

James Lazar, a 38-year-old Chicago man was married (to a man), but had refused to change his status for some time due to the male-female icon.  He commented, "I don't like being forced into typical gender roles -- because we aren't.  I think it's offensive."

But he eventually bit the bullet and updated his profile to reflect his marriage.  And to his surprise and delight shortly thereafter his icon changed to two men.  He recalls in a CNN interview, "I honestly didn't realize it was going to show up in my feed.  I have 80,000 people 'liking' it and congratulating me and I'm like, 'Well, it was seven years ago!'"

Apple emojis
Apple includes gay "emojis" in iOS6. [Image Source: Gizmodo]

The Facebook change comes shortly after Apple, Inc. (AAPL) opted to update iOS 6 to include gay couples expressing various affectionate gestures in its canned text message image responses ("emojis").

Source: CNN



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Better Strategy
By The Raven on 7/5/2012 7:16:12 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
James Lazar, a 38-year-old Chicago man was married (to a man), but had refused to change his status for some time due to the male-female icon. He commented, "I don't like being forced into typical gender roles -- because we aren't. I think it's offensive."
Rather than change the icon, he should have dressed up more similarly to the silhouette of a woman in protest. Those sexist pictures have always bothered me (not really). My wife has short hair and mostly wears pants. The pictogram system is flawed. I am happy to hear that our gay friends now have emoticons to represent them, but my wife and I are still in the back of the proverbial bus!




RE: Better Strategy
By Reclaimer77 on 7/5/2012 7:23:48 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sure there are many stable well adjusted homosexuals out there. It's just really a shame every time the media portrays them or interviews them, it's some angry radical militant homosexual. Or one that's WAY too sensitive. How are freaking icons offensive or "forcing" Mr Lazar into a "gender role" again?

This would be like a handicapped person acting indignant that there are no Facebook emoticons featuring wheelchairs. So he refuses to use them at all. Seriously come on.

I thought the gay and lesbian community had WAY bigger issues. But apparently I was wrong.


RE: Better Strategy
By Reclaimer77 on 7/5/2012 8:11:31 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm sure there are many stable well adjusted homosexuals out there.


In fact I want to change this statement because it's not what I really meant. I KNOW that most are.

There are more Georgi Takei's, a respectable activist and true hero of the gay and lesbian community, out there than James Lazars I assure you.


RE: Better Strategy
By Belard on 7/5/2012 11:34:14 PM , Rating: 1
Or.... as I like to say. Most homosexuals are as boring as anyone else.

I think all the homophobes/bigots are thinking of the stereotype freaky-gay dudes from the gay Parade. Yes, some are that freaky... but its like a party, its dress up... and don't go if you don't want to.


RE: Better Strategy
By robinthakur on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2012 10:19:07 AM , Rating: 4
Well thank you for proving my point there super. Heaven forbid we discuss this without someone throwing the "bigot" and "homophobia" card around at anyone who tries to talk about this rationally.

quote:
When the icon to represent you doesn't exist it sends the message to society that you don't exist


wow...WOW!! /facepalm


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 2:15:40 PM , Rating: 1
It's not a "card" it's a fact that's inextricably relevant.


RE: Better Strategy
By 91TTZ on 7/6/2012 1:40:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
When the icon to represent you doesn't exist it sends the message to society that you don't exist, or that your existence is unworthy of recognition.


That statement is utterly ridiculous. It just means that there's no icon to represent you. It has nothing at all to do with your existence.

Seriously, stop crying.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:12:55 PM , Rating: 2
That is not a rebuttal.


RE: Better Strategy
By lexluthermiester on 7/8/2012 1:54:57 AM , Rating: 1
I can't help but laugh at the term "stable well adjusted homosexuals". It's a contradiction on several levels.

Homosexuality is a disorder. Whether it be a mental/psychological, physical/genetic, environmental or a combination thereof, it is a disorder and disease. I find it interesting that we can define nymphomania as a disorder[among the multitude of other sexual disorders] and pedophilia as a disease having many differing causes, but somehow homosexuality is perfectly normal?

NONSENSE! Total frickin rubbish from a scientific and sociological point of view. Instead of accepting that very flawed ideal, we should be focusing on finding treatments like any other disorder. And if some people simply want to live with it, that is their right, protected by law. But the law DOES NOT say we as a civilization need to allow it as a part of our mainstream thinking.

Now, should homosexuals should be shunned? Heck no. They are human beings deserving to be treated with respect, kindness and dignity. That is how I treat my friends whom subscribe to that lifestyle. And they know how I feel. Some of them even understand and accept that they have a disorder. Hell one of them is pissed at all of this, in his words, "entitlement bullshit".

Let the mindless, emotion driven flaming commence....


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Homosexuality is a disorder.


That's a lie, unless you've just arrived from a time machine set to <1956.

In 1956, Dr. Evelyn Hooker did what no prior researcher had done. She avoided using a polluted sample (men with a history of treatment for mental illness) and instead studied two groups (heterosexual men, homosexual men) with no history of treatment for mental illness. She submitted her work to leading experts. None of them, including her, found any difference between the two stacks of folders.

There was no difference in terms of mental adjustment (sanity) between heterosexual and homosexual men.

So, no, homosexuality isn't a disorder. What needs to be treated, via education, is ignorance.


RE: Better Strategy
By p05esto on 7/8/2012 6:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
There's no such thing as a gay person with a level head and who isn't full of emotional problems and serious mental health issues. No such thing. Playing with poop is NOT normal, not know which male/female parts go together is not just stupid, it's a sign of serious mental health issues. It's so obvious, it's just society that's so screwed up that some people have come to accept this as OK and not perverted.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:11:27 PM , Rating: 2
Lesbians have lower STD infection rates than heterosexuals and homosexual men. They have lower HIV infection rates. They have lower AIDS deaths.

Does that mean lesbians are superior people?

Large numbers of heterosexual couples engage in anal sex. Does that mean, again, that lesbians are superior people — since they don't have penises and are less likely to engage in penetrative anal sex?

Here are the facts:

1. Not all gay people and not all hetero people have anal sex.
2. People who want to engage in anal sex are not disordered because of that desire.
3. Psychology has known since 1956 that homosexuality isn't a disorder.

There is nothing about being gay that makes a gay person more prone to "emotional problems and serious mental health issues" than a heterosexual person. There is, however, one source of emotional stress that could be avoided: ignorance like yours.


RE: Better Strategy
By Samus on 7/6/2012 3:43:22 AM , Rating: 1
People are shocked when they meet my gay friends, not because they're gay, but because they can't believe they're gay. LGBT people are just like anyone else, they only talk about their sexuality when it comes up, it's not like they brag about being gay or talk with a "gay lisp."


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 10:36:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
In other words, gay people are great as long as they don't exist.


That's not what he said at all. The theme of the post was that LGBT in his experience are just regular people, not some stereotyped caricature ala Bruno.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By geddarkstorm on 7/6/2012 2:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's your thinking that is flawed. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have to suddenly act different. A person is who a person is; gay or straight should not affect your behavior outside the bed, as that's the only place -where it even matters-.

People forget they can be sexist or racist to themselves by trying to set themselves apart on purpose, by believing they -must- be different.


RE: Better Strategy
By geddarkstorm on 7/6/2012 2:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
I should clarify, the point is you should only be who you are. If that fits into a stereotype, fine. But a person should never go out of their way to change themselves so that they fit a stereotype, because they are straight or because they are gay or because they are purple.

That to me is the greatest offense. The whole idea that you must be different is destructive. Just be a person, you.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
There is evidence that gay men tend toward having hybrid characteristics.

One study found that most gay men employ reasoning strategies shown by most heterosexual men and heterosexual women, rather than only employing the strategies typically used by heterosexual men. The study also found that most gay women tend toward typically heterosexual male reasoning strategies.

Another study found that gay men tend to have more feminine finger length patterns, indicating less testosterone exposure in the womb.

Another study found brain differences in which the brains of gay people were more like those of the opposite sex than heterosexual brains typically are.

At the same time, there are some gay men who are very masculine and some gay women who are very feminine. However, the studies point toward most gay people being somewhat hybridized.

Our culture worships masculinity and a great deal of opprobrium against gay men (and lesbians to a lesser, but still significant extent) comes from a sense of outrage over crossing gender lines. Since our culture worships masculinity, effeminacy in males is considered particularly egregious.

The fact that some gay people conform well to our rigid typical heterosexual gender role does not mean it's OK to put those people on a pedestal and look down on those who don't. The "I know gay people who don't fit the stereotypes; they're role models for other gays" thing is exactly that thinking. It's not healthy for anyone, including heterosexual males who feel oppressed by the strictness of the gender role and resort to cross-dressing (usually cross-dressers are especially "masculine" in appearance, demeanor, and occupation).


RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 3:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, the idea is that gay people can be invisible because their qualities are indistinguishable from heterosexuals and that that's a good thing.


Is the ability to fit in a bad thing in your eyes? If so, why?

quote:
The idea is that gay people who possess qualities that fit the stereotypes, particularly effeminate men, are inferior.


Who's idea? I don't see it as being implied by Samus' post that you responded to. I certainly don't think of effeminate men as inferior, gay or not. Then again, I probably wouldn't given that I'm not the paragon of macho-manlyness. Of course, few are.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:33:48 PM , Rating: 2
Conformity has good and bad qualities. Excessive conformity, where the ability of a person's to contribute is impaired, is obviously bad for society. Yet, excessive conformity is generally the rule.

quote:
I don't see it as being implied by Samus' post that you responded to.

It is. But, more importantly, our culture believes that. So, debating whether or not a specific poster intended that implication or not isn't nearly as useful as acknowledging the implication and why it's important.

But, a lot of folks would rather hide it because they feel it doesn't apply to them. The fact is that minorities help to enrich culture and policies that are socially corrosive affect the entire culture, not just the obvious targets.


RE: Better Strategy
By 91TTZ on 7/6/2012 1:42:52 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're hurting your cause by being horribly annoying. I'm not bigoted but when I hear people whine like you do, I do my best to shut them up.

I don't care whether you're gay or straight, effeminate or masculine- but annoying is annoying. And you're annoying.

Now shut up.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 2:21:50 PM , Rating: 1
Ad hominem is a fallacy. Your post offers nothing else.

The abusive response is unwarranted and unhelpful.


RE: Better Strategy
By overlandpark4me on 7/9/2012 2:41:33 AM , Rating: 2
Their "issues" are their thinking that 7 percent of the population acts like they are 90 percent of the population. This is why we weed them out of our company. They can't get through a day without something to do with their twisted sexual orientation. Only two left. Hopefully by Labor Day, we'll be clean. If I wore a "straight and proud" button, I'd be viewed negatively. Meanwhile those twisted f**k's have a parade with naked men running around in front of children. If it was near a school around here, they'd be on the sexual pred list.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:26:14 PM , Rating: 2
Heterosexual men are statistically more likely to molest children.

As for your company, it's a good thing that there are other companies around where gay employees' work is appreciated.

If you're worried about becoming cleaner, the first thing you should start with is your bigotry. Ignorance is not orderly.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 9:26:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Militant" gay people have every justification to behave the way they do given the high level of bigotry gay people face in our culture and in the world in general.


Perhaps. However, acting like a douche, regardless of how justified it may be, isn't always the best way to achieve your goals. Case in point, Mayor Gavin Newsom's famous "It's going to happen, whether you like it or not."


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 3:45:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyone who is an activist (someone who stands up for themselves) is "acting like a douche" according to the mindset responsible for labeling activism "militant/annoying" behavior.


The key is to get your point across without being perceived as militant / annoying by those whose opinions can be swayed. You may have die-hard opposition to your cause that will always label you as such, but statement's like Newsom's doozy aren't going to sway people that might be on the fence in your direction. On the other hand, the LGBT community's equivalent of an "I Have A Dream" speech very well could get you somewhere.

quote:
It's the same mentality that demands that gay people remain invisible with statements like "I don't care what you do in the bedroom, but I don't want to hear about it".


Why do you want to broadcast what you do in the bedroom? I personally don't really want to know what anyone does in the bedroom, gay or straight.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:03:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The key is to get your point across without being perceived as militant / annoying by those whose opinions can be swayed. You may have die-hard opposition to your cause that will always label you as such

I've bolded part of your statement because you're starting to get toward the truth of it. It's not about a fair analysis. The whole "militant" thing is an unfair appraisal of activism designed to advocate people not standing up for themselves. It's advocacy for the closet, for invisibility and a lack of civil rights. Unfortunately, the end result are things like gay teen suicide. That's not hyperbole. If a society teaches you that you're so bad that you can't even be recognized, that's very hard on people, especially young people.

quote:
Why do you want to broadcast what you do in the bedroom? I personally don't really want to know what anyone does in the bedroom, gay or straight.

You're taking it literally, like when people say things like "love the sinner, hate the sin". Gay people aren't literally going around wanting to tell everyone the details of what they do in the bedroom. Sheesh.

One of the tactics of the right-wing is to pretend that homosexuality isn't a sexual orientation and is instead nothing more than sexual behavior (sex acts): the bedroom. When a heterosexual person talks about their kids and has a picture of their wife on their desk, are they trying to force everyone into a long conversation about their sexual practices in the bedroom?


RE: Better Strategy
By Adonlude on 7/6/2012 11:13:31 AM , Rating: 2
I read everything you said and heard it in "Big Gay Al" voice. Is that wrong?


RE: Better Strategy
By Camikazi on 7/6/2012 11:37:30 AM , Rating: 2
Don't think so, I just reread it in his voice and it made it much more interesting and funny.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 2:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
There is a theory in Communications that says that there is an ideological spectrum people are positioned on. If someone encounters information that runs contrary to their position on the spectrum (from the other side), the person is less likely to consider the information fairly.

So, applying cartoon elements to useful information in an attempt to ignore it clearly appears to be an example of this limitation in human cognition.


RE: Better Strategy
By 91TTZ on 7/6/2012 1:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's pretty clear that you're one of the people that the vast majority of the population doesn't like. You're just annoying.

You defend all the actions that nearly everyone hates. Everyone knows that there are some really annoying pests out there. From reading your posts in this thread I can say with near certainty that you're one of them.

This really has nothing to do with bigotry, activism, gayness, or anything like that. It has to do with good old fashioned pestering. Nobody likes a pest.


RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 2:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
Again, ad hominem is not part of civilized discourse and certainly doesn't qualify as a worthwhile rebuttal.


what a shame sick deviant
By SPOOOK on 7/5/2012 9:06:35 PM , Rating: 2
what a shame this is happy about deviants




RE: what a shame sick deviant
By Motoman on 7/5/2012 9:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
<Fry squints>

...not sure if sarcasm, or actually that stupid...


RE: what a shame sick deviant
By Belard on 7/5/2012 11:43:05 PM , Rating: 2
I'd go with intelligence challenged.


By dark matter on 7/6/2012 5:22:01 AM , Rating: 1
It's ok. Those feelings of disgust you have, it's called projection. It's normally what happens when you have parental opinions diametrically opposed to their children.

It's worth pointing out that as an adult, you can have your own feelings and opinions that differ from those pushed on you by your parents WITHOUT having to compromise their beliefs.

Naturally, if they are unwilling (there is no such thing as unable) to compromise, then that is their folly, and not yours, and you shouldn't have to bear their guilt. Because, they may be actually in the same boat as you.

So don't hind in there all your life. Come out.


What about Polygamy?
By bathotropic on 7/6/2012 12:12:26 AM , Rating: 2
I'm fine with gay marriage, but why is polygamy denied? Marriage between two consenting adult humans, regardless of sexual intent, sexual orientation or marital status must be allowed.




RE: What about Polygamy?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/6/2012 2:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
It used to be allowed and highly accepted.
That is until the Christian religion took hold in the Roman Era, then Homosexuality and other religions like Paganism was pretty much outlawed and could even get you killed, after thousands of years people viewed it as wrong and unnatural.

Unfortunately, such religions are still very much alive today which have been advocating heavily against same-sex unions across the planet.

Bah, we all bleed the same colour of blood anyway, same-sex couples just want to be treated the same.


RE: What about Polygamy?
By superstition on 7/6/2012 9:03:16 AM , Rating: 2
Polygamy is completely irrelevant to same-sex marriage. Same-sex marriage, like opposite-sex marriage, is defined by the pair bond.

Sexual orientation doesn't have anything to do with having multiple spouses, unless your argument is that bisexuals should be able to marry one partner of each sex.


what about
By cokbun on 7/6/2012 1:35:14 AM , Rating: 4
what about the guy who married his nintendo DS? does he get an icon too?




By Arsynic on 7/6/2012 9:14:41 AM , Rating: 2
...such as two rings joined together or something else? They were probably victims of a gay e-mail blast from married queers who wanted to feel normal.




By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, those terrible victimizing abnormal queers...


pathetic
By chromal on 7/6/2012 11:14:20 AM , Rating: 2
Who the hell cares what facebook thinks about anything?




RE: pathetic
By p05esto on 7/8/2012 6:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
who cares about facebook at all? If they went away tomorrow I would not even notice.


Wow..This is still an issue?
By MarioJP on 7/8/2012 3:11:58 AM , Rating: 2
Wow some of you ignorants on here just can't accept the fact that one men likes another. I really don't see the point in this debate people are people. No wonder this world if full of violence. How cant it be solved when people are boiling red about something so simple as this. Not only that but also jump into conclusions.

Like to the guy that said whats next a turtle? Yea ok buddy I am sure you str8 people are so perfect that you have those manly shirts. You know Wife beater shirts.

Let this stupid debate go and move along.




RE: Wow..This is still an issue?
By MarioJP on 7/8/2012 3:22:04 AM , Rating: 2
but then i couldn't tell if he was joking or not lol.


3...2...1...
By quiksilvr on 7/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: 3...2...1...
By Joshflighter on 7/5/2012 6:42:53 PM , Rating: 2
haha, thats funny...


gais....
By chµck on 7/5/2012 10:15:46 PM , Rating: 2
gais...
srsly...
it's FACEBOOK.
http://i.imgur.com/1RBhB.jpg




works online
By PittmanKen18 on 7/6/2012 11:45:00 PM , Rating: 2
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wow
By p05esto on 7/8/2012 6:36:08 PM , Rating: 2
That is so gay. Just another reason to hate Facebook. GROSS!




Yuck
By overlandpark4me on 7/9/2012 2:34:59 AM , Rating: 2
Yet another reason to cancel my account.




What's next?!!...
By The Raven on 7/5/12, Rating: -1
RE: What's next?!!...
By lagomorpha on 7/5/2012 10:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
It's a slippery slope. If you can have an icon of two men married someone can have one where they marry a turtle.


RE: What's next?!!...
By Belard on 7/5/2012 11:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
You two guys...please, stop that. A turtle cannot give consent to having sex with you.

What makes you guys think the turtle is enjoying it?


RE: What's next?!!...
By Adonlude on 7/6/2012 11:16:36 AM , Rating: 2
I like to drive on the wrong side of the road. I was born that way. I believe we should inact legislation so that oncoming traffic must move out of my way on the freeway. Additionally, I am not an ambiturner.


RE: What's next?!!...
By MrBlastman on 7/6/2012 11:39:39 AM , Rating: 2
I dunno. Sometimes a turtle head pokes out, other times it pokes in. Some of them have large shells and other times they have small ones.

Perhaps we should just circumshell all of them so all turtleheads are equal. A turtle head is a turtle head, right?

It's all fun and games until you try and have sex with a snapping turtle.


RE: What's next?!!...
By The Raven on 7/6/2012 5:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad some people enjoyed the joke. I likewise enjoyed yours lol.


RE: What's next?!!...
By StevoLincolnite on 7/6/2012 2:45:59 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
...people 'friending dogs?!


It just shows how out of touch/ignorant you are when you don't even know the difference between homosexuality and bestiality.

Just remember, gay people don't make more gay people, straight people give birth to gay people.


RE: What's next?!!...
By troysavary on 7/6/2012 8:16:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just remember, gay people don't make more gay people, straight people give birth to gay people.


So, you are saying their is no gay gene?


RE: What's next?!!...
By p05esto on 7/8/2012 6:37:04 PM , Rating: 2
A gay gene, lol. I think there's a stupid gene as well.... now I've heard everything.


RE: What's next?!!...
By The Raven on 7/6/2012 5:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
Have a sense of humor people. I am making fun of the ignorant.


RE: What's next?!!...
By The Raven on 7/6/2012 5:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
And to the Rick Santorums out there, no, I do not care if someone has multiple partners either! Please get the gov't out of things so sacred as marraige. I don't care what gender your partner and or parteners are.


RE: What's next?!!...
By dark matter on 7/6/2012 5:18:53 AM , Rating: 2
That's no way to speak about your mom, and I've been friends with her for years.


RE: What's next?!!...
By robinthakur on 7/6/2012 7:00:27 AM , Rating: 2
If you demonstrated any intelligence that would be highly offensive,but you seem pretty ignorant.Just remember gay people are created by straight people.


RE: What's next?!!...
By The Raven on 7/6/2012 6:07:09 PM , Rating: 2
If you demonstrated any intelligence you would have gotten the joke.

"What's next, people marrying dogs?" is a common anti-gay marriage "argument".

And what does the level of my intelligence have to do with whether or not my comment was offensive or not? lol


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