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Two BB10 smartphones get an early reveal via leaked slides

Although RIM currently appears to be bleeding out after many self-inflicted knife wounds, new leaked slides show that the company is still hard at work on fresh hardware to headline its BlackBerry 10 operating system. The slides shows two devices, the L-Series (London) full-touch screen device and its N-Series (Nevada) QWERTY keyboard-equipped sibling.
 
Although not much is known about the hardware inside the phones, the L-Series is said to feature a 768x1280 OLED display (356 PPI) and is 2.16" wide. The L-Series looks similar to the dev hardware that was shown off at the official unveil of BlackBerry 10.


[Image Source: N4BB.com]
 
The N-Series' screen size is obviously compromised by its physical keyboard and is limited to a 720x720 screen resolution (330 PPI). The N-Series is slightly narrower at 2.08".
 
For comparison, the iPhone 4S and Galaxy S III weigh in at 326 PPI and 306 PPI respectively.
 
According to N4BB, the L-Series could make its way to the market in September, while those looking for some physical keyboard action with the N-Series will have to wait until the first quarter of 2013.

Source: N4BB.com



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Really?
By bug77 on 6/25/2012 11:00:30 AM , Rating: 2
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those looking for some physical keyboard action with the N-Series will have to wait until the first quarter of 2013


Can you think of anyone waiting almost a year for RIM just because of a keyboard? Wishful thinking, at best...




RE: Really?
By phatboye on 6/25/2012 11:16:44 AM , Rating: 3
The Lack of physical QWERTY keyboards on android phones are one of my biggest gripes with Android. I really don't understand why there aren't more of them being made. Maybe it's just me but I can't get used to sending text/e-mail on touch screens even on an something as large as an iPad I tend to fumble around when typing text. Yet on my old QWERTY keyboard phone from 2009 I can send text with no problem.


RE: Really?
By bug77 on 6/25/2012 11:22:22 AM , Rating: 2
Oh, I agree software keyboard are much harder to use than a plain, hardware, qwerty one. I just don't see someone waiting a year just for that.

I recently discovered Swiftkey which is a very, very good software keyboard. Before that, I liked Swype, but I had two gripes with it. One was that it kept deactivating itself reverting me to the standard keyboard. The second was that while swiping, your finger is obscuring some of the keys so you can't see all the keys all the time.


RE: Really?
By GTVic on 6/25/2012 2:15:04 PM , Rating: 3
I believe they have existing products with a QWERTY keyboard.

Saying that you don't want to wait for a product in development is pointless. Maybe we should slam all the automakers because their 2014 vehicles aren't out yet?


RE: Really?
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 11:37:44 AM , Rating: 2
"The Lack of physical QWERTY keyboards on android phones are one of my biggest gripes with Android."

???. The Droid, Droid pro, Droid 2,3,4 and that is just from Motorola. Samsung has a few, and I am sure there are others that aren't coming to mind at the moment.


RE: Really?
By phatboye on 6/25/2012 12:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
So you've named one brand, namely Droid, which has a QWERTY keyboard. The reason you are having trouble naming the other phones is because most of them are old/outdated or have specs that really aren't that great. I am looking for a high end phone with QWERTY. My hope is that BB delivers on this.


RE: Really?
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 12:56:28 PM , Rating: 2
" I am looking for a high end phone with QWERTY. My hope is that BB delivers on this."

I am not sure what you are expecting... When they were released, they were all fairly high end. The Droid 4 is only a few months old and has an ICS update. I wouldn't be shocked to see a Droid5 or the Samsung Stratosphere updated soon... But dont expect to to be 100% high end like a GX3 or HTC One X.

The very nature of your question is sort of off, because today's "high end" phones are all about large screens and media consumption. Better get used to it. There will be keyboard options, but it will always be out later. the first wave of any new stuff will always have what most people want in mind, and that is NOT a qwerty kb. If you need a qwerty KB, it will always be an afterthought type product. It will always be a new product... then months later, you will see the KB option with many exceptions being made. A "high end" phone has no qwerty. A mid range qwerty option is all you are ever likely to see again.

I hear what you mean, I have a Droid 3 and I got it for the same reason, I wanted the KB. Everyone told me, "dont bother, you will get used to the virtual KB and wont use the qwerty". I didn't believe them, but they were right. I dont use it and will never go back. My advise to you is to get typing on the virtual KB and get good at it... Or get used to mid range phones that come out later.


RE: Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2012 3:36:27 PM , Rating: 2
There's no such thing as a "high end" phone with a keyboard. There hasn't since 2006 lol. Are you serious?


RE: Really?
By phatboye on 6/25/2012 4:47:59 PM , Rating: 2
That is what I said in my post. I don't understand what exactly are you trying to say with this reply.


RE: Really?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2012 5:09:17 PM , Rating: 2
Your post was just nuts, that's why. It's like you actually expect "top end" models should have full keyboards. It's crazy.


RE: Really?
By phatboye on 6/25/2012 5:41:53 PM , Rating: 1
[s] Yeah, I guess you can call me crazy for expecting a top end model cell phone to come with top end hardware. I am one crazy guy. [/s]

Like I said in my original post though it looks like BB may very well bring out a top model cell phone with a QWERTY keyboard and if they do I will be first in line to pick one up.


RE: Really?
By retrospooty on 6/26/2012 2:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
"Yeah, I guess you can call me crazy for expecting a top end model cell phone to come with top end hardware."

That's the point we are trying to make to you... A qwerty kb is no longer a feature of a top end phone.

"like I said in my original post though it looks like BB may very well bring out a top model cell phone with a QWERTY keyboard"

It says right in the artivle above that hte qwerty model will come out 6 months later. That, by default makes our point.

I dont disagree, it would be nice for alot of people if that option were around on top end phones, I just dont see it happening any more.


RE: Really?
By Myrandex on 6/25/2012 1:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
And which carrier are all of those Droid #'s on? That same carrier that absolutely locked down the Droid 2 Global's SIM card slow to not work on US Carriers even though the device physically supported those frequencies in other countries? Yea right...I am not supporting a company that would do that.

Unfortunately, I've yet to find a keyboard as good as the HTC Touch Pro 2. There are some that are close, but none that have it all. 5 rows, good spacing between offset keys, arrow keys, ctrl / shift / alt keys (and yes I used ctrl+c and ctrl+v all the time), etc. That phone's keyboard spoiled me. The OS had plenty of issues (even ran Android on it), but nothing has topped that phone yet.

Jason


RE: Really?
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 2:13:14 PM , Rating: 2
My advise to you is the same as the other above... get used to typing on the virtual KB and get good at it... Or get used to mid range phones that come out later.

Qwerty KB's just aren't going to be on the latest and greatest phones. Hell, even RIM isn't coming out with it until 6 months later per the article above.


Answer me, please?
By Zingam on 6/25/2012 11:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
How is RIM bleeding out if they are still making profit????

All that bad press! I wonder who is paying for it!!! In my country we have a saying:
"If a rumor is passed that your sister is a whore, it is hopeless for you to try to prove to the people that you don't even have a sister."




RE: Answer me, please?
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 11:46:45 AM , Rating: 2
They arent making profit. The BES service is still taking in a good amount of money, but the hardware side is losing it in higher #'s. Both the playbook and the phones are losing duckets.


RE: Answer me, please?
By Zingam on 6/26/2012 8:01:39 AM , Rating: 2
Prove that they are losing money right now. Prove your claim, please!


RE: Answer me, please?
By retrospooty on 6/26/2012 11:33:32 AM , Rating: 2
??? Prove my claim? They release quarterly results publicly and they lost money. It's not like something I made up, its public knowledge as with any publicly traded company.

Furthermore they announce their latest quarterly earnings this Thursday and have already put it out there that they are operating at loss.


RE: Answer me, please?
By ritualm on 6/25/2012 4:07:50 PM , Rating: 2
Massive unsold inventories, continued market share losses, consistently behind schedule, lack of innovation, etc...

Just like Nortel, it went from market darling to pennystock status.


RE: Answer me, please?
By Zingam on 6/26/2012 8:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, this does not mean they are making any losses...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/mar...

Their profits might be lower than before but they are not making any losses yet and they are not dead.

Really! Can anybody tell me why are you all hating Blackberry so much?

BTW. RIM are trying to innovate something that is quite interesting alternative. If they manage to do it properly, BB10 will be so much more than Android or iOS.
RIM has two problems though:
1. They are a bit late
2. They cannot obviously do a proper marketing of their products these days.
Maybe another problem is that they lack focus.


RE: Answer me, please?
By ritualm on 6/26/2012 2:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
Why? Because it's still being run by incompetent leaders after Bastille was shown the door. It was on a decline by the time RIM v. NTP ended. Whatever it's doing now is buying time until excrement really hits the fan.


Nice...
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 10:37:39 AM , Rating: 2
They have hardware that will match other products from earlier this year and an OS that will (hopefully) match Android 4 and IOS6... This will help raise RIM's sale value when they sell it all off.




RE: Nice...
By Bubbacub on 6/25/2012 3:04:41 PM , Rating: 2
the blackberry os is/will be worth nothing. the os is tied to their hardware which is completely obsolete - it is in the same situation that win mobile 6.5 was circa 2007-8. barely alive but everyone knows it going to be extinct very soon.

the quicker they can disentangle BES (the only thing that makes any money from RIM) from the blackberry os and port it to windows mobile/ios/android the more they will get when they have to asset strip RIM


RE: Nice...
By Pirks on 6/25/2012 3:16:10 PM , Rating: 1
Cmon Thorsten, tells us what's inside! I wanna know CPU, GPU and the SCREEN SIZE puhleeeaasse!! I want 4.7" at least, minimum should be 4.3"

It's not too much to ask is it? You're gonna sell the company soon, so if you tell us about the specs the price will go up maybe? So come on, splill the beans ya tall guy :P


RE: Nice...
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 4:47:43 PM , Rating: 2
Is this some sort of a comeback response? Lets see here, everything I said would happen is happening. Everything you said would happen is not happening... So your comeback to this is to sarcastically call me "Thorsten" when I talk about what is happening? I dont get the logic. Like I said, it doesnt take a psychic to see what is going on at RIM. It takes either a blind, or a delusional person to not see it. Clearly you are the latter Pirks.


RE: Nice...
By Pirks on 6/25/2012 5:31:09 PM , Rating: 1
You know the pending RIM sale date and price and what not and you do NOT know the specs of their new phones? This is a lame excuse Thorsten. Very lame.


RE: Nice...
By retrospooty on 6/25/2012 6:03:58 PM , Rating: 2
ugh... reading your posts literally hurts my eyes.


RE: Nice...
By Pirks on 6/25/2012 7:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
Doh. This is even more lame excuse.

Dismissed!


By zephyrprime on 6/26/2012 6:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
Why the heck is the device with a physical keyboard smaller than the device with no keyboard? It makes no sense. The device with the keyboard should be bigger, not smaller. And no slider phone? Give me a break!




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