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Adapters won't come cheap

Apple's iPhone 5 was announced today, and with it came the realization of a smaller dock connector. The 30-pin dock connector has been around for 9 years, and Apple cites its desire for thinner, more svelte devices as the reason to go with the smaller "Lightning" connector.
 
However, those who have accumulated a wealth of 30-pin cables and accessories are going to have to fork over the big bucks to allow them to work with Apple's new Lightning connector. Apple is listing the Lightning to 30-pin adapter for $29 on its online store. Considering that you would need one adapter for each cable/accessory, things could get pricey pretty quickly.

 
New Lightning 8-pin USB cables aren't much cheaper at $19 each.
 
 
 
The best bet for those looking to make the switch is to wait for the cheap Chinese knock-offs to start flooding eBay (it's easy to find current 30-pin USB cables for $1 to $3 each).
 
The positive news is that once all of Apple's mobile devices are equipped with the new Lightning dock, you won't have to worry about the boys from Cupertino switching things up again anytime soon. “This is the new connector for many years to come,” said Apple Senior VP Phil Schiller in an interview with AllThingsD.

Sources: Apple [1], [2], AllThingsD



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Ripoff Artists
By rs2 on 9/12/2012 7:24:30 PM , Rating: 5
It seems that someone in Apple asked 'How do we get more money out of the millions of people who already have iOS accessories that they're happy with and don't want to upgrade?'.

And the answer apparently is "Make a completely unnecessary change to device connectivity so that we can sell overpriced adaptor cables to anyone who wants to keep using their accessories.". Nonsense like that is why I avoid Apple products like the plague.




RE: Ripoff Artists
By gorehound on 9/12/2012 7:52:22 PM , Rating: 2
I do not want to ever give Apple a dime.They will never see me as a Customer.They are nothing but a Ripoff Greedy-Ass Corporation selling Proprietary BS.For my Desktop I will just design and build my own very fast and a lot cheaper Computer and for a smart phone I am still using one of those fliptop dumb phones.
When and if I do go for a smart phone I will not be purchasing an iPhone.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By spread on 9/13/2012 1:47:25 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Ripoff Greedy-Ass Corporation selling Proprietary BS


I want to buy a new mp3 player. I was curious about the iPod Nano because it's tiny and it has a good touchscreen probably so I went to their website and... it has a thunderbolt connector and I have to pay how much for a cable to hook it up?

Screw that. I can buy a teeny tiny Sandisk Sansa for pocket change and it has better format support (like FLAC and OGG) and no bullcrap. A $50 player can do that, and it even has an OLED screen and a miniSD slot for more memory. Why not an iPod? Overpriced Apple garbage.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:02:11 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming you want to have a cellphone, these days they're making MP3 players obsolete (just another gadget to carry with you).


RE: Ripoff Artists
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 12:39:41 AM , Rating: 2
When you run a lot it's nice to have a tiny little player that's dirt cheap that you can replace in case you get caught out in the rain. I've had my Sandisk for years though and been caught out in the rain and it's still chugging along.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Shadowself on 9/14/2012 1:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
Not Thunderbolt. Lightning. The cable comes with the iPod Nano. You don't have to buy a cable to hook up the new iPod Nano with any USB capable computer.

Your other points (e.g., FLACC & OGG support) are certainly valid.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By kmmatney on 10/8/2012 11:08:00 AM , Rating: 2
It will come with a cable, you only have to buy one if you want a second one. I've tried buying cheaper MP3 players and always regretted it, while every iPod has been great, especially the battery life. My original shuffle still runs great after many years of use.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Tony Swash on 9/12/12, Rating: 0
RE: Ripoff Artists
By rs2 on 9/12/2012 8:48:02 PM , Rating: 2
And who might you be? Apple PR?

I love technological advancement and change, which is why I visit tech sites. However this new "all digital" connector is not technological advancement. It doesn't even fall into the category of 'change for the sake of change'. Instead it's a frivolous and unnecessary change that was clearly made solely so that Apple can sell ridiculously overpriced adapter cables to people who already have iDevice accessories and want to continue using them. That's what I find agitating.

As for it "not being possible" to keep the previous form-factor, that is complete nonsense. Just because some high-level corporate figurehead says something doesn't make it true. You can review the evidence yourself; here's a side-by-side comparison of the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4S:

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/09/iphone-5-vs-iph...

The iPhone 5 is not that much thinner, and it is clearly still more than thick enough to support the old-style connector. In fact, the new connector does not appear to be much thinner at all. It is narrower, certainly, but the thickness is almost unchanged.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Tony Swash on 9/13/12, Rating: -1
RE: Ripoff Artists
By FITCamaro on 9/13/2012 8:10:04 AM , Rating: 2
Given that probably roughly half of users will buy at least one of these adapters? Yes. $30 * 5 million sales = $150 million in revenue. That's figuring 10 million sold which might happen in just the first few weeks alone.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Tony Swash on 9/13/2012 12:20:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Given that probably roughly half of users will buy at least one of these adapters? Yes. $30 * 5 million sales = $150 million in revenue. That's figuring 10 million sold which might happen in just the first few weeks alone.


Apple earns $150 million revenue every six hours. For Apple it's peanuts. I repeat only a fool would think the primary reason for making this change was to make a few extra bucks. Hate Apple by all means but try not to let it undermine your intelligence or judgement, especially in public.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By jeffkro on 9/13/2012 12:45:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yup they make this level of income by trying to force customers to stay within the apple universe from multimedia to accessories, etc. Personally I prefer choice.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Tony Swash on 9/13/2012 1:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yup they make this level of income by trying to force customers to stay within the apple universe from multimedia to accessories, etc. Personally I prefer choice.


Apple doesn't force it's customers to do anything, they flock to Apple with huge enthusiasm because they love Apple's products. Hard for you to swallow I know but still true. Apple's products may not be the right ones for you but to try to pretend that they are not genuinely hugely popular is just being deliberately obtuse.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 12:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and people also watch Jersey Shore. I don't understand any of it really.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Mitch101 on 9/14/2012 6:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
Adapter Turns iPod Speaker Docks into Wireless Bluetooth Speakers
http://craziestgadgets.com/2012/06/21/adapter-turn...

Break the iMonopoly and use any bluetooth phone (Android, Blackberry, Windows) or device (iPad, computer) with any iPod dock. The Bluewave Bluetooth Audio Receiver connects directly to any 30-pin iPhone speaker accessory and pairs wirelessly with your Bluetooth device.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
They may not have made the change to make a few extra bucks but they probably did change it to another proprietary connector instead of a standardized one to make a few extra bucks. The world already had a sufficient variety of connectors to choose from.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:18:19 PM , Rating: 2
From a mechanical strength and current carrying perspective I don't like it when connectors are shrunk. For example I find use of microUSB ridiculous when it only saves 2mm over miniUSB.

On the other hand while the phone itself isn't much thinner, the connector obviously is leaving room for something else above or below it, as well as being narrower which leaves more space for other electronics, heatsinking, or even a good ole air gap for better ventilation so it heats up less than it otherwise would. However, I wrote it isn't much thinner but what if the 18% shrink from 9.3mm to 7.6mm was directly attributable to the connector thickness reduction?

Given apple's desire to make this as thin and light as possible given the specs it has, I'm sure they took pains to make everything as small as they can do so (hopefully) without sacrificing reliability. The old connector seemed ridiculous anyway but what I'd have liked to see instead is a miniUSB3 connector. Not that it really matters to me, I don't own an iPhone and have no plans to in the future but I don't like the trend of using proprietary connectors at all. The whole point of standards was to relieve us of this issue.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By room200 on 9/13/12, Rating: 0
RE: Ripoff Artists
By jRaskell on 9/14/2012 11:37:51 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The current connector for iDevices is nearly a decade old. That's a very long time in the world of technology. Apple drops old technology when it's usefulness passes and embraces the new. They have done that many times before and will do so many times in the future.


Let's be clear about the definition of usefulness though. The only usefulness Apple truly cares about is the kind that supplements their bank account.

If Apple truly prioritized the good of their customer, then they would be using non-proprietary connectors for all their devices. The only benefit Lightning offers over the various open standard connectors available is the sales and licensing agreements it brings to Apples wallet. Ditto for their previous connector.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By chris2618 on 9/14/2012 5:41:33 PM , Rating: 1
"drops old technology when it's usefulness passes"

You mean like the new MacBook with no ethernet, firewire, VGA, microphone jack and no optical drive. Yeah i do understand you can buy adapters but that does seem to be Apples new phrase;

"There's an adapter for that."


RE: Ripoff Artists
By christojojo on 9/14/2012 5:59:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple drops old technology when it's usefulness passes and embraces the new.


The technology that comes to mind that Apple failed to embrace are the SD slots on Ipod/phones and The Blu-ray. Which they force you to buy an external (cumbersome) add-on device instead of being built in.

Apple inc is about control and convincing those that buy into it that it is the best.

Sometimes their products are nice to use (my Ipod Touch) others are over priced and or over rated. The operating system OSx, and most Macs. (My opinion.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By lowsidex2 on 9/13/2012 8:48:50 AM , Rating: 2
Here's an idea: Don't buy the phone if you don't like buying new accessories or adapters.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By jeffkro on 9/13/2012 12:50:17 PM , Rating: 3
Done and done


RE: Ripoff Artists
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
Here's an even better idea: Whine about it on the internet so Apple sees the thoughts of potential customers. In this day and age companies DO watch what is being written about them, there's even specialized software out there that searches the internet and reports topics, let alone a good ole Google search in the PR dept.


RE: Ripoff Artists
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 12:48:25 AM , Rating: 5
Post about it on Apple's forums and likely the same thing will happen last time people posted stuff they didn't like. They'll just delete them.
The Apple way!


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Natch on 9/13/2012 1:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, it just got a whole bunch better! CNN Money is now reporting that "Apple's $30 Lightning adapter won't work with old speakers"!!

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/13/technology/apple-l...

So now, Apple fanboys can spend their money, and waste it too! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!


RE: Ripoff Artists
By Sertis on 9/13/2012 3:25:48 PM , Rating: 2
I think CNN read that wrong. iPod out refers to a video out / control system used for car integration (which in turn means no Video out since it would need a video DAC). This ipod adapter probably contains a cheap D/A converter (all digital interface right?) for audio, and perhaps a line level / protocol converter to support the serial interface used for remote controls. This is immensely frustrating since they could easily have passed analog audio out (with no additional components) through the dock connector as well, if they didn't make the plug "reversible". They probably pulled video out since they'd prefer if everyone just used Airplay and spend another $99 for each locale.


By corduroygt on 9/12/2012 6:12:07 PM , Rating: 2
1 week? 1 month? 3 months? before they have a $1.99 version with free shipping from Hong Kong?




By retrospooty on 9/12/2012 6:30:26 PM , Rating: 4
Gotta get in there quick and make it sound not as bad as it is dont ya? Yes, having a cable shipped from Hong Kong via Ebay is a great customer service... Meanwhile every other phone built on planet Earth in the past 5 years has a standard micro-usb connector.


By GulWestfale on 9/12/2012 10:48:26 PM , Rating: 5
but micro USB just isn't "magical"...


By Omega215D on 9/13/2012 5:10:59 AM , Rating: 2
Still trying to figure out how they got away with it in the EU since I keep hearing that they are strict about adhering to standards.

Anyhow, the new connector won't allow video or iPod out


By Omega215D on 9/13/2012 5:40:38 AM , Rating: 2
Ouch, it'll cost money for a USB adapter

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-comforts-Euro...


By jeffkro on 9/13/2012 12:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
The micro USB is magical because its a standard, when I buy a new phone all of my old car charges, cables, and what not are still usable. Plus I can charge any other mobile device with the same stuff.


By johnnycanadian on 9/12/2012 6:39:49 PM , Rating: 5
Apple's refusing to license the "Lightning" specification so any knock-offs that become available will:

a) Not ship because Apple will sue the manufacturer into oblivion.

b) Fall apart the moment you try to plug it in to your iPhone 5.

c) Short out your iPhone due to shoddy plug workmanship causing a massive Lithium-Polymer battery fire. You'll pass out from toxic fumes and perish in the resulting blaze.

Bah. Nice proprietary solution. I genuinely like some Apple products but their policies make it very difficult to whip out the ol' credit card.


By Camikazi on 9/12/2012 7:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
Unless Apple doesn't want anyone to make any peripherals for the new iPhone they will need to give information on how to connect to it. Doing so will allow people to figure out how to make a knockoff, plus they can just buy a real one and copy it like they do with most Chinese cheap iPhone chargers. Since most of the cheap ones are made in China Apple will have a very hard time stopping them from being made or sold since China doesn't care what Apple wants.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/12/2012 8:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
The Chinese will get knockoffs here faster than you think, keep an eye on Monoprice.

And yeah, I laughed out loud when I saw the price of the adapter. Good thing all I need is the cable that already comes in the box.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/12/2012 8:43:10 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Good thing all I need is the cable that already comes in the box.


Lucky you ;)

I have:

-Cable on nightstand for iPhone
-Cable on nightstand for iPad
-Cable at my desk
-Cable downstairs at the kitchen island
-Proprietary cable in my car for iPhone
-Two cables in my Timbuk2 iPad Messenger bag


By TakinYourPoints on 9/13/2012 12:34:44 AM , Rating: 2
That's a lot of cables. :)

I have one that plugs into my iPhone by my bed. Simple, easy.

I also have one that plugs into my iPad. I won't be using that with the iPhone 5 and I won't be replacing it for quite a while so it isn't a big deal.

So yeah, just the cables they came with.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/13/2012 12:36:24 AM , Rating: 2
It also helps that I don't have any stereo docks or anything, all I use is Airplay to my home theater.


By Samus on 9/13/2012 1:57:35 AM , Rating: 3
Copying a cable isn't rocket science. The new cables will be available from HK in a week, and they will probably work fine. It's not like we're talking long distance, high voltage cables here...

However, I agree with the OP, if they're making an adapter, why not just make one for Micro USB as well? This proprietary design philosophy over at Apple is BS.


By theapparition on 9/13/2012 4:26:31 PM , Rating: 2
Not quite so sure of that.

As has been reported, Apple requires licensing of their lightning port. I believe a TPM module is actually installed in the cable end (Trusted Platform Module). Only recognized keys will work.

In other words, you're going to have to pay Apple for a license if you want to make accessories. No cheap Chinese knockoffs for you.


By jeffkro on 9/13/2012 12:41:35 PM , Rating: 3
Yup, anti-consumer policies. I really don't get the apple loyalists.


Piss off, Apple
By quiksilvr on 9/12/2012 6:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
You know you could have used micro-usb 3.0, but you just felt like trolling.




RE: Piss off, Apple
By shabby on 9/12/2012 7:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps it is usb3, usb3 also has 9 pins, perhaps apple just took those 9 pins and added their magic to it and voila... the lightning connector.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By rs2 on 9/12/2012 7:27:10 PM , Rating: 3
What magic would that be? The magic of selling unnecessary "all digital" cable adapters to suckers for $29 apiece? Because that's a pretty good trick.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By FITCamaro on 9/12/2012 10:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
Inside the insulation, the wires for each adapter are wrapped in human skin.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:25:08 PM , Rating: 3
lol, "there's a little piece of Steve in every cable we sell."


RE: Piss off, Apple
By shabby on 9/12/2012 10:41:23 PM , Rating: 2
Who wants analogue connectors? Apple brings us all digital! ;)


RE: Piss off, Apple
By BZDTemp on 9/13/2012 1:18:50 PM , Rating: 2
It's been done before.

In a something that is quickly becoming a long time ago Microsoft put a gaming console on the market called XBOX. Terrified that the general public should spot it for the mediocre PC it really was and also greedy like only a big IT company can be they tried to hide the PC. The thing had four special connection ports on the front meaning only Microsoft gear could be used(at first) only the four ports was actually just USB ports shaped differently.

Microsoft did similar crap with other parts of the XBOX connectors and if you look at the 360 you'll find similar issues.

This is of course just examples. My point here is that Apple is now as evil as Microsoft.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By andrewaggb on 9/17/2012 1:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
While that's true about the original xbox, the 360 uses standard usb ports and the controllers work just fine in windows. Kinect is slightly different, but that's because (as I understand it) it has power requirements that exceeded the usb ports on the xbox 360. So you need an adapter to provide power input.

However, the wireless controllers aren't bluetooth unfortunately, so they aren't as standards friendly as sony's.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By mellomonk on 9/12/2012 7:21:38 PM , Rating: 2
Find the more in depth tech docs about the dock connectors. USB3 is not the functional equivalent of the dock connector. The consistent spec, functionality, and reasonable licenses terms has created an entire eco-system of accessories and the like that does not exist for USB yet.

More power to anyone who can create even more revenue while providing opportunities for others. Not to mention adding additional functionality.


RE: Piss off, Apple
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:27:46 PM , Rating: 1
or at least it'll help redistribute some of the iSheeples' money.


Things could get pricey... really?
By anactoraaron on 9/12/2012 8:26:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple is listing the Lightning to 30-pin adapter for $29 on its online store. Considering that you would need one adapter for each cable/accessory, things could get pricey pretty quickly.


Or you could be intelligent and remove the adapter when you remove the phone from whatever accessory/cable you had it plugged into.

Nowhere is it mentioned that once you connect one of these adapters it's permanent and can't be removed...




RE: Things could get pricey... really?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/12/2012 9:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
If you like carrying around adapters with you wherever you're going to be, then fine.

If you have a Radio/Alarm dock at home, an iPhone hookup in your car, and a dock at work, are you really going to carry around the adapter with you at all times or leave it plugged into your phone?

Most people would rather have the adapter stay attached to those respective accessories than carry YET ANOTHER piece with them.


RE: Things could get pricey... really?
By anactoraaron on 9/12/2012 11:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
I always am amused by how thin apple keeps making iPhones as if it is done intentionally as if they expect everyone will buy a case for it and don't want the phone to look too thick even with a case surrounding it. I personally just don't see the appeal of a super thin lightweight expensive small device that will break into a thousand pieces when dropped. How many iPhones do you see these days naked? The only reason to have a thin and light device is... what exactly?

It seems to me there's an opportunity for someone to make a few bucks by inventing some kind of sleek case that has one of these adapters attached to it (or have the capability of someone adding an adapter to it) in such a way as to conceal it (the adapter) when it's not being used while at the same time maintaining a sleek form factor. If someone does this (and charges a reasonable price for it) then your problems are solved :)

...or you could buy an android or wp7 device and have a standard connection without the worry that it will be changed requiring you to buy an adapter :P


By ritualm on 9/13/2012 6:13:54 AM , Rating: 2
No microUSB, no deal, even if it's Apple.

As it currently stands, I'm keeping my eyes out for a knockoff Dock 2.0-to-microUSB adapter on Amazon because $30 for something this ordinary is an ocean freighter full of BS.


RE: Things could get pricey... really?
By Dr of crap on 9/13/2012 8:03:30 AM , Rating: 3
"...or you could buy an android or wp7 device and have a standard connection without the worry that it will be changed requiring you to buy an adapter :P"

No, you can't do that. What fun would that be?
It has to be Apple or nothing.
I'm rushing out and standing in line over night to get - what - a phone?? Yea right!


By bupkus on 9/13/2012 9:33:16 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm rushing out and standing in line over night to get - what - a phone?? Yea right!
I wouldn't even do that to get laid.


One adapter
By Jeremy87 on 9/12/2012 6:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Considering that you would need one adapter for each cable/accessory, things could get pricey pretty quickly.
Surely you only have one iPhone that you will connect to only one cable/accessory at a time?




RE: One adapter
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/12/2012 7:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
That's assuming you only use ONE cable/accessory and don't mind carrying around an adapter with you to plug into your car, use at work, etc.


RE: One adapter
By seamonkey79 on 9/12/2012 10:43:21 PM , Rating: 3
Never mind the form fitting adapter in a number of $50,000+ cars that won't work with the new larger size of the phone, never mind the adapter wart stuck on the end of it.


RE: One adapter
By lawrance on 9/13/2012 4:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
Um, my car uses USB and 3.5mm Headphone jack for connecting devices. Of course my iPHone connects through USB to the stereo fine, my Android device does not.


RE: One adapter
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/13/2012 7:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
My car uses a proprietary connector. It has both a 3.5mm connector and a USB on one end to hook up to my iPhone and navigate/charge it.


Idiots
By Shadowself on 9/12/2012 6:48:01 PM , Rating: 4
Anyone who actually pays $29 for this adapter is an idiot.

Apple is just proving to the world how stupid -- in the extreme -- a corporation can be by charging this much. It shouldn't be over $9.99 even at "Apple prices". The gross margin on these in full production at $29 has to be something like 95% or more.




RE: Idiots
By dsumanik on 9/12/2012 9:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has em by the balls there is no choice, not immediately, but eventually as all devices get on this new connector users will be faced with a tough choice.

Buy the adapter or buy a whole new dock/device...some of which are very expensive, or built in like in vehicles.

Its really ignorant, and a shameless cash grab.

Still USB 2.o9, and the dock doesnt support video or ipod out either.

Its actually a step back from what we have now, and costs way more.


RE: Idiots
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/12, Rating: 0
RE: Idiots
By Mitch101 on 9/14/2012 6:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
If you have any Apple dock systems get one of these and you can use any Blu-Tooth enabled device.
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Bluetooth-Receiver-...

Android or Windows Phone on any iPhone/iPod docking unit - Wirelessly.

BTW these can be found cheaper if you look around.


Plus/Minus
By Kyuu on 9/12/2012 7:31:13 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously, $30 for the adapter is an absurd markup, but that's par for the course for Apple on accessories. Hardly a surprise.

On the other hand, I can say one good thing about the new connector: it supports USB 3.0. I don't know of any other phones with connectors that support anything beyond USB 2.0. Although I'm not sure if the NAND used in smartphones are even capable of read/write speeds that can saturate a USB 2.0 interface, let alone 3.0...




RE: Plus/Minus
By Kyuu on 9/12/2012 7:58:02 PM , Rating: 2
Waitaminnut, I could've sworn I saw something saying it supports USB 3.0, but now I'm seeing that it doesn't and I can't find the source that I thought said it does. So, I may just be an idiot.


RE: Plus/Minus
By dsumanik on 9/12/2012 8:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong, the new cable is only USB 2.0

ten year old technology for 19 bucks a cable, and 30 for the adapter.


RE: Plus/Minus
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:32:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yes if they wished to exceed USB2's bottleneck it would be trivial to use a multi-channel memory access design. Even many contemporary $5 USB flash drives are read speed limited by USB2


Tech weenies weeping and wailing
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 9:37:58 AM , Rating: 2
Even knowing the large luddite contingent that frequents these forums I was surprised, no shocked, by the amount of weeping and wailing by tech weenies about a cable almost none of them will buy. Their shock and horror that technology actually changes is saddening.

Elsewhere more rational discourse was possible.

quote:
People keep asking why Apple didn’t opt for the micro-USB connector. The answer is simple: that connector isn’t smart enough. It has only 5 pins: +5V, Ground, 2 digital data pins, and a sense pin, so most of the dock connector functions wouldn’t work – only charging and syncing would. Also, the pins are so small that no current plug/connector manufacturer allows the 2A needed for iPad charging.

This takes us back to the sensing circuitry referred to. If one of the pins is reserved for sensing – even if it is the “dumb” sensing type that Apple has used in the previous generation, using resistors to ground – and two pins are mapped directly to the 2 USB data pins, the other 5 pins can be switched at will to whatever function is necessary. For instance, if the USB-to-Lightning cable is used, the data pins can signal whether the USB side is plugged to a charger or to a computer’s USB port, and the other 5 pins can be used for charging current without overloading any single pin.

This also explains the size (and price) of the Lightning-to-30 pin adapter. It has to demultiplex the new digital signals and generate most of the old 30-pin signals, including audio and serial transmit and receive.


http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/

Gruber nailed it.

quote:
Apple’s choices came down to:

Stick with the existing 30-pin port, despite it being old, ugly, and so thick that it had become the limiting factor for how thin and small devices could be.

Switch to an industry standard that, though small, was not as elegant or well-designed as what Apple could do on its own, and would cost Apple its control over the peripheral market. (And we’d still need dongles for existing 30-pin peripherals.)

Invent something new and proprietary that looks and works exactly how Apple wants it to.

If you think Apple spent much time pondering anything but the third option, you don’t understand Apple. ?



http://daringfireball.net




RE: Tech weenies weeping and wailing
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 10:46:50 AM , Rating: 1
And yet, no one is shocked at how much of an Apple Douchebag you are...


RE: Tech weenies weeping and wailing
By Tony Swash on 9/14/2012 11:27:40 AM , Rating: 2
Another tech free comment - do you actually care about technology and technical change and progress? I don't think so. You just seem consumed by a weird obsessive hatred for a company whose products you don't own. What a sad specimen you are.


By Cheesew1z69 on 9/14/2012 1:04:47 PM , Rating: 1
It's quite obvious you don't, by your pathetic support of Apple and the ridiculous lawsuit bullshit that you are ok with.

Only sad specimen is you, not only sad, but pathetically sad.


By Shadowself on 9/14/2012 1:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
The point is NOT Apple creating a new connector.

The point is NOT Apple selling adapters to go between the old and new connectors.

The point is NOT Apple pushing a proprietary connector.

The point IS... (wait for it)...

Apple is charging an absolutely, undeniably absurd price for this adapter.

Apple could sell 100 million of these in the next year or so (there are *several* hundred million accessories out there with the old connector). If Apple dropped the price to $9.99 each Apple could rake in as much as $1 billion over the next year or so.

Instead, Apple will rape people for $29 (or $39 with an integral cord) and probably sell one million of them.

Yes, Apple probably will make the same pre-tax profit either way. But in the lower price variant, Apple does not piss off it's user base!


What about Europe?
By lightfoot on 9/12/2012 6:29:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
“This is the new connector for many years to come,” said Apple Senior VP Phil Schiller in an interview with AllThingsD.

Whatever happened to Europe mandating a universal micro-USB cellphone charger?? Was Apple somehow excluded from that requirement?




RE: What about Europe?
By retrospooty on 9/12/2012 6:31:48 PM , Rating: 3
It is mandated, I believe Apple supplies an adaptor for European models rather than just going Micro USB. This way thay can make thier $30 cable profits and call it customer service.


What to do, what to do...
By bupkus on 9/13/2012 9:44:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think I have a solution... I don't own anything by Apple.
No problem, no arguments, no-- I say this, you say that.
"Embrace the new"-- gotta love that one.

I think I'd rather watch my cats play than read any more of this crap. Come on, folks, join me and have more fun doing whatever-- anything but this absolute nonsense. You can't win this argument. In fact, it's encouraged by vendors so you must choose and buy at least one of them.
Don't buy into any of this.
Ever try Swedish Almond toast with really good coffee?




RE: What to do, what to do...
By mindless1 on 9/13/2012 1:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, the only way to win the game is not to play.


SCAM CITY 2000
By dsumanik on 9/12/2012 7:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
WHERE THE PHUCK IS USB3 AND THUNDERBOLT SUPPORT?

SCAM FAIL SCAM FAIL




$30 in the US and $35 in AUS
By taylortheking on 9/12/2012 9:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
Its a joke they think they can charge the US $30 and when the Australian $ is about 1=1 how come we then get charged an extra $5? The distance between China and Australia is a lot closer than the USA.

Extreme Apple markups and the fact that all tech selling in Aus is boosted pointlessly.




Leaning tower of iPizza.
By drycrust3 on 9/13/2012 2:30:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The 30-pin dock connector has been around for 11 years

Looking at the size of the two connectors, I do wonder how strong the plastic is, and how easily it will break, e.g. can it break under "normal" use.




What a rip-off!
By lawrance on 9/13/2012 4:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
I'm an Apple user but this just pisses me off. I heard these were going to be $10 each. Which would still be on the high side but at least doable. I won't even consider these at this price. I'll just buy new speaker systems and sell my old ones on eBay. Or do what many of you said... wait until MonoPrice stocks them for $3.99 each.




free
By cyberserf on 9/18/2012 9:28:21 AM , Rating: 2
Apple needs to include 1 free with every item that has a new connector.




Apple magic
By Tony Swash on 9/13/12, Rating: -1
"Google fired a shot heard 'round the world, and now a second American company has answered the call to defend the rights of the Chinese people." -- Rep. Christopher H. Smith (R-N.J.)














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