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Android 4.1 is expected to be revealed at Google I/O

When it comes to smartphone operating systems, it appears as though all the major players are preparing updates. Apple recently revealed iOS 6. Microsoft this week took the wraps off Windows Phone 8. Beleaguered RIM is hoping to right its sinking ship with the BlackBerry 10 OS.
Not to be left out, Google is readying its follow-up to Android 4.0 “Ice Cream Sandwich”. Google's next operating system release was hinted at today via a slip-up on Google Play. The site listed the Galaxy Nexus smartphone as being available with Android 4.1 "Jelly Bean". The listing also notes that the OS is arriving “soon”, so all signs are pointing to it being announced next week at the Google I/O conference.

Nobody knows what Google has planned for the OS update, but we should expect to see Chrome take center stage as the primary browser for Jelly Bean instead of being a seperate download. Given the 4.1 designation for Jelly Bean, don't count on a drastic overhaul of the operating system -- it looks as though we'll have to wait for Android 5.0 for that to happen. 

Source: Droid-Life

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what was the point of this article?
By bjacobson on 6/21/2012 6:05:16 PM , Rating: 3
Nice to know that 4.1 is coming out.
What about it's features?

RE: what was the point of this article?
By haukionkannel on 6/21/2012 6:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
Article said that there will be very little new, so this is more like polished version of ice cream, nothing more.
Hopefully less bugs and faster responces...

By WalksTheWalk on 6/22/2012 10:29:01 AM , Rating: 2
I hope they also combine the app space and storage space into the same partition and just make the storage folders available to browse via the file system. This would make the overall storage space usage more efficient and flexible.

Out of the box DLNA support baked into the OS would also be a big win for sharing content with other devices; especially for high-definition video.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By Sivar on 6/22/2012 11:20:12 AM , Rating: 3
Only Google has the resources to figure out how to polish ice cream.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By Samus on 6/22/2012 12:04:44 PM , Rating: 2
Is it me or should they be focusing on their partner's instead of pushing forward on a new OS when the majority of Android devices are still running 2.2 and 2.3? There are only THREE phones currently shipping with ICS, so what good does 4.1 do if nobody is going to be running it?

This is like Microsoft pushing forward on Windows 8 when the majority of people are still running Windows 98 with no upgrade path. And yes, from a kernel and UI level, ICS and Gingerbread are THAT different, although only two generations apart.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By Trisped on 6/22/2012 4:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
It takes time for hardware to be developed for a new platform or OS. You could develop your device based on the beta builds (if they are available) but that requires a large investment in something which will probably change 1000 times before it finally makes it to product.

I expect we will see a lot more ICS phones around Christmas with maybe a phone or two running 4.1 (though phones will be in development which run 4.1). Also remember that companies are selling older Android phones at the feature phone price level. These phones running 2.2 and 2.3 are using older hardware, not designed for 4.0, but are also a lot cheaper.

As for Microsoft, when they release a new OS, they discontinue the older one. As soon as Vista came out you could no longer get XP. As soon as 7 came out you could no longer get Vista, even if you wanted it. The chance of a user being on XP and wanting to upgrade to Windows 7 and their hardware supporting it is very low.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By zephyrprime on 6/25/2012 2:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
Oh really? If it costs that much how is it that a group which makes no money like CyanogenMod is able to make ICS updates for many devices which do not have official ICS build available and for free? The truth is that it does't cost much money or time to port ICS at all if you already have a complete knowledge of the device (which manufacturers do) and you already have a working version of Android 3.x. The reason manufacturer's don't release ICS for their existing devices (excluding really old devices that can't handle it) is because there is no profit motive to do so. Not having the new os available on the existing handsets just provides and additional reason to get users to upgrade to their new handsets. Also, a company won't even spend small amounts of money to adapt the new os because they simply won't spend even small amounts of money unless they can make a profit doing so.

Also, XP was sold for a long time (years) after Vista came out. Microsoft usually continues selling the old OS even after the new one comes out for a while. XP was sold for a long time though because Vista sucked so much.

By trisct on 6/25/2012 3:19:37 PM , Rating: 2
But how many people would put up with updates to their devices that didn't support the GPU, or the microphone, or the camera...?

CM9 is a great effort, but don't talk about it like it is a polished product. It focuses on the main OS, but its the peripherals that take more time and effort to bake in.

By AmyLadybug on 6/24/2012 11:32:10 PM , Rating: 2
Is this Sivar from PH?!

RE: what was the point of this article?
By Brandon Hill on 6/21/2012 6:27:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody knows anything about 4.1. My best guess (included in the article) is that Google will have a native Chrome browser to replace the current stock internet browser. This is pretty much a given.

Everything else is up in the air.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By gibb3h on 6/22/2012 3:45:03 AM , Rating: 2
Still wish flash was available on Chrome, kinda tired of having to have 2 browsers installed for different sites

RE: what was the point of this article?
By quiksilvr on 6/22/2012 9:15:29 AM , Rating: 2
That always confused the hell out of me. Why wasn't the Android Browser just Chrome the whole time? You know, like a separate app like GMail, Maps or YouTube that can be upgraded regardless of what the OS is on the system.

Only problem now is that the new Chrome browser has no flash support, which kinda sucks because not all YouTube videos are mp4 and some videos don't even show up in the YouTube app: you NEED flash to see some of these.

By WalksTheWalk on 6/22/2012 10:22:18 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of Chrome on Android in its current beta state. It needs some more work before it can compete with the default ICS browser.

It needs to have page render options and website specific render options. The default page render isn't nearly as good as the stock browser. It also needs smoother scrolling transitions. It frequently whites out the page while scrolling.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By amanojaku on 6/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: what was the point of this article?
By wordsworm on 6/21/2012 7:49:13 PM , Rating: 2
I can understand a group of bloggers writing articles to get clicks: to make a living doing what they enjoy doing.

Now, what I don't get, is why you keep coming to DT to post pointless responses like this. Maybe you can answer that question.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By amanojaku on 6/21/2012 8:24:36 PM , Rating: 2
The OP asked a legitimate question, I gave a legitimate answer. You don't think the DT staff writes this stuff for fun, do you? It doesn't seem like that to me, anyway. Additionally, I post useful responses. Like this, for example.

It's not like you have a reputation for the most game-changing comments, either.

This article didn't need to be written. You could say I shouldn't have clicked on it, but how was I supposed to know it wouldn't say anything useful until I read it? I've been a member of DT for six years, but it's slowly going downhill. I'm not the only one who thinks so.
If you want to have fun come to Daily Tech. If you want informed tech news, Anandtech has your back.
I am beginning to agree with that. I used to just think people complaining about the lack of integrity at DT as just people whining and/or disagreeing with the opinion of the writer, but the more time goes by, the more I see it.

I'm not ready to bail on DT just yet, but it's occurred to me a few times. Does that answer your question?

By morphologia on 6/21/2012 9:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
The bottom line is, it's proven newsworthy if people read it. It's vindicated even further if people read it thoroughly, then dissect it in excruciating detail in a manic effort to prove it shouldn't exist. You've proven the worth of the article you claim is worthless.

Anyway, brief preview pieces like this one aren't meant to shake the world, they feed curiosity and provide interesting tidbits to consider. People who take them too seriously just make themselves a sideshow.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By wordsworm on 6/21/2012 9:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't entirely agree with your assessment. Masher was a joke. Getting rid of him was an improvement. I enjoy reading some of Tiffany's work. She's been around for about a year I think. Kristopher was a good contributor, but I don't see him around any more. Jason has probably gone a bit right wing (to make up for Masher's departure perhaps), but maybe it's just the way his politics are causing him to slide. But, it's not really all that bad. It does provide a bit of entertainment at the end of the day.

As for reputation, I didn't even know I had one.

RE: what was the point of this article?
By Ringold on 6/21/2012 9:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
Masher had, by a mile, I think the most extensive engineering knowledge at DT, and more then most tech websites in general, which tend to be programmer types or just enthusiasts. He was the only one that truly knew what the heck he was talking about on matters like nuclear energy. People simply hated him pointing out flaws and abuses in the global warming science, primarily in the vein of the science can stand on its own but scientists too often warped, manipulated or outright fabricated things to fit their agenda. He also caught a little hate for pointing out the unfortunate facts that renewable energy was a waste of money in a cost-benefit analysis sense, particularly a couple years ago before China started trying to get rich taking Europeans money for subsidized wind and solar equipment and we ended up with a supply glut when hard times trimmed some subsidies.

Might've disagreed with his politics, but his facts were usually straight on: GISS had been turned in to that one guys personal crusade army, and nuclear was, from an engineering perspective, not at all what greens made it out to be.

DT, I think, has been reduced without him. Kristopher being AWOL isn't cool, either.

By wordsworm on 6/22/2012 9:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
Nuclear isn't as clear cut as a lot of folks here wish it was. I'm not sure what expertise he had as an engineer.

There is a lot of abuse in science, I agree. There are a lot of people in the field who believe that they are super intelligent creatures who ought to be given all the milk in the gov'ts teat to keep on doing their research. Give me a billion dollar toy and I'm sure I could do some pretty funky stuff with it, too.

In any event, Jason seems to have picked up the torch after Masher. You, Reclaimer, and Fit, are probably the three most diametrically opposed to my own philosophies in politics. I miss his more speculative writing that he did while Masher was writing.

Nuclear has a lot more going against it than the reds would have you believe. :)

RE: what was the point of this article?
By nafhan on 6/22/2012 8:34:26 AM , Rating: 2
A "legitimate" answer would have been contextually relevant. Your answer provided a self serving avenue for making negative comments about this website... pretty off topic.

I saw Android 4.1 "announcements" across a number of tech websites. So, I'd say that, at minimum, the tech writing community finds this newsworthy.

I almost didn't say anything because I kind of agree with what you're saying (if not how you're doing it), but it's the internet and you're wrong! I'm essentially obligated to say something. :)

RE: what was the point of this article?
By amanojaku on 6/22/2012 9:33:01 AM , Rating: 2
My answer was contextually relevant. The question was "what was the point of this article?" The article said nothing about Android that we didn't already know, namely, that Android 4.1 is expected to debut next week based on a link in Google Play.

Except that it was speculation, and even if it was true, we already saw the Android roadmap last year that said Jelly Bean was to be released in Q2. I'm looking forward to the new release, but at least write an article with hardcore facts. DT is not a blog.

As to how I did it, I don't think I was rude to the OP. Seeing as how the DT staff has kept silent, they either don't care that I insulted them, or feel what I said is true.

By nafhan on 6/22/2012 11:49:21 AM , Rating: 2
That's your context that you were using to frame your discussion of a tangentially related issue. The context of the comment you were responding to would have included at least the rest of the comment, which seemed to indicate that the question was regarding the lack of details of a specific cell phone software update rather than the internal politics of a news blog.

Also, this is about the same amount of actual info that other websites have regarding this issue (and despite the dearth of info, a number of websites are reporting about it). So, not a great example of why DT is so terrible...

By NellyFromMA on 6/22/2012 8:28:42 AM , Rating: 1
Wow, really? Are you sure?

By Jeffk464 on 6/21/2012 10:06:56 PM , Rating: 2
I just wish google would hurry up with their android@home project. It should definitely be the next great feature for android.

By sleepeeg3 on 6/22/2012 3:06:31 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully they patch the battery drain on ICS. I have used a barebone GUI and the CM9 Nightly w/SetCPU and the battery drain on ICS is twice as bad as Gingerbread. I am flashing back to CM7 as soon as I get the chance. ICS is overrated.

By overlandpark4me on 6/28/2012 1:51:07 AM , Rating: 2
Features? In a "story" with a cute jellybean picture, and an "eye catching" headline. Why ruin it with actual substance, lol.

Good Lord
By Apone on 6/21/2012 8:15:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still waiting for 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich that was promised to us by VZ (OTA) months ago; sick of running v. 2.1.xx (yes I know it's possible to root my HTC Thunderbolt but I would like to not possibly brick my phone and be forced to lose my grandfathered-in unlimited data plan since replacing my phone would require an upgrade).

RE: Good Lord
By Jeffk464 on 6/21/2012 10:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
If you follow directions you shouldn't brick your phone.

RE: Good Lord
By retrospooty on 6/21/2012 10:37:03 PM , Rating: 2
You wont brick it, its not like it was years ago, if anything goes wrong, just go back to the original ROM. Its way easy, and well thought out.

RE: Good Lord
By sleepeeg3 on 6/22/2012 3:03:52 AM , Rating: 2
You can buy phones that aren't under contract, you know...

RE: Good Lord
By NellyFromMA on 6/22/2012 8:31:03 AM , Rating: 2
Buying a phone not under contract for VZ is a financial fail. Your savings aren't that much, if anything happens with a VZ update to your phone VZ will not support it unless you purchase expensive insurance which is counter to what they do when you are on contract of course.

Nevermind the fact that unless it's a 'world-phone' with multiple cell bands, your VZ phone can't even be carried over to the only other carrier that operates on similar tech, Sprint.

VZ and Sprint have agreements not to enable each others phones on opposite networks. Consumer fail!

RE: Good Lord
By Treknologist on 6/22/2012 9:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
The TBolt is running 2.3.4 right now, not 2.1. The ICS update, according to the released schedule, is somewhere between July and August. So, it doesn't seem to be that far away.

By bug77 on 6/21/2012 9:27:43 PM , Rating: 2
So, when HTC finally finds the mercy to bestow ICS upon me, I'll already have an older OS.
God, I hope those rumors about Google planning to have each manufacturer offer a Nexus device were true. Manufacturers cannot take longer to release an update than Google takes to release an entire new version of the OS. It's outrageous.

RE: Great
By Jeffk464 on 6/21/2012 10:10:19 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Great
By bug77 on 6/22/2012 4:21:05 AM , Rating: 2
1. I paid a ton of money for my phone. Therefore I expect top support.
2. There isn't a ROM out there for Desire S that works.

RE: Great
By WalksTheWalk on 6/22/2012 11:39:27 AM , Rating: 2
If you purchased your phone from a carrier, you can ask them about the support you're getting versus the price you paid for it. They are responsible for pushing out the updates supplied by the manufacturer.

If the manufacturer decided not to provide an update, then you can ask them about it.

As it stands now, the process is what it is. If you want a device that gets more frequent updates, let your carrier know where you stand.

For the PC analogy, Dell and HP don't provide every driver update that comes out. Sometimes they don't provide any, even when a fix is available depending on the age of the PC. The only difference is, in the PC game your OS updates are provided by Microsoft (assuming Windows), dis-intermediating Dell and HP. Most mobile phones aren't quite at that point yet, where the hardware is unlocked and you can install any OS you'd like on it.

RE: Great
By Trisped on 6/22/2012 4:27:54 PM , Rating: 2
It takes time to develop a device. Part of the required time is making sure that the device works correctly with the OS. Try it your self, it is not that easy, and defiantly not worth complaining about.

By overlandpark4me on 6/21/2012 7:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
No really, yawn

RE: yawn
By TakinYourPoints on 6/21/2012 10:57:37 PM , Rating: 1
Hey man, 3%, maybe 4% of Android handsets will be running this thing. That's pretty cool, right?

RE: yawn
By vapore0n on 6/22/2012 7:45:17 AM , Rating: 3
I think you are over estimating.
Currently 5% of android devices are running 4.0,2817,2403901,

This is just another update I will not be seeing.
Stuck on 2.3 till I Upgrade later this year when my contract expires. And no, there is no stable 4.0 rom for my Optimus S.It is hardware limited.

RE: yawn
By TakinYourPoints on 6/22/2012 5:56:27 PM , Rating: 1
Ouch, even worse than I thought. And here I was trying to be nice.

By WalksTheWalk on 6/22/2012 12:04:19 PM , Rating: 3
1. If you want to get more frequent updates, do your homework regarding the device and carrier you select. Not all devices, manufacturers and carriers are equal.

2. You're not going to get every update, period. Dell or HP doesn't give Windows 8 away for free just because you purchased a PC with Windows 7 on it, do they? Your Android phone manufacturer and carrier isn't going to give you every update either; especially major updates that change your experience a lot.

3. If you don't want to be stuck in the two year contract cycle, don't purchase a phone using that model. Purchase one outright and go on a month-to-month plan.

4. Vote with your dollars. There are options out there; find them and use them.

too little, too late
By TechIsGr8 on 6/22/2012 12:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
I had an Asus Transformer for 6 months, originally on 3.x, and I really thought it was a decent tablet. When 4.0 came out, it turned to crap, was unstable, rebooted frequently, apps hung or crashed. I reset it to factory defaults, rebooted countless times. Finally sold it, went with an ipad2, and now everything just works. It reminded me that Google is an advertising company, not an operating system or hardware company. Then with all the different hardware vendors out there, it's a real crapshoot whether your particular tablet will keep working properly through subsequent updates, or how long it will take your vendor to port the Android update to their platform. Sorry, I really wanted to like Android, gave it 6 months, but ultimately it's a troubled ecosystem. I just wanted a tablet that worked, period, and now I finally do. So go ahead, flame me, android fans, and apple haters.

HP Touchpad upgrade
By bupkus on 6/21/2012 11:04:37 PM , Rating: 1
After installing the 6-21-2012 nightly.

What I want most of all is elimination of the Android GUI lag.

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