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Acura gets its first hybrid

Acura first gave us a glimpse of its entry-level luxury ILX Hybrid sedan at the Detroit Auto Show in concept form. Now that the Chicago Auto Show is upon us, the vehicle is being showed in its final production trim. Keeping with Honda/Acura tradition, not much has changed visually for the concept-to-production transition.
 
The ILX Hybrid is based on the Civic platform and is destined to replace the existing TSX in Acura's lineup. When it comes to the powertrain, you won't be winning any stoplight battles with the ILX Hybrid. The vehicle comes with a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine that is paired with a 20hp electric motor and a continuously variable transmission (CVT). Total system power is pegged at a meager 111hp @ 5,000rpm and 125 lb-ft between 1,000rpm and 3,000rpm, so tread lightly.
 
Luckily, those who require more gusto can choose from traditional 2.0-liter and 2.4-liter gasoline engines.
 
 
Fuel economy is rated at 35mpg in the city and 38mpg on the highway for the ILX Hybrid. However, these numbers are well below what's possible with its sister-ship, the Civic Hybrid, which is rated at 44/44.
 
"First-time luxury buyers tend to place a high value on exterior styling, affordability and environmental issues, and that's what we have created with the new Acura ILX," said Jon Ikeda, head of the Acura Design Studio. "The strategy behind this new model is to position ILX as the first opportunity for many young buyers to enter the luxury market."
 
The Acura ILX Hybrid will launch later this year; pricing has not yet been announced.
 


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Another big MEH from Honda
By Spuke on 2/8/2012 9:44:34 AM , Rating: 4
Seriously, WTH is going on at Honda?




RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/8/2012 9:54:55 AM , Rating: 3
Well, Honda has truly lost its way, that's for sure.

A Civic Hybrid weighs nearly 2,900 pounds. You know this thing is gonna be close to 3,000 if not heavier. Can't see any fun in that with 111hp...

Oh how I long for the days of the Legend, Integra, and RSX


RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Reclaimer77 on 2/8/12, Rating: -1
RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/8/2012 10:30:23 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I was specifically mentioning Acura models...

That being said, didn't you bust my chops a few months ago for leaving out the Prelude in an article? ;)


By Reclaimer77 on 2/8/2012 10:47:18 AM , Rating: 2
Well when I say "Honda" of course I mean Acura too. No difference.

And hey, I wasn't busting chops hehe. Just a reminder :P


RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Samus on 2/8/2012 11:30:09 AM , Rating: 2
They have discontinued every great car they ever made, in model and form.

They no longer make cars that resemble anything like the Integra, CRX (unless you look really hard at the CRZ, which is an awesome, but flawed car) the Element, the S2000, and the NSX, which is supposedly coming back, but will probably price itself out of the average enthusiest' wallet.

They just can not compete with Toyota on technology, price and performance. And that's so disturbing.


By retrospooty on 2/8/2012 3:45:31 PM , Rating: 3
"They have discontinued every great car they ever made, in model and form."

True. They have some good stuff, but every model has a "but". The TSX, but only FWD. The TL SH-AWD. Great car, but ugly as hell now, which really sucks becasue it used to look nice. I still miss my old 2001 Integra. It was literally one of the last ones ever built. It was assembled in April 2001, and the RSX (Integra#ugly) came out in May 2001. I loved that car. Now you are right, they have nothing but boring, and ugly.

"They just can not compete with Toyota on technology, price and performance. And that's so disturbing."

That's the shame of it. They CAN compete, they just seem to have chosen not to. After they got big, they abandoned everything that made them big, and went totally conservative with everything.


RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Keeir on 2/8/2012 3:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I was thinking that this car is probably the blandest entry level lux car right now... and that its an improvement for Acura!

Sadly, there are still 17-20 different buttons on the steering wheel face alone. Its almost like Honda views their cars more like gadgets than functional autos.


RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Alexvrb on 2/9/2012 1:01:33 AM , Rating: 2
No doubt. This thing is a dog, and it doesn't really have the MPG numbers to make up for it.


RE: Another big MEH from Honda
By Flunk on 2/9/2012 8:58:55 AM , Rating: 2
This is the most boring new car model I've seen in ages. It looks older than the TSX it is replacing. I'd rather have a Lexus CT 200H, at least that looks good (although it's bland to drive as well).


Forget the Hybrid version
By BernardP on 2/8/2012 9:56:27 AM , Rating: 2
This could be a nice entry-level, semi-sporty Acura when ordered with the 2.4L engine and 6-speed manual, depending on pricing of course.




RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By steven975 on 2/8/2012 10:41:10 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps, but don't forget they did exactly this when the stripped the soul out of the Si.

It got the displacement and torque people claimed they wanted, but the spirit of the car got lost in the process.

The "real" iVTEC 2.0L with shorter gearing and a higher redline was a more fun car. True, you can take that 2.4L and reflash it for a higher redline, but with such a long stroke that won't last long.


RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By corduroygt on 2/8/2012 4:25:42 PM , Rating: 2
The TSX 4cylinder is a pretty fun to drive sedan, if not the most fun to drive FWD entry-luxury sedan out there.
This would be lighter, so even better...


RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By retrospooty on 2/8/2012 4:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
"The TSX 4cylinder is a pretty fun to drive sedan, if not the most fun to drive FWD entry-luxury sedan out there.
This would be lighter, so even better.."


Not likely, the TSX is the Euro Accord platform. Tighter, and 4 indy wishbone. The ILX is a Civic platform, front McPherson.


RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 2/8/2012 5:56:39 PM , Rating: 2
I actually own one of the 2009 TSX cars and I find it quite pleasant to drive. Yea, FWD is kind of a downer but otherwise it's a good car and was the last model built before they went to the ultra hideous grill and tailgate. I still don't know WTF they were smoking when they came up with that. This ILX will have quite a bit less horsepower than my current TSX, 201 down to 111. Yea, screw that. Maybe for my next car I'll look into a BWM 3 Series.


RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By retrospooty on 2/9/2012 6:50:03 AM , Rating: 2
"I actually own one of the 2009 TSX cars and I find it quite pleasant to drive. Yea, FWD is kind of a downer but otherwise it's a good car and was the last model built before they went to the ultra hideous grill and tailgate"

Agreed, man the TL and TSX got hit with the ugly stick a few years ago. Nice looking prior to that.

"This ILX will have quite a bit less horsepower than my current TSX, 201 down to 111. Yea, screw that. Maybe for my next car I'll look into a BWM 3 Series."

The hybrid will be the lease produced of the 3 engines. The 2.0 and 2.4 will be mostly what you see at dealers. The 2.4 is hte same engine in the accord, tsx, crv, Civic si etc. It's pretty good for a car of this size. Still boring though.


RE: Forget the Hybrid version
By Keeir on 2/9/2012 4:19:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the Hybrid is not really for the US market. Stuffing the stupid IMA system into a Lux car is clearly not going to work in the US. Maybe Canada? Not sure. Does Acura even sell in Europe?


Pathetic..
By DukeN on 2/8/2012 9:39:40 AM , Rating: 1
Honda stays true to form and puts out a terrible hybrid. This'll probably get EOL'd real soon like the shitty Accord hybrid.

FWIW, the Camry Hybrid is bigger, has more HP and better fuel economy for less.




RE: Pathetic..
By apinkel on 2/8/2012 10:05:38 AM , Rating: 2
You know, the accord hybrid is probably the only hybrid I'd buy. It was a performance hybrid... meant to have better performance than the V6 accord but with mpg equal too or better than the I4.

Unfortunately, it didn't sell. Folks who buy hybrids appear to have a singular focus on MPG and are willing to give up performance and driving experience to achieve that.

As for this Acura... yeah, I don't see the appeal.


RE: Pathetic..
By Sivar on 2/8/2012 10:33:04 AM , Rating: 2
2006 even saw an Accord V6 hybrid. It took the already reasonable Accord V6 (a real V6, not "V6 equivalent with electric assist" and added electric, which has the benefit of returning 100% available torque at any RPM. It only lasted a year, but they are still on eBay Motors frequently.


RE: Pathetic..
By steven975 on 2/8/2012 10:38:21 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, the Accord Hybrid was the fastest Accord at the time.

It's much the same way as the Lexus Hybrids (at least most of them). I recall the GS350h being faster than the GS450 and the GS350.


RE: Pathetic..
By DukeN on 2/8/2012 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Well WTF do you expect?

The hybrid market has been maligned by geriatric 'muscle car' aficionados, etc which only means most people will NEVER look at a hybrid for performance.

Besides, how much power do you really need when in major cities you are constantly driving below the speed limits due to traffic.


Honda Civic hybrid gets 30-35MPG
By spootwo on 2/8/2012 11:14:57 AM , Rating: 2
My odometer reads just over 5000 km (I live in Canada) at 7.1 per l/100, or around 32MPG. DO NOT BUY THIS CAR!




By retrospooty on 2/8/2012 2:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
I think you dont know how to drive a hybrid if your getting that bad of mileage. You gotta go easy on the pedal. I drove a 2008 Civic hybrid for 2 years. I got it because at the time (in May 2009) the auto industry was fizzling and I got a great deal - that and I drove 40 miles to work 1 way. I got 35-36 if I drove it like I stole it. I got 40-44 on average, and if I really took it easy and went for mileage, i would get 54-56 mpg on the 80 mile round trip.

Now I have a 2012 Civic non hybrid and can get 42-44 MPG on the 80 mile round trip if I take it easy.


By DukeN on 2/8/2012 2:51:58 PM , Rating: 2
The Civic is amongst the worst for advertised mileage to reality amongst hybrids.

IIRC there was a pretty big civil suit about it in the works as well.

Honda gave up on hybrids mid-decade and are trying to start-up yet again, barely half-heartedly.


By Keeir on 2/8/2012 3:18:55 PM , Rating: 2
So... in a brand new car, in the middle of winter, your getting around 32 MPG on trips of unknown length?

Sorry.. this is not really enough information to make any sort of conclusion. Has the temperature been especially low? Lots of snow? Using chains/snow tires? Long distance trips or main 1-2 mile affairs? These all effect MPG, Hybrids don't bend the laws of nature. If it takes more energy to go from point A-B, then it takes more energy.


risks?
By Seagrave on 2/8/2012 8:06:01 PM , Rating: 2
honda is taking a risk as many other japanese makers, they are releasing a new version of the venerable NSX soon. risks that these companies are taking sadly arent aimed at the middle class tho, toyotas super car is 200k+ we miss the days of classic muscle, classic rice.

now we are faced with building around regulations that crush car companies world wide because the US is the single largest market. and european markets are more reserved for spending. but remember we are also in a weak economy not much room to produce big gamble, toys, or items looking for a new market.




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