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Evleaks once again gets the scoop on an unannounced smartphone

Earlier this week, a screenshot of the long rumored 6" Nokia Lumia 1520 smartphone was leaked. The image showed the expanded Windows Phone 8 UI thanks to the extra screen real estate and increased resolution (1080p display).
Today, evleaks posted press shots of the Lumia 1520 showing it from the front and back. The shots also confirm the revised UI.

Nokia Lumia 1520 [Image Source: @evleaks]
When the Lumia 1520 launches later this month, it is expected to feature a quad-core Snapdragon 800 processor and a 20MP rear-facing camera.

Source: @evleaks

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So, are we happy now?
By Labotomizer on 9/6/2013 11:04:59 AM , Rating: 5
Snapdragon 800 - Check
1080p - Check
Large display - check
Awesome camera - check

So, it now has top of the line specs that has been a major issue for many people on this site. I think the phone looks awesome but I still don't think I want a 6" phone, but the extra row of tiles looks nice. My question is, will this finally get Windows Phone 8 to the "cutting edge" of hardware many have cited as a reason for sales issues? Or what is the next issue?

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/13, Rating: -1
RE: So, are we happy now?
By ClownPuncher on 9/6/2013 11:21:51 AM , Rating: 5
Why would it need to run Android? I think you've spiraled into fanboyism, you greasy guinea.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/13, Rating: -1
RE: So, are we happy now?
By ClownPuncher on 9/6/2013 11:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
Haha. I knew you'd be able to take a little ribbing without getting upset.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2013 2:13:19 PM , Rating: 1
Pshaw, of course! I'm the most easy going guy you ever met.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/6/2013 6:18:49 PM , Rating: 1
@.@ ... *giggles*

RE: So, are we happy now?
By silverblue on 9/6/2013 11:25:31 AM , Rating: 3
Insult of the century. :)

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Flunk on 9/6/2013 11:25:06 AM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of Android Phones with similar specs already. If every company made the same products it would be very dull.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: So, are we happy now?
By Flunk on 9/6/2013 2:43:36 PM , Rating: 4
Jokes are supposed to be funny. Trolling for your own amusement doesn't qualify.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2013 11:28:33 AM , Rating: 1
/face palm

It was an OBVIOUS joke. Gaddamn people...

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Labotomizer on 9/6/2013 12:05:57 PM , Rating: 3
Nah, not craving attention. Was curious what people would point out as the next stumbling block as the specs have been a big issue on tech sites, DailyTech included. I personally think the Snapdragon 800 is serious overkill BUT could come in handy 1 year+ from now when more have it.

Perhaps there was a hint of sarcasm but overall, a legit question. I get that some don't like the UI, and more power to them. But it seems the specs are the issue most often cited, not the UI.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By AMDftw on 9/6/2013 12:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
I would rather have it on Android base. IMO

RE: So, are we happy now?
By poi2 on 9/6/2013 2:31:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah too bad is doesn't charge on my urine :)

RE: So, are we happy now?
By retrospooty on 9/6/2013 11:46:32 AM , Rating: 2
Not bad... Worth a look in person.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By mjv.theory on 9/6/13, Rating: -1
RE: So, are we happy now?
By stm1185 on 9/6/2013 12:41:48 PM , Rating: 2
I just hope its $600 or less. I switched to T-Mobile and bought a 521 to try for awhile. I like the OS so far, not missing Android, but I want better hardware. This could work.

But if its $700 and a Nexus 5 is $350, I am buying the Nexus 5.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:48:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think I'm going to do this. Nokia 521 for $130 no contract, and then $30 a month for unlimited data and 100 min talk time. Just use skype to talk to people you know, and use the 100 min for everything else. My last 2 years on verizon has cost me $2420, I'm starting to think its not worth it.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By stm1185 on 9/6/2013 2:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I was on Verizon too. $87 a month for 24 months, now I am paying $35.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By ShaolinSoccer on 9/7/2013 11:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
I could be wrong but I don't think T-Mobile has true unlimited data like Sprint does. Once you hit a cap, they throttle you. Skypeing all the time will make you hit that cap pretty quick.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By stm1185 on 9/7/2013 1:01:14 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on the plan. They throttle the plans with a listed data number.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:50:28 PM , Rating: 2
A nexus 5 is going to be $350 no contract, is it going to be on Tmobile?

RE: So, are we happy now?
By stm1185 on 9/6/2013 2:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
It has the LTE capability for it according to the Anandtech piece. No reason it shouldn't work on T-Mobile. Worse case scenario you might have to buy it off Google Play and spend the $10 for a T-Mobile sim.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By troysavary on 9/6/2013 1:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
So you have no MS products of any kind, nor work for a company that uses MS products of any kind?

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Nortel on 9/6/13, Rating: -1
RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2013 3:23:30 PM , Rating: 1
When I am completely free to choose what mobile device I use, the last thing I want to be using is a MS device with a Windows 8 UI.

God help me, I'm agreeing with Nortel lol.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By nikon133 on 9/6/2013 4:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
Yes you should be worried.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/7/2013 10:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
Who are you and what did you do with Reclaimer?

RE: So, are we happy now?
By tim851 on 9/6/2013 5:31:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, similar mindset here.

For me it's also another thing: Microsoft dominates the OS/Office-arena and they've been doing very well in the last generation of gaming consoles. I don't want them bullying their way into the mobile space.

I don't like how these Megacorps spread like cancer.
Samsung is the worst, give it another two years and every electronic consumer device will be made by them or have at least 90% of parts from them.

I had so rooted for BlackBerry to make a comeback, but I guess when you race against these giants, one missed step is all it takes - you'll never catch up again.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: So, are we happy now?
By ShaolinSoccer on 9/7/2013 11:39:39 AM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? Samsung was a nobody in the mobile world not that long ago. The only reason they are popular now is because they make good phones. Are you seriously going to cry about a company doing good?

RE: So, are we happy now?
By SpartanJet on 9/6/2013 10:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'd personally rather be on Microsoft software than that advertising Google junk anyday. I was really waiting for a high end Windows Phone and I think I found it. I'm looking to go all in on Windows everything from tablet to phone.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By themaster08 on 9/9/2013 2:12:51 AM , Rating: 2
Nortel, it is no longer 1995. I would wager a bet that you've never used Windows Phone other than a 2 minute demonstration at a store (I bet even that's pushing it).

I say this because using Windows Phone is not a "live with" platform. It is one of the most original and one of the best products they've ever released. It is a pleasure to use.

Now, having blind hatred towards Microsoft, you're not impartial enough to know that. Your bias holds you down and gives you lack of credibility for the platform as it's more than likely you've never used it.

I bet you're the type of person who goes out of their way to make sure everyone in your social circle doesn't use Microsoft products. What a sad life you must lead.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/9/2013 12:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
It is one of the most original and one of the best products they've ever released.

Unfortunately that's not saying a whole lot.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By FITCamaro on 9/6/2013 2:49:44 PM , Rating: 3
Because Apple is so much less "evil".

RE: So, are we happy now?
By stm1185 on 9/6/2013 2:54:09 PM , Rating: 2
They are, they just saved me from buying books off Amazon for $10 instead of spending $15!

SuperJobs to the rescue!

RE: So, are we happy now?
By retrospooty on 9/6/2013 6:06:08 PM , Rating: 1
"they just saved me from buying books off Amazon for $10 instead of spending $15"

LOL. You should be thankful they didn't raise it to $20

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Rukkian on 9/6/2013 3:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
It really has nothing to do with needing excuses. I do feel that (like BB) you cannot enter a market with very entrenched, fairly well liked encumbents and bring specs that are 1-2 years old compared to the competition. When you are trying to gain marketshare, you need a differentiator.

I personally do not likes the looks of Win Phone at all (even though it still looks better than IOS). I am (at least in the past) a big microsoft supporter, and have win8 on one of my computers at home (have since it was released) and still hate the look of the tiles, and that everything advanced is much more difficult to get to.

The biggest issue for me is I like choices, I do not want a company to tell me what I can do, what I can install (or not) and lock me into one infrastrucure. With Android I like that I can install custom roms and still have full support. While I really dont use other app stores (since I think Google Play is so good), I love that I have the option to. I think choice is good for the consumer. If I wanted a walled garden I would choose the one that has the best library (IOS) since I would not have a choice of other app stores.

If MS had not tried to copy Apple with their walled garden approach, this phone would have been what made me really think about switching, as it seems like a beast and should still be relevent in 2 + years. I dont need to have the latest greatest all the time, but do want something that will last and still work the entire time I have it.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/6/2013 6:22:39 PM , Rating: 3
Damn nice looking phone. About an inch too big for me, but specs are kickazz so I'm sure it will sell by the buttload.

I kinda hope to does finally put windows on the map for phones. Android needs some more pressure to innovate.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By BZDTemp on 9/8/2013 10:36:52 AM , Rating: 2
Finally cutting edge!?

Pardon, but I think the 920 did that in a lot of areas. It's camera, NFC, wireless charging, a package that is able to handle it being run over by a car (check youtube)... while some elements wasn't a first or even not on top viewed on it's on the total package was and is pretty sweet.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Labotomizer on 9/9/2013 1:02:50 PM , Rating: 2
You misunderstood me I think. I was talking about CPU, memory and screen resolution. I have a Lumia 928 and think it's fantastic. Which is why I say in another post that I think the SnapDragon 800 is overkill.

I love my 928 and wouldn't trade it for any other phone on the market today.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By laststop311 on 9/8/2013 1:38:31 PM , Rating: 2
they left off the pureview camera and xenon flash WTF

RE: So, are we happy now?
By Labotomizer on 9/9/2013 1:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
It has Pureview. Everything 900+ has Pureview. It won't have the 41 MP sensor, likely due to additional size being an issue. Plus, with the specs it would be $400 on contract with that camera.

Xenon flash is kind of nice but unless you're dealing with motion that's fairly close to you it doesn't make a huge difference. The low light performance nullifies the need of the flash in a lot of cases anyway.

RE: So, are we happy now?
By puter_geek_01 on 9/9/2013 10:50:20 AM , Rating: 2
No front facing camera...

The truth
By crispbp04 on 9/6/2013 11:47:56 AM , Rating: 2
I want this device. My wife wants these specs in a 4" phone.

Nokia needs to drop a smaller form factor phone with higher specs.

RE: The truth
By killerroach on 9/6/2013 12:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
Then you'd have to wait for a smaller process node for the SoC, have a thicker device to support cooling the whole thing, or deal with a tiny battery. Or possibly have the whole thing overheat, one or the other.

Physics is cruel sometimes.

RE: The truth
By crispbp04 on 9/6/2013 8:31:42 PM , Rating: 2
to clarify, I didn't mean a 1080p screen and quad core. A dual core and 720/768p would be just fine. I just meant a 4" phone that isn't budget. Something that directly competes with the iPhone that is better than the lumia 520.

RE: The truth
By haukionkannel on 9/7/2013 4:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
Try 720! It is much smaller, it is dual core and have about 720p screen. It allso has very good battery. If you are looking something a little better than 520.
It seems to be my personal favorite among Lumia family, but I have guite small hands, so that phone suites me better than these 6" models. But for some people this is just perfect size, but not just to me :-)

RE: The truth
By Labotomizer on 9/6/2013 12:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure we'll see them do 1080p for anything under 5" in the near future. The reason being is that's the trigger for the 3rd medium row, which at 4" would make small tiles entirely too small.

RE: The truth
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
720p looks fantastic on a 4.65 screen, I can't imagine you need 1080p on a 4 incher.

RE: The truth
By Ammohunt on 9/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: The truth
By inighthawki on 9/6/2013 3:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
The algorithm for determining the numbe rof rows is very likely dependent on the DPI, not the resolution or the screen size. This is why the start screen in Win8 can have varying number of tiles across different devices with the same resolution.

RE: The truth
By Labotomizer on 9/6/2013 3:24:24 PM , Rating: 2
That would be the smart thing to do. But at one point, recently, MS said they wouldn't have 1080p below 5". So my guess is the 3rd row is tied to that. Then again, at 5" I'm not sure the 3rd row would be good. You'd almost have to move exclusively to medium tiles and then you're defeating the purpose.

RE: The truth
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/13, Rating: 0
RE: The truth
By troysavary on 9/6/2013 3:36:56 PM , Rating: 4
Maybe MS got tired of being blamed for crappy OEM PC systems with substandard hardware, poor driver support, and bloatware giving Windows a bad name. They seems to be moving away from the free-for-all world of Windows PCs to a more centrally managed situation. I've always enjoyed the openness of PCs, but I can see why MS is tired of people screwing up their computers and blaming it on MS.

RE: The truth
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2013 3:46:01 PM , Rating: 1
And yet that approach has made them the multi-billion dollar juggernaut of the computer industry.

When Microsoft "takes control", we get the Zune, the Kin, Windows Phone and the Surface.

'nuff said.

RE: The truth
By inighthawki on 9/6/2013 5:12:58 PM , Rating: 3
True, but the success of Windows really comes from early dominance in the market. Nowadays you see a lot of success from people like Apple who control every aspect of their systems, and people willing to pay super high markups for the quality increase.

Also let's be fair, I've heard almost nothing but praise from people who have owned Zunes, Windows Phones, and Surfaces. They are all actually rather high quality devices. The older zunes had their fair share of issues but the Zune HD was quite an impressive device. Full touch enabled Super AMOLED display, and what most people consider to be metro at its best, doing a d*mn fine job.

I think the problem with the surface (RT) is a combination of Windows 8's poor image and being way too overpriced compared to its competition, especially the ipad. I can't really speak on why the pro wasn't much of a success, as most reviews show very high praise of the device. Probably just Windows 8.

RE: The truth
By Monkey's Uncle on 9/9/2013 6:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong. The success of Windows was the fact that Microsoft threw in a freebie copy with every one of those soap bar Mice they sold back in the day. Windows 3.x and earlier were nothing more than lipstick & mascara over the top of a DOS command line.

The real graphical OS at the time was OS/2 - unfortunately IBM had no clue how to market products to anyone but corporate customers (they still don't). Even though OS/2 was far superior in every way, when Microsoft came out Windows 95 along with their grass-roots attitude for selling to 'the little guy', they kicked IBM's ass.

RE: The truth
By troysavary on 9/10/2013 11:25:29 AM , Rating: 2
The Zune was by far the best MP3 player at the time. Far better sound quality than an iPod, shipped with much better earbuds. Even the magnetic clip on the earbuds was cool. Zune software was superior to iTunes software in every way, and the Zunepass was a great deal. MS dropped the ball on marketing it. For the longest time it was only available in the US. Most people had never heard of it, and if they had, they couldn't get it. Go check old used Zune prices on eBay to see how much demand there still is for them.

The Kin was the result of somebody at MS smoking too much crack.

Windows Phone is growing fast, and is number 2 in several markets now. You continually ignore this as if the USA is the only place that matters.

Surface once again is a great product hampered by crappy marketing. Like the Zune, when it was new enough to be in demand, you couldn't find it anywhere outside of the USA. I am talking Surface Pro, of course. The Surface RT should have just been a larger WinPhone. A third OS wasn't necessary, but I guess it was MS hedging it's bets against x86 never getting a tablet ready chip.

RE: The truth
By jabber on 9/8/2013 7:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
Yep if you give up control you end up with Acer quality.

Smartphones with those old squishy touchscreens that needed a stylus.

RE: The truth
By haukionkannel on 9/7/2013 4:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
It allso mean that Windows phones does get program upgrades where only the most popular Android phones may get them...
For windows phones, every phone is "Nexus" model. The bad part is what you say that there are very strict rules for the phones.
For normal user, I think that program upgrades is very good thing. To geek... nah, he just buy new phone in anyway when new program version comes out for Android. Nothing wrong in that, it allso means that every new hardware will first come to Android phones, you just can not expect to get program upgrades to those...
It has good and bad things.

RE: The truth
By Mint on 9/6/2013 12:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody offers 1080p in a 4" phone because nobody can see the difference at that kind of PPI unless the phone is less than a foot from your face. Need more info on the 20MPix camera to know if it makes a difference, but hopefully it's at least 1/2.3".

I'm still skeptical as to what use a Snapdragon 800 will find for most people, particularly since WP is so snappy, but I suppose complex Office docs will open quicker.

RE: The truth
By Labotomizer on 9/6/2013 12:45:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think the reason for it is two fold. One, so people who find the specs important will be happy. Two, for better future proofing. In a year it may be nice for games and, well, games.

RE: The truth
By Rukkian on 9/6/2013 3:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
Two, for better future proofing. In a year it may be nice for games and, well, games.

You are mistaken here - it is about the pron, always about the pron!

I think a good 720p screen is better than 1080p on anything below 5", as the battery life is better, and the ppi good enough for what most people will do.

RE: The truth
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:43:45 PM , Rating: 2
My wife wants these specs in a 4" phone

The best deal on the market right now is the nokia 521 with a 4" screen. I might get it anyways, but I like bigger screens. Not sure about 6" though, I'm thinking 5" is maybe better for me.

RE: The truth
By Myrandex on 9/6/2013 1:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
The 82x class wasn't bad. I know many people that have them and liked them a lot, and those have 4.3" screens.

By Guspaz on 9/6/2013 11:40:09 AM , Rating: 2
So, this thing runs Windows Phone? This means that Microsoft now has three similar but completely incompatible tablet operating systems. Windows Phone, Windows RT, and Windows 8... Two of them even run on the same architecture.

At least one of those will have to go...

RE: Fragmentation
By XZerg on 9/6/2013 11:49:17 AM , Rating: 1
i believe Windows RT is here to stay and WP is to go.

RE: Fragmentation
By CaedenV on 9/6/2013 1:34:04 PM , Rating: 2
WP and RT are likely going to merge. Final product will be WP but with some RT functionality.
WP has seen much more success than RT, and it is a much more needed interface than RT, so why would WP be the one to go?

RE: Fragmentation
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
wow, RT is major bloat compared to WP isn't it? Full blown windows on a phone sounds like a disaster to me.

RE: Fragmentation
By inighthawki on 9/6/2013 12:15:16 PM , Rating: 2
Not really true. Windows RT is just Win8 compiled on ARM. For obvious reasons it cannot run x86 apps, and for security reasons it cant run unsigned code. Otherwise identical. As of Windows Phone 8, it also shares the same NT kernel as Windows 8, and is very similar in nature to Windows RT, just with a slightly different "start screen" and no desktop. Once WinPhone Blue ships I bet you'll also start seeing the ability to write once and ship to all three platforms via the store once they unify a few more components of the OS like the compositor.

RE: Fragmentation
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:55:02 PM , Rating: 2
WP would have all kinds of stuff stripped out of it from full blown windows, no?

RE: Fragmentation
By inighthawki on 9/6/2013 2:44:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there are things stripped out, but it's the full NT kernel and functionality. Full DX11 API. Same graphics kernel, same drivers, etc. Today's tablets have the same hardware as phones do and they run just fine, so why wouldn't a full copy of windows work?

In fact I recall hearing a while back of someone who got Win8 up and running on an old WinMo 6.5 phone which had a compatible ARM chip. It was a bit sluggish, but it was also super old.

RE: Fragmentation
By troysavary on 9/6/2013 1:22:30 PM , Rating: 3
I am betting we'll see a merger of WinPhone and Win RT sometime. I think they should have just upgraded WinPhone to use as their ARM tablet OS and forgot about RT completely.

RE: Fragmentation
By Jeffk464 on 9/6/2013 1:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, this

Messy looking UI
By Belard on 9/7/2013 11:46:09 AM , Rating: 2
That version of Win 8.1 with all those tiny little icons and such looks... messy.

RE: Messy looking UI
By haukionkannel on 9/7/2013 4:33:03 PM , Rating: 2
Fortunately you don't have to use so many little icons and only use less bigger icons, if you want to! It is fully customiseable... four different size icons to chose at this moment, and more options in the future I hope.

By quiksilvr on 9/6/2013 11:11:54 AM , Rating: 2
Hey Microsoft!
By Ammohunt on 9/6/2013 12:59:21 PM , Rating: 2
I love my Nokia 910 the hardware and software mesh perfectly. if they made a Nokia 10" wifi tablet with windows phone 8(minus the phone part) ~$400 i would be a customer.

If only...
By CaedenV on 9/6/2013 1:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
I am all excited about a phablet windows phone... but there are a few issues to contend with:
1) 6" with that kind of bezel is rather huge. No issue with the screen size alone, but that bezel is going to be the breaking point on size for many people (possibly myself included). Something in the 5-5.5" range would gather a bigger following, but I understand that a 6" device will get more press.

2) The thing that makes phablets like the Galaxy Note series so amazingly useful is that they come with a custom UI and UX which brings a lot of non-standard features to the device. Simply having a large Windows Phone is going to bring very few advantages over the smaller cousins of this device like the 940 (or whatever the next gen 920 will be) which will likely also have a quad core CPU, bigger camera, bigger GPU, and ram but in a much more pocket-friendly size.

Outside of that I am looking forward to this device. My 920 can almost replace my laptop already. Something with a larger screen and a few more features may help my poor laptop the rest of it's way into retirement.

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