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Both devices are expected to be announced on Sept. 5

Samsung may have struck the first blow in the Windows Phone 8 battle, but Nokia isn't about to roll over and play dead despite its meager results with Windows Phone 7.x. EVLeaks has posted two images which apparently depict the upcoming Lumia 820 and the Lumia 920 with PureView.
Not much is know about either device other than the fact that the mid-range Lumia 820 features a 4.3" screen, while the flagship Lumia 920 features 4.5" screen. As you can tell from the following images, both will likely be available in a number of colors to suit your design aesthetic.

Nokia Lumia 820

 Nokia Lumia 920 with PureView
We'll keep you informed as more information on Nokia's Windows Phone 8 devices leaks out ahead of the Sept. 5 press conference:

Sources: EVLeaks (1), (2), The Verge

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PureView on the 920
By AmbroseAthan on 8/31/2012 11:16:38 AM , Rating: 4
PureView is one of the things which could end up pulling me from the Android camp over to WP8. I do photography more as a hobby than serious, but having a great camera phone would be very convenient for late nights out with friends.

If the 920 can perform at the same levels as the 808, that would be perfect.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 11:24:47 AM , Rating: 3
The 920 may be Pureview in name, but from the size of the camera unit, it looks like it's not sporting the 41MP 1/1.2" sensor and f/2.4 lens from the 808.

No sale. :(

RE: PureView on the 920
By Mitch101 on 8/31/2012 12:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
Its a Pureview 21MP camera. Note the commercial is 21 seconds long.

If the sensor is the same size as the 41MP it could allow for better lowlight conditions. DLSR owners will tell you its not the number of megapixels its the size of sensor that counts. Of course DLSRs have big lenses for the same light reasons.

Im anxious to see this as Nokia has some of the best software for digital cameras also.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Mitch101 on 8/31/2012 12:27:22 PM , Rating: 3
Wow it could be 41MP

Screen size: 4.5-inch
Camera: 41 megapixels
Camera features: Records video, Auto focus, Flash (Xenon)
Internal memory: 16 GB
Screen type: LCD (Active, Color, Backlit)
Browser: HTML (Flash)
Operating system:
Windows Phone 8
High-speed performance
High quality slow motion video
capture and playback

RE: PureView on the 920
By RufusM on 8/31/2012 12:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
Even if this is a 41MP camera, there no getting around the physics of it. The lens can only be so big and let in X amount of light. The distance between the lens and CCD can only be X, so it's going to be limited in focal depth. It will never beat a decent camera with a larger lens and deeper focal depth for image quality.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Mitch101 on 8/31/2012 12:49:57 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yea no doubt about that. Our general camera recently died and I was telling the wife why bother replacing it we should get good cameras on our phone for daily stuff then get a DLSR for our serious stuff. No middle of the ground cameras they are just a waste.

The only thing I am stuck on is how serious I want to go with digital photography and I might be leaning toward getting a 4/3 camera instead as I understand its kind of the wannabe photographer camera. Lacks the bulk of a full frame body and lens making it much more portable. A DLSR is more of a commitment.

RE: PureView on the 920
By semiconshawn on 8/31/2012 12:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
It will never beat a decent camera with a larger lens and deeper focal depth for image quality.

Duh. So whats your point? They should stop putting better cameras and optics in phones because cameras take better pictures? By that logic they can remove the gps, the web browser, video player,and music player because like the camera they are all compromises for a compact do everything device.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 1:02:02 PM , Rating: 4
It will never beat a decent camera with a larger lens and deeper focal depth for image quality.

Did you look at the 808 image samples on

In some tests, it was out-resolving a Nikon D800 (see studio test, ISO100, texture on globe).

It's not perfect, and I'm definitely not suggesting that it's a better camera than Nikon's top-line DSLR, but dang, it's pretty impressive for a camera, let alone a smartphone camera.

RE: PureView on the 920
By someguy123 on 9/1/2012 3:29:17 AM , Rating: 4
Lets not get hasty. Some of the objects are shifted in those comparison shots and the 808 is substantially noisier/appears to interpolate lines often. I agree that it's pretty amazing for a cellphone camera, though. I've had people try and tell me that the iphone 4s/galaxy s3 have good cameras, but then they sit and run the images through a punch of app filters, which don't help at all. This thing is lightyears ahead of other cellphone cameras.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 9/1/2012 4:56:32 PM , Rating: 3
Like I said, I'm not suggesting that the 808 is better than a D800, but the mere fact that it is comparable (in at least some metrics) is astounding.

Don't forget that the D800 is using a pro grade lens stopped down to f/11, while the 808 is shooting at f/2.4 (non-adjustable aperture). To be able to capture more detail than the DSLR combination is staggering.

As to interpolation, almost every* commercial camera does that - it's a function of the Bayer color filter and anti-aliasing filter. The AA filter is probably what's holding the D800 back moreso than the lens or sensor. The 808 is doing a pretty good job here - color moire and jaggies are very well controlled.

I agree with you that a smaller 21MP unit would make more sense to the majority of the market. I'm definitely interested to see how it will perform. I do have some hope that the renders are not accurate and we will at least get a Xenon flash in the 920. Would I consider getting a (hypothetical) 21MP 920 over a 41 MP 808? Definitely... maybe.

* Exceptions that I know of would be the Leica M9 Monochrom and Sigma's Foveon-sensor cameras (SDx, DPx series). But these aren't without their own drawbacks and sacrifices, and are very niche products.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Manch on 9/2/2012 8:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
Another interesting camera is the lytro. Waiting on 2nd Gen before I buy one.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 12:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
Mitch, I don't find those specs very credible.

For one thing, that is very clearly not a Xenon flash.

I might have believed a 21 MP sensor - that would be a 1/1.8" sensor with the same pixel pitch as the 808.

The official specs will be, well, official. I may be wrong on this, but the 21MP rumor just seems more likely to me.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Mitch101 on 8/31/2012 1:30:39 PM , Rating: 2
Thats the thing we really wont know until the 5th but 21MP or 41MP. But Im looking forward to how well it can capture and image and video as the final say.

For the first time I don't think they will be skimping on the hardware. Not with the way Nokia is flapping their mouths at Samsung. Nokia has to deliver on the hardware.

When Nokia offers Samsung a Camera for a wedding taking place they have to be delivering something good.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 1:14:01 PM , Rating: 2
Correction to my last post. A 21 MP sensor with 1.4um pixel pitch would be 1/1.67", not 1/1.8".

Not sure if there's enough evidence to support this speculation, but at least it sounds plausible to me.

RE: PureView on the 920
By haukionkannel on 9/1/2012 11:41:16 AM , Rating: 2
Even if it is only 21MP pure view, it may still be the second best phone camera in the market after 808.
This is more likely to sell more than win8 camera that is as big as 808 is. I am guite sure, that we will see allso win8 version of "808" type phone some time. But in the beginning this is easier to sell masses. Propable a little bit cheaper and not so thick.
Not a bad product at all! Many, like me is allso wainting for "real" 808 succesor, but I am very eager to find out how near this can get in picture guality!

RE: PureView on the 920
By raddude9 on 8/31/12, Rating: 0
RE: PureView on the 920
By AmbroseAthan on 8/31/2012 12:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
Once I am looking to replace my P&S, I will probably look for something similar with Android (or other OS) built in just for the connectivity of the device. Currently I use a Nikon P300 and couldn't be happier with the low light abilities of it.

If this is full PureView (as I agree the packaging seems small), it would make a great phone for when I don't have my DSLR or P&S with me.

RE: PureView on the 920
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 12:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with AmbroseAthan.

The Galaxy camera isn't a replacement for a cameraphone, precisely because it isn't a "phone", per se (no GSM/LTE connectivity). So unlike a phone, it's not something you will always have with you.

It's also not a replacement for an 808, because the 1/2.3" sensor on it is even smaller than the 1/1.8" sensor on the old N8, let alone the 1/1.2" 808 sensor.

True, it has a zoom lens, but so does every other compact camera in its class. Other than running Android apps, it doesn't distinguish itself from the P&S crowd.

I'm after a cameraphone with a large sensor and a bright lens that can keep up with my system camera, especially in low light and indoors. If the 920 doesn't have a large sensor, I'd consider the 808 over any other cameraphone at the moment (notice I said cameraphone instead of smartphone, imaging is a priority for me, and I'm willing to take the usability and app hit of symbian over android to get what I want. Your mileage may vary).

Looks nice
By Belard on 8/31/2012 12:22:15 PM , Rating: 1
I really like the look and colors of the Lumia 820. Now, if it ran Android - they'd most likely have a sale from me.

It really looks different from all other cell-phones on the market... without the super-size screen.

If I was in the market for a WinPhone... guess it'll be it. But the customer support from Nokia would make me nervous.

RE: Looks nice
By Flunk on 8/31/2012 12:27:22 PM , Rating: 3
Have you ever tried Windows Phone, you might like it.

RE: Looks nice
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 1:49:24 PM , Rating: 2
I tried out the Lumia 900 and didn't like it.

Found the interface jarring and very space inefficient. Granted, it's an interface that takes getting used to, so it might grow on a person with time (then again, I really hate Metro in W8 as well).

What I really didn't like, though, were the areas that WP7 was deficient to Symbian and Android phones (I have a N8, my wife has a SGS2):
* No file manager
* Lousy multitasking
* No bluetooth file transfer (yes, MS touts Skydrive, but that's useless to me when I go overseas or am in a bad reception area)
* No MTP/USB mode
* Buggy offline maps support
* No SD card hotmount/expandability
* Locked-in choice of app store (there are 10 or so different places to buy android apps from, including android market, amazon, opera, handango, YAAM, etc. I can also buy/download apps direct from the developer for Symbian. No such luck with windows phone, it's microsoft or the highway)

WP8 will hopefully address most (but not all) of these issues. If nokia makes a good enough camera in their pureview phone, it might tempt me to the dark side, but I'm aware I'll be giving up a lot of freedom for it.

RE: Looks nice
By Belard on 9/3/2012 8:40:39 PM , Rating: 2
I use Launcher7 on my Android phone... so I get the look and feel of WP7... with all the benefits of Android. I've been using it since before the Lumias ever came out.

Its more advanced than WP7/8 in some ways. The tiles rotate depending on the phones orientation and I can have custom tile Individual colors.

So my tiles are blue - but my PHONE/DIAL button is green.

I hate Windows 8 and will never buy a MS-powered phone - I'm done with them.

Also, Android 4.0 is quite nice and does what I want - so I'll most likely NOT be using Launcher7 when I do my upgrade next week or so.

RE: Looks nice
By Moishe on 8/31/2012 1:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone is pretty nice. I've been satisfied with mine, and most importantly to me, they've constantly updated it and given it more and more features.

second best
By Captain Awesome on 8/31/2012 11:57:27 AM , Rating: 2
I'd rather have Samsung's new WP8 phone, it looked better and had a bigger screen...

RE: second best
By fhumphrey04 on 8/31/2012 12:20:13 PM , Rating: 3
I'm actually hoping that the 4.3" 820 has similar specs to the 920, besides the camera. I really wish phone makers would offer smart phones with high end specs that dont have 5" screens just because they barely fit into my pocket and I find them awkward to use with just one hand.

If I want to watch movies, read books, or surf the web, I'll just go ahead and use a 10"+ tablet. If I'm completely honest, I would not object to having a device with a sub 4" screen...

Unfortunately I am the minority in this battle and the trend is "bigger is better" :(

RE: second best
By Moishe on 8/31/2012 1:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Make everything the same quality and same specs otherwise, but give it a smaller screen.

I'd go for that.

RE: second best
By Kyuu on 8/31/2012 3:33:35 PM , Rating: 2
I'm in the opposite camp. After having used the iPhone 4 with it's sub-4" screen for so long, I'm definitely looking forward to getting a phone with a ~5" screen. Just is a lot easier to browse web pages and watch videos on the larger screen.

I'd love to get the Galaxy Note with WP8 on it, actually, but I don't think Samsung has plans for that at the moment and I'm already having to wait until late October to ditch the iPhone. So, I can't wait and will have to decide between the Lumia and what amounts to the Galaxy S2 with WP8 on it, unless some other compelling Windows phones are unveiled.

Renders vs Photos
By Voldenuit on 8/31/2012 2:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
OK, looks like those leaked renders weren't very accurate.

GSMarena has updated their leak page with some photos, and they don't look anything like the renders.

By sikku on 9/2/2012 2:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
HTC windows 8 phones pictures and specs are also leaked, there are three different range phones have alook at this

By sikku on 9/2/2012 2:52:25 PM , Rating: 2
HTC windows 8 phones leaked out look at this

By sikku on 9/5/2012 6:09:44 PM , Rating: 2
great phone with amazing specs ... have alook in detail at "

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