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New Surface Pro model coming next week

When it comes to Microsoft's Surface and Surface Pro tablets, the Redmond, Washington-based company hasn't exactly had a hit on its hands. One might say that a lack of storage space isn't the primary reason for consumer's apprehension of Surface, but that isn't stopping Microsoft from making available an even more expensive version for the U.S. market.
 
According to Windows Phone Central, the 256GB Microsoft Surface Pro that made its way to Japan in late May will wind up on our shores next week. The price of entry for the new model is a hefty $1,199 at CDW.

 
According to Windows Phone Central, the increase in storage capacity is the only change this time around, so those hoping to score a Surface Pro with Haswell power will have to wait until a refresh comes along.

Source: Windows Phone Central



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no thanks
By mik123 on 7/1/13, Rating: 0
RE: no thanks
By zinc0099 on 7/1/13, Rating: 0
RE: no thanks
By OoklaTheMok on 7/1/2013 6:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
So it should be as slow and restrictive as an iPad? This seems rather odd... One hand complains that it doesn't do enough, the other complains it does too much. Which is it?

The Surface Pro is essentially an ultrabook, in tablet form. It's not trying to compete with the iPad, because the iPad is a restricted use device that can't do anything without first buying an app. Surface Pro runs all your "old" software fast, much faster than an iPad could run it, if it were even able to run the software.

Why can't I expand the memory on an iPad? Can I directly connect an iPad to two monitors? Ok, how about just one? USB? Etc...

The two devices, whether you want to acknowledge it or not are in two distinctly different categories. The iPad is for playing around and doing light work. The Surface Pro is equally suitable for play and heavy-duty work.

Can I play Command & Conquer on an iPad? Flash support to watch Hulu web-only content? Nope... then an iPad doesn't play too much for me beyond what Apply will give me permission to.


RE: no thanks
By kmmatney on 7/2/2013 12:51:26 AM , Rating: 3
The problem for me is the 10.6" display - a bit small to do real work, at least for me. I'd rather just do real work with a cheaper laptop, and use a cheaper tablet for games and casual use.


RE: no thanks
By stm1185 on 7/1/2013 2:45:32 PM , Rating: 4
I'd only require Haswell ULT and 128gb SSD+ base. 1080p at 11.6 is fine, and in fact I prefer it as the GPU is not going to handle real windows gaming at retina levels. I am a grown man, so the weight and thickness isn't an issue. Cost seems about right.


RE: no thanks
By chizow on 7/1/2013 4:11:03 PM , Rating: 1
My requirements are similar, although I mainly want half the thickness, better battery life, included typepad for $600-700.


RE: no thanks
By drumsticks on 7/1/2013 5:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
ROFL. You're kidding right? There is literally not a single ultrabook on the market that would fulfill those requirements. That's unbelievably impossible.

Intel CPU = 300$ +
1080P display let alone retina ~ 75$
256GB SSD = 200$ average
4GB Ram = 30$ minimum
Chipset ~100$
Battery ~50-100$ (probably 100$)

Of course they get discounts for buying bulk, but I haven't even STARTED on the chassis etc. and you're at 800$ish. You're asking for something that not even the lowest possible margins (zero) could give. 1200$ for this would be a decent price for it, if they bundled it with a type cover, and even then being 100$ off isn't *that* bad.

The surface pro shouldn't be any less than a thousand dollars for the power it brings. It's a full on ultrabook, there's no other real comparison, unless you want to consider the ipad that performs at less than 50% of the performance (much so?) for half+ the cost. Not to mention a 64GB ipad is probably 600$ while a 1200$ surface pro is 256gb, and you're comparing EMMC to a full blown SSD.

The price is fine. Surface Pro isn't competing with the ipad, it's competing with the MBA, which has no IPS panel by the way, and loses out on resolution. It will be updated to Haswell with windows 8.1 - for now MSFT just needs to clear stock.


RE: no thanks
By TheJian on 7/3/2013 5:23:06 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is the $400 to intel and of course the expensive OS.

Cut Intel/MS out and put in android/SOC and they get reasonable again. Android is FREE, and a SOC goes for $20-30.

It is only reasonable if you like MS and Intel taking you to the cleaners when other options are readily available for the kind of crap this thing is suppose to do :) You won't be doing major work on screens like this etc.

Ultrabooks are just as ridiculous. Which is why those don't sell either. Look at Intel's quarterly reports and even their own words in their conference calls. "er, um, I guess ULTRA expensive Ultra light crap doesn't sell as well as we thought"...LOL. Well, duh, not against FAR cheaper toys that do most people's stuff just fine. Anything under 13in to me is a toy, and I'd even say those are too. I wouldn't design content on anything under 17in, and even that would be extremely painful and only until I could get a back to a desktop ASAP with a 24in etc and more power.

4GB is not $30 when buying millions. 256GB SSD's are not $200 either even singles.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
sandisk 256, $160. In millions? Probably $130.

At this $1200 price, I can pick up a totally LOADED 17in from HP etc that I can actually GAME or work on with NV650m, i7, 2 drives, 8-16GB of main memory etc. These are a tough sell to all but a few NICHE people that need the word ULTRA in the same sentence with their purchase :)

http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Surface+Sales+M...
Sales now projected DOWN 1%, vs UP for android tablets expected to be 50% of the market this year...LOL. Nobody cares about windows in this format (basically tablet+keyboards, HP etc selling T4 based models like this for $500, Toshiba/Asus too). You don't work on these (though they're pitching them for that, it won't be done). They've only sold 400K of surface pro (march) and only expected another 600K this Q (I think that's both rt and pro though)...That's a failure vs. others. You going to load up Adobe CS6 suite on this thing with 4GB? Heck no, I want an i7, 16GB and HUGE storage for that to get real work done, not to mention GPU acceleration on top! This thing is a GPU dog and will never get faster. You're better off with a REAL laptop with some actual power if you want to WORK. These are less useful than a REAL ultrabook which I already have issues with :)


RE: no thanks
By jkresh on 7/1/2013 6:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
I agree on Haswell, and I would like a higher res display (which is why I am interested in the samsung...) thickness and weight really are not bad as it stands and price is fine for what it is (again once it has haswell). It is not entirely reasonable to compare a surface with an ipad for price (or if you do then you need to compare on features as well, an in terms of features I think surface has quite an advantage in that it is a full fledged computer)....


RE: no thanks
By althaz on 7/1/2013 7:08:53 PM , Rating: 2
I would by a dozen of those tablets, haha :).

I would welcome Haswell, the thickness is a non-issue (it's not thick by any definitions), weight doesn't bother me particularly, but lighter would definitely be better. "Retina" display can go jump in a lake, the 1080p screen IS impossible to distinguish from a "retina" display if you have 20:10 vision or worse (I have worse) in terms of resolution, but is easier to drive. As a side benefit, the Surface Pro screen can be properly calibrated and has superior contrast (which is the most important element of screen quality to the human eye).

Price-wise I think the Surface Pro is an absolute bargain, it (for me) replaces a tablet and a laptop (though it should be noted that I didn't use a laptop on the go, merely transported it from place to place and used it, the Surface Pro is not great for in-transit productivity - except drawing).


RE: no thanks
By tayb on 7/1/2013 8:22:26 PM , Rating: 2
Do you want it to perform magic spells as well? What you're asking for doesn't exist at any price. To cut the weight and thickness in half they would need to remove the battery or invent new technologies.

Basically you want the most amazing device ever created and you want it for cheap. Ridiculous.


RE: no thanks
By flyingpants1 on 7/1/2013 10:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
Not really, all he wants is Haswell and a better display.

You can't cut thickness by half, but you can cut it by about 33% to around 9-10mm, matching the ipad.


RE: no thanks
By mik123 on 7/1/2013 10:16:54 PM , Rating: 1
Actually you can cut the thickness in half.
Sony Xperia Tablet Z is 6.9mm (Surface Pro is 13mm).
And the weight is 495g vs 907g.


RE: no thanks
By tayb on 7/2/2013 9:20:15 AM , Rating: 2
That's an Android tablet with a Snapdragon SOC... so who cares? The comparison is meaningless.


RE: no thanks
By mik123 on 7/1/2013 10:13:01 PM , Rating: 2
Oh really? That's funny, because, for example, Sony didn't invent any new technologies with Xperia Tablet Z, and it's half the thickness and half the weight of the overpriced brick from Redmond.


RE: no thanks
By mazeroni on 7/1/2013 11:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
I just looked up the hardware specs for the Xperia. It runs Android instead of Windows 8, uses a Snapdragon processor instead of an i5, has only 2gb of ram vs 4gb, 16gb/32 of internal storage vs a 64/128/256 SSD. The pro has a HD4000 graphics card but I don't know what the Xperia runs. Also the pro can add an external monitor. I use Photoshop CS5 and steam on my pro. I don't understand the comparison. Did I miss something or can I run CS5/ Steam on the Xperia?


RE: no thanks
By inteli722 on 7/2/2013 10:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
I"m fine with the weight and thickness, though it appears I'm the only one who likes something to feel well built and solid...
If Microsoft improves the font scaling, then I'm all for a higher-res display.

price and haswell are fine.


RE: no thanks
By Visual on 7/2/2013 10:31:27 AM , Rating: 2
That is a bit too extreme. Not saying that the majority of people don't think exactly like you, but the majority of people also wouldn't know or care about the difference between x86 and ARM, Windows and Android/iOS, web pages and programs, etc.

For those that actually want and can make use of a real windows tablet, higher prices are acceptable. We've been made to accept even 2k+ prices for heavy convertibles back in the day... Personally I'm still prepared to pay 1.5k-2k if a manufacturer gets things right.


RE: no thanks
By Wolfpup on 7/2/2013 1:47:32 PM , Rating: 2
Most of these are nonsensical. "Retina display"? That's a meaningless Apple term. This thing already has a 1080p IPS display despite it only being 10.6".

Weight/height? Have you seen one? It's already really small and light.

$800 or less? That would be awesome, but it's not remotely realistic right now.

Haswell-THAT'S the one thing I agree with. It's out now, and needs to be in this thing for the 20% better GPU and whatnot.


OMFG
By Motoman on 7/1/2013 2:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
$1,200?

Are they serious?

Wow. Sales figures on this bargain item are likely to number in the dozens.




RE: OMFG
By zinc0099 on 7/1/2013 2:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
Well... That is CDW's price and they seem to have the worst anywhere. I really dont know why anyone shops there.


RE: OMFG
By otherwise on 7/1/2013 3:06:15 PM , Rating: 3
CDW mainly sells via account managers to mid sized and large companies. Everything on their site is pretty much MSRP to make the discounts your reps give you look as large as possible. I don't think many (any?) people buy from CDW directly.


$1200???
By BRB29 on 7/1/2013 3:00:19 PM , Rating: 1
At this price, you might as well buy a zenbook or any of the new 11-13" ultrabooks. They are about just as thin with a bigger screen, same or better battery life.




RE: $1200???
By TakinYourPoints on 7/1/2013 7:17:41 PM , Rating: 2
For about the same price you can get a faster 13" Haswell MBA with a larger screen and (according to Anandtech) 13 hours of battery life.

Surface Pro at this price, nah


RE: $1200???
By w8gaming on 7/3/2013 5:05:03 AM , Rating: 2
This is true. Surface Pro has an older CPU that just pale in comparison compare to the Haswell based CPU now as far as battery consumption goes. I am not sure why Microsoft do not send their existing inventory to be refitted with Haswell CPU. Call it Surface Pro plus or something while they works on Surface Pro 2. I guess Microsoft is just not that savvy in running hardware business even though they try to be a "device company".


These things are worth about $399
By flyingpants1 on 7/1/2013 9:51:31 PM , Rating: 1
Do you people realise these things are worth about $399? Go to Amazon and look up the Asus X202e.

Core i3, 4GB, add a HINGE. WOW. A convertible Core tablet for $399. You could even swap the 500GB HDD with a 64GB SSD for the same price.

Anyone who pays $1000+ for one of these Surface-y things is a terrible person.




RE: These things are worth about $399
By Argon18 on 7/2/13, Rating: 0
By w8gaming on 7/2/2013 7:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
By the same reasoning, Macbook Air will suffer the same fate. But no.


By WeaselITB on 7/2/2013 5:08:01 PM , Rating: 2
So, here's what you're getting with the ASUS X202E for $429.99 vs. a Surface Pro 64GB for $899.99 ($1029.99 with Type Cover) --

- i3-3217U 1.8GHz -vs- i5-3317 1.7GHz/2.6GHz (Pro wins)
- 4GB RAM -vs- 4GB RAM (equal)
- 500GB 5400rpm -vs- 64GB SSD (Pro wins)
- 11.6" 1366x768 -vs- 10.6" 1080p (Pro wins)
- "HD" web Camera -vs- 2x720p cameras (Pro wins)
- 802.11a/b/g/n and BT 4.0 -vs- 802.11a/b/g/n and BT 4.0 (equal)
- Generic touchscreen -vs- Wacom digitizer w/pen and 10-point multitouch (Pro wins)
- Pseudo-aluminum -vs- Vapor Magnesium alloy (Pro wins)
- Connectivity ports (X202E wins barely)
- 38WHr -vs- 42Whr (essentially equal)
- 0.85" thick -vs- about 0.72" with Type Cover (Pro wins)

Yep. Boy, sure glad you're skimping out by picking up that ASUS.

The Surface Pro is a premium product. It's priced with a premium pricetag. Folks don't seem to understand this.


Terrible Marketing
By YearOfTheDingo on 7/2/2013 12:35:49 AM , Rating: 3
I find it rather puzzling how Microsoft promotional pictures for the Surface never shows it running productivity software. That's the whole point of having Windows on a tablet. Why would you showcase the keyboard alongside the Metro start screen? You can't type stuff into it! Hello?




RE: Terrible Marketing
By WeaselITB on 7/2/2013 4:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
You've ... you've not used Windows 8, have you?


These would have a difficult time selling for $800
By TheJian on 7/3/2013 4:54:37 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, rethinking that, $700 or no sales. They really don't WANT to sell these do they?

To top it off, only japan gets a free copy of office 2013...LOL. In US that costs more.

They will sell 5 of these. :) And I think that is a generous number...ROFL. I'm puzzled as to why they can't figure out everything else is HUNDREDS cheaper so you will never sell except to suckers or MS employees. Get ready to give them away to schools also. Nobody will buy, and they'll be old and still on the shelf in 6 months as newer faster things come along and they'll have to give them out free to schools again.




By w8gaming on 7/3/2013 5:12:06 AM , Rating: 2
$1199 is the same price of 256Gb 11" Macbook Air. And you don't see that sells only 5 units. Those vendors which are cheaper do not come with extra such as digitizer, so it is not a fair comparison. Obviously there are people who can afford this at such price while there are those who feel this is not worth it. But to generalize that this will sell 5 units are way too much. But I do think Microsoft is slow in rolling out their product, and even slower to update their hardware when Haswell CPU is already available. They will never be a successful device company at their current pace.


Yay!
By jharper12 on 7/1/2013 4:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
$1,200 and I can't even get mobile broadband built-in as an expensive option. You go Microsoft! Or course nobody who would actually be willing to spend $1k+ on your tablet would consider paying extra for internet access, please do continue to have complete faith in your focus groups and studies of regular folks who would never purchase this thing in the first place.




By Wolfpup on 7/2/2013 1:44:55 PM , Rating: 2
^ That. Should have been available, and IMO for the price of the 128 from the beginning. 256GB is starting to at least be useable if you're careful and make use of external storage.




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