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Thermoelectric materials are not cheap or efficient, but researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are looking to change that.

Thermoelectric materials, materials which generate voltage when they are subjected to heat, or when a voltage is applied become hot on a side and cold on the other, are not new. In fact they've been around for nearly a century. Though understood, thermoelectric materials didn't see practical applications until the 1960s, with work done by former MIT professor and president Paul Gray.

The cornerstone of the research is that, even in the present, thermoelectric materials are typically very inefficient. An efficient thermoelectric material must be good at conducting electricity, but not heat, a property most do not possess. A current MIT professor, Mildred S. Dresselhaus, and her team are working to address the issue with new composite materials.


What the team found is that engineering tiny structures into the material can alter the conductive behavior. Even structures as small as a few billionths of a meter interfere with the flow of heat, but allow electricity to travel unobstructed. The structures could be as simple as a matrix of nanoscale particles or wires.

Dresselhaus began her work in the 1990s, and the US Navy took interest. Air conditioning systems and power generation in submarines keep them from being truly silent, and advanced thermoelectric materials could provide a way to reduce both. Her current research in semiconductor materials and nanostructures is sponsored by NASA.

Recent advances in thermoelectric materials have garnered attention from even automotive manufacturers. Most of the energy created from combustion engines is lost as heat, thermoelectric materials may provide a way to utilize this heat in the form of electrical generation for systems in the vehicle. Other technologies, such as photovoltaics, most commonly seen as solar cells, could benefit from the materials as well, using not only the sun's light, but its heat to generate power. Materials could even be built into microchips, greatly enhancing their heat dissipation properties, allowing either cooler running chips, or even faster processing.

The work is not simply theoretical. At least one company has had minor success with a thermoelectric seat cooling device for automobiles.   As technology moves, maybe we could see these new materials in every day devices, like kinetically powered thermoses that keep drinks cool or hot or solar-powered passive cooling systems for car interiors on hot summer days.


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Interesting
By FITCamaro on 11/27/2007 3:03:53 PM , Rating: 4
I particularly interested in the automotive applications. Imagine a gas engine that produces power not just in drive to the wheels, but also the heat released was used to generate energy for an electric motor.

Also would make cars like Chevy's Volt concept which use the idea of the gas motor just generating electricity twice as good. The motor would not only generate electricity from being a generator, but also the heat released would generate additional energy. Even things like regular generators would benefit from this.

You'd be using the power of the explosion of the gas in the chamber to generate power but also the resulting heat.




RE: Interesting
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/27/2007 3:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
Would be an awesome idea to improve efficiency if these materials can sustain those kind of forces.


RE: Interesting
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/27/2007 3:09:00 PM , Rating: 2
Run to patent office buddy!


RE: Interesting
By nemrod on 11/27/2007 4:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
Patent?

From the text above:

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Recent advances in thermoelectric materials have garnered attention from even automotive manufacturers. Most of the energy created from combustion engines is lost as heat, thermoelectric materials may provide a way to utilize this heat in the form of electrical generation for systems in the vehicle.


I have perhaps missed something but for me, he is just emphasing this point.


RE: Interesting
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/28/2007 10:39:40 AM , Rating: 2
Well, the way I envisioned that was that the thermoelectrics were considerably further away from the heat source than in the combustion chamber.

I think these materials are still way too delicate for that, but I would not be surprised if someone much smarter devises methods for integrating them into tougher materials.


RE: Interesting
By LogicallyGenius on 11/29/2007 3:33:57 AM , Rating: 2
With good thermoelectric cells there will be no need of combustion.


RE: Interesting
By FITCamaro on 11/27/2007 4:21:42 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe I'll get lucky, a high up at GM will see that post, and hire me as one of their guys who comes up with new cars. I'd have RWD back in every GM vehicle by 2012.

And I'd hire assassin's to take out key engineers from all the other auto manufacturers. ;) Maybe I've been playing Assassin's Creed too much.

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RE: Interesting
By Polynikes on 11/27/2007 5:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe for each one you kill, another 3 would glady take their place.

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing GM improve their product line, but unless you somehow send their competitors out of business, they'll always have decent engineers on staff.

I like your RWD in every car idea, though. :)


RE: Interesting
By TomZ on 11/27/2007 6:19:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I like your RWD in every car idea, though.

You RWD nuts crack me up. I live in Michigan, and we get some snow here. All it takes is about 1/4" of snow on the roads to spin all the RWD cars into ditches. :o)

I'm exaggerating a bit, but seriously, I've driven RWD cars in the ice and snow, and it sucks. I'm AWD all the time now - have AWD in both vehicles and would never go back.


RE: Interesting
By djc208 on 11/27/2007 8:48:15 PM , Rating: 1
The stability control systems have made them much better, you almost have to try to spin them out. AWD makes it easier to get around in bad weather but of course stopping is the one you have to worry about and AWD doesn't help there.

Outside of that RWD is better from a performance/handling standpoint and makes for easier packaging. Plus the cool Dukes of Hazard maneuvers you can pull!


RE: Interesting
By afkrotch on 11/28/2007 10:59:45 AM , Rating: 2
Eh? AWD is always better. Bad weather, good weather, handling, etc. Faster takeoffs, more traction, etc. Not sure exactly where AWD loses out.

Tons of AWD cars are banned from competition racing for "unfair advantage" against other manufacturers. FIA Super Touring bans AWD. Formula 1 bans AWD.

Better performance? WTF does that have to do with the drive wheels. Last I checked a 500 hp engine had 500 hp regardless if it were FWD, RWD, or AWD. That's like saying "My dad's Camaro at 60 mph is so much faster than your mom's minivan at 60 mph."

Also majority of high performance AWD vehicles don't have a 50/50 split power. Usually 40/60 or 30/70. You still get the drifting nature of a RWD, while actually having the ability to regain traction at a moment's notice. STIs have an adjustment knob allowing you to change it from 50/50 to 40/60.


RE: Interesting
By theapparition on 11/28/2007 8:11:55 AM , Rating: 2
So you'd sacrafice the 11 months of non-snow/ice roads for the maybe 30 days of winter driving conditions a year?

In bad weather, I just take the 4WD. The rest of the time, its all RWD.


RE: Interesting
By TomZ on 11/28/2007 8:59:09 AM , Rating: 2
What "sacrifice" do you mean? My AWD cars handle great on dry as well as wet pavement.

Even if there is a tiny improvement in handling with RWD, it's not worth even a slight decrease in safety for me or my family. Safety is far and away my primary consideration.


RE: Interesting
By Strunf on 11/28/2007 11:35:18 AM , Rating: 2
I don't even get it why there's still RWD cars, I mean FWD is 10x better on all aspects, only AWD would be better under some conditions like bad roads, snow etc...


RE: Interesting
By masher2 (blog) on 11/28/2007 11:44:56 AM , Rating: 2
> " I mean FWD is 10x better on all aspects"

Untrue. RWD distributes the weight of the vehicle better, and performs better under fast acceleration. Cars with RWD tend to turn better also, as you don't have a massive drive shaft assembly attached to your turning wheels.

On wet or icy roads, FWD has better traction however, and its slightly cheaper to build a car with FWD.


RE: Interesting
By Strunf on 11/28/2007 1:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
Dude it's pretty obvious I was being overly optimistic... I mean 10x better under all conditions, no one on it's right mind would really think such thing.

Anyway I doubt a RWD car will turn better than a FWD car, at least thats the feeling I get from the many auto tests I've seen.


RE: Interesting
By Pneumothorax on 11/28/2007 8:45:53 PM , Rating: 2
Have you actually driven a rwd car? My GF has a 335i coupe with stick and I have a 08' Acura TL-S with 6M and I prefer her car to mine when handling at the limit. You can definitely feel that >60% of my car's weight is on it's front wheels. The front suspension also gets upset when I'm taking a long sweeper and hit a rough patch which all too common in socal roads. (Maybe that's why I'm not too sympathetic to snow belters, I can always take my Tacoma with BFG all terrains when I go snowboarding.)


RE: Interesting
By InsaneGain on 11/28/2007 12:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
First of all, under acceleration, the weight of a vehicle shifts toward the rear of the vehicle, giving more traction to the rear wheels. This is why no racing cars have FWD. The reason why people think that FWD is safer on slippery roads is because when a FWD loses traction it understeers which the is a safer situation than RWD oversteer for the average driver.

Rear wheel drive has better weight distribution and places each wheel under more even loads, resulting in better handling and traction on dry roads. The more even weight distribution also improve braking performance as there is less tendency for any wheels to lock up under heavy braking. No front wheel drive car could seriously be considered a performance car. You wont ever see a BMW with FWD.

The disadvantage of AWD is it's significant weight increase and increased costs in both fuel economy and purchase price. They have more traction under acceleration, but I wouldn't be surprised if accident rates for AWD vehicles were not statistically lower than RWD or FWD vehicles. I have a selectable AWD vehicle, and even during the winter I hardly ever put it in AWD, and I get around just fine. I only put it in AWD after a heavy snowfall, before it is cleared away. I'm not even sure if I would get another AWD.