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Attacks may have started much earlier than though

The internet is rife with crime and theft of all types. Some nefarious users steal passwords to social networking sites and online games while some go after corporate and government secrets. One of the most publicized cyber attacks in recent memory was perpetrated against Google last year.

Google announced in January that its corporate network had been attacked and that Gmail accounts of activists who spoke out against the Chinese government were targeted. Google also revealed that the attacks resulted in the theft of IP and the search giant went so far as to threaten to leave the Chinese search market. The attacks allegedly occurred from within China and led to a confrontation between the Chinese government, Google, and the U.S. government.

The Chinese government has long maintained that it does not approve or condone cyber attacks and hacking within its country. A Chinese official said, "[China] bans using the Internet to subvert state power and wreck national unity, to incite ethnic hatred and division, to promote cults and to distribute content that is pornographic, salacious, violent or terrorist. China has an ample legal basis for punishing such harmful content, and there is no room for doubting this. This is completely different from so-called restriction of Internet freedom."

Reuters reports that a probe of the attacks against Google and 20 other U.S. businesses has pointed to a pair of Chinese schools as the originating point of the attacks. Sources close to the investigation told the New York Times that the probes have found that the Shanghai Jiaotong University and the Lanxiang Vocational School in China were the source of the attacks.

The evidence has linked a computer science class at the vocational school to the attacks. The class is taught by a professor from the Ukraine. The probe has also found that the attacks may have started as early as April of 2009, which is much earlier than the attacks were believed to have been launched. Google would only say that its investigation was ongoing and offered no comment.

No comment was offered from either of the Chinese schools.

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By roostitup on 2/19/2010 10:00:35 AM , Rating: 4
Chinese schools = Chinese Government. How are they going to get themselves out of this one!

RE: interesting...
By Lord 666 on 2/19/2010 10:15:47 AM , Rating: 2
Execute some 12 year olds? Blame it on the kiddies and then sweep it under the carpet. Thats how they are going to do it.

RE: interesting...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/19/2010 10:12:27 AM , Rating: 3
Bring back Bill Clinton, tell him the school is an aspirin factory, and the rest will sort itself out :P

RE: interesting...
By someguy123 on 2/19/2010 10:22:43 AM , Rating: 1
Not like the school got their staff together and decided to attack google.

Most likely the professors will be blamed if they don't single out students.

RE: interesting...
By WoWCow on 2/19/2010 1:35:41 PM , Rating: 4
Ah this takes me back...

Compare to how the lawyers pursue the internet pirates.

Obviously the investigators can trace it back to the Chinese - but the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Unless the defendant has somehow "confessed" Ex. Pay the lawyer/accuser or responded with anything that suggests they committed a crime.

Right now, all the Chinese government have to do is deny any wrongdoings - as they are doing right now. They are NOT responsible for actions of individual and all the investigators can do is point their fingers until evidence is found and proves Chinese government involvement.

RE: interesting...
By nafhan on 2/19/2010 1:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
The same way they always do. Probably one of the below will occur:
1) If there is good enough evidence and they don't really like the guy in charge, they will jail/execute him. Then back to business as usual.
2) Variation on 1: instead of the guy in charge, blame and jail some students who have made anti-government statements. Then back to business as usual.
3) They will continue to say the evidence is not conclusive and we are just trying to make them look bad. Continue business as usual.
I figure 3 is the most likely.

RE: interesting...
By mindless1 on 2/19/2010 6:43:19 PM , Rating: 2
4) Pick an enemy of the government upon which they can place this as a plausible action, announce they have detained him and leave him in prison for the rest of his life w/o any opportunity for outsiders to gather evidence... or just execute him but claim he's in a prison they will not allow access to.

By TechIsGr8 on 2/19/2010 11:42:19 AM , Rating: 2
Why are we still giving so much money to these Commies? Where are all the Reagan Republicans, who should be outraged at our lusting for all things Communist Chinese? End the USA CEOs' free ride of bonuses, end trade with China, bring the jobs back to America.

RE: Why
By chenjf on 2/19/2010 11:59:51 AM , Rating: 4
That wont work as if you have all US corporations pull out of China, you just leave those 3-4 billion potential customers to other countries' corporations.

And then where do you end up with? Jobs inside America that cant export to one of the BIGGEST market in the world which just ends up with less jobs inside America as there arent enough customers to keep up with demand.

We need to think through the consequences.

RE: Why
By JonnyDough on 2/19/2010 2:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
We're China's biggest customer I think, aren't we? We're still one of the top buyers of elaborate goods in the world...

RE: Why
By mindless1 on 2/19/2010 6:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
In the long term a policy of isolationism will hurt the US more than help it. Remember that the US benefits from the cheap labor in the orient, we can't just make it ourself and maintain the same standard of living, and ESPECIALLY not with all the new environmental restrictions and energy taxes soon to be thrust upon us by you know who.

RE: Why
By AnnihilatorX on 2/20/2010 6:25:28 PM , Rating: 2
Either there is something really wrong with your head, or
I will take that as sarcasm.

How sophisticated?
By UncleRufus on 2/19/2010 10:35:01 AM , Rating: 2
I keep reading that these attacks were 'sophisticated'.

Does anyone here have enough expertise to elaborate on how 'sophisticated' these attacks were?

Is it something that could have been done by one bright little fellow, or did it take a team of folks? The media also calls people 'criminal masterminds' because they are able to call a couple people up and synchronize their watches, as if it takes a lex luther, so I wonder on what level these cyber attacks really were. Was it just a matter of phishing someones password?

RE: How sophisticated?
By Despoiler on 2/19/2010 11:06:07 AM , Rating: 3
RE: How sophisticated?
By UncleRufus on 2/19/2010 2:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
Good stuff, thanks!

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