quote: the president decided that protecting the secrecy and security of the program
quote: I think we (USA) should stop getting involved in everything that happens in the world. Now I hear we'll be intervining in Israel over that crisis. It just never stops. Some, rare times -- we are right and just in getting involved....like WWII. However the overwhelming amount of times we have no business and we only bring more pain and suffering through our meddling.
quote: Clearly continuing to apply such a misguided policy to solve the West's problems with Syria, Iran, and N.Korea would lead to disaster. We need to return to more mild, measured military actions, along with diplomacy, economic sanctions, etc. This is the right type of response for these problems, not invasion to remove the governments. Large-scale military operations like Afghanistan and Iraq cannot become the norm.
quote: Because that was clearly working with Iraq?
quote: Then why were we still patrolling the Northern and Southern No-Fly zones over Iraq, over a decade after the Gulf War ended?
quote: By the way, you might want to look up how many times Iraq took potshots at US and British overflights during that period...each of which was, under the original peace treaty and international law, sufficient grounds for a declaration of war and invasion.
quote: At that rate, in only 500 more months, we'll match the number of Iraqis killed by Hossein.
quote: To TomZ...I'd like to reiterate this question.
quote: The goal of the terrorists is to create new extreme Islamic theocracies. [etc., etc]
quote: Our government kills for profit, and ignores the consequences. When those consequences turn into terrorist acts against our citizens, they lie to us and act like they dont know why, and send our youth off to die for thier profits.
quote: I'm sure the German's would have loved to know all our secret programs during WW2.
quote: Now it’s terrorists groups looking for world domination that our supported by nation states.
quote: realistic assessment of the threat does not include the possibility of world domination, or even any real threat to our way of life
quote: Sure it is. WW2 was a nation state Germany looking for world domination.
quote: Comparing the two is a huge stretch. And its ludicrous to even consider the fact that someone seriously thinks the two are comparable.
quote: It was been stated many times that they do not like the way we live and wish to end it.
quote: It's ludicrous to not think this is comparable. The biggest problem is the U.S. hasn't officially gone out and made it a war. We "the west" have an enemy that like the Nazi's have a vision for the world. This vision just happens to be pretty narrow and based off twisted religous beliefs. It was been stated many times that they do not like the way we live and wish to end it. I'm not interested in living under a Taliban style of rule. We wouldn't all be talking about this on the internet that's for sure. Just in person while our wives were all wrapped up in black. No thanks! I'll take my freedom, technology, and quality of life over that everyday!
quote: The terms are slightly different, but the rhetoric is more similar than you think.
quote: do you take the view that the War on Terror is similar to World War II; or that the War on Terror is effectively World War III?
quote: Ionly saw two ways - 1) stay back and do nothing or 2) prevent bad things from happening by acting early. Now, we're all lsitening - tell us your alternative way number three.
quote: > "A perfect example of this was the first Gulf war after Iraq invaded Kuwait. We didn't invade Iraq prior, to prevent an invasion...There are problems with the super proactive strategy that you advocate. First and foremost is the cost in terms of human lives and dollars...
quote: and the possibility that we will not accurately understand a situation properly prior to executing such a war (i.e., we reach the wrong conclusion, as may have happened in Iraq)...
quote: I think any military analyst would agree that, had we fortifiled Kuwait prior to the invasion, the cost in lives and dollars would have been considerably lower, not higher.
quote: Respond in situ with moderation
quote: We also gain responsibility for rebuilding and creating a new government. These are not activities that the U.S. is particularly good at.
quote: If a bomb blows up on a Subway train and kills someone you know or love, are you going to be happy that you maintained your privacy ?
quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
They can listen to me all they want... I have nothing to hide and not to mention it would be a complete waste of their time -
If a bomb blows up on a Subway train and kills someone you know or love, are you going to be happy that you maintained your privacy ?
Sorry... might be an extreme example-
quote: They can listen to me all they want... I have nothing to hide...
quote: National security is national security.... The Washington Post and others seem to enjoy uncovering government secret programs that are designed to protect our country
quote: If our goverment wants to listen on phone conversations regarding suspected terrorist activities I really don't see a problem here
quote: Rights > National Security.
quote: seriously, so far almost all of the comments I've read are taking this far too seriously, and in the wrong way.
quote: The problem is that we don't 'see' the war.
quote: the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons...
quote: We certainly aren't there yet, but where do we as citizens draw the line? When do we actually stand up for ourselves?
quote: Hopefully in November, 2006, and again in November, 2008. Until then, we bite the bullet and hope not much else gets screwed up in the meantime.
quote: Trust me you don't even know what a right winged government is. The GOP is the DNC light. We do have to protect our freedoms but this is a war and as citizens are rights are a little more limited. I think the best thing to do would be for Bush to get on TV. Be real as say this is WW3 and have congress approve it. That way people will understand what this is. We all just don't want to have to sacrifice our cushy lives for a little while in the name of a better future for all. I find this to be a very sad state and what lead every previous world power to fail.
quote: Best of luck to you with Hilary in 2008.
quote: Be real as say this is WW3 and have congress approve it.
quote: Yeah so far in lives lost it is a day at the beach. WW2 didn't start with millions of lives lost right off the bat. This is just the start of a very long and drawn out war. One that isn't as easily identifiable with bombs, tanks, and jets. This is a very sad fact that people need to see those kind of things before they take stuff like this serious.
quote: Sometimes you have to trust the gov.
quote: I agree with you on this one. I don't see why people are getting all upset about the NSA listening in on phone conversations. I don't have anything to hide, and you shouldn't be upset about it unless you do.
quote: FISA is the act; FISC is the actual authorizing court.
quote: Now, ask yourself an honest question. If Bush did proceed without FISC warrants...why did he do so? You're too intelligent to believe he did so, without being cognizant of the political harm, or that he simply desired to suborn civil liberty or make an ostentatious display of power. So, why was this particular method chosen?
quote: Had they done thay, they would have acknowledged the existance of the program...
quote: Anyone who thinks this wiretapping deal is solely about combating terrorism needs to contact me about some prime real estate I have for sale.
quote: Of course, over the next few days after the story came out, various stores were calling the FBI about middle-eastern type people coming in and buying prepaid untraceable cell phones in bunches of 50's and 100's, so now the "wire-tapping" is over anyway.
quote: That's the real value of democracy