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OneDrive went from promising to pathetic in one day flat

It's been quite a weird day.  After all one would never expect that cloud-first CEO Satya Nadella would basically kill everything good that his cloud storage platform OneDrive had going for it.

But let us rewind and recap on the bad news.

Perhaps inspired by the relatively warm reception of its (free) (to most) consumer OS upgrade, Windows 10, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) today quietly announced a sweeping set of changes to OneDrive, it's cloud storage platform, which general mean higher prices and an end to coveted "unlimited" storage accounts.

OneDrive?

Yea, ya know... it replaced SkyDrive.  It's cloud storage like Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) iCloud, Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Drive, and third party offerings like Box, Dropbox, etc.

OneDrive Logo

So?

Well, where this seems very short-sighted and more than a little cash-grabby is in the fact that Windows 10 and Office 2016 are integrating OneDrive much more tightly.  So while it'd be nice to be able to escape it, Windows remains relatively ubiquitous and increasingly where Windows goes OneDrive goes.

About the only logical story line here is that Microsoft is trying to herd users into its $7 USD/month Office 365 plan.  But it's doing so with a whole lot of stick and not much carrot.  My guess -- most will move to third party services.

But let's look at the changes that are rolling down the pipe.

OneDrive

Free...

...will get you 5 GB (before it got you 15 GB).

$1.99 USD/month...

...will now only buy you 50 GB of One Drive cloud storage per month (before it was 100 GB).

OneDrive

100 and 200 GB plans...

...will be phased out fully by early 2016.  Offered at times for $3.99 USD/month to pull in new users Microsoft had deemed less choices is more and has hence opted to phase out the intermediate tiers ... supposedly for good.  Users will have to pick from the free offering (slashed to a third its former size), the $2/month bin (slashed in half) or a $7 USD/month fee for a 1 TB offering.

Existing 100 and 200 GB/month customers...

...will hang tight unless they cancel their plans.  Microsoft writes:

Current customers of standalone OneDrive storage plans (such as a 100 or 200 GB plans) are not affected by these changes.

Again... one more time... the plan is going away for new customers, but there's a grandfather clause of sorts for existing ones.

OneDrive Iceberg
Market research firm Gartner Inc. (IT) sort of called this one with its "iceberg" graphic...

If you store greater than 5 GB on the free account (formerly 15 GB)...

... you will be given some notifications at the 90 day mark... and then a 9 month grace window to shuffle their data offline or to pay for a much pricier bin.  From there things get more ominous.  Microsoft writes in a FAQ:

If after 9 months and you are still over quota, your account will be locked. That means that you will not be able to access the content in your OneDrive until you take action.

The only big big silver lining here is for free users with filled up accounts.  Microsoft will offer you a free 1 year subscription to Office 365 (w/ 1 TB of storage) if you have >5 GB on your OneDrive.  But if you don't it's probably too later as for now.

For that meet the cutoff the prize is worth roughly $84 USD ($7x12 months)... but you'll still have to pay up or offload your data at the end of that 1-2 year grace period.

Office 365 cloud
 

$7 will buy you...

...Office 365 w/ 1 TB of storage.  Microsoft was formally planning to push out "unlimited" storage to everyone at this tier ... or so it says.  But almost as soon as the unlimited giveaway began activating for the first few users it's been scrapped.  Microsoft offers up the following excuse du jour:

Since we started to roll out unlimited cloud storage to Office 365 consumer subscribers, a small number of users backed up numerous PCs and stored entire movie collections and DVR recordings. In some instances, this exceeded 75 TB per user or 14,000 times the average. Instead of focusing on extreme backup scenarios, we want to remain focused on delivering high-value productivity and collaboration experiences that benefit the majority of OneDrive users.

So basically Microsoft says you don't deserve free storage because someone out there was treating its cloud like a personal playground.  It's believable, but it's also pretty lousy for Microsoft to react this way.  Why not simply throttle "free" like T-Mobile U.S., Inc. (TMUS).  That'd be better than killing it altogether, right?  Microsoft apparently doesn't think so.

One Drive
Well... okay things.

If you have > 1 TB....

... you have 12 months to get your data cache off OneDrive.  While Microsoft is giving "pro-rated refunds" to Office 365 customers irked at no longer having access to free storage, it's thus far refusing to back down from its ultimatum of killing unlimited.  For users that want to store more than 1 TB there's no clear future on Microsoft's OneDrive looking ahead.

If you have a Windows Phone...

... you no longer will receive the 15 GB "Camera Roll" bonus.  Honestly, this is perhaps the crumbiest change of them all.  After all Microsoft is still struggling to stay relevant in the phone market.  The least it could do is toss a bit of a bone to its phone users.

Well apparently not.

OneDrive Phone
[Image Source: Nokia Revolution]

Bing Storage Perks...

May be dying too, from what I've heard.  Officially Microsoft left their fate untold.  But it's not looking good.  Let's say you're not going to be getting much free storage from Microsoft anymore.  Dropbox perks reportedly will stick around though.

But Why?

That question brings to mind one X-(Wo)man Jubilee who on the awesomely classic 90s "the animated series" (TAS) some scumbag Genoshan:

Jubilee: (tearful) Why do you hate us?!

Said Genoshan gives Jubilee the eyes and tells her straigtht up, here's why...

Genoshan:  Because you were born.

But really, why?  Corporate suicide?  This is an alienating, bonehead decision.  I'm afraid by the time Microsoft realizes what it's done, it will be too late for it to save face.

OneDrive cracked

Microsoft unleashes legion of unhelpful mods...

"Mohammed Yaseer"... "Sudheendra S"...  these are just a couple of the crowd of Microsoft forum moderator-cum-support engineer that have been spam posting in response to comments criticizing the change.

¤ Do they speak English?  

They sure don't give any contextual acknowledgements to suggest they actually read ... or are capable of reading the comments they're responding to.

¤ Are they even human?

They seem to post spam/canned posts repeating Microsoft's blog on the cuts.  So I'm not so sure these are some manner of softbot. Users are suggesting as much.  In reply to one seemingly extraneous response one user asks:

Is this an automated response?

Another user Nathan piles on:

Is this reply for real?
On top of the storage reduction their staff appear clueless. I was loyal to Microsoft (except for phones), not now

Of course the (possible) bot does not reply.

¤ Are they for real?

Again... not sure.  They have no profiles to suggest they're a real person.

¤ But they're helping right?

Nope, not really!  They're just gratingly repeating Microsoft's blog, even after other commenters have already posted and wrote similar details.  It's unclear whether these posts are just woefully haphazard or are some deliberate attempt to drive the protester crowd slowly insane with anger.

Twitter Inc. (TWTR) "suggestions" on Microsoft's friendly changes...



User "thoughts" and "feedback" on Microsoft Answers...

"Reaperman4711" -- "Swindled users who wish to keep onedrive"

I was swindled into onedrive with the promise of unlimited storage, but now that I have the service I am evaluating keeping it.  What kind of refund do I get for that year, and why are these refunds "pro-rated"?  Pro-rated to when?  Is it pro-rated to the amount of my service that I have left?  Since you've lied to me for a year, and I purchased soon after the announcement, that would be unacceptable.
What is microsoft going to do to keep me on onedrive?
Would you consider rolling the remaining unused family accounts on my family plan into mine?
Would you consider a partial refund and allow me to keep subscribed to your 1tb family plan?

dbmcc (Insider member) -- "REALLY RIPPED ABOUT MS 365 AND ONE DRIVE DOWNGRADE"

MS has LIED about the amount of storage I got with One Drive and 365. Did MS actually think there would be no blowback... Convergence is key and if MS can't be competitive with storage I know other companies that are AND will fill my apps needs also. Your integrity is lost.

<foreign username> (Insider member) -- "About the most recent hot "storage capacity deduction"

Quick link: https://blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes/
My question is: I am a free user, who has 40GB in total, including free 15GB, 10GB loyalty storage, and 15GB camera roll bonus.
I have used over a half of total storage, while most of them are camera roll backup.
If this decision takes effect, does this mean I NEED to remove almost all my files stored in OneDrive?
If so, then I am really sorry but I plan to abandon OneDrive once and for all.
Regards.

"Alexandre Ionescu" (re:)

So, if i understand this correctly, there are no plans of reintroducing the camera roll storage bonus in the future. I now have 100GB bing bonus, but when this will end i will be left with 5GB even for my photos. Basically, i don't see why i should stick with Microsoft...
Give me a good reason why i should pay 700€ for the lumia 950XL? Basically at the end of every month i have to go and free these 5GB of space from the cloud just because of "a small number of users " to quote the blog post. I can understand you limiting the unlimited space, but why punish free users? I know i'm not the only one, but i have a lot of microsoft products, from surface to office and lumia, the integration between them was awesome and all thanks to onedrive. I want to know why i should keep these products. I honestly see no good and valid reason at this point... 

"Brian Tillman" (MVP-Outlook/Insider) -- "OneDrive storage plans are changing significantly"

All or us who have enjoyed the better-than-average size of our free OneDrive storage are in for an awakening. Please read this: https://blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes/. No more free 15GB camera roll, no more free 15GB normal storage (it will be reduced to 5GB). It appears that no one will be grandfathered in, either.
For those who subscribe to Office 365 Home, Personal, or University, the plans for providing unlimited OneDrive have been dropped. The max will be one TB.
The claim is that too many people abused the unlimited storage plans, so now we're all paying.

"TayoMoore" (re:)

I personally will not be renewing my subscription or my family and friends to whom I have recommended it.
Bad decision Microsoft, reverse it or you'll lose us all.

"yehuda lauer" -- "Onedrives shrinking storage."

Who can we as consumers send our complaints to (that will actually listen) about Onedrives remarkably anti consumer move of lowering the free storage from 30gb down to just 5gb?

"BobSim711" (re:)

I'm indescribably disappointed with MS for this decision.  It's seriously putting in question of me getting the Lumia 950XL as my next device as this is such a slap in the face.  Without question, if they go forward with reducing my storage to 5GB I will not be using OneDrive any more.  One Drive was one of the top reasons keeping me on the Windows Phone.  Currently using 16 GB of my 30 GB of free space, if forced to reduce to 5 GB, I will just go ahead and reduce it to 0 GB and stop carrying the MS flag as they will have finally killed off this MS loyalist.
I will likely get some Android device and utilize Amazon Cloud Drive with unlimited photo storage, since they don't support Windows Phone.  Brilliant move MS & One Drive team.
-Pissed Off (soon to be) Ex-Microsoft Loyalist

Well, I leave it at that. Or this... Boy... that Windows Phone gets me, especially.  And I don't even own a Windows Phone.  For Microsoft to cut a perk for this tiny userbase of loyalist is pretty much telling phone users Microsoft doesn't want your business.  Insulting customers for a lowly 15 GB?  That's just a punitive and despicable move.

Microsoft CEO
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella claimed to be Mr. Cloud. [Image Source: VentureBeat]

And looking at OneDrive, basically it's died of cuts.  Now Microsoft isn't the only one to do this kind of thing.  Amazon.com, Inc. (AMZN) eliminated a free 5 GB storage plan early this year.  Still I would content this is far more different and bizarre as OneDrive is far more crucial to Microsoft's supposed vision... heck, it's supposed to be a cornerstone of the platform.

Well, it's official the hammer has come out and the cornerstone has been shattered.  OneDrive has been rendered sort of the AOL of the storage world.  Customers have been threatened to "meet the quota" or have their files locked.  Well, Microsoft, I'm guessing they won't be back.

Here's some alternatives:
  • Dropbox
    • unlimited storage for businesses ($15 USD/person)
    • 2 GB free plans with extra GB for courting users.
  • Amazon Cloud Storage
    • In spite of cuts Amazon might be better than OneDrive
    • Unlimited photo storage; 5 GB of video storage
      • Free to prime subscribers
      • Non-Prime users pay $1 USD/month
    • Unlimited storage, no type restrictions
      • $5 USD/month
  • Google Drive
    • Unlimited storage of photos < 16 megapixels
    • 15 GB free storage (incl. Gmail message space)
    • paid plans start at 100 GB for $1.99 USD/month
    • up to 30 TB for $300 USD/month
  • Apple iCloud
    • Free: 5 GB (+iPhone backup space)
    • 50 GB: $1 USD/month
    • 200 GB: $3 USD/month
    • 1 TB: $10 USD/month
  • Yahoo! Inc. (YHOO)
    • 1 TB of email storage (incl. attachments)
    • 1 TB of storage on photo site Flickr

Ironically enough Apple recently moved to make iCloud storage bins somewhat larger and more affordable. That's right ... Microsoft just beat Apple in sticking it to the consumer and charging a lot for a little.  Let that one percolate for a bit.



There you go.  In the words of Microsoft -- "yay cloud."

Sources: OneDrive [blog], [FAQ]





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Drug pushers do this, too
By Bill S. on 11/4/2015 7:16:59 AM , Rating: 3
Get people hooked, by giving them "free samples". Then, once they've got the need, make them start paying through the nose for it!




RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By GotThumbs on 11/4/2015 8:35:27 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
a small number of users backed up numerous PCs and stored entire movie collections and DVR recordings. In some instances, this exceeded 75 TB per user or 14,000 times the average.


And then there are the users that ABUSE the service and spoil it for everyone else.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Moishe on 11/4/2015 9:01:51 AM , Rating: 5
If MS says there is no limit and then someone uses the service as such, how can that be defined as "abuse?"

I understand that it's a lot of data, but it seems reasonable to use an unlimited service this way.

It's like Ford telling you that your car will go 100 MPH and then later when you do it, they tell you that you've "abused" the car because most people only go 65 MPH.

If the service will hold 75TB on one account and that fell within the terms of service at the time, it cannot be abuse.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By BRB29 on 11/9/2015 8:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand why MS did not see this coming when they started offering that option. Did they learn nothing from the unlimited data disasters from phone carriers?


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By retrospooty on 11/4/2015 9:03:17 AM , Rating: 2
That is MS's fault too. They should never have given "unlimited" storage. The thought of that is just ridiculous. The word "unlimited" means what it says and tehre is no way they can provide that... What did they think would happen? The could easily have said 1TB or whatever extremely high limit they decided on and it would have been fine.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By retrospooty on 11/4/2015 9:05:40 AM , Rating: 2
/edit - I meant to add, it is a bummer that the low end is dropping from 15 to 5gb, but I will still use it. It works really well and is super easy to deal with when logging in from various computers that you set up all over the place. Great product... Bad choices.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By theapparition on 11/5/15, Rating: -1
RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By WhatKaniSay on 11/5/2015 4:19:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Cheaper then iCloud for all tiers, etc."


iCloud prices - as of Sep2015:
50 GB = $0.99
200 GB = $2.99
1 TB = $9.99
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201238

MS OneDrive:
50GB = $1.99
100-200GB = none existence

In your quest to rattle off your anti-Apple rants, you forgot something called "facts checking" - a simple google.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By theapparition on 11/9/2015 12:37:47 PM , Rating: 2
Why the rhetoric?

Is a simple comparison between two companies suddenly "Anti-Apple" or "M$"

Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

On to the facts.
Yes, I screwed up some. I did Google, but didn't get the correct info.

But to correct some things, it's still not worse than Apple's offering at the free tier (used to be 3x better). MS does charge twice for the 50GB tier. No 200GB tier anymore, but I noticed you conveniently left off the MS 1TB tier. $7 gets you 1TB and Office 365. That's a significantly better deal then anything that Apple offers.

Let me state again. Just because someone offers something better than Apple, doesn't make the statement anti-Apple. It just makes it a statement.

My only real comment was that MS's data tiers weren't too far out of line from competition. the article implies that MS is gouging consumers for subpar service, and that is not the case.

Personally, I think it sucks. But it is what it is.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Fanon on 11/6/2015 10:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
On the whole, the changes don't technically affect me. I have an Office365 subscription, and I've always had 1TB of storage. But it's a trust issue for me.

- I have recommended OneDrive to friends, family, and clients, and these changes definitely affect them. I've lost some trust with these people.

- I have been a loyal Windows Phone user for five years. Dropping the Camera Roll bonus storage kills the best part of Windows Phone. They've basically told their most loyal customers to leave.

I'm still going to pay for Office365. I use Office, and OneDrive is still a good option for paying customers. But I'm leaving Windows Phone. Microsoft clearly doesn't have a clue in regards to the mobile phone market.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By inperfectdarkness on 11/5/2015 10:53:45 AM , Rating: 1
I agree. I'm just hoping that MS isn't wanting to start capping other areas as well (eg. Hotmail) or things will really get dicey.

That said, let's look at the practical math here. 75TB of data, can fit on ~40, 2TB drives. At the $100 per drive cost, you're looking at a cost of around $4,000. Somewhat pricey for a home user. Now a Blu-ray disc is about 50GB, so you're talking approximately 40 Blu-ray movies (or ~400+ for DVD); per 2TB drive--or a total of 1600 Blu-ray (16,000 DVD) movies.

Pardon my incredulity here, but at even $10 for DVD or $20 for Blu-ray (and those are sat-on-the-shelf-for-many-moons pricing)--you're talking about $32,000 of Blu-ray movies or $160,000 of DVD movies. Suddenly $4,000 for a server array doesn't seem that bad. And I won't even mention the ridiculous premise that all of said 75TB of data was entirely legitimate, and paid for via legal means.

Long story short, I have no sympathy for Mr/Ms 75TB of data. Either you should still have all those discs (because: copyright laws), or said glut of data was never legally obtained in the first place. No self-respecting corporation/university/organization would be storing 75TB of its data on a free service anyways.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By jackson22 on 11/5/2015 1:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
You are probably right but legal or not who thinks they can use 75TB of disc space and think they have a right to complain when Microsoft reacts to it? I have no sympathy for them either. Microsoft though has now screwed up twice. First they did not account for human nature in the first place and second they are acting in a non-competitive manner with the new pricing while hosing many of their customers who do not use anywhere close to 75TB.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Totally on 11/5/2015 8:06:25 PM , Rating: 2
I know they can simply follow the hundreds of examples of service providers who have been hit by the 'unlimited' bandwagon e.g. internet, cell carrier, all-u-can-eat buffets.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Gondor on 11/5/2015 1:56:24 AM , Rating: 2
So limit the capacity at the high end, not at the bottom where most users are.


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Bill S. on 11/5/2015 7:13:49 AM , Rating: 2
Funny...people pitched a fit, when the cell phone companies did that with their data plans, didn't they??


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By kamk44 on 11/5/2015 9:27:52 AM , Rating: 2
If Microsoft was just capping their unlimited storage and/or clarifying the ToS that you can't use it to load up PC's worth of data then it would piss of a minority and the majority would not care or feel sorry for them. This is simply pissing off everybody, especially the Windows phone customers which is a bit surprising for MSFT to do.


By lexluthermiester on 11/7/2015 8:43:01 PM , Rating: 2
Cloud Storage? I still don't see a need for it with such inexpensive mass storage[USB, SD, Etc.] available in such great abundance. The only real use is business related or for phone users whose storage can't be expanded with sd cards. Beyond that, cloud storage is just not very useful. So who cares about Crapdr...err Onedrive at all?


RE: Drug pushers do this, too
By Uncle on 11/9/2015 2:19:45 PM , Rating: 2
I was instilled early in life nothing is free. Someone has to pay for Free, bottom line. Businesses do not survive giving their products away for free. Why is that so hard to understand by the young. When you sign up their is a disclaimer that says this product can be changed or cancelled at any time by the discretion of the owner. Does that read as being Free forever. I guess there are people who still believe in the tooth fairy.


And this is why I have a NAS...
By CaedenV on 11/4/2015 6:01:03 AM , Rating: 3
A little over a year ago when online storage was really beginning to get popular I built a NAS with 3TB of storage. My nerdy friends all thought I was crazy, but my thought was that if I was truly going to go 'all digitial' then my storage needs would out-strip a cheap online storage solution. When that 3TB filled up quickly, I expanded to 9TB. Over the last year that 9TB has gotten uncomfortably full, so for my 'christmas present' this year I am going to expand to ~15-20TB which will hopefully last me a few years.
I still use cloud storage to back up little things like documents, pictures, and music... but a decent movie and TV collection is just too big to upload, and online storage (while cheap) is unpredictable in size and constraints. Having a NAS in the house is certainly more expensive than online storage... but in my case the justification is to replace cable TV, and purchasing my own content and maintaining my own server is substantially cheaper than that.




By GotThumbs on 11/4/2015 8:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
+1

btw. I'm using Subsonic (early license) to stream music and videos from my NAS through my phone, tablet, PC, Chromebook.

~Best wishes on your upcoming build.


RE: And this is why I have a NAS...
By Moishe on 11/4/2015 8:58:37 AM , Rating: 2
I've been researching NAS devices for awhile, but to be honest I feel like there are no good NAS round ups that can definitively tell me one way or another which model is best for me.

I.e. the cost is high, so if I am going to use one I need to feel like I've got something that is solid and worth the money.


RE: And this is why I have a NAS...
By ipay on 11/5/2015 11:55:52 AM , Rating: 2
My solution was to build a HTPC with an array of pooled drives. That way I have a multi-use machine for my money.


RE: And this is why I have a NAS...
By Moishe on 11/6/2015 9:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
I guess that's not a bad way to do it, but if you don't need an htpc then you're probably spending more money.

In my case I have layered backups on multiple drives, but what I really need is something small and cool that I can stick on the network in a firebox or somewhere safe.


By PitViper007 on 11/6/2015 10:30:59 AM , Rating: 2
That's similar to what I did as well, using a software OS package called FreeNAS. Works great for me.


RE: And this is why I have a NAS...
By Fanon on 11/6/2015 10:57:16 AM , Rating: 2
I spent about a year toiling over what unit to buy. I got tired of waiting, so I ended up purchasing a Synology DS414. I couldn't be happier. It's fast, quiet, and does what I need.

FreeNAS is definitely an option, but I wanted something that required little effort on my part. I would've gone the FreeNAS route fifteen years ago, but I don't have the patience any more.


Camera Roll
By Samus on 11/4/2015 12:32:14 AM , Rating: 3
Ditching this is the nail in the coffin for the majority of users I know.

Anybody who used OneDrive on their iPhone to backup photo's now has no compelling reason to do so because a) the free storage now matches iCloud (which is integrated into iOS and hence a lighter-weight, app-less configuration) and b) IF you need more space, iCloud is actually cheaper if you need < 50GB.

The same scenario is true of Android. Google Drive is still 15GB.

Nickeling and diming the free users into $1.99/month plans is just ridiculous.

A sign of things to come from the new "services" era of Microsoft. I had liked the direction they were going in, but now we see how it's turning out.

Well reported article Jason.




RE: Camera Roll
By Moishe on 11/4/2015 8:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
I agree totally.
As a Windows Phone user for years I rely on OneDrive to backup and restore my images and other application data to the cloud and then to my PC.

I don't need much and I've never used the 25GB free SkyDrive plan that I was grandfathered into, but if this interferes with my phone I'll be pissed.

As far as the drama over the higher end paid plans, I feel that it's a little much. People b*tch and moan over everything, so I don't feel as if that is newsworthy stuff.

I.e. if you bought a service and the service provider decides to change pricing, that's tough. They're giving leeway and time, so unless someone paid for multiple years upfront, there should be no actual loss, just a perception of a loss.

But it's true that nobody wants to invest all in to a service just to have it yanked. The negative sentiment is pretty much a guaranteed.


RE: Camera Roll
By lexluthermiester on 11/7/2015 8:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well said!


Economics 101
By GotThumbs on 11/4/2015 8:23:01 AM , Rating: 1
What people seem to NOT comprehend is that if MS if giving away millions of potential revenue in free Win10 upgrades, they have to start generating revenues through other means.

Apple is able to provide "Free" OS upgrades, because they reap gobs of money from the sale of their hardware and the FACT that you HAVE TO HAVE Itunes account to so pretty much anything with your Apple device.

While I do not like the direction MS is moving, it is SOLELY due to the FACT (IMO) that Apple has BILLIONS in cash. If you see a competitor making gobs of cash and minions falling over themselves to give away their cash, then of course you look at how that business model is setup and try to emulate even portions of that model. Only recently has MS moved towards selling their own PC's and requiring an account via their MS "Store".

Google is able to do what they do, because they are pretty much fully funded through Ad revenue.

Even FaceBook's operations are funded through AD revenue. IMO, FB is the worlds largest marketing pool that it's targets willingly jump into.

Before you start calling MS "Greedy", don't ignore the FACT that all companies HAVE to operate as a profitable entity or no one would be interested in investing their money/retirement in that companies stocks. Anyone (including you) with a retirement account (private, city, state or federal) most likely has some of their retirement money invested in Apple, Microsoft, and Google. They just might not know it. That's how your savings grows faster than the return on a US Bond.

My point is, MS if obviously not making up for the lost revenues they are experiencing in offering millions of FREE OS Upgrades. MS historic business model was the sale if its OS. That was it, nothing else. Take away that main revenue source and you have to make it up elsewhere.

For myself, I have my own home built NAS and I'm holding off on the Win10 upgrade at this time.




RE: Economics 101
By GotThumbs on 11/4/2015 8:26:59 AM , Rating: 2
"MS historic business model was the sale if its OS. That was it, nothing else. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=37524..."

Of course I should have included MS Office.

I'm talking years ago, so X-box gaming was not a part of that focus.


RE: Economics 101
By tonyswash on 11/4/2015 2:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't the problem for Microsoft, and all companies historically dependent on selling software, even more profound, which is that the price of software has collapsed largely as the result of the rise of the super cheap, small app market on mobile devices. Selling software for hundreds or even thousands of dollars is increasingly difficult so all companies whose main source of revenue is selling software are being forced to re-engineer their business model.

Microsoft seem, in the post Ballmer era, to be making a reasonably good job of changing their business model but long term it will probably squeeze their margins compared to the heady days when Windows dominated computing, and will probably limit their revenue size. Nevertheless Microsoft is a big company making big profits although its transition to a new product/revenue paradigm is not yet complete.


RE: Economics 101
By Alexstarfire on 11/13/2015 10:15:49 AM , Rating: 2
Depends on the software. I work at a medical software development company and "thousands" would be cheap, like dirt-cheap.

In the consumer environment though, absolutely.


Prices are competitive, features aren't
By CSMR on 11/4/2015 9:20:53 AM , Rating: 2
These prices are still very good. The main competitor, Dropbox, has only 1GB free and more costs $100/year. Much more important than prices is functionality. OneDrive is not yet professional quality, and sharing folders is not as functional as Dropbox. Running as a Windows service is also not easy.




By jackson22 on 11/5/2015 1:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
Google seems to be a much better deal than what Microsoft is now offering although I don't know how well that functions versus OneDrive.


NAS
By p05esto on 11/4/2015 8:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
As others say, what's the point of cloud storage really for power users? We built NAS home servers and stream/store data locally. It's faster, safer, doesn't soak up your bandwidth, etc...and cheaper and unlimited storage and sooo much faster. Cloud storage is for suckers and those with no idea what my post is about.




RE: NAS
By GotThumbs on 11/5/2015 9:49:25 AM , Rating: 2
+1

I've had my own NAS for years. Use it to back my home systems and stream video or music to my android phone, tablet, Chromebook or PC via browser.

Even setup an FTP server on it. I'm running early version of Subsonic on it for App or browser based streaming.

I just back it up periodically on external drive and cycle through the 3 external drives periodically just in case an internal drive fails.


By alpha754293 on 11/5/2015 1:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
I was already against cloud storage for anything before this and with this, now I am against it even more (if that can even be possible).

My beef with it is security of ownership. If the DHS/CBP/FBI/NSA/CIA/etc. wants your data, would MS et. al. just hand it over to them?

If they get hacked and data gets stolen - who's responsible? And I am willing to bet that they ALL have binding arbitration clauses in their TOSes.

So...nope. This is a big fat nope nope nope nope nope.

Besides, hard drives are cheap now. You can buy 1 TB external hard drive that's wireless-enabled for less than two year/s worth of subscription at their current prices (if you still want to be able to get access to your data wherever/whenever you want/need to). (You can get more advanced ones for more with more capacity.)




By lexluthermiester on 11/7/2015 9:08:14 PM , Rating: 2
EXACTLY! Cloud storage in general is hampered by security and accountability problems. There is just no way to do it right. Physical, portable storage is still king and for good reason, it is securable[encryption], can not generally be searched without a warrant and your size limit depends on the drive you buy/use instead of the fee you pay. There's just no comparison. Cloud is not a great general use storage platform.


By Artful Dodger7 on 11/6/2015 10:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
Another way to suck every drop of blood...Out of anybody fool enough to use this service, Also goes for the Office 365 rip off...Linux is looking better and better every day...




sensationalize much?
By invidious on 11/4/2015 9:43:45 AM , Rating: 1
I don't use one drive but it certainly sucks that do that the service is being scaled back. That being said I don't know why you are talking about it like its some kind of scandal.

This whole post feels like a broad rant about all the reasons that you hate Microsoft. Anyone who would be affected by this subject matter already knows about it. Anyone who isn't affected by it either isn't going to care or is just going to use this information as troll fodder. My guts tells me you are catering to the later.

With all of the huge tech news that gets no coverage on this site it amazes me that minor nonsense like this gets a spotlight.




Microsoft, lol
By Argon18 on 11/4/15, Rating: -1
RE: Microsoft, lol
By themaster08 on 11/6/2015 2:12:08 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Who wants to go for another swirl around the Microsoft toilet bowl? Not me.
Then perhaps you should ask your buddies at Red Hat why they would want to, because clearly they missed your insightful opinions based on yesteryear...

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-teams-up-with...


RE: Microsoft, lol
By lexluthermiester on 11/7/2015 8:55:52 PM , Rating: 2
Read that article... Pass. Not a smart move for Red Hat in the long run.


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