quote: Actually I like the look a lot better than a Prius.
quote: That said I must admit that both the Ford Fusion Hybrid and the Smart Car (as far as green picks) both impressed me
quote: I was in the market for a luxury sedan, and couldn't afford a Tesla, it might be my pick.
quote: I agree, sadly. 40k should look beter than a prius. And especially when the concept images looked pretty hot.
quote: Do you have a source for those numbers, the 25/30/40 comparson? I'm not trying to pull a "gotcha" here, I'd genuinely like to read more about it.
quote: Are they still planning on selling this for $40k? Based on its looks alone, I'd estimate the selling cost at $18k-$22k. It is still a Chevy after all.
quote: Or buy a Honda Fit for $15k, it's almost as efficient, much cheaper initial cost, and much more fun to drive.
quote: But can it go /faster/ than 50? Seriously those things are about as fast as a go-kart. Where are the diesel hybrids? I'm looking for 50+ MPG that hauls ass.
quote: How many of these are they gonna sell?
quote: I'm not bashing the car or the concept, I just don't understand how they are banking the company on this car when there (imo) is no market.
quote: If its just to prove they can make a "green" car. Give me billions of dollars to so I can make a greener car.
quote: even if most end up as European cars.
quote: There's a waiting list for them here in the US.
quote: I agree on the first 10,000 or so... but after that there is a limit to the number of people that will pay 10,000 out of pocket
quote: I bet the demand in Europe is larger and will last into the 100,000s of Units.
quote: There won't be 100,000s of units sold. We're talking sports car numbers here. GM isn't intending this car to be a normal volume car.
quote: Demand for niche cars is more like a curve but more than 10k units will be sold in CA alone. There's a ton of people that want to be on the cutting edge of "green" auto tech.
quote: but within 10 years I think "Volts" in Gen 1,2, and 3 will be in the 500,000 + range sold.
quote: Its really tough. During these times, I am not sure of that figure. Look at the Tesla Roadster.
quote: I expect the Volt market would be BMW/Audi/Cadillac owners or potential owners looking for a "green" car.
quote: The badge of this car is irrelevant as GM got a LOT of conquest sales with the Solstice/Sky cars. It's not like the normal lineup so people will overlook that.
quote: I agree here but from what I read, the Volt won't be a normal volume car initially. Has that changed?
quote: Can't compare the two. We're talking a $100k plus niche sports car to a more practical "high" volume sedan.
quote: The production line will supposedly be capable (PR) of 60,000 a year. Current WAG of the known plans is more like 30,000 max. Year 1 will be 10,000 goal though.
quote: No offense, but the Solstice and Sky together sell less than 20,000 a year... like 15,000 right?
quote: That they are falling behind thier projections is an indication that maybe California is not ready to spend on bleeding edge car technology in this economic climate in comparison to 2-5 years ago.
quote: This car will be a technology leader in more than just drivetrain. One of the technologies that they are working on is for the car to be smart enough to store cheap energy that is available at night and then sell it back to the grid during the day at a higher price (good if you are on vacation and the car is sitting at home). Suffice to say Chevy is thinking this through and I for one hope they hit a homerun...
quote: This car is not going up against the Prius or Insight. This car will come standard with luxury options like heated seats, bluetooth, upgraded sound system, etc.
quote: So GM is going to be the first to the table with the all electric?
quote: Technically the Volt is an "extended-range electric vehicle," and even GM is not calling it a hybrid, hence the confusion.
quote: A hybrid is defined by SAE  as: “A vehicle with two or more energy storage systems both of which must provide propulsion power – either together or independently.”http://media.gm.com/volt/eflex/docs/paper.pdf
quote: The engine doesn't provide propulsion power; instead, it only charges the battery. Only the motor provides propulsion power.
quote: Obviously GM's view is that only the electric motor is directly providing propulsion power, and therefore, per the SAE definition, the Volt is not a hybrid.
quote: And possibly GM also wants to diffentiate the Volt from the Prius and Insight - and rightly so since it uses a different architecture.
quote: What? No. Give me a quote from a GM source that says that
quote: The 2011 Chevrolet Volt is a front-wheel-drive, four-passenger Extended-Range Electric Vehicle (E-REV) that uses electricity as its primary power source and gasoline as its secondary power source to propel the vehicle.An E-REV like the Chevrolet Volt represents a significant departure from conventional hybrids.... A new and distinct propulsion system category that would comprehend E-REVs has been proposed by the California Air Resources Board, which GM expects that the Chevrolet Volt will become the first to qualify.
quote: They rushed this out because Obama wants to see something innovative to he can let the American people know that it was a great idea to bail these jokers out.
quote: Yeah, they rolled out ev1 for mass consumption pretty quickly too, right? They showed a big commitment. How are sales right now?
quote: For 40k, in an all electric car, I'd like to see solar panels on the top so at least when my car is sitting in the parking lot for 9 hours while I'm at work it's recharging itself for free. Otherwise, it's not really any "greener" than a hybrid since I'd have to plug it in every night, which adds to my electric bill and my electricity company generates it's electricity from burning oil.
quote: 1 kw/day
quote: 1 kWh? I think thats pretty high.
quote: Flexible type solar panels often have poor efficieny ~10% if they are lucky. Usually around 1/2 the "rooftop" type.
quote: B. Angle to Sun will be poor. Angle will get worse the further north you go. Potentially parking facing south would help but...
quote: Area of Roof and Hood is typically very small. Sure the total area is like 5 m^2, but subtract windshield/glass, hinge lines, etc and I think it would be hard to locate more than 1 m^2 on either Hood or Roof...
quote: Solar Isolation...
quote: In comparison the same square meter on a roof top tilted correctly might harvest .75 kWh or more... Solar panel on cars are just a poor application of the technology.
quote: I'd like to see solar panels on the top so at least when my car is sitting in the parking lot for 9 hours while I'm at work it's recharging itself for free.
quote: It's already been shown in the numerous solar power threads that rooftop panels can't charge your battery enough to make any difference.
quote: Their actual numbers are probably all with windows closed, nothing turned on, tire pressure over the recommended psi.
quote: Last time I looked at VW, they were junk. Have they really gotten any better?
quote: Sadly, I don't think many people really care if their car will last past 5 years because many don't think of them as more than a fasion statement. I hope that the volt lasts for a *long* time, considering the relatively light load the engine will be under, and the solid state nature of most of the other components. That would make me want to pay 35K for one.
quote: IMHO, if you're going to pay 10K+ for something, it damned well better last a good, long time.
quote: Electric cars (either partial or full) are an incredibly stupid choice at this time, as the source for their power is burning fossil fuels that are many times more polluting (coal, primarily, but also nuclear in other countries) than gasoline or diesel ever will be. That and their batteries will be just one more hazardous thing to dispose of when they die from being recharged continuously.