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Pornographers band together under The PAK Group to take on smut pirates

Apparently fed up with the lack of progress and high expense of attacking individual file sharers, porn industry leader Jason Tucker announced that his anti-piracy organization, The PAK Group, is going to start litigating websites that offer stolen porn instead.

The PAK Group was founded in September 2007 by a coalition of producers angry with the spread of piracy online. It originally set out to attack individual file-sharers online, much like the RIAA.

Tucker’s new target refers largely to the deluge of “tube” websites that have sprung up in the past few years: styled after the ever-so-popular YouTube, there are now hundreds of these sites offering free streaming video complete with search engines, indexed content, tagging, and in some cases even a download option. Much of their content, however, is pirated.

“The use of stolen content had become so pervasive that I couldn't surf the adult Internet without running into stolen copies of our images,” said Tucker in an interview with industry periodical XBIZ. “Not only did this really put a damper on my late-night porn surfing, but it upset me to no end. Instead of enjoying adult entertainment, I started using those late-night hours to document thieves.”

The problem with tubes is synonymous with the copyright difficulties that YouTube occasionally finds itself in; except in the tubes’ case, there are no real challengers – until now. This, combined with the numerous porn-only BitTorrent trackers and the copious amounts of porn available on Usenet and other P2P networks, prompted Tucker and his group into action.

Tucker told XBIZ thatThe PAK Group now has software – written in-house by the group’s head lawyer, who once called himself a “better programmer than he is an attorney” – that “spiders websites, only grabbing the content we tell it to find.”

“Once it finds the content, it documents everything that a lawyer needs to prove that the thief was in fact using stolen content,” said Tucker.

The PAK Group is now close to filing its first lawsuit against “a major tube site,” and has plans to “follow that up with a lot more.”

“No one is immune,” he said. “The big problem I see right now is not outsiders doing this; rather, it is people who purport to be contributing members in our industry. As a result, we know who is doing this, we know where they are, we know where they process transactions, we know where they bank, we know where they host and we know where they live.

“This means when we come for you, we know how to get you. To the thieves that laugh about this, remember that we are coordinated. We are your affiliates, we are the guys you sit next to at industry dinners and the people that bump your posts on boards. Hiding is hard to do when we know what you look like, bro.”

The Group’s shift in strategy, from individual file-sharers to the sites they visit, stems largely due to the expense, frustration, and ultimate ineffectiveness in going after single users.

“I don't currently see the problem with the end users as much as I do companies creating locations where the exploitation of stolen works is encouraged,” said Tucker.

 “I'm sure the RIAA's nearly decade-long efforts was what ultimately convinced them,” posited ZeroPaid blogger soulxtc.

There is some value in tube websites, however: there are “viable business models” in social video-sharing websites, notes Tucker, but right now his organization is more interested in making sure that the porn industry adheres to a basic respect of intellectual property rights. “Self policing is a must. MySpace and YouTube cleaned up their act, so it can be done.”

MySpace and YouTube have a widely different draw, however – the focus with most tubes is professional content, as homemade videos that lends YouTube its greatness serving as a far smaller contributor. If the tubes lost their professional, pirated content, how much would be left?

Ultimately, like the death of OiNK or ShareReactor – the former of which spawned a pair of successful, still-running spin-offs – it could drive porn file-sharing community further underground.

Regardless, Tucker promised the world that his organization – backed by groups like the AVN Media Network – is indeed serious.



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who watches that ?
By mforce on 8/2/2008 12:07:43 PM , Rating: 4
Now who watches porn anyway. There's not a single porn on my hard drive ( nose grows bigger ). You people that watch such things should be ashamed of yourselves and stealing it, that's even worse :). Still even with less money maybe the porn stars will just do it for fun, right ? :)
Maybe Seagate's CEO knew what he was talking about when he said that bigger hard drives are for storing more porn.




RE: who watches that ?
By AntiV6 on 8/2/2008 12:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
Well, uh, what else are they for?

How many people can honestly justify those new 1.5 Terabyte drives coming out soon? haha


RE: who watches that ?
By Diosjenin on 8/2/2008 1:47:11 PM , Rating: 3
Anime freaks. The whole of One Piece alone (as much as possible in HD) takes up about 85GB. Admittedly that's a longer-running series than most, but multiply a 30GB series by, say, four dozen (not as out of the ordinary for an anime freak as you'd think), and suddenly you're at 1,440GB.


RE: who watches that ?
By AnnihilatorX on 8/2/2008 3:08:01 PM , Rating: 5
Yet, best of both: Anime porn freaks


RE: who watches that ?
By joex444 on 8/2/2008 3:20:50 PM , Rating: 2
Nice... a hentai joke.


RE: who watches that ?
By MamiyaOtaru on 8/2/2008 7:54:09 PM , Rating: 5
Who's joking?


RE: who watches that ?
By rykerabel on 8/4/2008 6:32:22 PM , Rating: 2
futanri?


RE: who watches that ?
By DASQ on 8/5/2008 2:47:30 PM , Rating: 2
Tentacles?


RE: who watches that ?
By plinkplonk on 8/3/2008 8:12:00 AM , Rating: 1
try deleting episodes after you've watched em maybe, then you definitely got more room for porn!


RE: who watches that ?
By JonnyDough on 8/4/08, Rating: 0
RE: who watches that ?
By FITCamaro on 8/4/2008 8:44:50 AM , Rating: 2
Whats wrong with making some home movies with the wife? ;)


RE: who watches that ?
By Smartless on 8/4/2008 2:52:14 PM , Rating: 4
Youtube.


RE: who watches that ?
By Spuke on 8/7/2008 5:18:01 PM , Rating: 3
Only by accident.


RE: who watches that ?
By DASQ on 8/5/2008 2:51:51 PM , Rating: 2
I've got two 750GB's almost filled to the brim with anime, ironically.

But I don't fill them with crap like Blegggcch, Nahootah, or that OnePie's that I see everywhere these days.


RE: who watches that ?
By Spuke on 8/7/2008 5:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
or that OnePie's that I see everywhere these days.
I've got a lot of HairPie too.


RE: who watches that ?
By Captain Orgazmo on 8/2/2008 4:03:53 PM , Rating: 2
Try downloading several seasons of several different TV shows in HD, and see how quick your hard drives fill. Not to mention the HD movies, and games with 15GB+ installs.


RE: who watches that ?
By idconstruct on 8/2/2008 7:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with the intention of your post (I have 2TB of space of which I have about 100gb left) ... I have never downloaded or installed a game with anywhere close to a 15gb install... PC games are rarely bigger than a dual layer dvd


RE: who watches that ?
By caqde on 8/3/2008 2:14:19 AM , Rating: 2
Supreme Commander is 15GB on my HD with it's expansion Forged Alliance. Although I don't know how this compares to those that play The Sims 2 and have all the expansions....


RE: who watches that ?
By FITCamaro on 8/4/2008 8:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
Age of Conan is over 20GB on my hard drive.


RE: who watches that ?
By AlmostExAMD on 8/3/2008 9:44:00 AM , Rating: 1
U be surprised who watches what even amongst the elite of society, Even these so called religous types can not deny a natural urge, If they cant get it in the flesh then they watch it instead!
I won't even mention what happens to those that deprave themselves, Ahem Catholic priests ahem ring a bell?

Nothing wrong with porn as long as it don't involve minors or animals and all film cast consent to the act, U might want to ask wives/girlfriends about their sex lives with their guys porn habit,I bet u find they r more than satisfied in the bedroom! :)
And yes 1tb hdd's are for porn,lol!


RE: who watches that ?
By FITCamaro on 8/4/2008 8:47:02 AM , Rating: 3
I've got no porn on my computer and I've got well over 1TB worth of video.

Who needs to download it and waste my hard drive space when its sitting on the web somewhere and I can stream it.


RE: who watches that ?
By PWNettle on 8/5/2008 5:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
There's nothing wrong with porn, especially for most of you who have zero chance of ever interacting sexually with another human. what else do you have? :P

However, it is wrong to steal, so, play nice and pay for your porn.


RE: who watches that ?
By ZootyGray on 8/7/2008 10:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
So for $5 x a million users mr.tuftalk makes 5 million and now he gets to threaten and invade privacy or is it just terrorist talk. Imagine binladin talking like this. And pigs controlling the internet.

Ever heard of 'porn creep' where your only hope of performance is the 4hr erection syndrome? What's wrong with this pix?

You think my girlfriend wants to support this guy and his lawyers?

And slobbering your superior lack of respect for yourself or others doesn't quite allow me freedom of choice for myself - but the real driving force is your insecurity about yourself. And your required denial will not allow you to realize any of what I say as being a healthy personal choice. So save your dying breath and watch more sadness.

Hey, been there done that. It didn't make me feel good. After a while, porn starts to watch you. Good luck, and I hope you can leave when you need to. If not, stroke it for someone else - like this loud assed ego maniacal bozo dolt.

Hey bozo - you got the money - buy a life. Better still, buy a record co and increase your popularity in the greaseball world. I have no use for you or your legal enforcement mentality - how sicker can you be is inside your own painful head - live with you all by your pathetic lonesome. nice world you got there. wanna demand respect for law with your sad biz problem.

spit.


RE: who watches that ?
By Clauzii on 8/3/2008 11:24:39 AM , Rating: 3
As someone said earlier this week here on DT: If one needs 1.5 TB of Porn, something is seriously wrong.


RE: who watches that ?
By CascadingDarkness on 8/7/2008 2:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
You my friend are missing out on the wonderful world of HD. No more graining videos.


RE: who watches that ?
By Spuke on 8/7/2008 5:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You my friend are missing out on the wonderful world of HD. No more graining videos.
You can even see the zits now!


By CascadingDarkness on 8/8/2008 3:51:51 PM , Rating: 2
If that's what your into, good for you...


RE: who watches that ?
By Clauzii on 8/6/2008 8:15:20 AM , Rating: 2
Probably not:

"We don't give a f... about planes, cars, or rappers....just money."


Trial by jury in court
By 1prophet on 8/2/2008 10:57:03 AM , Rating: 2
Probably be a waiting line for jury duty,

On the other hand,

Porn industry in court defending their rights will make them a lightning rod for antismut politicians.




RE: Trial by jury in court
By threepac3 on 8/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: Trial by jury in court
By BladeVenom on 8/2/2008 11:40:21 AM , Rating: 5
They are better than the RIAA/MPAA.


RE: Trial by jury in court
By 306maxi on 8/2/2008 1:05:14 PM , Rating: 5
At least porn can be entertaining. As opposed to a lot of the music and movies out there these days.......


RE: Trial by jury in court
By MPE on 8/2/2008 11:05:00 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah like there is something difficult about showing ass and tits to entertain male virgin teenagers. The industry is not entertaining per se - watching sex and hot women is. You give them credit where there is none due.


RE: Trial by jury in court
By mmntech on 8/2/2008 1:38:49 PM , Rating: 5
Well, they're both in the same line of work, and I'm not talking about making movies. The only thing that differs is who's getting screwed. Hopefully they won't get too anal about this. There's going to be a long and hard road ahead. No ifs, ands, or butts about it. I have a million of these.


RE: Trial by jury in court
By sprockkets on 8/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: Trial by jury in court
By Clauzii on 8/6/2008 7:50:34 AM , Rating: 2
I can't vote You up, so heres a *thumbs-up* instead :)


RE: Trial by jury in court
By teng029 on 8/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: Trial by jury in court
By Squidward on 8/3/2008 6:42:55 AM , Rating: 1
To quote "The Office"

That's what she said!


RE: Trial by jury in court
By Ringold on 8/2/2008 1:44:05 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Porn industry in court defending their rights will make them a lightning rod for antismut politicians.


They've taken away booze on Sundays.. They've taken away strip joints, except for near the airport.. They even make game developers water down their graphics, "for the children.." While I use none myself, adults can't even make the decision of what to smoke or not.

What more do they want?

These evangelical types better be careful not to take away too much bread and circus, or the lower classes may start to chafe. I've got guns and ammo, but not that much ammo. Hell, I might even cheer them on if they burn DC.


RE: Trial by jury in court
By deadrats on 8/2/2008 6:17:10 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Porn industry in court defending their rights will make them a lightning rod for antismut politicians.


you hit the nail right on the head. technically these guys are right, their content is being pirated on a humongous scale, hell there are sites that sell and try to copy-protect movies stolen from the studios who actually own the copyrights to them, and quite frankly the shear amount of pirated porn available is staggering (you can even find high def HDDVD and Blu-ray porn with just a little bit of searching).

the problem is that the porn industry operates in a rather weird "gray" legal area, one that has never been fully tested in the courts (you would be surprised how many people i meet that think porn is illegal or should be) and the federal government routinely goes after producers of movies that violate the federal decency act (i think there is a big name producer currently facing charges for 2 "fisting" scenes in a movie he made, since "fisting" scene are illegal in the U.S.)

if these guys start to sue it will put the entire industry under a spot light and when you consider that there currently is a massive movement, albeit not very successful, from the fundamentalist religious right to kill porn, i can't help whether more media spot light on the porn industry won't end up hurting them way more than porn pirates ever could.


Poor Poor Porn Man
By bendrx on 8/2/2008 9:47:27 AM , Rating: 5
“Not only did this really put a damper on my late-night porn surfing, but it upset me to no end. Instead of enjoying adult entertainment, I started using those late-night hours to document thieves.”
Never thought the leader of the porn industry would be up late nights punching his munchkin alone.Poor rich perv.




RE: Poor Poor Porn Man
By Trisagion on 8/2/2008 10:06:25 AM , Rating: 3
You misunderstood. When he says 'adult entertainment', he probably means a night out with 4-5 'actresses'.


RE: Poor Poor Porn Man
By ImSpartacus on 8/2/2008 10:38:13 AM , Rating: 5
And 4 of them were pirated...


Organised Crime
By Felofasofa on 8/2/2008 11:45:28 PM , Rating: 3
Nothing in this article refers to the enormous interest organised crime has in the porn industry. I'm not sure what the Russian Mafia thinks of PAK, they can make so much, so cheap I don't even think they need bother pirate it, or care if theirs is pirated. The industry is maintained by the noobs who pay for it, and there are millions of them, all not savvy enough to get it for free. Expert torrent jockeys have never, and will never pay for it, just like the other mob who usually pay for it, and will continue paying for it.

Bringing the heat down on the Porn Industry will not be looked upon favourably by the Mafia, just as the right will think that this extends legitimacy.




RE: Organised Crime
By porkpie on 8/3/2008 1:42:25 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
and there are millions of them, all not savvy enough to get it for free.
Or ethical enough to not steal?


RE: Organised Crime
By Felofasofa on 8/3/2008 4:30:20 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Or ethical enough to not steal?
I'm absolutely sure ethics is foremost in their minds as they punch their credit card details in to gain access to bisexual pissing orgies. These same type serial form fillers also get the majority of spam and malware, - deservedly ;)


RE: Organised Crime
By NT78stonewobble on 8/3/2008 10:57:42 AM , Rating: 2
L O L ...

Hmm, anything non ethical about a bisexual pissing orgy? What prudeness...


RE: Organised Crime
By maevinj on 8/4/2008 12:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
What?? pay for porn? Is that like an oxymoron or something? I had no idea downloading porn for free was wrong.


Didn't Learn...
By adiposity on 8/2/2008 2:07:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There are very few infringers who do not have a U.S. presence. We have strategies for reaching those who are outside of the U.S. This isn't just about lawsuits; this is about a message and an understanding. If you steal, we will come for you, and if you get contacted by us, it is in your best interest to settle, because we will not stop fighting. The more you fight, the harder we will gear up to fight you, and the longer we fight, the more it will cost you in the end.


They still haven't learned from the RIAA, because a better quote would have been:
quote:
The more you fight, the harder we will gear up to fight you, and the longer we fight, the more it will cost you (and us) in the end.


Once you drive someone out of business, you can't go any further and really profit from it. So the question is, what's this going to cost the porn companies?




RE: Didn't Learn...
By FaceMaster on 8/2/2008 6:34:38 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
harder we will gear up


hohoho


porn piracy
By mattclary on 8/2/2008 10:08:44 PM , Rating: 5
[PornPirate]Avast ye matey! Prepare to be boarded! Surely, ye shall walk me plank!!!![/PornPirate]




By cubby1223 on 8/2/2008 7:31:53 PM , Rating: 3
seriously, with all the ties the porn industry has with organized crime in some places, they wouldn't have to convict you in a proper court of law, if you catch my drift...

I tell ya what, though, the porn industry should be careful of what it wishes for. "Piracy" sites are often times the only real source of advertisement many legit subscription sites have.




Masturbator and Cumander
By MRsnufalufagus on 8/2/2008 7:35:05 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, they are gonna be so focused on pursuing the butt pirates that the software pirates may get away.




Ron & Jenna
By SaintSinner1 on 8/2/2008 8:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
Next Congressional Hearings with Ron Jeremy and Jenna Jameson.
( o)(o )




The Internet is for porn
By Belard on 8/3/2008 8:10:00 AM , Rating: 2
Without porn, the internet would not be the place it is.

Here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg

And for the Anime Porn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UyNhe4Msxo
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%...




It's too late baby..
By Jynx980 on 8/7/2008 4:33:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
..I couldn't surf the adult Internet..


Right.. Good thing we can all keep the adult internet and normal internet separated. Think of what could happen if they weren't!

This is an extreme uphill battle. The P2P networks are only part of the problem. Countless web sites, many in foreign countries where enforcement will be lax to non-existent, are virtually impossible to control. Send out a takedown request and they will change names, style, anything, and move to another ISP, and the process will repeat itself.

The industry has a right to pursue the people making thousands of dollars from pirated media. However, the window of opportunity for controlling this type of thing has long since passed. About the only thing they can do is form a group and say they are going to get aggressive.

On a side note, can you imagine how much more bandwidth would be available if half of the traffic for daily pornography was curbed? I might actually be able to reach my rated ISP speeds.




By rika13 on 8/8/2008 7:21:38 PM , Rating: 2
pirates get lots of blame for everything

how about blaming themselves for following most of the same mistakes non-adult movies make

first, overpricing DVD's ($100 million movie can warrant a $20 dvd, a $5k gonzo flick made in eastern europe or south america with no-name girls cant)

second, competition from camgirls, why get a recorded dvd when you can get a live show from your home and lots of camgirls tend to be hotter than porn stars (there are really hot porn stars and ugly camgirls) or in some cases ARE/WERE porn stars (sometimes even using their porn star names)

third, the economy; thanks to the press telling everyone to prepare for a recession (which guaranteed one, so black osama can give his "change") people arent spending as much on non-essentials, like porn

fourth, lack of substance; the big gonzo movement (in other words, the elimination of non-sex content, look at 90's porn compared to now) wasnt just about getting straight to action, it radically shaves costs, and that cheapmess shows in a lot of movies

fifth, the lack of big name stars; while many porn stars have fans and such, there just isnt the same recognition for Angel Dark (one of the biggest Slovakian stars, rather nice lady too) as Brad Pitt or even Mark Hamil (sure people laugh at the farmboy turned Jedi from Tatooine nowdays, but they know him, and will actually notice his name on a movie box)




What's left?
By SunAngel on 8/2/08, Rating: -1
"And boy have we patented it!" -- Steve Jobs, Macworld 2007

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