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Chicago Mayor calls the suit silly

One police officer in Chicago says that the city owes him a lot of overtime compensation for the time he spent using his BlackBerry for work when he was off duty. The officer who filed the suit, Sgt. Jeffrey Allen, is not only seeking overtime pay for himself, but for all officers who used their BlackBerry devices while off duty.

Allen's attorney, Paul Geiger, said, "What we are saying is he's using this mobile device at the behest of the Police Department very routinely and very often off duty and not being compensated for all the time spent on the device doing the city's work."

NPR reports that the city of Chicago gave Allen a BlackBerry when he worked in a unit that determined what assets of a criminal the police department could go after. According to Susan Prince, an attorney for Business and Legal Resources, the case will be decided based on the Fair Labor Standards Act.

Prince says, "Basically, it comes down to whether an employee is exempt or non-exempt. Exempt employees, they make the same salaries no matter how many hours they work during a week, so using a BlackBerry from home at night is not an overtime issue for them. But when you're dealing with non-exempt employees, they have to be paid for all the time they work."

NPR reports that even an extra 10 to 15 minutes of BlackBerry use per day for work means that a worker could be entitled to a significant amount of money in overtime. If an employer knew that the overtime was being worked by the employee, the employee could be entitled to three years of back pay from the time the suit is filed.

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said, "This is unbelievable. We're public servants. If I asked for that, I'd be paid millions of dollars. We'd have to take all the BlackBerrys away from public servants." Daley also called the suit "silliness in time of economic crisis."



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I don't think this is ridiculous at all
By trajan on 8/16/2010 10:28:51 AM , Rating: 5
Like the article states, this comes down to whether the employee was exempt or non-exempt, and it sounds to me as if he's non-exempt.

I've worked in corporate law and you're not only expected to carry your blackberry at all times, but you damn well had better be checking it and replying promptly regardless of the hour. It's one of the crappiest parts of the job, but thats one of the reasons we were paid so well.

If I were a non-exempt, hourly-wage cop, and my employer expected me to carry a blackberry and respond after hours, you can bet that I'd expect them to pay me overtime when I use it. If someone's knowledge or experience is so valuable you need to have it on call after normal working hours, be prepared to pay for it. I don't see why being a police officer should make a difference.




RE: I don't think this is ridiculous at all
By Inkjammer on 8/16/2010 11:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
This actually happened to a friend of mine. He was an hourly worker, worked as their programmer and SysAd. He had to be "on call", and the company refused to pay him for the extra hours each week extra he'd spend answering e-mails and fielding calls.

Turns out, state law said "Nope, this is overtime - if you're hourly, but on call, you must be reimbursed for any time you spend working." He got a nice little reimbursement package when he brought it up later.


By Souka on 8/16/2010 12:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
Wow... Jeffrey is a cute officer! :)


By cerx on 8/16/2010 4:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
The difference is if he were required to use it (and/or respond quickly). Choosing to use it after hours is different than being forced to.


By jnolen on 8/16/2010 6:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
I worked for a labor/employment law firm that had an attorney who specialized in FLSA cases while I served as the Intake coordinator, speaking to everyone and their mother who thought they had a case. In 6 months I spoke with 1200 people. I quit to get a more career minded job: sales in office supplies.

But I digress. Our FLSA attorney basically told me that if you were a city/county/federal employee who was expected to work these extra hours there was nothing we could do. I had to turn a bunch of cops away, a bunch of paramedics, EMTs, court clerks, etc., because how how FLSA works when it comes to government employees. Even EMTs and paramedics who were required to attend conferences had to be turned back because of FLSA. In other words, I don't think this guy has a shot unless there are some different rules in IL/Chicago.

We only took one case, a sheriff's deputy in Arkansas, but were having to argue it outside of FLSA. I've forgotten exactly what our strategy was going to be, but we had gotten the case outside of FLSA somehow.


Pay him for his time
By jeff834 on 8/16/2010 2:45:02 PM , Rating: 5
I used to work for a cell phone company, at which everyone had a blackberry (now everyone has an android). After there was confusion about receiving work email on our devices we were told no one who is not salaried is allowed to set up and receive work email on their phone. Basically even reading a work email constitutes work in the eyes of the law, and so for hourly employees that time needs to be paid. If this police officer is an hourly employee and was told he needed to check email, etc on his phone even off-duty, both of which are very possible, he needs to be compensated for that time.

Frankly the mayor sounds like an idiot to me. If he was an hourly employee he would be compensated for every minute he spent working, but elected officials are never hourly so making statements like that is just retarded.




RE: Pay him for his time
By Schrag4 on 8/16/2010 5:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Frankly the mayor sounds like an idiot to me.


Your assessment of the mayor is dead on. He has made a fool of himself over plenty of issues over the years. It's a wonder, in my opinion, that he manages to get elected.


it is a federal offense!
By the goat on 8/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: it is a federal offense!
By Drag0nFire on 8/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: it is a federal offense!
By bhieb on 8/16/2010 1:03:15 PM , Rating: 2
But that is not how the law is written if I remember correctly. Regardless of whether you get permission/approval or not does not have anything to do with if they have to pay you.

Lets say you come in on a Saturday and work 10 overtime hours without anyone telling you to do so. They still HAVE to pay you regardless. They would then be well within their rights to terminate you, but you did work and are owed time even without "approval".

The approval side is an operation decision, the Fair Labor Act could care less if it is OK for you to work, if you work you must be paid.


RE: it is a federal offense!
By neihrick1 on 8/16/2010 2:09:03 PM , Rating: 4
yup, my boss always tells me stop working after so many hours even if i want to get more stuff done because he could get in trouble


love his take swings from one thing to the next
By ssjwes1980 on 8/16/2010 1:21:18 PM , Rating: 2
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said, "This is unbelievable . We're public servants . If I asked for that, I'd be paid millions of dollars. We'd have to take all the BlackBerrys away from public servants."

But yet when you talk about teachers pay somehow this doesnt applie to them the whole "do good for all" your a "public servant serve the community" hes telling the cops he doesnt say to the teachers unions o wait nvm I see the problem carry along. (btw the police unions are not like the teachers union)




By FITCamaro on 8/16/2010 1:35:25 PM , Rating: 2
Guess the cops union didn't get him elected. This is why they need to get rid of unions.


Good laugh
By ZachDontScare on 8/16/2010 2:42:53 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley said, "This is unbelievable. We're public servants. If I asked for that, I'd be paid millions of dollars.


Given the history of Chicago politics, whats the chances he's not making 'overtime'?




Pretty simple
By DigitalFreak on 8/16/2010 10:27:23 AM , Rating: 2
This should be a pretty simple case. If he is non-exempt and required to check his e-mail or take calls after he's worked his 40 hours/week, then he gets overtime for it. If he's exempt, then he doesn't.




Time is valuable
By brshoemak on 8/16/2010 12:02:56 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts are if they determine it to be non-exempt then that is fine. Just turn the Blackberry off the moment you leave work.

If others say that they are public servants and they should be able to be reached at any time that's fine, just pay them for it. Time should be compensated for, as the time they work off-hours is time taken away from family and friends.




By undermined on 8/17/2010 12:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
This guy has one of the strongest unions I could think of in the city of chicago and could have just refused to do the extra "work" while off-duty up front.

He is a cop working with cops so it wasn't like it was some city alderman forcing him to do the "work".

Cops already work their asses off here in the city and this ass chooses to take issue with getting the job done but instead of refusing to "work" off-duty he waited until later and now wants to sue the city that aleady cannot afford the police it has (chicago is short about 1000 officers currently so most departments are already stretched pretty thin) over doing some email and a few phone calls?

I say "suck it up buttercup". Being a cop in chicago is a damn hard job, you get to see the worst actions of the human race on a daily basis, work long hours and put your life on the line for people that might want you dead because it is the right thing to do.

This is not a job for people that complain, you get paid to protect and serve the people, if you don't think this blackberry "work" should be considered part of what you already get paid, then you shouldn't have done the work and taken it up with your union not sued the city.

Also how about use pictures of a Chicago officer not one from what looks like London holding a blackberry or one from what looks like NY




I could swear that....
By Shatbot on 8/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: I could swear that....
By MindParadox on 8/16/2010 10:23:37 AM , Rating: 2
yeah, cause there are some companies(and government agencies) who expect you to be available for a call at any time on the phone they provide for you, so the off button would really work in that case.

"oh, well, so i got fired cause i didnt answer the phone? at least you dont owe me overtime!"

Apostrophes Cause Catastrophes!


RE: I could swear that....
By MindParadox on 8/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: I could swear that....
By Schrag4 on 8/16/2010 10:30:47 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, really. While I'm not a LEO, I always figured that off-duty means that unless there's an emergency, you shouldn't expect work-related communication. Just put down the crackberry!

That being said, if you're salaried, it might be considered part of your job to work after normal hours (that's true of any job). If you don't like it, you can try to negotiate to change the situation somehow (less work after hours or more compensation). If that doesn't work, you can always find a job elsewhere. The salaried cops who are suing shouldn't have agreed to use their phones for work after hours in the first place. (In essense, they unknowingly negociated to work after hours for no extra pay when they agreed to lug those things around and respond to them after hours.) Oh, and the ones paid hourly probably deserve to be paid for their time.

Just my 0.02


RE: I could swear that....
By Sazabi19 on 8/16/2010 10:51:29 AM , Rating: 2
It's not really like that though. Usually it's something more like "here, take this, its a phone that we can reach you any time on and it has work email." that's about it. Your supervisor gave it to you because he was told to. you take it as part of the chain of command. If you don't like it, then see you later find another job. I worked for Law Enforcement for 3 yrs as a computer tech (yes they had their own dedicated tech) and i can tell you how f***ed up it really is. Apparently since i was a tech (always on site at the jail) they figured i had no friends (again the tech thing) and the brass would say anything they liked about whoever they wanted. I knew most of these people sheesh, i worked by them every day. It's either do this or get another job seriously. It sucks, they put up with alot of stuff, on the street and from their own.


RE: I could swear that....
By Schrag4 on 8/16/2010 12:11:15 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I hear you. And I would believe that this happens A LOT. However, if it does happen to you, you shouldn't just assume you'll be paid overtime if you're hourly. Make sure you and your employer are on the same page. If the law says that they have to pay you for overtime (thought I read here that it does) then it might be worth mentioning to them that they should expect to pay overtime, or if they want to avoid that, they should expect you to show up a little late the next day if you end up working after hours. Sueing them after the fact isn't a great solution, as it obviously hurts your relationship with your employer. However, I understand that sometimes it's necessary.

Salary employees are in a tougher spot. We're not getting paid to work 40 hours/week. We're getting paid to get a job done.


RE: I could swear that....
By DougF on 8/16/2010 12:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The new Black Berry had an off button?
You'd think there wasn't, based on how many go off in movie theaters...inconsiderate bastards.


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