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A Renton, Washington native has been accused of felony cyberstalking for making a satirical cartoon depicting local crooked cops.  (Source: KIRO 7)

The video reportedly depicts a city bureaucrat, Penny Bartley, talking about covering up wrongdoing.  (Source: YouTube via KIRO 7)

The City of Renton's police department has been the subject of repeated internal affairs investigations.  (Source: KIRO 7)

The city's police chief has defended the search warrant, which many say violates the First Amendment protection of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.  (Source: KIRO 7)
Police department with long history of internal affairs investigations looks to charge satirist with felony

When cartoonist "Mrfuddlesticks" decided to make a series of animated videos parodying the local police department in Renton, Washington, they had ample source material from the media and the public record -- the city had suffered repeated misconduct scandals in recent history.  The individual used the popular animation site www.xtranormal.com to create a series of videos making fun of the city's police department.  Little did they know, those videos would have them facing criminal charges [Scribd] for "cyberstalking".

I. Satirist Accused of Felony Crime for Cartoons

In what legal experts are calling a rampant abuse of power, police have taken the first steps towards filing criminal charges against the creator, claiming their creator violated the Washington State cyberstalking statute "RCW 9.61.260."  A local judge at the Superior Court for King County -- James Cayce -- has signed off on a search warrant sent to Google Inc. (GOOG).

The warrant is designed to obtain the real world identity of the cartoonist, who posted the videos to YouTube.  The videos were created using the same free animation suite as the famous viral "iPhone4 vs HTC Evo" video.  Two of the videos can be viewed here [1][2].

Legal experts blasted the move.  In an interview with a local news network, lawyer Venkat Balasubramani, a Constitutional and cyber-law expert, states, "The cyberstalking angle doesn't pass the laugh test.  It's a serious stretch. I'd be surprised if somebody looked at it and realistically thought well these acts actually fit the statute and we and could make a violation and hold someone criminally liable. [More likely] they were trying to get at the identity of the speaker and the looked around for a statute to shoehorn their conduct into."

But while legal experts say the felony charges are laughable, they're no laughing matter for the accused.  The statute lists the type of cyberstalking named in the case as a Class C felony -- applicable for up to 5 years in prison and a $10,000 USD fine.  Drug dealing and major theft are other examples of local Class C felonies.

II. Crooked Cops Abusing the Constitution?

As mentioned, the Renton PD has been the subject of numerous internal affairs investigations, including, reportedly, one into illicit relations between a female cop and a police officer.  The woman at the center of one of these investigations -- Renton Police's former Public Information Officer and current jail administrator, Penny Bartley -- is parodied as the female bureaucrat in the film.

In the video, the cartoon cop asks her, "Is there any reason why an anonymous video, with no identifying information that ties it to the department or city is being taken more seriously than officers having sex on duty, arguing with outside agencies while in a drunken stupor off duty, sleeping while on duty, throwing someone off a bridge, and having inappropriate relationships with coworkers and committing adultery?"

Ms. Bartley's character responds, "The reason is that internal dirt is internal. The department will crucify certain people and take care of others."

Ironically, despite the accusations against the satirist, the Renton Police department is never named explicitly in the cartoons, nor is Ms. Bartley.  The police are basing their case solely on the fact that the cartoons resemble reports of misconduct by internal affairs and the media.  

Chief Prosecutor Shawn Arthur writes, "[The videos] discussed a past incident tha has already been investigated.. regarding a dating relationship (a female detective) had with a suspect."

If the city police can succeed in their quest to imprison the cartoonist, they've done something numerous past U.S. politicians and bureaucrats have been unable to do -- ban satire.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the guiding document of Washington and other U.S. states, reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In this case both the police department appears to be hoping to violate both the freedom of speech and freedom of press protections.

III. What's Next

The department remains defiant.  The prosecutor in the case refused to talk to local reporters, as did the police department.  Eventually Renton police Chief Kevin Milosevich spoke to reporters defending the investigation, stating, "Some of the videos are incidents of misconduct, some are unsubstantiated, some are rumors, some are previous internal investigations that were found to be unfounded and some are just flat out untrue and lies. I would rather err on the side of investigating all complaints (and) alleged criminal misconduct rather than risk failing to investigate a crime that's been reported."

Charges have not been filed, yet.  Some believe that the police merely are trying to use the guise of charges to obtain the suspect's name in order to harass him outside the courts.

The local American Civil Liberties Union has offered to defend the cartoonist if they stands trial.  An ACLU representative said, "[The charges are] ludicrous.  People do have the right to anonymous speech on the internet."

There's substantial legal risk to the department if they lose in court or fail to bring charges.  The defendant could file charges against the police department under various harassment and wrongful accusation laws.  Further, the police could find themselves the subject of yet another internal affairs investigation.

In the big picture, this is just one incident in a long string of digital age erosions of the public protections afforded by the first and fourth amendments.  Police have invaded peoples' properties [1][2] and snooped on their cell phones without warrant.  Most alarmingly, they have imprisoned people who have video-taped or photographed them on duty, something some say is an effort to cover up police brutality and other misconduct.

Ironically, many of the police departments who are pushing the hardest to seemingly violate the constitution and imprison hardworking Americans, also happen to be some of the departments with the highest rate of internal affairs (misconduct) reports.


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Growing Problem
By BSMonitor on 8/5/2011 9:45:27 AM , Rating: 5
Police more and more are starting to think of themselves as above the law. Above criticism. This stems from the non sense that filters out of 9/11 and wars in Iraq. "All police officers and all soldiers ARE heroes. They risk their lives every day for our safety. Etc. Etc."

This concept has led these younger Cops especially to take on an attitude that they can do no wrong, and that you the citizen must obey them. After all, they are ALL heroes.

What is lost is that, just like there are horrible accountants or lawyers or doctors, there are also horrible soldiers and police officers. Just because they put on the uniform does not make them honorable and heroic. Their behavior and their actions while wearing will define whether they served with honor. Not some BS television Ad or some Toby Keith country music song.




RE: Growing Problem
By ebakke on 8/5/2011 10:37:00 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
What is lost is that, just like there are horrible accountants or lawyers or doctors, there are also horrible soldiers and police officers.
Yes!! And terrible teachers! (And terrible people in any profession, which I realize was your point.)

What's really jarring to me in this situation is that even with example after example of gov't abusing the power it's been given, there's still a huge number of people willing to hand them even more power.


RE: Growing Problem
By SiliconJon on 8/5/2011 10:53:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah for "escalation of commitment" or the sunk cost fallacy! Obviously since more of the same didn't help I must just need even MORE of the more of the same - that'll fix it. Or: well, even if it's a bad idea it's already been decided/paidfor/implemented/etc, so there's no turning back now!

And off the topic, go unschoolers!


RE: Growing Problem
By Iaiken on 8/5/2011 10:59:03 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
What's really jarring to me in this situation is that even with example after example of gov't abusing the power it's been given, there's still a huge number of people willing to hand them even more power.


Well you need to clarify which level of government and realize that they are completely different, are responsible for different things and that their actions have practically nothing to do with the other levels of government. For example, this is a case of municipal police abusing a state law and getting a state judge to issue a search warrant to an out-of-state company.

If the user is also from out-of-state, Google can tell them to go fly a kite since the user is out of their Jurisdiction. The only way that they can get this information out of state is via a Federal warrant that they could never acquire thanks to the First Amendment.

If you're not from that municipality or state, then you really don't need to give a damn since it is up to the people of that state to keep their civil servants in order. If the people of Washington tolerate such corruptions, then they are getting the government that they deserve.

If you are from Washington, write your state senators and the state governor, inundate their mailboxes with mail that tells them what they need to do to get your vote. If these corruptions become top issue, they will act even if only to win those votes. If enough people are behind something, it will become part of someones political platform to win those peoples votes, but they won't know what to platform unless you the people tell them.


RE: Growing Problem
By ebakke on 8/6/2011 1:15:42 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Well you need to clarify which level of government and realize that they are completely different, are responsible for different things and that their actions have practically nothing to do with the other levels of government.
I don't think I do. My statement applies to all levels of government, or any area where a group of individuals are given power. On the whole people with power want to keep it and/or get more of it. That's certainly been my experience with the governments in the handful of states (which obviously means different municipalities as well) I've lived in.
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If you're not from that municipality or state, then you really don't need to give a damn since it is up to the people of that state to keep their civil servants in order. If the people of Washington tolerate such corruptions, then they are getting the government that they deserve.
Agreed. Completely.


RE: Growing Problem
By MrBlastman on 8/5/2011 11:08:48 AM , Rating: 5
All you have to do is look at the near billion dollars that was donated to a campaign the last presidential election...

People fall for hype. People vote with emotion. People listen to emotion over logic time and time again--hence why stupid songs and movies influence the public more than logic.

Of course, our schools don't teach the merits of logic anymore. Schools these days are too pre-occupied with standardized testing and getting the children ready with canned answers and responses only so the districts numbers can show a rising trend to either receive bonus money (take a look at Atlanta) or promotions. None of this teaches logic. It only teaches memorization and regurgitation. Useful? Only if you want to be a greeter at Walmart or work in Fast Food reciting your lines day in and out... or an Actor. Hmm... (Don't get me wrong, not all of those actors are dolts)

Instead of standardized testing which is useless and absurd, the schools should instead be focusing out teaching logic and deductive reasoning. We could start by making math classes be stocked full of word problems on tests (i.e. 80% of them) and all other courses requiring written essay answers to broad-reaching test questions (not specific but requiring application of multiple present and past concepts) it would be a start. Unfortunately, most parents and Americans would complain about this because it is "too darn hard!" Boo hoo.

That space between people's ears is going to waste. It is filling full of cobwebs and nobody cares. As a result, we gets jackholes in Congress and Executive offices because people believe everything they hear and he who speaks the loudest and gathers the greatest applause becomes the one who gets the vote--even if all they say is senseless, meaningless drivel.

We only have ourselves to blame...


RE: Growing Problem
By AdamTurney on 8/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: Growing Problem
By MrBlastman on 8/5/2011 2:58:41 PM , Rating: 5
My wife is an educator to start--I receive a great deal of input from her and her peers. I think I have a good idea as to what goes on the classroom.

I also have a degree myself... not in education but I have a degree. I also go out and vote. I believe in my country and respect those have died for my freedoms. In short, I'm a voice--like yourself that has an opinion.

I don't need to be an expert in education to voice an opinion.

Speaking of opinions, since you are so quick to state that I have to fulfill requirements to state my opinion--what exactly is your opinion on how to fix things? Ante up. I'm waiting. ;)


RE: Growing Problem
By cjohnson2136 on 8/5/2011 4:34:20 PM , Rating: 3
The school system is messed up. I know in my district there was a policy that if you don't turn an assignment in it is not counted as a 0 but counted as a 50, but if you actually scored a 40 on that assignment it stays a 40. So it was teaching students if you didn't know it don't try and just take the 50 and make up for on things you do know. It did not help teach students at all but was a way for the school system to boost it's GPA average.

What they should be teaching is work ethic alongside parents. When I was in school and I am still seeing more with my brothers and brother in law in school that a lot of students know they will pass and just don't care. The ones that don't pass literally try to to fail so they can be the cool older kid in the class. When I was in 10th grade I actually asked a guy that was 20 in my class why he was still in 10th grade. His answer was, "Once high school is done I have to work...I am putting that off as long as possible." We need to teach the benefits of hard work and not just simply passing. We need to teach the benefits of succeeding because you want to not because someone told you to do it.


RE: Growing Problem
By 91TTZ on 8/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: Growing Problem
By knutjb on 8/5/2011 10:24:19 PM , Rating: 3
If cheating in a classroom is widespread so should the firing of educators be as well. And yes, it is the teachers fault if they are allowing it.

No Child Left Behind is in now way wonderful but not requiring teachers to show the outcome of what they are paid for is an even greater travesty.

Any teacher fudging the numbers under the guise that they are "forced" to fudge numbers are just as guilty as whomever is pressing them to do so.

Spending on K-12 has more than doubled since 1970 (yes in inflation corrected dollars) yet students are none the better for it and the tax payers are worse off.

So you are wrong. The educational system is broken and bad choices by educators and their unions, NEA, et al. are just as guilty as the government bureaucracy they participated in creating.

Grow a spine.


RE: Growing Problem
By AwesomeDuck on 8/7/2011 9:24:43 AM , Rating: 2
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No Child Left Behind is in now way wonderful but not requiring teachers to show the outcome of what they are paid for is an even greater travesty.


This is absolutely true. A major issue is that frequently educators receive children that are far below the grade level they should be at. For example, in high school I volunteered as a tutor in an elementary school in my district, where I worked with first and second grade kids on reading and writing. They made huge improvements throughout the year, and at year's end they were all improved by at least one grade level in reading comprehension (it's an experience I recommend everyone do at least once in life by the way, it's extremely rewarding). But the district and the government don't see this improvement. They simple see that Student A is only reading at a first grade level and he's about to finish second grade. They don't see that he started the year off at a Pre-K level and made such an improvement.

Anyways, I digress.

quote:
Spending on K-12 has more than doubled since 1970 (yes in inflation corrected dollars) yet students are none the better for it and the tax payers are worse off.


The population has also increased by a large amount since then, over 100 million, and one can't teach a class of 35 on a budget meant for 20. Teaching techniques have to start to accommodate to the various learning styles. It's no longer monkey see, monkey do. At my high school there was an alternative education program, and once while I was speaking to the director of said program, he pointed out something I found to be a very valid point; he asked why would schools expect students succeed in the same classroom setting they had already failed once, twice, even three times in? It clearly doesn't work for everyone, and if we want to make successful individuals, we have to find something that works.

Interestingly enough, students in that program frequently faced adversity from many of the regular classroom teachers, school administrators, fellow students, etc. And the administrators would do nothing to prevent the bullying that took place to these alt ed students. So not only is an overhaul of the education system needed, an overhaul of attitudes on everyone's part is needed as well.


RE: Growing Problem
By knutjb on 8/7/2011 7:07:00 PM , Rating: 4
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The population has also increased by a large amount since then, over 100 million, and one can't teach a class of 35 on a budget meant for 20.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/09/education-spen... Click on the red underlined "more than doubled" and you will see the spending increase is PER PUPIL. The problem is whatever "new ideas" many schools are trying are simply not working. Look at the schools hierarchy, if it is not pyramid shaped the school is wasting money with too many chiefs and not enough indians. I think before ANYMORE money is spent on "new ideas" a manpower study must be accomplished to see if the aforementioned hierarchy is correct. FYI I heard a Wisconsin school district was laying off teachers but hired a "Social Justice" coordinator @ $120K. Contrary to the NEA the money IS there, just not the correct priorities.
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Interestingly enough, students in that program frequently faced adversity from many of the regular classroom teachers, school administrators, fellow students, etc. And the administrators would do nothing to prevent the bullying that took place to these alt ed students. So not only is an overhaul of the education system needed, an overhaul of attitudes on everyone's part is needed as well.
Back to what I said in my prior post, if the teachers are not held accountable the system is broken and that is what must be corrected first. Adversity is corrected when the hierarchy is functional.

BTW when all finishers are treated as equal, i.e. 18th place gets the same trophy as first you aggravate the problem, not fix it. By marginalizing any given accomplishment you lose what makes us unique. Not everyone is the fastest, smartest, and so on. Trying to make all OUTCOMES equal is a failure from the start. Some bullying is a lesson in life. That is life can be very hard and it doesn't always go your way. Learn to adapt. If children don't learn this early on they will later and it hurts much more by then. Bullying that goes beyond what needs to be experienced is likely a crime and should be treated as such.


RE: Growing Problem
By AwesomeDuck on 8/23/2011 12:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Trying to make all OUTCOMES equal is a failure from the start.


I want to be clear here. I don't advocate these kids being treated as second class citizens. It's inappropriate for educators and administrators to take part in this bullying. Obviously many of these kids won't go on to college right away, if at all. They won't be in NHS or valedictorians, but the major contention was always if they should be allowed to walk. Which they should, they did put in the work to graduate. Some students in the gen pop will graduate with lower GPAs than the alt ed kids, surprisingly enough, and they're allowed to walk. The point is providing a very minimum education, at least giving them the tangible option to improving themselves down the road, should they choose to do so. They're already experiencing the consequences by being isolated from the rest of the student body, being forced to complete work at an unusually high grade point, and not being allowed to have the normal high school experience (football games, dances, etc.). It seems cruel (to me at least) to take away walking at graduation simply because they had to go about their education in a different way.


RE: Growing Problem
By snakeInTheGrass on 8/5/2011 11:44:25 AM , Rating: 3
And let's not forget that they are using taxpayer money to try to take away the rights of... the taxpayers! You know, the ones that they protect and serve? Nice one - what heroes indeed.


RE: Growing Problem
By Samus on 8/5/11, Rating: -1
RE: Growing Problem
By 91TTZ on 8/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Growing Problem
By Samus on 8/5/2011 6:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
My high school in the 90's was majority black, with about 5% of the population being white. The white kids caused substantially more trouble than the black kids.

The point being, your experience and perspective is purely racist to associate an group of individuals you've seen/interacted with against an entire culture.

My experience and perspective is my own and involves my interactions with police of all color.

But I guess according to you all hispanics don't have papers and all asians are engineers or doctors, too.


RE: Growing Problem
By Jeffk464 on 8/5/2011 11:00:04 AM , Rating: 2
I would say get an ACLU lawyer and counter sue the police department for harassment. Its obvious that this case won't go anywhere and the police are just trying to intimidate the guy.

In other news look into the Fullerton PD police beating case, there is a PD that is about to go down in smoke.


RE: Growing Problem
By kattanna on 8/5/2011 11:55:05 AM , Rating: 2
LOL talk about proving the cartoons point with their response


RE: Growing Problem
By Sazabi19 on 8/5/2011 12:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
I have worked for, and currently work with, the local Sheriff's Department. I have to say that a (not-so) crooked dept. would never take offense like this. Sure the head honcho wouldn't like it but the other deputies would probably just laugh and speculate about who it was or just talk to the others about who it was (everything gets out and goes around). This chief is either crooked himself of is taking it waaaaay too personally, this guy should be more concentrated on taking out the trash in his department than covering it up. Every time our department had something go wrong they punished the person, they tried to keep it quiet but not secret. If the media got a hold of it the situation would be explained and it was over. What this dept. is trying to do is absurd and sounds like they are all too embarrassed about themselves. Every dept. goes through this, not all cops are bad and not all are dicks, but there are those out there that ruin the image for the rest. We know how most of our judges are, pompous pricks that don't understand the law and crucify the innocent and go lenient on the guilty (always seems to go that way) and this judge is no different. He is some idiot that is probably in with some of the dirty cops and wants this person hushed before anyone digs (although most of this was public knowledge). This is absolutely an abuse of power and I'm sure a lot of their offices think so as well. I've seen my fair share of badgeitis (when people get their badges sometimes they swell with power and go too far) and usually they get knocked down by more experienced cops and their supervisors when everything is done correctly. Don't let these few bad cops ruin your views of the others (no i am not a cop nor have i been), they have to see the worst of humanity and have to deal with a lot of stupid stuff you should hope you never have to and do literally put their lives on the line every day to try to keep the scum of society in check.


RE: Growing Problem
By Miqunator on 8/6/2011 2:34:07 AM , Rating: 2
This is unbelievable, just when you thought the country couldn't get any more messed up. What happened to freedom of speech and other such 'nonsense'?

Over here if an office as much as gets caught for speeding it makes the headlines, yes they can actually get caught.


RE: Growing Problem
By wordsworm on 8/9/2011 4:51:27 AM , Rating: 2
It's always been like this. I think what's really happening is you're waking up.


Teh joke
By nafhan on 8/5/2011 12:01:35 PM , Rating: 5
Q. What does an Islamic fundamentalist and the Renton PD have in common?
A. Their sense of humor!

Seriously, though, I wonder how much publicity is being drawn to these videos by this controversy? I'm guessing up until the point that legal action was taken these videos had a fairly small audience...




RE: Teh joke
By Sazabi19 on 8/5/2011 12:28:28 PM , Rating: 2
I would think so, I've personally never heard of the site, even if I did, doubt I would watch the vids. I still won't, doesn't matter that much to me. I just like how the dept outed themselves like this. What was just a local humiliation is going to turn into a national humiliation. GJ


RE: Teh joke
By tng on 8/5/2011 1:14:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
hat was just a local humiliation is going to turn into a national humiliation.
What would be worse is if they do find the cartoonist and he lives in Florida or somewhere and has no idea even where Renton Washington is.


RE: Teh joke
By josmala on 8/6/2011 2:05:33 AM , Rating: 3
They didn't turn their local humiliation to national humiliation, but an INTERNATIONAL humiliation.
-A guy from Finland.

(Finland is country in Scandinavia, northern Europe for those studied in American education system.)

It would be nice to see an officers face if some Europeans when visiting renton would have following discussion with some officer, as a part of conversation. Three dots are time in which there is pause for police officer to say something. And maybe answer their question, and X is the country where they came from.

"So we are from X, Europe.... We have heard of your police department while in home.... you seem to have problem with first amandment and dirty cops.".


RE: Teh joke
By LBID on 8/5/2011 2:44:58 PM , Rating: 4
You have insulted the Religion of Peace, and now you must paaaaay!!


RE: Teh joke
By MozeeToby on 8/5/2011 4:15:50 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, I think what you meant to say is:

You have insulted the upholders of the law of Renton WA, and now you must paaaaaaay!!


Good Article . . . please proof read
By Denigrate on 8/5/2011 9:40:30 AM , Rating: 1
Enjoyed the article, but the multitude of errors made it hard to read.




RE: Good Article . . . please proof read
By MrPickins on 8/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: Good Article . . . please proof read
By MrPickins on 8/5/2011 9:54:58 AM , Rating: 4
wore = worse

(Oh, the irony.)


RE: Good Article . . . please proof read
By th3pwn3r on 8/6/2011 1:16:30 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently typing isn't so easy. Jason might have had a few errors but you had one in a single sentence. It's not the irony, it's more like, oh the lulz :D


By MrPickins on 8/6/2011 12:10:00 PM , Rating: 3
The difference is that I'm not being paid for what I post.

Nor should I have someone proofreading my posts.

People rate down the "grammar nazis," but we/they are correct in that the sheer number of grammatical/spelling errors in almost every article on this site makes it unprofessional.

Seriously, are any articles read by an editor before posting? I'd wager not.


In typical fashion...
By OoklaTheMok on 8/5/2011 10:19:50 AM , Rating: 1
It is Renton, not Renton City.

Typical...




RE: In typical fashion...
By Chernobyl68 on 8/5/2011 12:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
and Illicit, not elicit.


RE: In typical fashion...
By ClownPuncher on 8/5/2011 12:25:26 PM , Rating: 2
The Rentod PD has always been a mess, as long as I can remember. Unfortunately for those police officers that ARE out there to protect and serve, there is no reason to trust the Renton PD at all. Their leadership needs to be replaced, their dept investigated fully, and they should be watched more closely than they are watching their "reputation".


RE: In typical fashion...
By mmatis on 8/5/2011 2:00:50 PM , Rating: 2
Let me assure you that it is FAR MORE than just the Renton PD that should be watched more closely. From what I have seen, the number of "Law Enforcement" officers in the US who ACTUALLY HONOR their oath of office is minuscule. As a result, they are not "Law Enforcement" at all, but are merely Thugs with Guns who make the Mafia Enforcers look honorable in comparison. The stench is overwhelming.


RE: In typical fashion...
By gorehound on 8/5/2011 3:43:45 PM , Rating: 2
I am hoping this guy who the police has obviously harassed for no good reason will be able to sue them so big no other police department will ever touch someone who does a short comical thing on cops.
might as well sue hollywood while you are at it for those police academy movies and all the other comedies that have bad or lame cops in them.

these cops have no case.it will be thrown out in the end.satire is not a bad crime at all it is art protected by 1st amendment rights.

bottom line:
these cops are not cops but PIGS !!! and in the end they will be sorry they ever opened this door.
i may try and make a free animation using this as the story.maybe we will see millions of Anti-Renton PD Animations come out in the next few weeks as this story perculates thru the net and paper based news.


F$%K to prosecution !!!
By Cr0nJ0b on 8/5/2011 11:15:53 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone here is going after the cops...and while i find their behavior terrible and abhorant...what about the prosecution and the judge? The fact that a prosecuter took this seriously, he should be fired. The fact that a Judge took this seriously, he should be disbarred. The cops can "ask" to have have this guy prosecuted...that's just dumb, but for the judicial system to take them seriously is criminal!




RE: F$%K to prosecution !!!
By fic2 on 8/5/2011 11:48:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A local judge at the Superior Court for King County -- James Cayce -- has signed off on a search warrant sent to Google Inc.


This is what I don't get - what idiot judge would sign a search warrant based on this?

I hope the video poster didn't use his real name and uploaded from Starbucks.


RE: F$%K to prosecution !!!
By AssBall on 8/5/2011 2:07:14 PM , Rating: 1
Judges must give warrants out like candy these days.


RE: F$%K to prosecution !!!
By MozeeToby on 8/5/2011 1:42:14 PM , Rating: 2
The prosecution isn't involved at this point. The police demanded the poster's identity from their ISP, their ISP declined saying they only release that information for criminal investigations and with a warrant. So, the police went out and manufactured an investigation, somehow sold it to a judge who was too lazy to actually review the case, and are now going to get the guy's name.

They know they can't win, they never intended to try. But once they get his name he will be fired (common speculation is the comics are near word for word recreations of actual conversations had in the office) and quite possibly find himself with lots and lots of minor run ins with the Renton Police in the future.


RE: F$%K to prosecution !!!
By Treknologist on 8/5/2011 6:44:55 PM , Rating: 2
I 1000% agree with you on this one. It is truly beyond words what is being allowed to happen. These people need to watch The American President and ingrain in their heads these words from the speech Michael Douglas delivers at the end of the movie in his characterization of an American President:
America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".

The cops who asked for this along with the prosecutor should be fired. The judge should indeed be disbarred.


Befuddling
By Josie H on 8/5/2011 8:07:49 PM , Rating: 3
" . . . investigations, including, reportedly, one into illicit relations between a female cop and a police officer."

What's the difference between a female cop and a police officer?




RE: Befuddling
By th3pwn3r on 8/6/2011 11:46:59 AM , Rating: 2
If one is male and the other a female in that context the truth is that female cops aren't taken as serious. Not to mention when things get physical female police have a much harder time.


N.W.A. **** the police
By smilingcrow on 8/5/2011 10:04:36 AM , Rating: 3
N.W.A. had it right at least partially.




RE: N.W.A. **** the police
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/5/2011 10:50:08 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
N.W.A. had it right at least partially.

http://tinypic.com/r/xqclko/7

:)


Misunderstanding of the Law
By Devilpapaya on 8/5/2011 12:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The statute lists the type of cyberstalking named in the case as a Class C felony -- applicable for up to 5 years in prison and a $10,000 USD fine.


This isn't true... If you read the law that you linked to, its only considered a fellony if either (a) the person has been convicted for harassing the same person before (b) the person threatened to kill someone. If this isn't the case, its a gross misdemeanor.

Not that the charges arn't completely trumped up anyway but you could at least get the facts straight...




By JasonMick (blog) on 8/5/2011 12:59:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This isn't true... If you read the law that you linked to, its only considered a fellony if either (a) the person has been convicted for harassing the same person before (b) the person threatened to kill someone. If this isn't the case, its a gross misdemeanor.

The local news is reporting that the police argued in court that the offense may be a felony.

I agree with you, though, I think they misunderstand the law badly and/or are abusing it.

The behavior clearly does seem to fall under the gross misdemeanor definition, let alone the felony definition, which I link to and you reposted here.


Contact Renton Officials
By Angstromm on 8/7/2011 8:52:59 AM , Rating: 3
Tell these folks what you think!

Email Renton police chief:
http://rentonwa.gov/staff_popup.aspx?id=4782

Email Renton mayor:
http://rentonwa.gov/staff_popup.aspx?id=3588&sub=A...

Email Renton city attorney:
http://rentonwa.gov/staff_popup.aspx?id=672




It wont stick
By rika13 on 8/5/2011 11:06:58 AM , Rating: 2
1c requires that a threat be made to injure person or property. 1b would NOT apply as the poster is not anonymous (his name is recorded by Google and is accessible via warrant). It can NOT be a felony charge unless either a threat to kill someone or a previous conviction for cyberstalking was made.




Recall this judge
By Occam's Razor on 8/5/2011 1:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
James Cayce is a Superior Court Judge. This is an elected position.
(http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Washington_Superio...
This person should be either recalled or defeated in the next election.




the sad part is
By senbassador on 8/5/2011 1:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
The sad part is if the state loses and gets forced to pay damages to the said individual, its the tax payers of the state that will pay, not the individual cops and the DA. I guess they're partly to blame for either electing the DA or the person(s) who appointed them. Same thing with that guy that sued video game makers.

Maybe there should be a law that if the state loses and gets successful sued for damages, the DA gets suspended without pay for two days for incompetence, and say, serve the suspension during the weekend when they'd be off or something.




The reality is...
By thisisaname on 8/5/2011 4:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think myself and kids my age were brainwashed as kids. We were taught to salute the flag and pledge allegience to it. We were told never to talk to strangers, but we were told we can trust policemen and firemen. Then G.I. Joe came around, and we were taught that those in uniform are in defense of our freedom, our country, and they are heroes.
Then we grew up and crawled out of our little bubble, and saw the world for what it really is.




Renton P.D. mockery
By wallijonn on 8/8/2011 10:44:40 AM , Rating: 2
"No one makes fun of the Spanish Inquisition!"
-Monty Python

Unfortunately it won't be the "puffy pillow" that will be thrown at the cartoonist.

It's an abuse of power. If politicians set the same standard - that if they are made fun of we'd go to jail - we'd all know it for what it is: fascism.




By overlandpark4me on 8/9/2011 9:55:11 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen some poor sentence structure and misspellings in the past, but this article is embarrassing. Who is in charge of this asylum?




Wish I was an artist
By rs2 on 8/7/2011 2:44:16 AM , Rating: 1
If I had the sufficient amount of artistic ability, I would put out cartoons mocking these police officers so much.

But since I don't, I'll just have to settle for calling them idiots. Idiot police department is full of idiots.




shame on us
By superPC on 8/5/11, Rating: 0
"If you mod me down, I will become more insightful than you can possibly imagine." -- Slashdot














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