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Chevrolet Volt  (Source: GM)

Nissan Volt  (Source: Nissan)
U.S. will be 26% of the market with China at 27% of the market

President Obama is putting a lot of emphasis during his term on moving America towards greener vehicles to reduce pollution and the need for foreign oil. Key vehicle technologies that will help enable us to make the move are hybrid and electric vehicles. Growth in both of those vehicle markets is set to boom over the next five years.

Pike Research has announced a new report that looks at the growth of the battery power electric (BEV) and plug-in electric hybrid vehicle (PEHV) market over the next five years from 2010 to 2015 and how that market will grow around the world. According to the research firm, over the next five years China will emerge as the top adopter of PEHV and BEVs with 3.2 million sold over that period for an annual compounded growth rate of 106 percent.

Coming in a close second for the same period according to Pike Research will be the United States. The research firm estimates that in the U.S. 841,000 of these vehicles will be sold accounting for 26 percent of the global market. China by comparison is expected to move 880,000 PEHVs and BEVs for 27 percent of the global market.

“PHEVs and BEVs will complement, rather than displace, the market for conventional hybrid electric vehicles,” says senior analyst Dave Hurst.  “Electric vehicles will follow the lead of hybrids and will be launched in the small car segment for consumer markets initially, with the small SUV segment close behind.  Because of their low weight and good aerodynamics, smaller vehicles are far more efficient to better extend the electrically powered driving range, and the smaller vehicle segments also allow the use of a smaller, less expensive battery.”

Vehicles that use battery power to extend fuel economy and reduce emission are close to becoming available in the U.S. and have made a big splash with green consumers. The Chevrolet Volt extended range electric vehicle was finally given a retail price in July of $41,000 before the $7,500 Federal Tax credit.

Nissan also has an electric vehicle coming to market called the Leaf. The entire first years production of the Leaf was sold out. Nissan promises that the Leaf is good for up to 100 miles with a full battery charge under optimal conditions.



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if PEV can't compete...
By superPC on 9/1/2010 11:25:17 AM , Rating: 2
without subsidies than it has no business going around in our road. let all vehicle compete on their own merit and see how good PEV compete with ICE.




RE: if PEV can't compete...
By topkill on 9/1/2010 12:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, that's a great idea. Now all we have to do is make the ICE cars pay back the TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS they've had in subsidies over the last 100 years and we can let them all compete on equal footing!

Oh, wait...that's not fair you say? ROFLMAO Don't you guys have any clue what it takes to maintain the oil flowing and the ICE infrastructure? Do you think the US has approved 1.03 TRILLION dollars in defense spending for 2010 to defend our borders???

Sorry, that money is being spent mostly to keep the oil flowing. Hey, if you guys like oil, good for you. But at least understand what it really costs to run that ICE. You guys want to talk subsidies? LOL

So do you really want them to compete on equal footing?


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By Spuke on 9/1/2010 2:27:16 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Now all we have to do is make the ICE cars pay back the TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS they've had in subsidies
Post a link to data that shows that ICE cars had "TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS" of subsidies. Thanks.


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/1/2010 2:56:43 PM , Rating: 2
Well he's claiming defense spending is a form of ICE subsidy (which is nuts), so there are the "trillions and trillions".

And as far as I can remember, there has never been a point in our history where you were given government tax rebates for buying a ICE car. Besides "Cash for Clunkers", of course.


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By topkill on 9/1/2010 3:59:32 PM , Rating: 1
No, I'm NOT counting military spending. The military would put it way over the top.

Why don't you educate yourself before you disparage other people's comments. It's not hard, just spend 30 seconds on Google and you can find any of this information yourself.

And since you don't think it should count, then explain why we are spending $1.03Trillion in direct and indirect defense spending in 2010?

Do you really think we need a larger defense budget than Russia, China, all of Europe and South America...COMBINED?

I actually favor a strong defense, but this is nuts. We have that defense in large part because we have to maintain such a strong presence in places where oil comes from.

Check out real data and tell me how the hell we can afford this kind of spending:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spend...


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/1/2010 6:34:00 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Why don't you educate yourself before you disparage other people's comments.


Why don't you rub one out and chill? There was no "disparagement" of your comments.

Military spending is clearly the major backbone of your argument. Because we're in "places with oil". So don't backpedal now.

quote:
Do you really think we need a larger defense budget than Russia, China, all of Europe and South America...COMBINED?


Well we obviously do. I suppose not only are you a financial economic oil expert, but a military expert as well?

quote:
Check out real data and tell me how the hell we can afford this kind of spending: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spend...


Those numbers are bogus. No wonder you're so upset. Ha, you actually believe China's entire military budget was only 50 billion in '04!!!???


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By topkill on 9/1/2010 7:25:57 PM , Rating: 3
No. As I said before, the military is something you brought up and I stayed away from until you did. I am in no way backpedaling.

Here is my post from the thread below, which I assumed you would also read (bad assumption on my part because the threads split from the way I answered in two places):

" From MIT's Technology Review (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/25545/...

" Fossil fuels are the backbone of economies worldwide, so governments spend a lot to support them. A new report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance says altogether governments spent between $43 anf $46 billion on renewable energy and biofuels last year, not including indirect support, such as subsidies to corn farmers that help ethanol production. Direct subsidies of fossil fuels came to $557 billion, the report says. "

What would an ICE car cost to fuel and operate without that $557BILLION spent just last year on fossil fuel subsidies? "

If you want to talk about the military, then we can ALSO speak about that. I've found other assessments and they all argue similar numbers for the military numbers. China in the $50-65Million range and us somewhere between $690million and a $1.03 trillion...depending on whether you only count "direct" military spending or if you throw in the cost of things like the interest on the money we borrowed to fund it.

If you have better numbers that you believe are more accurate, please share them. You're disputing anything I say even if I bring data to the table and you're just giving opinions. If you have something better, I really would be glad to see it because I honestly want to know.


RE: if PEV can't compete...
By topkill on 9/1/2010 3:44:31 PM , Rating: 3
What amazes me is that we spend tens of billions subsidizing petroleum each year, in the US alone, and most people don't know it.

And I'm not even including the cost to maintain a military much larger than it needs to be so we can control and insure the flow of oil. We sure as hell don't need troops to make sure we deliver electricity in San Diego or corn for ethanol in Iowa or soybeans for bio-diesel in Kansas. But let's put aside the military side of things for a minute and just look at direct subsidies.

From MIT's Technology Review (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/25545/...

" Fossil fuels are the backbone of economies worldwide, so governments spend a lot to support them. A new report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance says altogether governments spent between $43 anf $46 billion on renewable energy and biofuels last year, not including indirect support, such as subsidies to corn farmers that help ethanol production. Direct subsidies of fossil fuels came to $557 billion, the report says. "

What would an ICE car cost to fuel and operate without that $557BILLION spent just last year on fossil fuel subsidies?

Like I said, do you guys really want to compare ICE to an EV? I mean the REAL cost that we pay.


The Big Question
By Reclaimer77 on 9/1/2010 11:25:11 AM , Rating: 1
This is all very well and good. Sales figures and projections are one thing, but I have a question. At what point do electric vehicles stand on their own and start being purchased without huge government subsidies or "rebates"? Because to me that's the most important indicator of how ready for the market these types of vehicles are and how much saturation they will attain.




RE: The Big Question
By Dr of crap on 9/1/2010 12:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but you forget the govt is PUSHING these upon us by using the subsides.
These cars will not sell that much.
Maybe in China and Europe, but I think the US car buyer doesn't want these in as big a number as projected.
There are some GOOD changes in the pipline for the gas powered engine that will help in meeting the CAFE numbers.
But why not open up the govt money spigot to ALL alternative propulsion fuels and let the engineers and consumers have at it and we'll see which will survive!


RE: The Big Question
By Reclaimer77 on 9/1/2010 2:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, but you forget the govt is PUSHING these upon us by using the subsides.


Oh I haven't forgotten :)


RE: The Big Question
By lolmuly on 9/1/2010 10:07:22 PM , Rating: 2
there are also GOOD changes in the pipeline for battery powered vehicles that will make them cheaper than a ice's, and it's quite likely you'll be able to go further on a battery than a full tank of gas.

why should we waste money on six different technologies when we already know which will win in the long run?? it comes down to infrastructure, when you get down to it, electricity is much cheaper to transport than hydrogen, or gasoline, or ethanol, not to mention that an improved electric infrastructure will also help our other needs...

people talk about waste, investing in 6 massive infrastructures is wasteful...... we need only one, ELECTRICITY.


RE: The Big Question
By Ammohunt on 9/1/2010 2:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
I personally would never consider buying one. Besides we are just trading one energy source(oil) for another(coal) there isn't a magical energy fairy thats going to wave a wand and make electric cars pollution free. Uprage the power supply grid, dot the country with nuclear plants and increase the pathetic range of the current vehicles to a realistic distance i might reconsider one.


RE: The Big Question
By Spuke on 9/1/2010 2:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Uprage the power supply grid, dot the country with nuclear plants and increase the pathetic range of the current vehicles to a realistic distance i might reconsider one.
I may own an electric car someday but not for me to drive. It would be for my wife if she wanted one.


Nissan Volt?
By rzrshrp on 9/1/2010 10:32:49 AM , Rating: 5
Surely, you mean the Nissan leaf. I was wondering if there was a partnership that I didn't know of.




RE: Nissan Volt?
By rzrshrp on 9/1/2010 10:33:38 AM , Rating: 5
The picture caption, to be specific.


And I hope...
By chunkymonster on 9/1/2010 11:54:01 AM , Rating: 2
that Telsa Motors take the majority of the EV market in America...subsidies or not!




RE: And I hope...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/1/2010 12:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla wont make it another year without significant private or public sector bailouts. They aren't taking over ANYTHING at this point, they are barely above the water.


RE: And I hope...
By chunkymonster on 9/2/2010 9:54:43 PM , Rating: 2
Oh! For a moment there I thought you were talking about General Motors...but then I remembered we are referring to Tesla...</sarcasm>

Even a cynic has to admit that 300 miles on a single charge is better than any EV currently available. If Tesla did get some government assistance in the form of my tax dollars at least it is going towards the production and sale of innovative technology that could actually reduce oil dependency and promote a "green economy".


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