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Black Friday boosts Sony PlayStation hardware sales across the board

A price drop can work wonders in enticing customers who are on the fence to buy. Such is the case for the PlayStation 3, which saw sales triple during the Thanksgiving buying week.

Sales of PlayStation 3 experienced a 245 percent jump in the week of November 18-24 compared to the previous week. While Black Friday draws out armies of shoppers, Sony said that the sudden surge of sales was largely due to the price cuts introduced on October 18.

Sony’s other systems also performed well during Thanksgiving week, with PSP sales up 136 percent and PS2 sales up 287 percent compared to the previous week.

The 80GB PlayStation 3 dropped from $599 to $499; and on November 2, Sony launched its entry-level PlayStation 3 at $399, which includes a 40GB hard drive and further simplified hardware. According to Sony, the release of the 40GB model – the cheapest PlayStation 3 yet – has spurred sales to increase 298 percent between November 2 and November 24.

While Sony did not release unit figures, GameSpot extrapolates from October NPD numbers that around 321,750 PS3s were sold in November through Black Friday in North America. If those figures are accurate, Sony will likely have its most successful month this year.



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Black Friday
By Sunday Ironfoot on 11/28/2007 9:12:58 AM , Rating: 2
So a product see's a sales boost on Black Friday, well ain't that amazing, also did you know the sky is blue?




RE: Black Friday
By Chaser on 11/28/2007 9:19:05 AM , Rating: 2
I'd say in light of the sales rate prior to the price cut -noted in the article the beginning of November- a 298% increase in sales is a bit more that a Black Friday anomaly. In this case more like green.


RE: Black Friday
By FITCamaro on 11/28/2007 9:36:55 AM , Rating: 2
Well the $400 model helped too. But I think a lot of it was the Black Friday sales combined with all the people who've been waiting for it to get cheaper. I guess the question is how well did the 360 do.


RE: Black Friday
By mdogs444 on 11/28/2007 9:53:47 AM , Rating: 3
Im sure it was a mixture of 3 things: Black Friday, the $399 40GB PS3, as well as the Free 15 Blue Ray movie promotion over the weekend at Kmart.

Several things have already been proven - and not necessarily pertaining to the PS3:

1. Black Friday will always see an increase in sales
2. A price drop will always see an increase in sales (Xbox 360 anyone?)
3. Free give-aways & Promotions are meant to increase sales

So what happens when you mix all 3 together at one? You see an increase of almost 300%.

This isn't really rocket science at all. But what will really tell everyone the true story is how the sales figures continue throughout the holiday season, and what type of drop off you see following the holiday season. Because I'm willing to bet there was an increase this past weekend of Xbox 360's sold, and we've already read the other DT article citing the Wii sold more during the past weekend than it ever has.


RE: Black Friday
By StevoLincolnite on 11/28/2007 12:32:05 PM , Rating: 2
Its allot easier to multiply something when the numbers are lower, try increasing the Wii's sales by 300% and see how easy it is to do.


RE: Black Friday
By npoe1 on 11/28/2007 12:35:40 PM , Rating: 3
I bought a PS3 because the promotion of 15 BD movies at Wal-Mart and is collecting dust. The PS3 doesn’t have any games that interest me. Xbox 360 is still my main gaming machine.


RE: Black Friday
By Topweasel on 11/28/2007 9:55:54 AM , Rating: 3
No it sound exactly like a Black Friday anomaly. Just look at the PS2 sales. That is a system that everyone and their mother has yet it saw a 250+% increase. No-One not even Sony can use Black Friday sales to measure anything but how good a day it is. The real measuring stick would be to take pre-BF week sales and compare them to post-BF sales in comparison to other generally in stock competition (meaning Xbox360 because the Wii sales are still matching production).

Only then can you see how the price cut affected sales.


Lamest...PR...Ever.
By Verran on 11/28/2007 11:13:57 AM , Rating: 2
Wow! PS3 sales went up during the biggest shopping week of the year! That's amazing!

What was the percentage of growth for 360s, or Wiis, or any other competing console? The article avoids the pertinent context and doesn't say. For that matter, what was the percentage growth for vacuum cleaner sales?! Probably about the same, because EVERYTHING goes up this time of year.

But I guess it's all how you twist it, and we all know how good Sony is at that. I just didn't expect DT to blindly propagate figures like this without putting them in a real perspective.




RE: Lamest...PR...Ever.
By Murst on 11/28/2007 11:22:44 AM , Rating: 3
Here are weekly sales according to vgchartz for black friday week. Please keep in mind that these numbers are for the Americas only.

Wii Sold about 421k consoles. Previous week they sold 254k consoles, resulting in a 66% increase.

PS3 sold about 174k consoles. Previous week they sold 94k consoles, resulting in a 84% increase.

XBox 360 sold about 254k consoles, previous week they sold about 163k consoles, resulting in a 56% increase.


RE: Lamest...PR...Ever.
By Verran on 11/28/2007 11:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks, those are exactly the numbers I was looking for.

This article points out PS3 growth of about 300% from last month, but when compared with other console growth over the same time period (consoles that did NOT experience a price cut), the numbers seem rather lack-luster. PS3 only showed 28% more growth than 360, and only 18% more than Wii. Those are great numbers in comparison, but hardly as gleaming as the 300% that seems to be presented out of context.

Furthermore, Sony's data lists about 321k sold for November. However, 174k of those weren't sold until the week of black friday, three weeks AFTER the price drop. To me it seems like black friday played a much larger part in the sales increase than the price drop, yet the article seems to just blindly parrot Sony's assertion with quotes like this:
quote:
A price drop can work wonders in enticing customers who are on the fence to buy. Such is the case for the PlayStation 3, which saw sales triple during the Thanksgiving buying week.


RE: Lamest...PR...Ever.
By Murst on 11/28/2007 12:17:44 PM , Rating: 4
Perhaps I posted the wrong numbers... the numbers from above only relate to black friday week sales compared to the previous week.

In order to see where sony is coming from, it would be useful to take a look at the following graph:

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1...

From here, its pretty clear that while at the beginning of october sales of the PS3 were pretty bad, they have increased at a much higher pace (in terms of percentages) than the 360. Of course, they're still behind the 360.

Another interesting thing that can be seen from this graph is that while Sony is correct that they have had a very good increase in terms of percentage of units sold, when you compare unit sales, the Xbox360 and the PS3 follow the same pattern.

If Sony can be happy about anything, it should be that the PS3 is doing very well in every region except the US when compared to the 360. When you compare world wide weekly sales, the PS3 and 360 are about equal now, even though the PS3 trails by a lot in the USA.


RE: Lamest...PR...Ever.
By BansheeX on 11/28/2007 5:31:40 PM , Rating: 4
Considering that the PS3 has the highest MSRP of all consoles, I'd say that those numbers are indeed impressive. The demand for the PS3 has always been there (150 million PS2s sold) and this has always been Sony's generation to lose. It was simply a matter of dropping the price to levels that appeal to pure gamers. I think that as soon as the price goes down to $350 with the RSX 65nm shrink this spring, and stuff like Silent Hill, GTA IV, Soul Calibur IV and MGS get released, PS3 sales are going to explode.


A little late
By Nik00117 on 11/28/2007 9:31:19 AM , Rating: 1
Their target audience isn't going shell out 600 USD for a console i'm sorry they simply aren't.

And their console doesn't attract the big spenders (PC gamers) I'm a PC gamer and would think nothing of it to spend 500-600 USD on a few upgrades. However I don't like console gaming.

Sony should of understood this from the get go. The console must be cheap, and it must be good or it won't sell.

When the price tag for the PS3 first came out I already knew it was a failure at that price. I mean sony is already losing like what 600 a console whats another 200 more in order to insure solid sales which result in more games being bought which is where they intend on making their $$$ back.




RE: A little late
By FITCamaro on 11/28/2007 9:39:43 AM , Rating: 5
Well the console no longer is $600. It's $400 and $500.

I think one of the biggest problems (and not just with Sony) is that gamers in the UK and EU are getting majorly anal raped considering the cost of the console is still the same number but given the higher value of those currencies vs. the US dollar, they're paying 1.5-2x as much for it as we are.


RE: A little late
By gumbi18 on 11/28/2007 7:33:33 PM , Rating: 2
Aussies are also getting majorly raped in terms of console price. The 40 GB PS3 retails here for AU$699 or US$618.86. Not to mention as well new, games cost AU$120 or US$106.24.

So I would have to say that the US buyers are getting considerably better savings. An extra US$218 for the PS3 cannot be justified by the smaller market for it here in Oz.


RE: A little late
By jhinoz on 11/28/2007 9:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
and yet we pay it...

wasn't that long ago they were AU$999


RE: A little late
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 10:59:36 AM , Rating: 2
I think your comment is off. The PS3 is *only* attracting the big spenders. You think the people who spent $600 on them are cheap or something? Who do you think are buying these things?


RE: A little late
By BansheeX on 11/28/2007 7:23:35 PM , Rating: 2
I bought mine for $320 during the 10-day long K-Mart deal mid-November.


Give it a year
By Chaser on 11/28/2007 8:58:15 AM , Rating: 2
And here we go. Smart move yet a little late by Sony.




RE: Give it a year
By 5c8wc4 on 11/28/2007 9:11:49 AM , Rating: 4
Better late then never. I think sony will have this in mind on the next generation, when it comes to pricing.


By reader1 on 11/28/2007 10:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
"PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) hardware sales increased by 245% when compared to Black Friday sales last year."

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?st...

The PS3 sold about 200k last November. I'm guessing it was around 125-175k for the week.




By Murst on 11/28/2007 11:04:09 AM , Rating: 3
The difference was that last november, sales were limited due to supply.

I'm not sure on the exact date, but I'm pretty sure that the PS3 came out a week before black friday last year. It was sold out in every store until around xmas.


Common sense, FUD, and the power of small numbers
By ChipDude on 11/28/2007 12:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
Like others have noted, price drop, lots of invetory, incentives, teaser deals and stores packed deep with holiday shoppers better see sales rise.

Everystore I was at in Oct and early November had piles of PS3 invetory. Take the local BestBuy had a pallett with them 8 high. Fill the store with people that had been spending hours standing in line in the cold and with a buy buy buy mindset and need to put a hot gift under the tree why wouldn't you see a huge leap. I'm sure even mundane things like socks, ties see a 200+% sales rise.

Don't forget that PS3 sales have been very low compared to xbox360 and wii that even this large a rise doesn't solve PS3's problem of being dead last in sales and dead last in installed base resulting in dead last in priority for game developers on the most difficult platform to program

Sony should have matched wii in price if it wanted every to move to 2nd place.

Wii sales will look dismal in comparison to xbox360 and PW3 as its supply constrained. It was interesting that at Gamestop it was PS3/PS2 guitar heroIII that was sitting on the floor and xbo360 and wii versions were all sold out.

High end gaming its xbox360 that will dominate, for the casual gamer its wii. ANd for those with money for two game platforms its going to be xbox360 and wii.

I'll be picking up a 360. THe reason is simple. My kids tell me there aren't any games they want on PS3. They want Call Of Duty IV and Halo3 and that pretty much seals the deal.




By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 5:07:11 PM , Rating: 3
I see that even good news is still bad news for Sony. The PS3 drops in price, Sony sucks because the lower-priced SKU stinks because there is no backwards compatibility. PS3 sales increase and Sony still sucks because that is supposed to happen during the Christmas holiday. Never mind that the PS3's sales arc is pretty much identical to the Xbox360's for the same point in each's lifecycle. Forget that the PS3 keeps pace with the 360 everywhere but the U.S. Forget that the 360 is still plagued by hardware issues. Forget that the gap in quality games between the 360 and the PS3 has dropped sharply, with Ratchet and Clank and Drake's Fortune having graphics arguably superior to anything on the 360. Let's even forget that the PS3 has an excellent record for stability, includes all of the newest technology, and has been upgraded via firmware steadily.

It's okay not to like the PS3 but let's stop with the notion that the PS is "overpriced" or in some way inferior to the 360. In the last month, I've got Ratchet and Clank, Assassin's Creed, CoD4, and Drake's Fortune all out for the PS3, with the cross-platform titles just as good as the 360 versions. As the PS3 gets better titles, there are fewer reasons to choose a 360.


So...
By BioRebel on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: So...
By michal1980 on 11/28/2007 9:28:50 AM , Rating: 2
did you even read the article?

whats the next comment from you? ps3 has no games.

isn't it getting old to use the same jokes/lies for over a year? or do you actually belive what you say?


RE: So...
By FITCamaro on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: So...
By AlphaVirus on 11/28/2007 10:08:02 AM , Rating: 3
I bought a PS3 simply for the +10 Blu Disc movies +5 mail in rebate. Since I am not a single man I have to think about the spouse and what she approves of. The movies were a major plus in my case, she was able to pick out the movies she liked. So that Saturday special at WalMart was great, I got an 80GB PS3 for $500 and my wife got 10 movies free.
Addition to the PS3 with motostorm included, I bought Heavenly Sword (which is so much fun, similar to God of War), and an intercooler.

Oh and what I thought was funny, the special was for movies under $30 but they gave me the special for $50 movies also. I guess since WalMart just really isnt the biggest tech store, they dont care about the details, just the sale.

Oh and for anyone thinking of getting a PS3, just go buy it because its worth it. If you have a USB controller for your PC, you can use that as a 2nd or 3rd controller on the PC, it allows up to 7 wireless controllers. Also my PC mouse and keyboard work perfectly on the PS3.

The argument of "there are no games to buy" Lol when games cost $30-60 each, I am not going to be spending my whole check on 20 games anyways. Buying 2 or 3 is enough money.

Hopefully my experience can help any other buyers out there, good luck.


RE: So...
By afkrotch on 11/28/2007 12:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
I buy both movies and games for my PS3. I recently picked up the 1st Die Hard on Blu-ray. Would have picked them all up, but the BX (think Wal-mart on a US military base) didn't have all of them.

I think it's well worth the $400 or $500 for a PS3. Play games, watch movies, use whatever other features it has. I prefer it just a little more than my Xbox 360, cause of the blu-ray. If Xbox 360 put out one with built-in HD-DVD and keep the same cost, I'd put them on par.

I'm not huge on FPS on console, so one reason why I put the PS3 a little over 360. If I was all about the FPS games, sure, 360 wins hands down on that.


RE: So...
By FITCamaro on 11/28/2007 12:31:19 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't saying there were no games. I'm sure there are some fun ones. But I base certain game buys off the reviews I read. And based on those reviews, nothing has prompted me to go get a PS3 since every game I've wanted has been available for the 360.

There have been no killer titles in my mind that drives me to go out and purchase a PS3. I read that Heavenly Sword is good, but also that its insanely short. Is that a reason to go spend about $600 when it's all said and done? No.

As far as the movies, I don't like Blu-ray. So while I'll take the free ones if and when I buy a PS3, I'm not going to buy any more.


RE: So...
By AlphaVirus on 11/28/2007 1:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
Oh I was not saying that towards you, someone further up the page said there were few games. I can agree on the killer titles, but we should further that by saying Exclusive titles.

Alot of people own a 360 already and a few of the good games on ps3 are on 360 so they have no reason to buy the 2nd system.

I am a PC person/gamer so I am new to using a next-gen console in my own house (I have played on other peoples). I must say that I am very impressed and I look forward to making a partial investment in this.

I know one thing PC gamers struggle with is compatibility and requirements. Consoles do not have this issue so that is the main reason I wanted to try it out. No lag, no random glitches, no "Run-time error", or update your directX, lol to name a few.

Oh and one thing that I loved about the Ps3, the remote. I keep hearing that the wiimote is whats hot, after using the sixaxis I was shocked. Nearly all the games make use of it in a unique way. The battery it built into it, to charge just plug it into the USB port. I would estimate on a full charge it lasted me like 12 hours because I play like 3 hours a day and I bought it last Saturday.

With the Wii and 360 you always have to press a button or do something strange to reconfigure a new controller but with the PS3 you just plug the usb into it.

The intercooler is the one thing I am iffy about. It basically wraps around the entire back with 5 fans and to the side with 2 fans. It reaches towards the front with a power switch and and asdjustable fan knob. I dont see a reason to have it very high so I leave it on low, but surprisingly it is pretty loud so when I watch movies its a little distracting if you dont have surround sound.

Another bad thing, I buy things on Craigslist but cant find anything from PS3 on there. I live in Houston,TX so its not a city-size problem. If I could find used games in my area I would buy them. =)

If you have any questions about it, I can give a more personal review and not something from the labs.

Alphavirus2g@yahoo.com


RE: So...
By aos007 on 11/28/2007 2:02:31 PM , Rating: 1
Unfortunately there ARE glitches with consoles. After 2.00, my PS3 froze at least 6 times, 3 times in Uncharted and 2 times in Assassin's Creed. After 2.01 update, it froze even after simply stopping the bluray playback. I had to turn the power off with the physical switch that time.

And that doesn't even account for bluetooth controller disconnects which happen once every few hours. Pray it isn't during the boss battle (as happened to me during Ratchet and Clank).


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 2:51:01 PM , Rating: 2
BS. I've never had a controller disconnect on me. And 2.0 actually fixed freeze glitches on my ps3. Haven't had one since the update. Assassin's Creed is a buggy ass game, and Ubisoft is working on a patch. If you can still push the PS button to get the menu, its the games fault it froze. I haven't had a single freeze up in Uncharted, though I still haven't finished so perhaps they're further on.

That said, I have seen alot of forum posts regarding freezes brought on by 2.0, but personally I haven't experienced this or the controller issue.


RE: So...
By SirLucius on 11/28/2007 3:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, don't know what the problem could be. I haven't picked up Uncharted yet, so I can't speak to that, but Assassin's Creed is buggy on its own, no fault of the PS3's. I've had it lock up a few times on me, usually when I first load the game, but I just push the PS button and quit the game from there. Restart and everything is fine. The only other game I've had lock up is Ghost Recon 2 and that was because of smudges on the disc.

Again, not sure what's up with your controller either. I've never had mine cut out on me. The only thing is that it gets a little less responsive when the battery is low. I also have a nasty habit of forgetting to turn my controller off since I have my PS3 running most of the time, so it gets a fair amount of use.

You may want to try rolling back/reinstalling the updates. Maybe you got a bad install? I'm not sure the procedure but I'm sure it's available either in the PS3 documentation or on the PS forums.


RE: So...
By aos007 on 11/28/2007 6:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
Assassin's Creed freezing bug is the game problem, but other two issues - in Uncharted and XMB - may not be. A friend experienced a freeze in the Uncharted too. Sony released 2.01 to address stability problems, so there's something going on in there that shouldn't be. I had no problems with PS3 for the whole year until now but then I was mostly playing PS2 games or bluray on it.

Controller disconnecting is a known issue that plagued some people way back when PS3 was released. It may not affect all controllers or it may be related to saturated traffic in 2.4GHz range, who knows - but it's very annoying.


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/29/2007 2:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
The PS3 doesn't NEED the intercooler. They're just cashing in off the RROD thing on the 360. Its a waste of money, and may actually be hurting your ps3. The ps3 ran in a sauna in that "How to kill a ps3" article that was all over for like 12 hours and still worked fine, the console is built like a tank.


RE: So...
By aos007 on 11/28/2007 2:16:10 PM , Rating: 2
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is one of the most fun games out this year on any console. It isn't short either. Probably the best game for PS3 so far. The reviews are excellent as well. And the difficulty is just right. Unlike, say, stupid overhyped Crysis with its peashooter weapons and superhuman North Koreans, which is keyboard-breaking difficult without any good reason. What's worse,
Crysis doesn't even look that good once you drop settings to high and resolution to 720p or so.

The other good game to get is Ratchet and Clank (not short either). You also have COD4 which is great fun while it lasts but it's not worth the asking price for only a few hours of gameplay.

But, I will agree that PS3 is still not a good purchase for a gamer unless you also plan to utilize its bluray drive for movies. For me personally, neither is Wii. 360's library is by far the best.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 11:07:30 AM , Rating: 2
You are comparing Sony admitting the PS3 is expensive and lowering the price with MS finally fixing their defective consoles?
Both consoles have their strengths and good games. Neither is going anywhere.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/2007 11:26:35 AM , Rating: 1
No i was comparing how both companies have dealt with negative backlash to their respective consoles.

Check it out:

Sony dropped features to drop the price. They addresseed the complaint but partially by reducing the feature set. The price drop doesn't really reflect the loss of features

They addressed the issue only becuase it didnt cost them significantly.

MS extended the warranty to make sure their customers were takin care of, refunded repair bills, etc.

They addressed the issue despite the fact that it cost them significantly.

See the difference?

Oh yeah, I never said Sony was going away but their is no doubt that they have significantly hurt their install base becuase of the actions thay have taken. When your install base suffers your software and accessories suffers. Software and accessories are where the money is made. Basically what I was getting at was while yeah the console will live and it will be successful it wont be the success they wanted it to be.


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 12:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
Thats exactly what I said. You're comparing Sony dropping the price to MS fixing the broken 360's. Do you really think MS had a choice in the matter? It was only a matter of time before the class action suit.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/2007 3:55:39 PM , Rating: 2
maybe I'm misunderstanding your reply or your previous post. My comments were about how they addressed the negative issues of their consoles, not the issue's themselves.

You're right, MS didn't have a choice but the way they dealt with it is my point. MS could have easily screwed themselves if they had not handled it properly. If they had not addressed it, then yeah class action would have resulted, they would have lost a lot of money and huge damage to the brand name. I'm not giving them a free pass on the fact that the consoles single handidly raise the global temperature by 1 degree, thus launching AL Gore on his crusade to save the planet. It was a poor design choice. If you remember they were talking about having a liquid cooling design but decided against it for cost reasons. I have no illusions about MS. MS is looking out for their bottom line like any company would. Their design mistakes are costing them a lot of money now but in the long run the payout for the "XBOX" brand will be huge.

Sony didn't have a choice either hence the lower end SKU's. It's how they aproached it. They maintained the high price point for a while at the expense of sales. The lack of sales made developers jump ship costing them more money. Sony's choice to not just eat the cost and to minimize loss now has negatively impacted the "Paystation" brand. I'm not saying that it has destroyed the PS brand and it will never recover. Far from it. I'm saying the negative PR has affected how successful this console could have been. Sony could have crushed MS but their blunders have cost them dearly. And becuase of their mistakes it gave MS a huge opportunity that they definitely took advantage of. This has gained them significant market share in the console gaming world.

Hopefully I'm explaining this well enough that you get what I'm saying and I'm not coming accross as a crazed fan boy


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 5:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
OOh, ok. Guess I missed your point.

Microsoft took the gamble of releasing a year earlier than Sony and Nintendo, and as of now it does seem like its paid off. Sure the consoles themselves are dying at an alarming rate, but it does have a pretty good library, and its the favored platform for next gen multiplats. They got their foot in the door, and they don't care how many replacement 360's they have to cram in there to keep it that way.

Sony really needed to drop the cost on the PS3. Although its followed the 360's first year sales growth while costing $200 more, they obviously can't catch up selling at the same rate. Sony had to make some choices. They contracted Foxconn instead of Asus to build the 40gb with streamlined features and the smaller cell. Losing PS2 b/c sucks. But Sony made those calls to get the price down to where more people could buy it. And there are plenty of good games now where you don't *need* PS2 games to fill your playtime. People that want it will just have to pay. Those who don't get a sweet deal.

I'm still playing Persona 3 on my PS3 though :P


RE: So...
By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 5:37:18 PM , Rating: 1
I read somewhere that cross-plat developers are starting to develop on the PS3 FIRST now. It makes sense as that platform is the more difficult to program.


RE: So...
By Chaser on 11/28/2007 1:17:54 PM , Rating: 5
And what would that be exactly?

I thought politicians spin doctored enough but a majority of PS3 haters are truly living in denial.

The notion that extending a "put in a box and ship it somewhere round trip while waiting" warranty is a face saving measure? How about designing the thing right the first time? I've even heard rumors -unsubstanciated as they may be- that even the new die shrinked models may not eliminate the RROD issues....yet.

So how is this a major PR win for Microsoft?

I want to thank Dailytech for posting articles without favortism. But sadly it's many of your readers on here that seem to have some major issue with nearly anything positive reported about the PS3.

Friends its this simple: The world was waiting for the next Playstation. Although sales in the U.S. aren't as high as the Xbox, world-wide its a completely different story. the PS3 does indeed have an excellent line up of games for this holiday season. It's here. It's not "losing". Its selling exceptionally well in Europe, Asia, Australia and certainly enough in the U.S.

I don't own a 360 and probably never will. But I don't waste my time going to 360 posts and try and spin everything positive about it into some kind of negative dream spin. Asa matter of fact the only post I have ever done on a 360 article was congratulating the success of Halo III.

The PS3 is here. Its wonderful that is also includes a Blue Ray player that I use for all my DVD video viewing. It's not going anywhere. It's not any "lesser" whatever that may mean.

Merry Christmas and a wonderful gaming season!


RE: So...
By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 5:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
Amen.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/2007 6:25:00 PM , Rating: 1
It seems to me you replied on the basis that I'm an MS fan boy. Read it again and read my replies to Brockway.

I never in my post let MS off the hook for the defective consoles, I merely pointed out that they handled the negative backlash against their console better than Sony did with theirs.

It was a major PR win for MS. They turned around a disaster that could have sent a lot of people running to the PS3 side of the house, and destroyed their lead over Sony in this generation console wars. The 3 year warranty gave people that had the console peace of mind that if and when it crapped out they would be covered. That adds value to the system in the minds of consumers becuase they now feel that the money they spent wont be turned into a doorstop.

Sony lowered the price but they didn't increase the perceived value. They took away features that were and for some people still are important. Thats like saying here have this nice car for 5K less but no stereo and no A/C. Yeah it's cheaper but it's also less valuable. I also said that Sony was starting to turn things around, I just felt that they are doing it half heartedly. I also never said that the PS3 was a failure. I just stated that Sony's attitude has hurt the maximum potential of their console and therefore sales. It's always about the bottom line and their near sightedness has hurt theirs.

You chide me about being bias but you have absolutely ruled out the notion of ever picking up a 360. Why is that? I already stated in a previous post that I liked the PS3 and I'm considering getting one. So before you go flaming me next time why don't you stop for a minute and read what I wrote.


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By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 9:09:54 PM , Rating: 1
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It was a major PR win for MS.


Ummm, no, it was the ONLY thing MS COULD do under the circumstances. That cool billion was going to get paid out either by MS voluntarily or in class-action lawsuits. If you want to give MS credit for being able to throw a billion dollars at an issue that would have destroyed almost any other console maker, then great. But if the same thing had happened to the Wii, we'd only now have two consoles.

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The 3 year warranty gave people that had the console peace of mind that if and when it crapped out they would be covered.


Great, something to look forward to. I wonder how many people are chomping at the bit to exercise that warranty. I know I'M always looking for that neato opportunity to send in defective hardware and wait for weeks twiddling my thumbs until it returns.

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Sony lowered the price but they didn't increase the perceived value. They took away features that were and for some people still are important.


What Sony realized is that it could release a SKU at a price point that made it competitive... how wrong. I have a 60GB PS3, I'm glad I have backwards compatibility but I also was willing to pony up the extra dough to NOT have a PS2 on my entertainment stand. Sony's notion is that anyone who wants to play PS2 games will just BUY a PS2 as that is actually MORE cost effective for the consumer AND Sony... instead of taking a loss on PS2 compatibility in the PS3, Sony actually MAKES money by just selling a PS2 for anyone who needs that capability. That's smart business to realize that your last-gen console is still selling so well that you can remove that feature and come out with a lower priced SKU of your next-gen console to build up a user base. It's more of a convenience issue than anything else. And now, the backwards-compatible unit is an even better value.

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You chide me about being bias but you have absolutely ruled out the notion of ever picking up a 360. Why is that? I already stated in a previous post that I liked the PS3 and I'm considering getting one. So before you go flaming me next time why don't you stop for a minute and read what I wrote.


In the immortal words of Will Smith from the movie, Bad Boys, 'cause "that !@#$ be havin' a slant." You give MS credit for simply covering its ass and knock Sony for giving consumers a lower priced SKU by sacrificing a feature that is pretty much just a convenience because the cost of the lower SKU + a PS2 is comparable. I don't know if you are a fanboy, but this is spin at its best.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/2007 10:10:47 PM , Rating: 1
If you read what I wrote when I replied to Brockway:

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You're right, MS didn't have a choice but the way they dealt with it is my point. MS could have easily screwed themselves if they had not handled it properly. If they had not addressed it, then yeah class action would have resulted, they would have lost a lot of money and huge damage to the brand name. I'm not giving them a free pass on the fact that the consoles single handidly raise the global temperature by 1 degree, thus launching AL Gore on his crusade to save the planet. It was a poor design choice. If you remember they were talking about having a liquid cooling design but decided against it for cost reasons. I have no illusions about MS. MS is looking out for their bottom line like any company would. Their design mistakes are costing them a lot of money now but in the long run the payout for the "XBOX" brand will be huge.


So yeah it was a PR win they SPUN the negative momentum of the widespread RROD problem and they made it work for them. Since you like to use the word spin, I'll put it another way. MS used over 1 billion dollars of spin to keep its install base happy and to keep most of them from defecting.

And no, nobody looks forward to their console croaking but think about it, now at least your 299$/399$ investment won't become a permanent paperweight. So many companies won't own up, and I'm not saying that this is the norm for MS. Still, aren't you glad they did, and it's their just in case?

Their was also more about Sony and no I wasn't dogging them.

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Sony's notion is that anyone who wants to play PS2 games will just BUY a PS2 as that is actually MORE cost effective for the consumer AND Sony ... instead of taking a loss on PS2 compatibility in the PS3, Sony actually MAKES money by just selling a PS2 for anyone who needs that capability.


That part I underlined, at least the part about Sony, is the same thing I had said in my earlier post. Sony is only willing to cut the price if it doesn't cost them. The BC feature was announced as part of the system. Taking it away and then saying well if you want it just go buy a PS2...WTF?!?!

And lastly, to you it's just a convenience to others it was a big deal. Perception. Funny cuz thats what my OP was about to begin with, how consumers perceive MS and Sony. How both companies have handled negative PR and how for Sony it was changing for the better and that I might buy a f@&%ing PS3!

So next time you want to criticize me why don't you read from the beginning make sure you got your shit straight.

One more thing because you keep pimping the idea of just go buy a PS2 well I'm thinking your shits slanted


RE: So...
By Mach Omega on 11/28/07, Rating: 0
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By Murst on 11/28/2007 11:11:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure this will vary, but I went out last friday to look for deals on the blu-ray remote for the PS3 (I initially went to game stop, but their $10 remote was nothing like the official sony one).

The target closest to my house was sold out of PS3s, and its probably the first time I've not seen a PS3 in that store since last december. So people, at least in my area, do appear to be picking them up. The best buy nearby has plenty of them, though.

In any case, it certainly does appear that a larger number of people picked up a PS3 recently when compared to previous months. Once the numbers actually come out, it will be interesting to compare the % increase of the Wii, 360, and the PS3. I would expect the % increase in sales to be even higher for the Wii with SMG coming out, and anything under a 300% increase for the 360 would probably be a disappointment for MS considering they have Bioshock/Mass Effect/Halo 3 out (when was the last time a console had so many big name titles come out in such a short span of time?).


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 12:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
Wii sales can't really increase, they're manufacturing limited at this point. SMG sales probably are awesome though.
I don't see why some people seem to think that more PS3's selling is a bad thing. As much as some people don't want to admit it, there are games that can only be made on the PS3. Sony has some really awesome 1st and 2nd party devs. And 3rd parties like IW w/ CoD4 are stepping up.


RE: So...
By FITCamaro on 11/28/2007 12:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Please. Name a game that can be done on the PS3 that can't be done on the 360? And more and more developers are going to start supporting the 360s hard drive now that Microsoft allows it. If games like Assassin's Creed, COD4, and GTA4 can be done fine on both systems, anything can. The only thing it'd be harder to do on the 360 is an MMO. But FFXI proves that it can be done.

I don't see more PS3s being sold as a bad thing. I just don't have a reason to buy one.


RE: So...
By Murst on 11/28/2007 1:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
The way I read his comment is in terms of first and second party titles (for example, GT5 can't be made on the 360 because it is a studio owned by Sony, just as Halo can't be made on the PS3 because it is owned by MS).

But yeah, theoretically the 360 and PS3 support similar types of games.


RE: So...
By Brockway on 11/28/2007 2:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
I meant can't be done on the 360 the same way Mario won't be done on the PS3. Murst read it how I meant it. On that note though, PS3 exclusives that make extensive use of Cell's spu's probably couldn't be ported to 360 anyways due to architecture differences. Not that similar results couldn't be done, just the game would just be fundamentally different from the ground up.


RE: So...
By BansheeX on 11/28/2007 5:12:29 PM , Rating: 2
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I just don't have a reason to buy one.


Likewise, I own a PS3 and see no appeal in the 360 as a result. I can play most of the 360's "exclusives" on the PC, but not the PS3's exclusives. I don't have to deal with a noisy 12x dvd drive in the background while gaming. I don't pay for netplay. I have linux for emulation. I can upgrade the hard drive to one that I already own. I can watch high-def movies out of the box and it doesn't require a second hook-up cluttering my shelf. I can run folding@home when I'm at work or sleeping. I can basically do everything you can and more.


RE: So...
By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 5:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
Amen again.


RE: So...
By myrealname on 11/28/2007 1:04:13 PM , Rating: 2
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Sony lost a lot of good will and trust so while dropping the price helps, taking away features doesn't. Backwards compatability was a big deal to a lot of people. Reducing features such as a smaller HD to lower the price is no biggie becuase it's a reduction that doesnt take away from the functionality of the device. You can add an extra HD you can't add backwards compatability. To the majority of the public the PS3 and broken promises go hand in hand.


I wouldn't say the majority of the public shares this view, but it definitely bothers some people, and I'm one of those that see the $400 unit as a cop-out. I was personally waiting for the original unit to reach around $350-400 before buying one, but they've reached that price by removing features I want (backwards compatability, smaller hard drive, etc). Since I'm a big gamer, I may eventually buy one...but I guess I might as well wait til it drops to $200 and the unit is as slim as the current PS2.


RE: So...
By Manch on 11/28/2007 3:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
True, that last part is definitely my opinion. I work in IT so everyone I know are PC/console gaming addicts. We're all of the same mind about the PS3 so i guess I should have worded that differently. Backwards compatability was a big issue with a lot of my friends. The only reason I got a 360 when i did is cuz I got a discount which dropped the price for me. Otherwise I would have waited for a price drop. I may still get one but since they took out features they will have to drop the price even more or come out with a game I must have before I pick one up.


RE: So...
By Mach Omega on 11/28/2007 5:31:12 PM , Rating: 2
When people talk about "good will" and Sony, I immediately know they are fanbois. Microsoft released a system that it knew was defective and somehow only Sony is accountable to the public? Microsoft has a LONG and colorful history of unethical behavior and screwing the public... geez, how many class-actions suits has MS had to settle over the last decade? I don't trust MS any more than I trust Sony or Apple... what it boils down to is, do they make a great product? Other than Live or its current game library, the 360 really doesn't have anything that makes it superior to the PS3. In fact, quite the contrary. The PS3 already does a ton more than the 360 and, now that it's getting some games, it's finally showing its teeth. People talk about how hard it is to program the PS3, but we are seeing games now on the PS3 that have mind-blowing graphics. Is the PS3 really so threatening that it warrants FLUD (Flood of FUD) every time someone posts good news about it?


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