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Microsoft falls behind of console sales race due to supply shortages

To no one’s surprise, Nintendo once against stood at the top of the latest monthly console sales figures with both its portable and home console.

According to NPD Group retail sales data, the Nintendo DS sold 587,600 units, and the Wii sold 432,000 – both making up first and second place, respectively. Both Nintendo systems combined account for 47.6 percent of all hardware sold throughout February.

“Our momentum has not let up since the holidays and we expect it to continue throughout the year,” said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales and marketing. “We have the industry's strongest lineup of games for everyone from core to casual gamers.”

Sony took third and fourth spots, but surprisingly it is their oldest current product that is leading the way. The PlayStation 2 sold a surprising 351,800, while the PlayStation 3 sold 280,800. This marks the second month in a row that the PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360.

“Consumers are recognizing the tremendous value of PS3 and we believe that Blu-ray becoming the high-def format of choice was the tipping point for many consumers,” said Jack Tretton, president and CEO, SCEA. “With monster titles like Gran Turismo 5 Prologue and Grand Theft Auto IV launching in April and Metal Gear Solid 4 in June, we're demonstrating this is the year for PS3.”

Microsoft once again finds itself below its competitors, selling 254,600 Xbox 360 consoles. Just as it did for January’s sales figures, Microsoft forewarned of lower-than-expected numbers due to shortages. “We definitely expect we will trail in February as a result of our supply constraints,” Aaron Greenberg, Xbox product manager, said to Reuters. “By April, we will be in a very healthy inventory situation.”

The Sony PSP sat in last with 243,000 units sold, though March sales might see a boost with the release of highly anticipated titles God of War: Chains of Olympus and Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core.



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Inventory
By BioHazardous on 3/14/2008 4:35:07 PM , Rating: 3
Last time I was at Best Buy there was a rather large stack of PS3s and XBOX360s.

I have to say the Blu-Ray player did tip the scales in Sony's favor for me when I decided on a PS3 over an XBOX360.

The only thing I find really lacking is the ability to mute people's voices when playing Call of Duty 4, add people as friends, and their internet browser doesn't seem to work with half the pages out there for media content. I even have problems watching previews on the Sony PS3 page..

I'm not sure why it's still surprising every month that people keep buying the PS2. It's not like that statistic came out of no where.. That has been the ongoing trend for quite some time now.




RE: Inventory
By michal1980 on 3/14/2008 5:03:16 PM , Rating: 1
thats because its cheap, and one of the greatest systems ever. And unlike the xbox1. it wasnt aborted when the ps3 came around.

in fact since I never played Metal gear, on tuesday i'm going to pick up the ps2 metal gear bundle, which has 1,2,3 for like 30-40 bucks.


RE: Inventory
By bill3 on 3/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inventory
By goku on 3/15/2008 9:05:53 AM , Rating: 2
You know what, despite the fact that I hated the Dreamcast (for no good reason no less)when it was released and that I was an early adopter of the PS2, I realize that not only after playing the Dreamcast but after the PS2 became the dominant console that the Dreamcast was the better console. Is anybody surprised as to why the graphics look better on the dreamcast over the PS2? The PS2 has 4MB of video memory while the dream cast has like what, 16MB? What the PS2 had going for it was the DVD.


RE: Inventory
By Alexvrb on 3/15/2008 2:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
The PS2 could push more polys (in the hands of a skilled developer) but even small developers could easily get lots of power out of the Dreamcast. However, polygons aren't everything, and in some games they don't make up for poor quality textures. Most Dreamcast games look good, some look great. Only a few PS2 games looked truly great, unless you count loads of FMVs.

In God of War (since it was mentioned, though its not the only great looking PS2 game) they were able to really push the PS2, and even though the textures weren't as detailed as some DC games, they were very close and they had really good poly counts and spent their textures really wisely. If the PS2 had a better GPU, it would have been able to keep up with the Xbox no problem. Although the CPU still required a steep learning curve... much like the Cell...

Honestly, if Sega had the marketing muscle and developer support Sony did, they would have done even better, DVD or not. That doesn't even count rampant piracy on completely unmodified consoles due to a software exploit. Nor does it count pushing console online gameplay before XBL and PSN made it all the rage. But even so, they actually sold a decent number of console and produced a number of outstanding games. I wish Sega had the free time to convert some more of their old games for download off PSN or XBLA.


RE: Inventory
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 7:33:21 AM , Rating: 2
At least you can admit it. Dreamcast was a fun ride while it lasted though, waiting for the next arcade perfect port...! And yer to me the graphics always looked better. Maybe something to do with it outputting over VGA made it crisper. The texturing was stronger as well versus PS2's many shaded polygons. Wonder what it could have achieved if it had gone toe to toe with PS2 the whole way? Sad thoughts...


RE: Inventory
By Shlong on 3/15/2008 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 3
I loved the Dreamcast, but the PS2 was capable graphically. Just go play God of War and you can see it was more than capable against the other systems of it's generation.


RE: Inventory
By daftrok on 3/15/2008 3:28:34 PM , Rating: 4
If we've learned anything from the PS1 and PS2, its that size isn't everything...just the most important. The PS1 graphically wasn't as great as the N64 but the amount of data that could be held by its disc opened the world to games like Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Ratchet and Clank, etc. Realize that Final Fantasy 7 took 4 CDs...thats nearly 2.4 GBs of data. In other words, thats 40 N64 cartridges.

I believe if Dreamcast was in the times of the PS1 and N64 things would have been different but alas it came out with the PS2 because they came out a year early (a move that changed everything). The PS2 in the beginning had a maximum data storage of 4.7 GB whereas Dreamcast was 1.2GB. On top of that, PS2 played DVDs. And had better sound. And a better controller. And better games. And was able to run games at 60 FPS.

And no console game of that generation holds a candle to Metal Gear Solid 2 (not even God of War 2); if you can show me any game that outclasses it I'll be impressed.


RE: Inventory
By Tanclearas on 3/16/2008 12:39:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The PS2 in the beginning had a maximum data storage of 4.7 GB whereas Dreamcast was 1.2GB.

Very few games required more than 1GB at the time. I'm not going to say "none", but it was rare. You might be able to name four or five titles, but even the DC had well over 100 titles released in its short life span.
quote:
On top of that, PS2 played DVDs.

Without a remote, unless you spent even more to get a DVD remote accessory. You could have purchased a Dreamcast and a separate DVD player for the same price as a PS2 with the DVD remote accessory. How many people actually used their PS2 as their DVD player for more than a year? I'd be surprised if many people used it as their DVD player for more than a few months.
quote:
And had better sound.

Can't really speak to this beyond the fact that my DC sounded great at the time, and I never noticed that my PS2 sounded any better.
quote:
And a better controller.

I couldn't disagree more. The DC controller was comfortable to hold, and when combined with a VMU, it actually enhanced gameplay. The analog triggers were a nice touch too.
quote:
And better games.

That is your opinion, not fact. Once again, in its short lifespan, the Dreamcast was home to some absolutely amazing games of many genres.
quote:
And was able to run games at 60 FPS.

There were some games that ran below 60 FPS on DC, yes, but the frame rate never dropped below a level of playability. Many of the games that didn't stay above 60 FPS were WinCE-based, and it wasn't the hardware that was at fault. WinCE was a mixed blessing. It allowed for rapid development/ports, but it would never allow for full use of the DC hardware.


RE: Inventory
By daftrok on 3/16/2008 8:15:52 PM , Rating: 4
You don't need the remote to play DVDs on the PS2 you're confusing it with the Xbox. Of course in the beginning games don't utilize the space boost (with the exception of Resistance for PS3). In fact, there were a few games for PS2 that were CDs, but it paved the way for games like Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy games, etc.

I said better sound because it had 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound out (and of course was not utilized until a year into development).

And don't tell me that using this controller:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://uplo...

was more comfortable to use than this controller:
http://www.toysnjoys.com/access_ps2/ps2_controller...

Granted the Dreamcast had great games, but none that reached the caliber of Playstation 2. They had amazing exclusive titles that simply wiped the floor on any of the other consoles in its time (hence the reason it sold over 100 million units).

Granted the PS2 is not the most graphically awesome console out there, but it had many other positive aspects that made it the best console of its time. Of course in time the PS1 would not be considered as a primary CD player just like the PS2 would not be considered as a primary DVD player and also the PS3 in time will not be considered as a primary Blu ray player, but these consoles pioneered how far games can go because of their storage and using the power of people's love for movies to give it a push. If the Dreamcast had DVD capabilities it would have been an interesting match between the two companies.


RE: Inventory
By Tanclearas on 3/17/2008 1:58:18 PM , Rating: 2
I did not say it could not play DVD's without the remote. That is simply what you read into the comment. You could play DVD's, but without a remote (unless you count a wired game controller as a remote).

5.1 audio is still not a reality for many people today, let alone eight years ago. A game supporting it is far different from the mass market having a 5.1 setup for videogaming, and is far different from it being used effectively in a game.

The Dreamcast controller was comfortable to use, and I did not find that using the PS2 controller was more comfortable. Neither one was uncomfortable. Once again, you are reading your own interpretations into my comment. However, the Dreamcast controller/VMU implementation was far more innovative than the PS2 controller.

The PS2 eventually had a library of games that matched what the Dreamcast had, and the PS2 eventually had games that surpassed the "caliber" of the games in the Dreamcast library, but it definitely sounds like you didn't bother playing most of the games that were available for the Dreamcast.

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[The PS2] had many other positive aspects that made it the best console of its time.

It was that kind of sheep-minded thinking that killed the Dreamcast. The PS2 won out because people were "waiting for Playstation 2", not because it was better than the Dreamcast. Sony could have called it PS POS edition, and people would have still bought it. Sony could have delivered a machine half as powerful as the Dreamcast, at the price they launched the PS2 at (which was twice the price of the DC), and people would have still bought it. The PS2 had some positive aspects, but not compared to the positive aspects of the Dreamcast. The only positive aspect Sony had going for it that truly mattered was the name "Playstation".


RE: Inventory
By daftrok on 3/17/2008 4:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
Right in part. The name Playstation did divert attention away from Sega. This is because when people think Playstation, people immediately think:
-Final Fantasy
-Gran Turismo
-Metal Gear Solid
-Grand Theft Auto
-Twisted Metal
-Ridge Racer
-Ratchet and Clank
-Warhawk
-Tekken

People think of the brand because of how awesome the games were on it (and its numerous sequels to the awesome games). The Dreamcast was a solid console, but it was plagued by its past failure. Even when they tried to get rid of the Saturn they still pissed off people. Even when they were 1/2 price it still failed.

So call the 100 million people sheep-minded. Just accept the fact that the Dreamcast is gone. You can still play the games and enjoy them but don't be singing that sad song just like those damn Betamax vs VHS fanatics. The past is as it should be: the past.


RE: Inventory
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 7:29:12 AM , Rating: 2
Oh dear daftrok, even you should know better than to slag off the Dreamcast lol This console's games got me really excited like nothing else as it was really pushing the limits and having pure fun. Samba De Amigo with the Maracas, Fishing Rod games, Virtual On OT with Twinsticks, HOTD2, Seaman, Capcom and SNK 2d fighters, DOA 2, Soul Calibre, Ikaruga and Shen Mue to name but a few. All output pretty much at 60fps over vga(unlike some modern consoles even ...cough 360...cough) It was a purists machine which catered to hardcore gamers pretty much forgotten about by the PS2 and its overly generic catalogue and who wanted pure arcade perfect bliss. What other games company would have such a sense of humour to make a game (Segagaga) which poked fun at their own position in the video games industry? The whole dreamcast ride was hilarity, even the excellent accessories and the logo were great fun. Sega you were once great...

I was genuinely really upset when the machine failed and Sega pulled the plug because of the wasted potential more than anything and the fact that developers were so blinkered and didn't care that Sega's emphasis was on gameplay and impressive graphics and Sony's emphasis was on marketing a "super computer" to the ignorant masses with exaggerated specs. There was nothing intrinsically wrong with the Dreamcast, I think people just got burnt a bit too often before by Sega and weren't willing to support them. For those true gamers that loved the Dreamcast, Sony and especially the PS2 will always be an aching wound that refuses to heal. Yer...Just like Kenshin! I'd like to think that Sony are still hurting in karmic terms for what they did to Sega and Liksang :)

Looking back at the PS2 there's only a few titles which graphically show off what it can really do still: FF12, GT4, GOW, Shadow of the Collosus which seems to be the general criteria which most people gave up on the Dreamcast for, shallow gullible whores that they were. PS2 games for a pretty long time after launch looked really muddy and blurry with very dodgy framerates yet nobody seemed to care. Twisted Metal, Ratchet and Clank, Warhawk. What AAA innovative classic franchises wow! Give me a break, what's next, Driver?. I own all consoles from this generation and the last but the dreamcast is still the one which brings a tear to my eye on how it all ended and the magic which it held at the time. ^_^*


RE: Inventory
By mushi799 on 3/16/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inventory
By Malhavoc on 3/16/2008 5:30:54 PM , Rating: 3
That is possibly the stupidest response I have ever heard. Next thing you'll be complaining about is your home phone not playing mp3s.

Tokyo Extreme Racer 2!!!


Subtitle
By Squibby on 3/14/2008 5:02:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft falls behind of console sales race due to supply shortages


In order to fall behind, don't you have to be in a position other than first? I'm not saying it's currently doing the best (it isn't by any means), but 360 is still the leader in overall world-wide sales. I guess "Microsoft slows down in the console sales race due to supply shortages" doesn't have the same effect...




RE: Subtitle
By Alexstarfire on 3/14/2008 5:21:16 PM , Rating: 3
They haven't lead the console sales in months, what are you talking about?


RE: Subtitle
By Squibby on 3/14/2008 5:32:04 PM , Rating: 3
Total consoles sold. Not monthly sales.

The consoles sales race isn't a series of races. It's one, long race.


RE: Subtitle
By walk2k on 3/14/2008 11:07:52 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't lead there either, not by a long shot if you count the still-selling PS2.

But even if you limit to "next" gen consoles, didn't the Wii pass it a couple months ago?

Unless you don't count the Wii as "next gen" hehe. Ok THEN the 360 is still "leading"...


RE: Subtitle
By MonkeyPaw on 3/14/2008 11:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, the sales for all 3 brands is so strong that I don't think any one of the consoles could be considered a loser. Perhaps the Wii is the winner (game selection will determine that), but with +11 million 360s out there and the PS3's increased sale pace, it looks like both "HD consoles" will have very wide acceptance and support. Sure, there are still exclusive titles for each system, but most games are (or will be) available on both platforms. This generation might be as even as it gets, which should mean good things for consumers. Considering that the 360 and PS3 might have a planned life cycle of 10 years, it's good to see both of them selling well.


RE: Subtitle
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 1:19:26 AM , Rating: 1
360 is way ahead of PS3 in worldwide and especially USA sales (where PS3 isn't very popular) though.

Wii is the champ but we know most of the arguments are with PS3 fanboys, so they try to change the subject to Wii whenever PS3 is beaten in sales.


RE: Subtitle
By animedude on 3/16/2008 12:59:08 PM , Rating: 3
PS3 is way ahead of 360 in the rest of the world. 360 is only strong in the US.


RE: Subtitle
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 8:07:55 AM , Rating: 1
360 is way ahead in the US, its not in the rest of the world.

Seen the sales figures for Japan lately have you? 360 regularly sells about 2 units per month there...and frequently less than the GBA does.

The PS3 will win (against the 360) in the end. The Playstation is still a better, more recognised brand than the 360 worldwide. You're starting to see the 360 falter now that the releases are slowing, while the PS3's are gearing up and their HD format lost the war. The PS3 has a considerable PS2-style advantage in that everybody thinks they've seen all the 360 is capable of producing now (mainly detailled graphics which never seem to run at a steady 60fps, not to mention the ongoing reliabilty problem), whereas the PS3 is still improving and has the potential to massively improve. Its starting to turn the considerable tide of negativity back on the 360.

You are free to disagree, but you'd be wrong in that case, plus you do seem rather biased in favour of the 360. I own all three consoles, and I can't see many bright spots for the 360 past Gears 2/Ninja Gaiden (i.e. end of this year). I'm not a GTA fan.

I'm also starting to build up a rather unflattering profile of an American XBox 360 gamer...

-Loves Halo games because, like, they're so original and Halo FTW!! Bought the collectors edition with the "reproduction" master chief helmet and exclusive "making of documentary"
-Probably votes republican. I mean why wouldn't you? Yer... that's right.
-Has crazy loyalty to Microsoft, after all they are a US company operating "On American Soil" and didn't at all shaft their american customers on the Xbox 1 and to a lesser extent on the 360. Not at all.
-Believes that MS made all the 360 features optional expensive add-ons to promote consumer choice.
-Believes that MS offering a 3 year warranty on their console is "really generous and more than they really need to do"
-Believes Xbox Live is really good value and Microsoft is justified in charging subscription for online play.
-Usually male 13-29 years old
-Probably owns a gun
-Probably pro-war, wherever and for whatever reason that war might be happening.
-Somewhat paranoid in their own sense of masculinity and confuses this with console fanboiism.
-Likes playing violent games. If you don't you're a fag. lol
-If its not online multiplayer with voice chat over Xbox Live, what's the point?
-Responds violently when questioned.

If you know someone who fits all of the above, they probably own an Xbox 360 and live in the US. I joke, I joke...and I do also own a 360, but since I'm from the UK I don't fit with the above, being diametrically opposite opn most points.


RE: Subtitle
By deeznuts on 3/14/2008 6:08:48 PM , Rating: 2
You know there are measures other than LTD right?

Monthly, quarterly,annually, holiday, ltd etc.


Inevitable
By artemicion on 3/14/2008 4:34:44 PM , Rating: 4
Before the inevitable debate begins and people start vehemently defending the console they <3 the most, I ask, who cares? Do you <3 PS3 so much that your life mission is to make sure everybody else on the internet does to? Does your love affair for the master chief cause you to burn with rage every time your beloved is slighted? Do you swear fealty to Mario to the extent that anybody who doesn't bow down to him will get smote by a flying wii-mote?

I've never seen passion as great as that which is invoked when someone posts "I like <insert console name> because <graphics, games, wii-mote, etc.>", or "I dislike <insert console name> because <lack of graphics, games, wii-mote, etc.>".

I for one don't give a **** what you like or dislike. Unless it was Cloverfield. Because that movie sucked-***.




RE: Inevitable
By FITCamaro on 3/14/2008 4:40:34 PM , Rating: 5
I liked Cloverfield....but I can understand why some didn't.


RE: Inevitable
By hathost on 3/14/2008 5:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
I had motion sickness watching cloverfield. =(


RE: Inevitable
By kyp275 on 3/14/2008 5:24:22 PM , Rating: 1
Heh, I know how you feel... never before have I spent so much time looking AWAY from the screen in a movie.

The worst part is, I didn't really miss out on anything either, as it's basically the same thing after the first 20 minutes.

*starts to feel sick again as he recalls the trauma caused by cloverfield....the shaking... please stop.... NUOOOOOOOO*


RE: Inevitable
By JSK on 3/14/2008 5:32:47 PM , Rating: 3
http://www.gameriot.com/blogs/A-Gamer-Craves-Not-T...

A good read on fanboys and why they exist. Basically it argues that could everyone afford all systems there would be much less of this attitude that seems to consume the console fans.


RE: Inevitable
By mooncancook on 3/14/2008 6:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
I especially love how fanboys react when their system lost an exclusive right and the title becomes available to the other systems. The world is less dramatic without them.


RE: Inevitable
By Aaron M on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inevitable
By artemicion on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inevitable
By slunkius on 3/15/08, Rating: 0
RE: Inevitable
By artemicion on 3/15/2008 11:13:18 AM , Rating: 2
My post appears at the top.
Posted on 3/14/2008 4:34:44 PM

A post titled "South Park" is posted BELOW mine.
Posted on 3/14/2008 4:27:42 PM (that's before mine was posted - in case you need clarity)

A post titled "hmmmmm" is posted LAST (other than that post's replies) after all other series of posts
Posted on 3/14/2008 4:26:49 PM (that post is actually the FIRST post on this discussion. Yet it appears at the bottom - hmmmmmmmm?)

Hey! I did a little work and it turns out it was true! Yay!

For further clarification, posts that start a brand new topic (thus would appear at the far left margin - not a reply to an existing topic) are ordered by some algorithm that is NOT exclusively factored by time posted. Like I said, it somehow involves rating and number of replies. I think the same ordering principle applies for posts replying to the same post.


RE: Inevitable
By crazyblackman on 3/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inevitable
By bill3 on 3/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Inevitable
By mellondust on 3/15/2008 11:29:07 AM , Rating: 1
That's one of the funniest opening post I have read in a while. Ha, Ha, Ha! I agree!!! I wish you could rate past a 5.


Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By Metroid on 3/14/2008 5:22:32 PM , Rating: 2
He must be very happy, remember he was the PS3 creator.

Rick.




RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By bill3 on 3/15/08, Rating: -1
RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By Chaser on 3/16/2008 2:21:58 PM , Rating: 2
First of all Yam didn't say "smashing" or "huge" success in the article like you added.

The 360 has been out for a year longer compared against the PS3. The 360 only has an edge in the U.S., worldwide PS3 sales are "hugely" in it's favor. Lastly with the fall of HD DVD the PS3 is the only console with a high def high capacity removeable medium for a very reasonable price.

The article is significant and if you read anything to it at all the PS3 poised to do quite well this year especially over the '08 holiday season.


RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By bgm063 on 3/17/2008 1:15:09 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with ya on this.

2008 is going to be an interesting year for the console industry. I'm curious to see if Sony can make the turn around... especially here in the US. While I'm a proud PS3 owner, I'm not getting too caught up in this "mine is better than yours" crap, but I do like how the competitiveness could turn out to be.

Sony is still working on HOME. MS has some potential to shake things up... I love it personally...

And another thing... it sure as heck isn't easy being the writer of this article. You give Sony a little bit of some props, and all of a sudden, you're the devil. If it's another "360 outsells PS3" article, then every positive is posted on the 360 and every negative is posted on the PS3.

Talk about a tough crowd...


RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By TerranMagistrate on 3/17/2008 12:36:54 PM , Rating: 1
It helps for you to come to terms with the reality that the PS3 is outselling the 360 in all regions by considerable margins to the point where the PS3 will exceed the 360 total installed base within a year or less.


RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By sweetsauce on 3/17/2008 2:52:11 PM , Rating: 2
You actually made me laugh out loud.


RE: Where is Ken Kutaragi?
By TerranMagistrate on 3/17/2008 7:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
Laugh it up, reality is too much for some it seems.


They want a game console not a B.R. player
By crystal clear on 3/16/2008 4:28:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
“Consumers are recognizing the tremendous value of PS3 and we believe that Blu-ray becoming the high-def format of choice was the tipping point for many consumers,”


If it was true then WHY year after year...

but surprisingly it is their oldest current product that is leading the way. The PlayStation 2 sold a surprising 351,800, while the PlayStation 3 sold 280,800.

I think Sony should do some research

why PS2 outsells the PS3 ?

PS2 has NO Blu-ray !

The tipping point for many consumers is the price




RE: They want a game console not a B.R. player
By Chaser on 3/16/2008 2:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
The "tipping point" is value.

Using a much higher capacity media compared to conventional DVD gives developers (and movie studios) more room for content, superior audio implementations and other extras they may wish to include on the disc.

One would think posters on a "tech" oriented site would agree that more is better except of course when it comes to unbiased views of the PS3.


RE: They want a game console not a B.R. player
By sweetsauce on 3/17/2008 12:12:23 AM , Rating: 2
"More" will be a better "value" when everyone can afford to buy a ps3. Right now blu-ray is an expensive unnecessary media that has done nothing but hold the ps3's sales back.


RE: They want a game console not a B.R. player
By bgm063 on 3/17/2008 2:40:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
blu-ray is an expensive unnecessary media


I couldn't disagree with you more. If you take out Sony and the movie studios, I would say there's definitely a place for media that holds more than 4.7 GB. Think about backing up programs, music, videos, and pictures. The ability to save 50GB of data to a disc when it's common to have hard drives greater than 80GB doesn't sound so bad to me.

Sony did take a chance by including Blu-ray within the PS3, but hey... they believed in Blu-ray that much to include it and it paid off. That's no different from MS saying "we need to get our product out ASAP because no other console is available to compete with us". Bottom line here: Both squads have done something to hold them back a little, but none of it was pointless.

And while we've seen a $399 360 and a $399 PS3, i think the price issue is getting a bit old here.


By sweetsauce on 3/17/2008 2:43:19 PM , Rating: 2
Spin it however you want, the fact that the ps3 cost so much at launch is what made the 360 a success. $600 for gaming hardware is way too high, and consumers proved it by choosing to purchase the wii/60 instead.


By crystal clear on 3/17/2008 3:42:37 AM , Rating: 1
Neither you or anybody else can give an answer on-

why PS2 outsells the PS3 ?

This applies to mainstream buyers the source of 90% of the revenues for any company.

Your version of the tipping point doesnt match with the mainstream buyers.

Their tipping point would be price & availability of a huge game library for the PS2.

As for the unbiased views-

I own a PS3 & use it for non gaming purposes....more for experimental purposes in my free time,like loading on a Linux O.S.to exploit the processing potentials of its CPU
& the graphics etc.


Microsoft is dropping the ball, good or bad thing?
By goku on 3/15/2008 9:02:09 AM , Rating: 1
Windows Vista, Windows Home Server, and their XBOX 360, wth is wrong with them? I'm going to skip over the OS' and go straight to the XBOX360 as that's what this article is about.. Anyhow how can microsoft, who entered the race first (this gen) created such a blunder for themselves? They've had since 2005 to make a reliable console and take over but instead they've seriously screwed up. 1/3 of the original XBOX360s are completely worthless, and they're still having overheating issues. They had Halo 3 and XBOX live which is SUPPOSE to be better for online multiplayer games.

Is anybody really surprised that microsoft is in last place? Also, doesn't anybody find the idea of having the HDD being placed externally of the system to be stupid?




By 3v1lkr0w on 3/17/2008 8:05:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Is anybody really surprised that microsoft is in last place?


Microsoft isnt in last place. Currently the PS3 is in last place with the 360 in 2nd and the Revolution (i know its not called that, but I WILL NOT call it by the name they chose over the code name) is in first.
Outside the US, the PS3 usually outsells the 360 in most countries, but that still isnt enough to be #2 yet.
I have all 3 systems, I play my Nintendo least, my PS3 is usually for movies until MGS4 and FF XIII comes out, and I use my 360 the most for games (mostly Rock Band and Guitar Hero 3 cause I LOVE ROCK BAND AND GUITAR HERO 3).


By Elementalism on 3/17/2008 9:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
Last place for what? In hardware sales? Not really. In software sales? The 360 is raping the PS3.


By sweetsauce on 3/17/2008 3:05:37 PM , Rating: 2
Duh the 360 is in last place in the hearts of ps3 fanboys worldwide.


By Aaron M on 3/14/2008 7:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
Unlike the Wii, anyone determined to get any flavor of X360 can find one at retail price. In fact, there are plenty available on Amazon, as I type this. The number of X360s sold last month is not bad, at all, considering it's February. The PS3 has just been selling better than it has for most of last year, while the X360 is becoming stagnant for whatever reason(people waiting for price drops, people wary of RRODs, etc.). I don't see this as much more than Microsoft posturing like Sony did last year, when Sony claimed shortages, while PS3s were widely available. If Blu-ray didn't win and more games weren't being made for the PS3, then things might look different. However, things are what they are, and Sony has been on a hot streak, while there has not been as much positive news about the X360, lately.




By Domicinator on 3/14/2008 8:14:11 PM , Rating: 2
It seems to be like a see-saw lately. At GDC, it was all Microsoft. They announced the new Arcade stuff as well as Fable 2, Gears 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, etc. Then BluRay was the big story, so it was all about Sony.

I don't know why it's such a big story. The Xbox 360 continues to sell well when you consider that it's a year older than the PS3. The PS3 was bound to have a spike in sales at some point, and this is that spike. Most industry analysts predict that the 360 will still be ahead in overall sales after the 2008 holiday rush. Microsoft predicted that they would have low numbers in February, and they were right. The only way to really predict that is if you're not keeping up with demand. It's not like the guys at MS sit around and say, "Well, despite strong sales up until now, I think the 360 is going to suddenly bomb in February." It's more likely that they just predicted the shortage correctly. I live in Chicago. I bought my 360 in January. I could only find one store in my vicinity that had a Pro, and they only had three when I called. When I got there they had two. So I believe the shortage stories.

I also think that the whole industry overestimates how much people actually want BluRay. It's a cool format and everything, but there isn't a huge percentage of the population out there that actually needs a BluRay player right now. The PS3 is just a good way to make sure you have one if you get an HDTV, which a majority of the country also doesn't have at this point.


By tubalcain on 3/14/2008 10:59:27 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, I got one in the second week of January and I went to Best Buy, Gamestop, Toysrus and they were sold out of Pro systems. I went to another Gamestop and they had 3 on hand. The funny thing was that when I went to Best Buy the guy told me that 360s were selling like hotcakes and where have I been? I said I thought the Wii was doing that already.Sony will do ok, just not as good as PS2. The 360 is doing to the PS3 what the PS2 did to XBOX 1. It got there first, has larger library,easy to develop for and has a larger installed base.Devolopers took notice and hence it shows. MS drove the point that their system is a "Game Console" and seems to be working. Overall, I like all the systems as I am not loyal to anyone brand as they don't pay my bills.


South Park
By bplewis24 on 3/14/2008 4:27:42 PM , Rating: 3
As long as Kyle doesn't break Cartman's Xbox360, all is alright in the world.

Brandon




RE: South Park
By FITCamaro on 3/14/2008 4:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO. That was a great episode. A great way to begin the season.


RE: South Park
By OxBow on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
Shortage ?
By scorpio1980 on 3/14/2008 4:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
Does MS have a shortage because of their hardware problems ? (where they ship new consoles to customers that sent in their RROD systems)

I see 360 systems everywhere I go (Chicago), so whats the problem ? Are they still producing the system with the old core, or new core ? No one knows....

Whatever the case, I own one and i plan to pick up a PS# now that the format war is done and the fact that MSG4 is due soon. This will be the year for PS3, but I still think the 360 will bring out some quality games as usual




RE: Shortage ?
By scorpio1980 on 3/14/2008 4:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
oops, i meant ps3. forgot to hold shift. Damn work laptop ! thanks to dailytech, my productivity is in the toilet ! only in the USA !


PS3 BD failure
By omnicronx on 3/15/2008 4:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
How many people have had the BD drive in their ps3 completely stop working? Mine died today, and i just want to know if this is a widespread problem. Everything else still works, just no discs including DVD's read, and there is not even a 'disc read error message'.




RE: PS3 BD failure
By 3v1lkr0w on 3/17/2008 7:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
I bought one of the first batches of PS3. I didnt get it on launch date, but i did get it within a month or two, maybe 3...i dont remember the exact date, but it was near the start of the launch. My BD drive still works great. I watch my Blu movies on my PS3 all the time. Also, i havent heard about the BD drives dying either. So I am unaware of it being a widespread problem.


waiting game
By Trugentleman02 on 3/14/2008 5:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
I would also speculate that a lot of people are waiting to see if microsoft releases a 360 with an internal blu ray drive along side the smaller processor with HDMI input. I already own an original 360 but would upgrade if they did.




RE: waiting game
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 1:04:54 AM , Rating: 1
They probably will never do that.

Microsoft understands people buy games machines to play games, not to subsidize proprietary movie formats so the large parent company can profit at the expense of the consumer.


Fratboys?
By Flunk on 3/14/2008 8:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe the drunken fratboy market is already totally saturated?




RE: Fratboys?
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 1:30:57 AM , Rating: 1
Nope, PS3 is selling better.


Haha
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 12:18:47 AM , Rating: 1
It's funny how when 360 always used to beat PS3, (it did so 14 months in a row) Yam would always title these articles "Wii triumphs in NPD" or something like that.

Once PS3 started topping 360, only then did it become PS3 versus 360 only apparently.

Next month when 360 is back in the lead he'll either ignore it, or be back to headlining about Wii or DS.

BTW, currently 360 is 5.8 million units ahead in USA. Sony has gained 39k units last month and 26k units this month. So a total of 65,000 units in two months. If that rate continues, PS3 will be in the lead by 2057 or so I think.

Look at it this way, PS3 has to win by 200k a month for 29 consecutive months to cut a 5.8 million lead down to zero. (Current install base 360=9.6m, PS3=3.8m) That would be July 2010. As you can see, PS3 is not winning by anywhere near 200k units per month though. So you can extend that timeline by a factor of ten at current rates.

Anyways, 360 shortages should be over and it should be back in the lead next month. What I am wondering is if MS will bring the 360 Europe price cuts over here or not soon. If they do, things just got a lot worse for PS3.




RE: Haha
By Shlong on 3/15/2008 11:12:19 AM , Rating: 2
360 has that huge lead because of the early launch. If you compare sales from launch over the same length of time, the sales numbers are very similar.


...
By Sora on 3/17/2008 4:30:59 AM , Rating: 2
25,000 units? That not as bad as it seems to be. Ill be getting a PS3 sometime this year but Sony's console would have to do some serious outselling of the 360 to catch it anytime soon.




Software Sales
By Elementalism on 3/17/2008 9:34:53 AM , Rating: 2
People keep talking about the PS3 beating the 360 by ~30,000 units. But again this month the 360 beat the PS3 5:1 in software sales in the top 10. In the top 10 the 360 sold nearly 1 million more units than the PS3. Software is where the money is made with these units.

So far in the first two months of this year the 360 has outsold the PS3 about 1.8 million units to 400K for games residing in the top 10.




Yes, but the real story is...
By Hawkido on 3/17/2008 12:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
PS3 sales are up, but have they crossed the most important metric:

Have PS3 sales exceeded the number of Xbox 360's returned for RRoD?

Once the number of PS3's sold exceeds the number of 360's that have been returned then that is a real metric.




It is inevitable
By bsd230 on 3/15/2008 12:27:03 PM , Rating: 1
With the exception of the WII, I have owned just about every console out there. What is happening now is similar to what happened with the original Xbox and PS2. When the Xbox first launched people still preferred the PS2 because of the games, then xbox got games and people went that way for the performance. I think it will go that way with the PS3. I sold my ps2 to get a xbox early on because I saw the potential. I now own a 360 elite and a PS3 and would have to say the PS3 is superior in build, power, and features. Although not as many online features, the only one I care about is playing games and it's been pretty good for that, not to mention it's free as it should be. It's only of matter of time until like the original xbox that the PS3 gets the titles and takes over. I wanted the 360 to be better but after being on my 3rd one in 2 years and most of my friends are on at least their 2nd if not more, I realized it is a poorly designed piece of hardware. My PS3 has more power and is whisper quiet with virtually no heat, my 360 could heat a small room and sounds like small airplane is trying to take off.




hmmmm
By ttnuagadam on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: hmmmm
By ninjit on 3/14/2008 5:09:30 PM , Rating: 4
Could also be that with BlueRay winning the current HD format war, people are starting to put more weight on the value of the PS3 as a movie player.
If I was in the market for a BD player, the PS3 would be my first choice, regardless of whether I wanted to play games or not, since it can do so much more as well (music/pictures/browser, etc.)

I've always loved the MGS series, but I don't think it quite carries the same level of fanaticism the Halo franchise has, so I'm not sure how much it's release will affect hardware sales (they'll certainly go up, but by how much?)


RE: hmmmm
By Alexstarfire on 3/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: hmmmm
By electriple9 on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: hmmmm
By winterspan on 3/15/2008 3:14:24 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know why I'm even responding to this crap anymore since the format war is done and over with... I guess it just bothers me when I hear BS being thrown about.

quote:
" Other than higher storage capacity it fails to beat HD-DVD in every other category. "


As far as AV feature set, Blu-ray and HD-DVD were nearly the same, with Blu-ray having advantages some places and HD-DVD advantages in other places. HD-DVD definitely had a more mature software platform for movie menu's and gimmicky features such as picture-in-picture, downloadable content, etc. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not disparaging these type of "interactive" features because I'm a BD fanboy.... and I believe some fraction of users may find them compelling and useful.

It's just that when discussing a dedicated movie player, I would consider the most important aspect to be the picture and sound quality, and I assume most people would agree.

Blu-ray disc players support a much higher total bandwidth of 48mbps vs 30mbps for HD-DVD. When you combine this with the larger storage capacity of Blu-ray, the consequence is that Blu-ray players support a much greater total audio+video bit-rate (60% > HD-DVD), which, all other things the same, leads to a higher quality picture and sound.

This technical superiority is due to Blu-ray players using higher quality components and custom ASICs, whereas HD-DVD players opted for cheaper, more generic parts. One example would be HD-DVD's choice of using an obsolete Intel Pentium 4 Celeron processor to drive the system.

Now that the war is over, I look forward to the continuing improvement of Blu-ray encode quality and availability of releases. Now to take over DVD....


RE: hmmmm
By Alexstarfire on 3/15/2008 7:38:34 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, Blu-Ray can have uncompressed PCM audio, I'm totally thrilled. What a waste of space.


RE: hmmmm
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 1:35:49 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
If I was in the market for a BD player, the PS3 would be my first choice,


Of course it would, Sony wont let stand alone players fall much below the price of a PS3 for a reason, you know.

Now that they have no competition, the consumer is at Sony's greedy mercy. They can take all the time they want and $400 blu ray stand alones dont look to be going down in price anytime soon. Actually Blu Ray prices have been rising since HDDVD died, I just read that Philips increased the MSRP of one of their blu ray players from 349 to 399 today. That's all directed by Sony.


360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By BZDTemp on 3/14/08, Rating: -1
RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By Nick5324 on 3/14/2008 4:56:32 PM , Rating: 3
For the past couple of months, I noticed stores were almost always out of the elite and only had a few pro systems. However, over the last week I noticed that stores seems to have plenty of stock again, and the pro systems no longer come with the 2 games packed in. I don't know about a shortage, but it seems like they let the stores burn through the "holiday bundles" and now are restocking the stores with the regular pro system.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By TheDiceman on 3/14/2008 5:02:17 PM , Rating: 5
I suppose it must depend where you live. Around me you cannot find a 360 Pro to save your life, but Elites are readily available.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By Gravemind123 on 3/16/2008 12:30:16 AM , Rating: 2
Definitely, my friend who was buying one was able to choose between one of each, but the sales guy at Gamestop said that they only had a couple left of each. I suppose it depends on how much people who live near you have to spend on games on average, and how many have enough to spend that they already bought a 360/PS3.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By Squibby on 3/14/2008 5:06:48 PM , Rating: 2
When? Remember, these numbers aren't what sold yesterday or the day before. They're of the past month. Recently, I've seen plenty of 360s, but in January and February, I couldn't find an Elite or Pro anywhere I looked. If March is also bad for 360, then it'll mean something. For now, there's nothing here but fanboy fooder.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By deeznuts on 3/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By walk2k on 3/14/08, Rating: 0
RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By bill3 on 3/15/2008 1:09:16 AM , Rating: 4
Hey dumbarse, it's March.

If you'd been paying attention you'd know the shortages apparently ended at the end of February.

I cant figure out why MS said they would proceed through March either, but there are no shortages in March (at least so far). 360 has no excuse if it loses March NPD. Then again it probably wont.

BTW, funny NOW PS3 fanboys figured out how to use Amazon, LOL. Back in February when they all denied 360 shortages existed, they seemed completely incapable of noticing 360 was totally out of stock there.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By Timeless on 3/15/2008 2:00:40 PM , Rating: 2
You know bill3, you reek of Xbox360 fanboy. Sony did something to you?


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By omnicronx on 3/15/2008 4:22:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Back in February when they all denied 360 shortages existed, they seemed completely incapable of noticing 360 was totally out of stock there.
Who cares if he is a fanboy he is still right, amazon had no stock. Which essentially proves that there were shortages. Case Closed..


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By Timeless on 3/16/2008 12:03:19 AM , Rating: 2
I never said anything about him being wrong. Reread my post. I was just asking him why he has a grudge against Sony or something.


RE: 360 shortage - YEAH RIGHT!
By vitul on 3/17/2008 9:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
U sure about that? when that argument happened it was infact in stock at amazon. maybe for 1 day it was out of stock.

or you could have gone to your local retailler and taken one off the filled paleetes on the aisle at your local bestbuy. or one of the 10 at your local circuit city.


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