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Tokyo Game Show 2008 Yakuza 3 Booth

Yakuza 3 sells 372,201 copies and the PlayStation 3 sells 36,513 units for the week ending March 1

Yakuza 3 (Ryu ga gotoku 3) has powered the PlayStation 3 to number one in Japanese hardware sales for the week of February 23 through March 1. The game debuted in first place with 372,301 copies sold, second only to Metal Gear Solid 4 which sold 465,000 in its debut week.

The PlayStation 3 sold 36,513 units topping even the Nintendo DSi which sold 35,827 units. The PlayStation Portable was third with 35,588 units sold. The PlayStation portable enjoyed software success as well selling 219,139 copies of Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce; second only to Yakuza 3 in sales for that week.

The Yakuza series is an action adventure game with a story that revolves around Kazuma Kiryu, a former Yakuza, whose release from prison after a ten-year murder sentence set up the game's plot. After his release, Kiryu returns to find his friend missing and his former gang the Toujokai Clan, has had ten billion yen ($100 million USD) stolen from them. The game series is known for exploring Yakuza culture in detail.

This installment takes place in Okinawa and the red-light district of Kamuro-cho. Kiryu has given up his gangster ways and retired to Okinawa where he has started an orphanage. His struggles to keep the orphanage running against politics and local underground organizations lead to him to encounter his previous gang the Toujoukai clan and he returns to Kamuro-cho to uncover the truth.

Kamuro-cho is a recreation of Shinjuku's red-light district Kabuki-cho which is famous for its organized crime presence. Although the area was recreated as a fictionalized "Kamuro-cho district", much of Kabuki-cho's landmarks are recreated in the games. The resemblance is uncanny when comparing the real life entrance to Kabuki-cho and the entrance to Kamuro-cho shown on the Yakuza 3 website.

Gamespot provides a breakdown of the Yakuza 3 presentation shown at last year’s Tokyo Game Show 2008. The summary provides a good idea of what the game is like. Thanks to PlayStation 3 graphics, Kamuro-cho looks almost identical to Kabuki-cho. According to the Gamespot article, Sega has collaborated with more than 20 different companies to make the stores and environment feel as real as possible. The developers worked to make sure Okinawa has a distinct feel as it is an island chain far away from the Japanese mainland.

Yakuza 3 is filled with mini-games -- Kiryu can sing karaoke, play billiards, darts, bowling, blackjack, roulette, and even golf. The game incorporates a hostess club system that allows you to scout new hostesses and customize their looks. Sega collaborated with the Japanese hostess magazine Koakuma Ageha to take facial renderings and voice recordings of their top models.

The merchandising for Yakuza 3 has been extensive. As an adult-themed game, Yakuza 3 alcohol, has been released. Seifuku Distillery has created Ryu Ga Gotoku alcohol. It comes in two types: Japanese sake with plums and Okinawa's strong island sake awamori.

According to Gamasutra, a bottle of the Ryu Ga Gotoku awamori is priced at 1,100Yen (11.40USD), while the plum sake is priced at 1,600Yen (16.50USD). Both are available in Okinawa from February 26 and in the rest of Japan from March 2.

In addition to alcohol, there will be Yakuza 3 instant noodles released as well. On March 2, Ryu Ga Gotoku 3 cup ramen will go on sale in Japan from food maker Ace Cook. It will be Kyushu tonkotsu ("pork bone") flavored ramen. The ramen references a fictional in-game ramen restaurant called "Kyushu First Star." It will cost 231Yen ($2.56USD).

Despite its Japanese success, there is currently no word the game will be released in the United States. In January of this year, PS3Center.net asked Sega directly on the possibility of localized versions and was told, "We currently don't know what the future of the Yakuza franchise is for North America".

The rep they talked to did say that he hoped the games would continue to be released in the United States. With the recent momentum Sony is enjoying outside of Japan, this game may have what it takes to keep the momentum going if it were to be released in the west.

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I'll say it again

By BPB on 3/9/09, Rating: 0

RE: I'll say it again

By dflynchimp on 3/9/2009 10:01:12 AM , Rating: 4

because once someone spends money on a piece of hardware, they feel obligated to defend it, because in some abstract way an insult on the hardware will take an inch off of their manhood...

I speek from experience. Been there, done that, grew out of it. You can list the reasons that you LIKE your own purchase, but unless a person shares the same reasons and opinion as you they could very well have a whole new take on what moves their mojo.

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RE: I'll say it again

By Bender 123 on 3/9/2009 10:26:47 AM , Rating: 5

I actually like the PS3, but it is a giant (but powerful) joke, at this point. The reason why its fun to poke is pure schadenfreude.

Sony has been so consistent with their arrogance regarding the tech, price and sales that it makes them an easy target. Being the undisputed leader in the last two generations makes it even easier to target.

Nintendo was the same ten years ago and it took a complete rework of their leadership to straighten the ship again.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 11:07:12 AM , Rating: 3

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Sony has been so consistent with their arrogance regarding the tech, price and sales that it makes them an easy target. Being the undisputed leader in the last two generations makes it even easier to target.

Bingo, the PS3 is a great console, but this time around it was pretty evident that Sony guessed what the market wanted and fell short. Going from outselling the next closest competitor by at least 2x the past two consoles to last place in sales has to be considered a failure compared to their past results.

The one good thing Sony has going for it is technology wise, the PS3 should outlast all other consoles. Things are starting to ramp up and I am actually finding myself buying PS3 games over 360 games. (I feel like a child but Little Big Planet is god damn addictive)

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 11:51:44 AM , Rating: 2

The only thing holding me back from buying a PS3 is price, I could buy 8+ Xbox 360 games for the price of a PS3, however one of my major reasons for going the way of the PS3 was to enjoy the next Installment of Final Fantasy which is now cross-platform.

When the PS3's price drops another few hundred bucks I'll jump on it, The price is simply insane for most people, the Average joe here would almost need to get out a small personal loan to buy one!

$650 or more just for the console compared to the Xbox Arcade for $298, and no you don't HAVE to buy every accessory under the sun either to enjoy Xbox Live! multi-player gaming either, it works out of the box for that. (Some people don't seem to realize that fact).

The only thing that I wish Microsoft continued was them selling the refurbished $20 Hard Disk Drives, and releasing a Netflix styled service in Australia.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 12:20:33 PM , Rating: 2

$400 for the PS3. $200 for Xbox Arcade. Course you're in Australia, so different pricing.

Ya, Netflix and downloadable movies are non-existant for those not living in the US. I have a Japanese 360 and US 360. Annoying for the US servicemen who are overseas.

After the NXE update, I'm finding the stupid 20 gig hard drive to be lacking. Hell, I found it lacking the day I bought my first 360.

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RE: I'll say it again

By BPB on 3/9/2009 12:58:06 PM , Rating: 1

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by StevoLincolnite on March 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM

When the PS3's price drops another few hundred bucks I'll jump on it, The price is simply insane for most people, the Average joe here would almost need to get out a small personal loan to buy one!

So what you're saying is, when the PS3 drops to $99 you'll buy it? Well who the hell wouldn't!?

Even dropping a couple of hundred would be nuts. $199 for all that the PS3 has to offer? $399 minus a few hundred dollars is $99! THAT would be insane.

Geez, how many 360 users buy the $99 wireless adapter? That puts the 360 at or above the PS3 depending on which model you buy. The PS3 comes with wireless, so there's no need. I myself use the gigabit built into the PS3. Again, I have the 360 and love it too, but to claim the PS3 is ridiculously priced is what's insane.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 1:17:46 PM , Rating: 1

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Again, I have the 360 and love it too, but to claim the PS3 is ridiculously priced is what's insane.

It is ridiculously overpriced.. Over two years into its lifecycle and the cheapest model is 400 dollars. If that's not overpriced, I don't know what is.

If it was not for the BD drive, I would have never bought one in the first place, and I am sorry but BD playback does not add $100-150 (if you subtract the HD and wireless capabilities) to the pricetag, using expensive components that are not going to considerably fall in price anytime soon does..

I am really starting to like my PS3 and it will soon replace all my consoles (yes I have all 3) as my main entertainment device, but to say its not overpriced is laughable at best.

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RE: I'll say it again

By BPB on 3/9/2009 1:45:37 PM , Rating: 1

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by omnicronx on March 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM

It is ridiculously overpriced.. Over two years into its lifecycle and the cheapest model is 400 dollars. If that's not overpriced, I don't know what is.

If it was not for the BD drive, I would have never bought one in the first place, and I am sorry but BD playback does not add $100-150 (if you subtract the HD and wireless capabilities) to the pricetag , using expensive components that are not going to considerably fall in price anytime soon does..

I am really starting to like my PS3 and it will soon replace all my consoles (yes I have all 3) as my main entertainment device, but to say its not overpriced is laughable at best.

MS get $99 for the wireless adapter ALONE for the 360, and you're saying the wireless AND BD combined are not worth $100 to $150 for the PS3? Come on, what world do you live in?

If the PS3 didn't include wireless and BD then I'd say it is way overpriced, but it DOES include wireless and BD. If MS comes out with a BD add-on for the 360 you can bet it'll cost between $150 and $250.

So maybe Sony should come out with a version that has no wireless (I believe they need the BD as many games ship on BD discs), if they dropped the price to $299 would people still say it's nuts? Remember too, the PS3 is an open platform, you can change hard drives with no penalty! You can load Linux. You can do lots of things, and Sony, unlike MS won't shoot you for doing it. To me, that also adds to the price.

But again, I like my PS3, and I like my 360. I think my 360 Elite was priced high when compared to my PS3, but hey, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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RE: I'll say it again

By Bender 123 on 3/9/2009 2:01:37 PM , Rating: 3

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MS get $99 for the wireless adapter ALONE for the 360, and you're saying the wireless AND BD combined are not worth $100 to $150 for the PS3?

Anybody worth their geek cred knows a cable pull is the best option. $8 in cable from monoprice and some $3 drywall patch...

Or if you HAVE to be wireless, try a DD-WRT flash on a Lynksys router (if you are reading this site, like Token's Bass, you know you have one in a closet...). $20-$30 online if you dont.

As for BD, I also think it is overpriced. I will adopt it when the movies are priced on par with DVDs. $30 for movie that retails at $12 is just too much of a difference. DVD is "good enough" when it is half the price per movie.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 2:29:31 PM , Rating: 3

Ya, I go wired on my PS3 and on my 360. I had a Wii for about 2 weeks. I was pissed that it wasn't wired. Then I just sent it home to my sister. She has kids.

Also why buy brand new movies? Go to blockbuster and buy old rental movies and get it for like 1/3rd to 1/2 the price. Can usually get a brand new release for way cheaper by waiting a month.

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RE: I'll say it again

By Builder on 3/9/2009 2:31:11 PM , Rating: 2

Ah, here's the rub: Sony doesn't price things for DAILYTECH readers. They price them for moms and pops who struggled to program a VCR. MS does the same. If all the folks are saying they think the PS3 is priced high for them, I suppose they may have a case. But to say it for the general public, is, I think, presumptuous. The average Joe sees $299 for a decent 60GB version of the 360. Now, being the average Joe, he probably has everything connected in his home via wireless G as Joe isn't running no CAT6 or CAT5e. So, he's at Walmart and he has to add about $90 for that. Then he sees there's a $399 version of the 360, AND there's the $399 PS3. So, for about $400 he can get the PS3 and be all set, he can get the 60GB 360 and the wireless adapter, or just the 120GB 360. Looking at it from this perspective, the PS3 is not so bad. If he gets the PS3 he can also upgrade his Netflix to include BD discs. Unless he wants a 360 exclusive, he may very well find the PS3 a decent deal.

As he's deciding what to do Junior says something like he wants Xbox Live Gold for another $40 or $50, A YEAR . The saleman tells Joe the Sony equivalent is free on the PS3. Of course he's Joe, he doesn't know that Xbox Live is better than what Sony offers, but what Sony offers is free, and that matters to Joe.

Now you can say he can watch Netflix on his 360, but the titles are very limited, and rumors are that not too long from now you'll be able to do it on the PS3 via the browser as Netflix is reportedly going to make watching via a browser viable for the PS3. Even if that doesn't happen, upgrading his Netflix account to BD may make him happier anyway.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:31:28 PM , Rating: 2

I am sorry, but I really think you are kidding yourself here. Every single word of what you said makes sense in theory, but in practice it just never plays out in the way you have presented it. I personally thought of all of those variables when I bought each of my consoles, but I very much doubt these are the things that goes through the 'average joe's mind'.

People love getting a deal, period. Generally they will not think of the consequences, or how much money it will take to buy each component separately. You are kidding yourself if you think the average joe prices out all the differences in components when purchasing a console. If they did everyone would be buying a PS3.. The evidence (i.e Sales) paint a different picture from what you are saying.

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RE: I'll say it again

By 9nails on 3/9/2009 8:08:14 PM , Rating: 3

I *might* weigh the person's opinions above this post in the wired vs. wireless factor if I was in an apartment and couldn't run CAT 5. But I'm not, and I ran CAT5 to my Xbox 360 because it had games when the PS3 didn't have any titles I was interested in.

My kid could have straight A's on their report card, and they're still not getting a $399 console system just for them alone. Things priced that high go into family domain. Price is the first concern, and if the '360 has more games as good graphics and a lower price, there isn't much left to make my decision between the two.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 10:01:19 PM , Rating: 2

Average joe is gonna look at the console and of course look at other stuff to buy with it. No one buys just a console. They want games, maybe extra controllers, and other items that make things better for them. Like wireless adapter.

I bought my 360 with an extra controller, faceplate, 4 games, and a couple 3500 MS point cards.

I bought my PS3 with an extra controller, 3 games, a couple movies, and PS2 memory card unit.

I would have went with some other accessories with the 360, but it was all overpriced.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 10:46:22 AM , Rating: 2

Did you just miss the post above? None of us are trying to imply that trying to match the PS3 in features is a good deal. But you cannot deny the price factor of the PS3 as the poster above you mentioned. A very small part of the population is going to buy a 400 console for their kid, and their kid alone. Its the base price of the console, that's all the matters, its simple marketing, and Microsoft is playing it smart, Sony is not.

I'm not trying to say either console is superior, my argument has nothing to do with the consoles aside from the price, and 400 dollars for a console, is too much for the mainstream.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 12:33:13 PM , Rating: 2

If you remember, the Xbox 360 had a $400 price tag on it and it sold extremely well at the price. It was like 8 months later that it dropped to $349. Then to combat the PS3 doing well, it dropped again to $299. The core was at $299, then $279, then $199.

Hell, 10 million consoles sold before it even hit the first price drop.

I'd say price was a factor when the PS3 was around $600, but at $400, I don't think it's as big a factor. If it were too much, then that surely doesn't explain the 21 million install base, compared to Microsoft's 28 million.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 1:00:29 PM , Rating: 2

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If you remember, the Xbox 360 had a $400 price tag on it and it sold extremely well at the price.

Its called being an early adopter, this is nothing new. It works like this for many new products, but eventually in order to go mainstream the price has to be dropped. Microsoft has achieved this, Sony has not. The PS3 boarders the niche product line even at 400 dollars.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the PS3 was at the same pricepoints as the 360 that it would have superior sales. Sony is specifically keeping the prices high to keep up their margins. Sony used to have all the developers in their pocket, but it is hard to continue the trend when you are dead last in hardware sales. I'm not saying their business strategy does not work, neither of us know the real numbers, but it will certainly limit their install base going forward.

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RE: I'll say it again

By JKflipflop98 on 3/10/2009 9:30:25 AM , Rating: 2

Wow, that was one giant string of uninformed assumptions.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 2:14:34 PM , Rating: 1

80 gig hdd
wireless
media card reader
battery for wireless controller
free online
blu-ray

The 360 costs more if you want it all, but they give you the options of picking and choosing what you want.

It's $100 for a 120 gig hard drive. It's $100 for wireless. It's $30 for a play and charge kit. It's $50 a year for online play. I don't know if any media card reader works with the 360, so that's a toss up.

If you look at it, the PS3 has already dropped $200 since it's release. For what you get, I'd hardly say it's overpriced.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 2:51:21 PM , Rating: 2

The point is that $400 for a base console is too much money, regardless of the features. You guys are getting far too caught up in the details. In the end it does not matter how many features are packed into a console when the base price is $400. I find it real funny that I get rated down, and criticized yet a two second look at PS3 sales proves I am correct.

Regardless of how you spin, looking at the three consoles and seeing the ability to play right away at 200 and 250 dollar price points (360/wii) is a big advantage. Discounting this large part of the market is being very naive, if a parent had a choice between a $400 console and a $200 console that mainly play the same games, which would you pick? Do you think soccer moms start comparing the specs in detail? Making their purchase based on the console with more HD space, or wireless capabilites? I think not..

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RE: I'll say it again

By BPB on 3/9/2009 3:13:57 PM , Rating: 2

You make a good point. $400 is a lot of money for soccer moms. But, there's soccer moms with little kids, and soccer moms with older kids. The older kids do know features, and soccer moms do often listen to salesmen. The kids and the salesmen are saying you want internet connection and things such as hard drive space if you can afford it. Of course the kids will also want what their friends have if their friends have something. So it's complicated. I still say IF you're willing to spend $400, the PS3 is a decent to good buy.

Does anybody have a 360 sales breakdown by model? It would be interesting to see.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:09:42 PM , Rating: 2

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I still say IF you're willing to spend $400, the PS3 is a decent to good buy.

I'm not trying to dispute this, I've already stated that personally it is a good buy (although this would not be the case if not for the BD drive), but when you think its perceived price by those that make up a much larger portion of the market then say you and I, its pretty hard to make the case that it is not overpriced (or at least thats the assumption that most people make).

When push comes to shove $400 is too much for any console regardless of the capabilities. Sony should have realized this based on their past experiences. They were in the exact opposite position as MS last time around with the Xbox being the superior machine. Even if you discount the headstart Sony had, the PS2 still blows the Xbox out of the water in terms of sales. It had more games, and was cheaper, and did not come with internal storage. Sound familiar?

Microsoft took a play right out of the Sony playbook, and Sony continues to pretend they did not make a giant mistake when it comes to the PS3. If it was not for the continuing sales of the PS2 and PSP, Sony's gaming division would be in shambles.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 5:22:00 PM , Rating: 2

PS2 = Japanese. More developers. A lot more developers.

Xbox = American. Less developers. A lot less developers.

The PS2 catered to all markets. If I had to guess, the US is only getting 50% of available PS2 games. A lot of the games are catered to the Japanese.

The Xbox did not have this. Neither does the 360. Hence why the PS3 is the winner in Japan (excluding Wii). Unlike the PS2/Xbox era, there is no dominant leader for all markets, cept the Wii, but it only gets a segment of all the markets.

Console install base doesn't mean much if majority of them sit in a single country.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:36:26 PM , Rating: 2

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Console install base doesn't mean much if majority of them sit in a single country.

What are you talking about? Total Japanese PS2 sales only recently reached the 20 million mark as of december 2007, thats less than 1/6 of all PS2 sales worldwide at that point.

Furthermore I fail to see your point, if Sony has a such a pull in Japan, why could they not replicate the same success with the PS3? Please do not tell me price does not have a factor here either.. One Japanese brand (nintendo) being cheaper than the other Japanese brand (Sony) can be directly attributed to this.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 9:58:07 PM , Rating: 2

I was talking about the Xbox 360's majority install. Microsoft can't replicate Sony's success with the PS2, with their 360.

I never said price wasn't a factor, but in Japan, it was hardly one of them. I think it was the available games that played more of a factor. Hell, I bought my 60 gig PS3 one month after it's Japanese release for $411. Fyi, I bought it in Hamura, Tokyo.

The Wii did better cause of it's games. It's a country full of casual gamers. Go into any of their arcades and that's all you really find in them. Casual games on the DS, PSP, and all their cellphones.

If price matter to them, why does the 360 do so bad? It's cheaper than the Wii and the PS3. Maybe it's cause majority of their games are geared towards Americans. Hell a big chunk of their Japanese games are geared towards Americans, which doesn't make sense when they're a Japanese only game.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 10:55:28 AM , Rating: 2

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I never said price wasn't a factor, but in Japan, it was hardly one of them. I think it was the available games that played more of a factor. Hell, I bought my 60 gig PS3 one month after it's Japanese release for $411. Fyi, I bought it in Hamura, Tokyo.

Buddy, the Wii has sold almost 10 million consoles in Japan alone, that's half the entire PS3 install base, you are kidding yourself if you think the low pricepoint of the wii is not a factor in this. I'm not saying it is the only factor, but it is definitely a very big one..

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The Wii did better cause of it's games. It's a country full of casual gamers.

This only proves my point even more, what kind of casual gamer is going to drop 400 dollars on the base console? Sony priced themselves out of the casual gaming market, the 360 with the 200 pricepoint did not. As you have mentioned the reasoning for the lack of 360 sales in Japan is because of the lack of games, but for the few Japanese games that are released, 360 sales spike in Japan.

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If price matter to them, why does the 360 do so bad? It's cheaper than the Wii and the PS3. Maybe it's cause majority of their games are geared towards Americans.

I fail to see your point, what does this have to do with anything? You answered your own question and it does not prove your point about the PS3 at all.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 12:56:59 PM , Rating: 2

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Buddy, the Wii has sold almost 10 million consoles in Japan alone, that's half the entire PS3 install base, you are kidding yourself if you think the low pricepoint of the wii is not a factor in this. I'm not saying it is the only factor, but it is definitely a very big one..

What you are saying.

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The Wii did better cause of it's games. It's a country full of casual gamers. Go into any of their arcades and that's all you really find in them. Casual games on the DS, PSP, and all their cellphones.

What I said earlier. In a country where $400 is a drop in the bucket to them, price of these consoles doesn't mean too much. $400 is the cost of 8 DVDs for them. That's 5 new video game releases. That's 4 meals at a somewhat fancy restuarant. That's 1-2 cellphones.

Go live in Tokyo for 2 years. $400 is chump change.

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This only proves my point even more, what kind of casual gamer is going to drop 400 dollars on the base console? Sony priced themselves out of the casual gaming market, the 360 with the 200 pricepoint did not. As you have mentioned the reasoning for the lack of 360 sales in Japan is because of the lack of games, but for the few Japanese games that are released, 360 sales spike in Japan.

What kind of casual gamer would drop $400 on a console? Umm...the Japanese ones. Hence why both the 360 and PS3 sales spike when a Japanese game gets released. You're trying to judge a market you don't even understand. Much like how Microsoft tries to do the same and fails.

You know what the casual gamer in Japan is? They're the kind of ppl that blow $200 on a pair of pants. They're the type to go into RanKing/RanQueen just to buy the same crap that tons of other Japanese buy. They're the type that will blow thousands of dollars on snowboard gear, go snowboarding, hate it, then offload it at a HardOff. They buy a new car for 2-3 years, then sell it off, and buy a brand new car.

$400 is literally not a hell of a lot of money for them. You couldn't even buy a decent car stereo deck with that.

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I fail to see your point, what does this have to do with anything? You answered your own question and it does not prove your point about the PS3 at all.

It means price apparently doesn't matter to them. If it did, the 360 should sell more than the PS3.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 1:10:03 PM , Rating: 2

STOP! PLEASE!

Your arguments are baseless, you make it out as though you understand the Japanese market when you obviously don't. The numbers do not lie, period, there is no debating this any longer. They lost all of the developers because of their tiny install base as a result of their high price. Sony went from market domination, to barely keeping their gaming division profitable. That's all that matters here, numbers are numbers and they seem to agree with what I am saying, and totally contradict with what you are saying.

Not one word of your entire post explains why PS3 sales have dwindled in Japan and worldwide. There are even books released in Japan called 'why the PS3 failed'. The 360 had a disgustingly high failure rate and the PS3 still fails to sell more consoles. Apparently people would rather play Russian roulette with a 360 rather than pay for a PS3. What more do I need to say?

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 3:45:18 PM , Rating: 2

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Your arguments are baseless, you make it out as though you understand the Japanese market when you obviously don't.

I don't know all the workings of the Japanese market, but I know some of what they like. Seeing as I buy the same stuff. Most of my console games are what I bought during my 2 years in Tokyo or what I have imported recently from there the past 1 1/2 years.

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They lost all of the developers because of their tiny install base as a result of their high price.

Name one.

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Sony went from market domination, to barely keeping their gaming division profitable.

Their game division went out of red over a year ago and have been doing fine.

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That's all that matters here, numbers are numbers and they seem to agree with what I am saying, and totally contradict with what you are saying.

Agree with what?

Xbox 360 - 29 mil install base. Been out 3.5 years. (around 8.2 mil a year sales)
PS3 - 21 mil install base. Been out 2.5 years. (around 8.4 mil a year sales)

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Not one word of your entire post explains why PS3 sales have dwindled in Japan and worldwide. There are even books released in Japan called 'why the PS3 failed'. The 360 had a disgustingly high failure rate and the PS3 still fails to sell more consoles. Apparently people would rather play Russian roulette with a 360 rather than pay for a PS3. What more do I need to say?

Data seems to suggest that ppl are buying the PS3 at a faster rate than the 360. Maybe it was that early release that gave it a headstart.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 3:56:15 PM , Rating: 2

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The point is that $400 for a base console is too much money, regardless of the features. You guys are getting far too caught up in the details. In the end it does not matter how many features are packed into a console when the base price is $400. I find it real funny that I get rated down, and criticized yet a two second look at PS3 sales proves I am correct.

PS3 is catching up with the Xbox 360. Your point being? I think it's more like ppl are seeing the value of the PS3.

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Regardless of how you spin, looking at the three consoles and seeing the ability to play right away at 200 and 250 dollar price points (360/wii) is a big advantage. Discounting this large part of the market is being very naive, if a parent had a choice between a $400 console and a $200 console that mainly play the same games, which would you pick? Do you think soccer moms start comparing the specs in detail? Making their purchase based on the console with more HD space, or wireless capabilites? I think not..

Soccer moms won't even know what either of them are. She'll probably just listen to her kid and get whatever they want. The kid on the other hand is going to set his mind on one of them regardless of price.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:19:32 PM , Rating: 2

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PS3 is catching up with the Xbox 360. Your point being? I think it's more like ppl are seeing the value of the PS3.

At the pace they are going it will take 2-3 years for them to catch up, so I really do not see your point here. You also cannot discount the fact that last time around Sony sold over 100 million PS2's before the PS3 was released.(its much higher now) What happened between the PS2 and PS3 other than the huge increase in price? How on earth can you explain their dead last place in sales if the price is not a factor?

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Soccer moms won't even know what either of them are. She'll probably just listen to her kid and get whatever they want. The kid on the other hand is going to set his mind on one of them regardless of price.

What is this based on? Please gimme a break, not every mom spoils their kid silly nor does every mom have 400 dollars to spend on a kid in one punch. Add on the fact the kids will probably want games, and the price suddenly is a lot higher than $400.

The point here is you don't need a hard drive to play a game, the 360 even comes with a memory card now to save your games on. From that point of view, the extra features to the average parent would seem pointless. Please stop looking at this from your point of view, because you are the minority.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 10:19:08 PM , Rating: 2

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At the pace they are going it will take 2-3 years for them to catch up, so I really do not see your point here. You also cannot discount the fact that last time around Sony sold over 100 million PS2's before the PS3 was released.(its much higher now) What happened between the PS2 and PS3 other than the huge increase in price? How on earth can you explain their dead last place in sales if the price is not a factor?

I expect the PS3 to be within striking distance of the Xbox 360 this year. Maybe even surpass. Big title launches sell consoles and PS3s got some for 2009. FFXIII, FF Versus XIII, GT5, and God of War III. Can't imagine FFXIII will sell as well on the 360, as it'll come out later. Can't even think of any big 360 games for this year, cept maybe the new Halo 3 game.

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What is this based on? Please gimme a break, not every mom spoils their kid silly nor does every mom have 400 dollars to spend on a kid in one punch. Add on the fact the kids will probably want games, and the price suddenly is a lot higher than $400.

Oh, it's based on the same crap your spewing. What mom has $200 to blow on their kid? Add on the fact the kid will want games and now the price might just skyrocket to $400. Is it any different than what I'm saying? No, not really. You have nothing to back up your claim, nor do I.

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The point here is you don't need a hard drive to play a game, the 360 even comes with a memory card now to save your games on. From that point of view, the extra features to the average parent would seem pointless. Please stop looking at this from your point of view, because you are the minority.

And who's to say the mom would care about either? Maybe she'd just slap the kid and say, you already have a PS2. Then just spend $20 on some random PS2 game instead.

Nothing you say is from anyone else's point of view cept your own. From an average parent's point of view, they'd like nothing more than to not spend any extra money on their kids.

I'd say it's more likely that they'd rather buy something for themselves and partially justify the purchase by saying the kids can play it too.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 11:51:48 AM , Rating: 2

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I expect the PS3 to be within striking distance of the Xbox 360 this year. Maybe even surpass. Big title launches sell consoles and PS3s got some for 2009. FFXIII, FF Versus XIII, GT5, and God of War III. Can't imagine FFXIII will sell as well on the 360, as it'll come out later.

Buddy, do the math, simply put what you are saying is almost impossible. The 360 has a 9 million point lead according to VGTChartz. The 360 also has the lead in worldwide sales for a bunch of months running according to VGTchartz. As the PS3 has been averaging a little under 10 million hardware sales per year since release, it would require the 360 to essentially not have one more sale for the year in order for the PS3 to pass it. I actually expect the exact opposite of what you are saying, the 360 is going to start pulling away in sales (following the current trend). For reference, even with amazing games like Killzone 2 out, the PS3 only sold a little under 800k consoles worldwide last month, while the 360 approached 900k sales.

http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons[]=X360®[]=Total&start=39852&end=39880

http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons[]=PS3®[]=Total&start=39852&end=39880

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Oh, it's based on the same crap your spewing. What mom has $200 to blow on their kid? Add on the fact the kid will want games and now the price might just skyrocket to $400. Is it any different than what I'm saying? No, not really. You have nothing to back up your claim, nor do I.

I sure do, other posters agreeing with me (one of which seems to be married with a kid and would never buy a 400 dollar console for him alone, saying it is more of a family buy). I also guess that sales are not proof either.. so who/what 'proof' do you have? I am making inferences based on what I have seen, read and heard, and the number of sales. You have nothing more than straight opinion.

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Nothing you say is from anyone else's point of view cept your own. From an average parent's point of view, they'd like nothing more than to not spend any extra money on their kids.

Obviously it is my point of view (as is every single other post in here), but its a point of view from a perspective other than my own. I splurged and bought all three consoles, I guess that somehow makes me an average joe on a budget.. It seems obvious to me you own a PS3, and you are defending it. I will say outright that I am not the average consumer, my point of view here actually conflicts with my actual purchases, as such it seems to me that my point of view is probably less clouded and probably far more based on fact than your one sided opinion.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 2:10:00 PM , Rating: 1

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Buddy, do the math, simply put what you are saying is almost impossible. The 360 has a 9 million point lead according to VGTChartz. The 360 also has the lead in worldwide sales for a bunch of months running according to VGTchartz. As the PS3 has been averaging a little under 10 million hardware sales per year since release, it would require the 360 to essentially not have one more sale for the year in order for the PS3 to pass it. I actually expect the exact opposite of what you are saying, the 360 is going to start pulling away in sales (following the current trend). For reference, even with amazing games like Killzone 2 out, the PS3 only sold a little under 800k consoles worldwide last month, while the 360 approached 900k sales.

http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons[]=X360®[]=Total&start=39852&end=39880

http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons[]=PS3®[]=Total&start=39852&end=39880

Impossible? I don't think so. Big title exclusive releases always cause huge fluctuations in sales. There is no doing math with that kind of thing on the horizon.

Just my opinion, but I think PS3's exclusive lineup for 2009 is looking better than the 360s.

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I sure do, other posters agreeing with me (one of which seems to be married with a kid and would never buy a 400 dollar console for him alone, saying it is more of a family buy). I also guess that sales are not proof either.. so who/what 'proof' do you have? I am making inferences based on what I have seen, read and heard, and the number of sales. You have nothing more than straight opinion.

Bet you ask the married guy with kid, he would probably say $200 is a family buy. That doesn't exactly say a lot for consumer base.

21 million PS3 purchases. If it's too much, who exactly bought these PS3s? Hell, according to your vgchartz, that's almost 800k a month worldwide. Only 100k behind the 360.

Number of sales doesn't tell me that no soccer mom is buying a $400 console, so that doesn't mean much.

Someone posting that they wouldn't blow $400 console for himself, doesn't mean he didn't blow $400 on a console for himself and his kid.

Straight opinion. WTF does that actually mean? Everyone forms a straight opinion based on what they've seen, read, heard, and maybe number of sales. Course for me, number of sales doesn't mean shit, since it doesn't tell what kind of person bought the console. If you think it does, then please, inform me exactly how many of those 28 million that bought a 360 are single, divorced, widowed, married, married with children, etc. Ya, not exactly good proof of anything.

The rest is your opinion based off of your surroundings or off of someone else's surroundings that you read on the net. It's hardly proof of anything. Til someone goes out to every single user's home and finds out the details, we're just doing guess work.

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Obviously it is my point of view (as is every single other post in here), but its a point of view from a perspective other than my own. I splurged and bought all three consoles, I guess that somehow makes me an average joe on a budget.. It seems obvious to me you own a PS3, and you are defending it. I will say outright that I am not the average consumer, my point of view here actually conflicts with my actual purchases, as such it seems to me that my point of view is probably less clouded and probably far more based on fact than your one sided opinion.

I never said anyone here was an average consumer. I know I definitely am not.

I simply look at my work environment. Majority of the mom/dad's who have bought a console, bought a Wii. Something they can play with their kids. Behind that is those that don't buy any consoles, as they are too cash strapped to get one or don't care to get one. From there, I usually see the dad making the electronic purchase (probably cause guys like tech gadgets more than women or something). They either buy what their friends have or simply already made the decision on what they want.

For the single ppl, it's a toss up. I haven't seen any of the girls buy any consoles. For the guys seems like a 60/40 split for 360 or PS3 purchases, with the 360 ahead. That's guess work there, but you can definitely tell the 360 is ahead. Many others also purchase both.

My office. 2 Wii owners (both married with kids), 3 PS3 owners (2 single, 1 divorced with kid), 1 PS3/Xbox 360 owner (1 single), 2 PS3/Xbox 360/Wii owners (1 single, 1 married with kids), 1 Xbox 360 owner (1 married with kids), 7 no-console owners (5 married with kids, 2 single).

You're office might be the same. It might be completely different. Hell if I know. I do know one thing. Nothing you say, nothing I say, nothing anyone else says shows the whole picture of what's going on.

I can say that every married person in Colorado has bought a PS3 for their kid. Can you prove to me that I'm wrong? Can I prove that I'm right?

To quote your own words.

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You have nothing more than straight opinion.

Whatever the fuck that means.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 2:30:49 PM , Rating: 1

-I said almost impossible, and it is, as I have already explained why.

-I too agree the PS3 lineup looks pretty good, but that does not validate your point, the PS3 is still going to be behind the 360 in total sales after this year, regardless of the games that are released.

-The rest of your post is just the same old same old.. The PS3 trails in sales, that is all that matters. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the price was a major influence in this.

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I can say that every married person in Colorado has bought a PS3 for their kid. Can you prove to me that I'm wrong? Can I prove that I'm right?

You are arguing semantics here buddy. The PS3 trails in sales period!, thus there must be a reason. What other reason other than high price can you come up with? You have yet to try and explain this, instead you have given a bunch of opinion based rants that prove nothing. If you have not realized I am validating the numbers that have been presented, I don't know why you are going off on a tangent, but none of your posts give any explanation as to why PS3 sales are so low, if price does not make a difference.

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Whatever the fuck that means.

It means your responses are 100% opinion based, not backed by numbers or anything. I've made some inferences that I think are valid, you have made no such attempt to validate your opinions, thus they remain just that, 'straight opinion', not fact, nor an inference based on fact.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 4:12:35 PM , Rating: 2

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-I said almost impossible, and it is, as I have already explained why.

-I too agree the PS3 lineup looks pretty good, but that does not validate your point, the PS3 is still going to be behind the 360 in total sales after this year, regardless of the games that are released.

-The rest of your post is just the same old same old.. The PS3 trails in sales, that is all that matters. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the price was a major influence in this.

I said I expect the PS3 to be within striking distance of the Xbox 360 this year. Maybe even surpass. That's not to say it will.

If the PS3 sells near the same as the 360 and sometime surprasses on big game releases, I don't think the price is a major influence. Sure an influence, but I don't think it's a major one. I'd say the games available is a bigger deciding factor.

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You are arguing semantics here buddy. The PS3 trails in sales period!, thus there must be a reason. What other reason other than high price can you come up with? You have yet to try and explain this, instead you have given a bunch of opinion based rants that prove nothing. If you have not realized I am validating the numbers that have been presented, I don't know why you are going off on a tangent, but none of your posts give any explanation as to why PS3 sales are so low, if price does not make a difference.

Wait wait wait. Isn't your explainations nothing more than opinion? Sales does not tell you why some bought the console and some didn't. Hell, it doesn't do more than tell you X amount of consoles sold each month, quarter, year, etc.

Until you decide to talk to each person in the world why they did or didn't buy a console, all you have is opinion. My opinion is the list of games available for the console. The 360 simply has a larger list of games. Both consoles have their small list of exclusives, but it's up to the purchaser to decide which they think has a better list.

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It means your responses are 100% opinion based, not backed by numbers or anything. I've made some inferences that I think are valid, you have made no such attempt to validate your opinions, thus they remain just that, 'straight opinion', not fact, nor an inference based on fact.

And your responses are also 100% opinion based. Sale numbers don't tell me crap. The 1-2 responses on this thread don't tell me anything cept what those 1-2 responses said.

What inferences have you made that you think are valid? And don't spew off crap about sales numbers as it doesn't tell me anything. It doesn't tell me who buys consoles. It doesn't tell me why they buy consoles. Nor does it tell me why ppl don't buy consoles and why they didn't buy them. All it tells me is that a specific amount of consoles have been sold.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 5:26:26 PM , Rating: 2

-360 still manages to outsell PS3 even when good games come out.

-360 has more sales even though it had close to a 30% failure rate. It sold 20 million consoles after RROD was a well known issue to just about everyone, and continues to sell.

-PS3 still lags behind in console sales even though it has matched the 360 in their gaming catalog for some time. If anything the PS3 has the better games out right now with games like killzone 2 and Little Big Planet. For reference Killzone 2 sold 350k copies this last week, the best selling 360 game had 85k copies.

There you go, without bringing 'just' sales into.

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It doesn't tell me who buys consoles. It doesn't tell me why they buy consoles. Nor does it tell me why ppl don't buy consoles and why they didn't buy them. All it tells me is that a specific amount of consoles have been sold.

You are getting way too caught up with demographics here. You will never have these figures, its just not possible. But.. its not exactly a groundbreaking assumption to think that price affects sales. That's Marketing 101. I'm not the first one to come to this conclusion either. Merely opening my local newspaper I will see an article on the subject at least once a month.

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 2:16:18 PM , Rating: 2

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So what you're saying is, when the PS3 drops to $99 you'll buy it? Well who the hell wouldn't!?

No what I am saying is they should BE competitive with price, hell release a machine, strip the HDD, the Wireless, the card bus and position it against the Arcade in PRICE, there *are* people out there who don't want all that extra gear if they aren't going to use it!

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Even dropping a couple of hundred would be nuts. $199 for all that the PS3 has to offer? $399 minus a few hundred dollars is $99! THAT would be insane.

I think your missing the prices I listed earlier, not everyone lives in the United States.

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Geez, how many 360 users buy the $99 wireless adapter? That puts the 360 at or above the PS3 depending on which model you buy. The PS3 comes with wireless, so there's no need. I myself use the gigabit built into the PS3. Again, I have the 360 and love it too, but to claim the PS3 is ridiculously priced is what's insane.

And instead of buying the official wireless adapter why not buy a wireless bridge adapter which is a fraction of the cost, plugs into the Xbox's Ethernet port and does the same job?

To me the PS3 is overpriced, it's money coming out of my pocket, and it's to much.

Seriously though, I don't need all those USB ports, 2 - 4 is enough, I don't need wireless, I'll use a Bridge adapter stated above, I don't want the HDD, I would rather buy and upgrade it myself later when I need/want to.

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RE: I'll say it again

By Builder on 3/9/2009 2:37:54 PM , Rating: 2

Good reply. Please see my post above, I wonder if you'll agree. I guess the basic difference is MS lets you pick and choose (which Sony did early on, but doesn't now) and add on later. If they didn't I wouldn't own a 360 as the addons would have added too much to the cost for me. But it's great that MS does it. I wish Sony did it too. Still, even though I would like to see a more stripped version, for what you get with the PS3, I think it's fairly priced.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 4:17:17 PM , Rating: 2

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And instead of buying the official wireless adapter why not buy a wireless bridge adapter which is a fraction of the cost, plugs into the Xbox's Ethernet port and does the same job?

So buy the official wireless adapter that connects via USB or buy a non-official wireless bridge adapter that will require it's own power brick. I know which one I'd get and it doesn't require a power brick also.

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Seriously though, I don't need all those USB ports, 2 - 4 is enough, I don't need wireless, I'll use a Bridge adapter stated above, I don't want the HDD, I would rather buy and upgrade it myself later when I need/want to.

Upgrading your hard drive. Funny you mention that. Considering Microsoft charges you a hefty premium for it. $140 for the 120 gig 360 drive. $50 for a 120 gig hdd that works with the PS3.

PS3 has 2 usb ports. 360 has 3 usb ports. Not sure why you commented on it.

Considering what you'd want to do with your 360, you bring up the price pretty far. $200 for Arcade. $140 for 120 gig hdd. $50 bridge adapter ($100 for an actual good brand). Your cheaper system is now $390. Still lacks rechargeable batteries for the controller and blu-ray.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:46:43 PM , Rating: 2

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PS3 has 2 usb ports. 360 has 3 usb ports. Not sure why you commented on it.

Really they both have two.. the one on the back of the 360 is really meant for the wireless adapter, nor is it really accessible.

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Considering what you'd want to do with your 360, you bring up the price pretty far. $200 for Arcade. $140 for 120 gig hdd. $50 bridge adapter ($100 for an actual good brand). Your cheaper system is now $390. Still lacks rechargeable batteries for the controller and blu-ray.

I really don't think you get it Afk.. its not the features, its the price.. It does not matter that to get the same (if not less quality) system will cost the same amount of money, what matters is I can take a 360 home, buy a new game and be playing for $260. That alone is enough for a large majority of users. That is what makes the price of $400 too much, and that is why the PS3 will probably trail all consoles in sales until until they stop selling the 360.

Your point of view mirrors that of Sony, that power and featureset means everything, meanwhile the Wii and 360 are both living proof that this philosophy is dead wrong.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 10:34:53 PM , Rating: 2

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Really they both have two.. the one on the back of the 360 is really meant for the wireless adapter, nor is it really accessible.

Depends on models. All 360s have 3 usb ports. I connect my USB keyboard to the rear port and I use the front two to recharge my controllers.

My PS3 model has 4 USB ports, all in the front. I use the 4 ports. 1 for controller recharging, 1 for PS2 memory card adapter, 1 for USB keyboard, and 1 to connect my PSP.

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Considering what you'd want to do with your 360, you bring up the price pretty far. $200 for Arcade. $140 for 120 gig hdd. $50 bridge adapter ($100 for an actual good brand). Your cheaper system is now $390. Still lacks rechargeable batteries for the controller and blu-ray.
I really don't think you get it Afk.. its not the features, its the price.. It does not matter that to get the same (if not less quality) system will cost the same amount of money, what matters is I can take a 360 home, buy a new game and be playing for $260. That alone is enough for a large majority of users. That is what makes the price of $400 too much, and that is why the PS3 will probably trail all consoles in sales until until they stop selling the 360.

I understand what you're trying to get at, but I think more ppl want features. Kind of why Sony went away from having a lower model. Everyone was buying the 60 gig and few were buying the 20 gig. The only difference was lack of wireless, no media card reader, and 2 missing usb ports.

I think the early release was what helped out the 360. If you want to play with a friend on a 360, you need a 360.

I'm not sure how good nextgenwars count is, but the PS3 is closing in.

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Your point of view mirrors that of Sony, that power and featureset means everything, meanwhile the Wii and 360 are both living proof that this philosophy is dead wrong.

No, I think value means everything. Probably why both Microsoft and Sony are trying to jam as much features into their consoles as possible to entice would be buyers.

As soon as Sony started doing it, Microsoft had to fight back by doing the same or lowering price.

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RE: I'll say it again

By knightspawn1138 on 3/12/2009 3:44:07 PM , Rating: 2

I've owned a PS3 for 2 years now. I only paid $300 for my 60GB PS3, though. When it launched, I kept telling myself that no matter how great it looks, I wasn't going to pay more than $300 for it. Then CompUSA goes out of business and I snag a $700 Blu-Ray player for roughly $300 bucks. I literally walked it over to Best Buy and traded it in for a 60GB PS3.

I still think that Sony is making a huge mistake by not allowing PS2 games to play on their new revised hardware - I say allowing because I know there's got to be enough power to emulate PS2 games in software even without the Emotion engine chip. Luckily, I was able to get a first-gen 60GB PS3 and upgrade the HDD to a nice meaty 320GB. Even after the upgrade, I've still spent less than $400 on my PS3, and I've enjoyed it for just about 2 years now, and I've got almost twice the HDD space of the newest models, and still get PS2 backwards compatibility.

Yeah, I'd be jealous of my good luck, too! :P

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RE: I'll say it again

By chmilz on 3/9/2009 11:05:53 AM , Rating: 3

Sony could crap in a box and label it as a chocolaty breakfast cereal, and you'd eat that s**t right up. But you'd keep a grocery receipt showing you bought Kellogg's too, to prove you're not a douche.

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RE: I'll say it again

By BPB on 3/9/2009 3:18:47 PM , Rating: 2

Can somebody please splain this to me? People like me are saying they like both the 360 and PS3, and consider the PS3 a good buy. What's Sony pooping in a box got to do with it? Maybe MS poops in a box and all the PS3 haters (including you) eat that? I don't get it.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 4:20:31 PM , Rating: 3

Microsoft didn't poop in a box? I mean, my first 2 Xbox 360s might as well have been poop. They RROD'd within a month. My 3rd 360 seems to be doing fine, but I did swap to higher speed fans on it, instead of using the stock ones. 4th one is also working fine. Gay that Microsoft kept region-encoded games.

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RE: I'll say it again

By Hiawa23 on 3/9/2009 11:13:59 AM , Rating: 2

I own all 3, don't like the Wii, as I only bought that for my 11 year old, so it's the PS3 for it's exclusives, & 360 for everything else for me, I also own a Honda & Mitsubishi automobiles, but I don't see any need to defend either which is why these fanboys on both sides are hilarious, especially the ones on IGN.com forumns just make me laugh everyday as they back & forth everyday, 360 fans VS the PS3 fans. I enjoy both consoles, & if I had to pick one, I think I would go with the 360 since I have 50 plus for it & only 7 for the PS3, plus PSN is nowhere near as good as LIVE, especially the terrible mic quality& I don't really see a need to surf the web on console as it sits next to my PC, & the web browser itself isn't very good. I like Killzone2, but it aint the end all be all to FPSs, & actually I find it lacking in many areas outside of the visuals. Is this really news as it's clear the Japan folks have not liked the orig Xbox or 360 so shouldn't the PS3 do well in it's host country in comparison, or am I in the minority?

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 11:40:17 AM , Rating: 2

Actually it's more along the lines of "Games Availability" that is at fault in Japan.

For instance when Infinite Undiscovery was released in Japan, it outsold not only the PS3 but the Wii as well.
When Tales of Vesperia was released the Xbox 360 actually sold out in Japan.

So I'm thinking it's more of a "Lack of Japanese RPG's" than anything else that has seen the pretty poor sales in the region.

It will be interesting when the new Final Fantasy game is released as a cross-platform title on how the sales turn out, and which console has the edge in image quality in that particular game.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 1:32:57 PM , Rating: 2

The PS3 is doing better in Japan than the 360 is. It's also doing better in Europe than the 360 is. Hell, the PS3 is closing the gap in total console sales between it and the 360.

I personally don't care too much. I own a PS3 and two 360s (plus 2 broken 360s). I use my PS3 more than my 360. It's mainly cause of the blu-ray in the PS3. Take that out and I probably game on both the same amount.

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 11:33:11 AM , Rating: 2

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We also do a little net surfing with it, and watch a lot of internet TV with it. You can't do those things with the 360.

That's not entirely accurate.

You can do those things with the Xbox 360 and Wii by using ORB, And Windows Media Center/Extender.

However, you can Browse the internet on the Xbox 360 by using it's Media Center Extender functionality, Media Center supports the use of 'plugins' - The plugin in question is called "MCEBrowser". ;)

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RE: I'll say it again

By hduser on 3/9/2009 1:22:43 PM , Rating: 1

So you'll need a media center PC as well as an xbox 360? Do you work for Microsoft?

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 2:20:26 PM , Rating: 2

If I did, would it matter? It's fact isn't it?

Any computer, be it Mac or PC can run Windows Media Center. (boot camp?)

There are other ways to get such a system set-up, another way of doing it is mod chips, they were plentiful back in the Xbox 1 days. *sigh*

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 2:31:13 PM , Rating: 2

Ya, but the PS3 does it all without need a PC to tag along. If I had a PC next to it, why the hell would I surf the web on a console? Doesn't make much sense does it.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 3:06:40 PM , Rating: 2

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Ya, but the PS3 does it all without need a PC to tag along. If I had a PC next to it, why the hell would I surf the web on a console? Doesn't make much sense does it.

So many things wrong with this.. If you don't have your PS3 attached to a PC, you are limited by HD space in what you can do.. not only that but you are limited to video, music and pictures. MCE does not require a PC next to your console, in fact thats the entire point of using your 360 (or PS3 for that matter) as an extender/media player (if you pc was beside you, why would you be using the 360 as an extender in the first place?).. It's a PVR, does anything the PS3 does, and the countless MCE plugins for those that know what they are doing make it a much better media center console.

Now if streaming music and video is all you plan on doing, then I think the PS3 plus orb/tversity is the simplest way to achieve this, but for a full fledged media center console, using the 360 as an extender is the way to go.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 4:40:35 PM , Rating: 2

PS3

- user replaceable hard drive. Up to 500 gb available on market.

- 2-4 USB ports, depending on model. In other words, 2-4 external hard drives may be attached. You're only limited by your wallet.

- Built-in internet browser.

- Linux install capabilities. Do everything a computer can do. Some have converted their PS3 into a PVR.

- Certain countries already have DVR capabilities on their PS3. Such as New Zealand, Oz, or S.Korea. Not sure what other countries get it.

Sorry, but a solo PS3 is just more capable than a 360 + PC.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 6:07:20 PM , Rating: 2

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Sorry, but a solo PS3 is just more capable than a 360 + PC.

That's laughable at best, aside from freeview, I have personally tried both, (and still have both setup). My PC, you know the thing you need to get all those music and videos on your PS3 in the first place can hold just as much HD space, and is usable for more than just storage. You can also use MCE everywhere, (not just places that have freeview) to pickup OTA HD (whether it be ATSC or DVB-T) and as I have explained, the internet plugin for MCE is actually a browser, the PS3 browser is pretty much a crippled POS, that is barely useable.

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- Linux install capabilities. Do everything a computer can do. Some have converted their PS3 into a PVR.

Ever used your PS3 with linux? Sony does not give you access to the RSX. It performs like a PPC from 1998. Those that have a working PVR are anything but the average user (or even a DT user). In fact it took me something ridiculous like 5-6 hours just to set up video playback correctly and I have 10 years of nix experience. You can't play games, and it is dead slow for just about everything.

It really sounds like you are trying to justify your purchase. I have currently have an HTPC setup, have tested all possible solutions, whether it be using the PS3, PS3 linux, the 360, or MCE on the 360, and MCE wins out every time. There are many things you can do with MCE you cannot do with your PS3, I can't think of one thing besides playing BD movies that the PS3 can do that my 360+PC cannot.

As I said, if you don't want to leave your PC on all the time, or you just want a standalone device, the PS3 is the better choice. That being said using the 360 as an extender will blow the PS3 out of the water any day..

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 10:57:32 PM , Rating: 2

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That's laughable at best, aside from freeview, I have personally tried both, (and still have both setup). My PC, you know the thing you need to get all those music and videos on your PS3 in the first place can hold just as much HD space, and is usable for more than just storage. You can also use MCE everywhere, (not just places that have freeview) to pickup OTA HD (whether it be ATSC or DVB-T) and as I have explained, the internet plugin for MCE is actually a browser, the PS3 browser is pretty much a crippled POS, that is barely useable.

PS3 with Linux installed. I can just download everything off the net like I would a PC. The hell would I need a PC to do that for?

When configured with Linux it does everything that the PS3 normally does and does everything a normal PC can do.

PS3 can also do OTA HD.

With Linux, pick any browser you want. Hell, pick a torrent client while you're at it. Download with Napster. It doesn't matter.

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Ever used your PS3 with linux? Sony does not give you access to the RSX. It performs like a PPC from 1998. Those that have a working PVR are anything but the average user (or even a DT user). In fact it took me something ridiculous like 5-6 hours just to set up video playback correctly and I have 10 years of nix experience. You can't play games, and it is dead slow for just about everything.

PlayTV. Don't need to be anything more than just average. Other countries have their own versions to work with their specific type of broadcasting.

Those who couldn't wait, simply loaded up Linux and made their own DVR.

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It really sounds like you are trying to justify your purchase. I have currently have an HTPC setup, have tested all possible solutions, whether it be using the PS3, PS3 linux, the 360, or MCE on the 360, and MCE wins out every time. There are many things you can do with MCE you cannot do with your PS3, I can't think of one thing besides playing BD movies that the PS3 can do that my 360+PC cannot.

I have 4 PCs, 1 PS3, 2 working Xbox 360s, 2 non-working 360s, 2 PS2s, and a PSP. Just cause I'm debating, doesn't mean I need to justify my purchase.

What exactly on the PS3 can't you do with the MCE? Oh...also try playing a Region 2 Japanese game on your 360. Now ask me why I have 2 360s.

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As I said, if you don't want to leave your PC on all the time, or you just want a standalone device, the PS3 is the better choice. That being said using the 360 as an extender will blow the PS3 out of the water any day..

Tried the MCE crap. I hate being limited by file types. Hence why I have an HTPC.

Also I don't care about leaving all my PCs on 24/7. My fileserver hasn't been turned off this year. Last year it was turned off for maybe 6 hours, when I upgraded it. It has been pretty much the same thing with my other 3 PCs.

If you want multimedia on your TV, I say PS3 with Linux or just a PC. You're limited with the 360 being an extender. Push an mkv file through the 360 without having to demux/remux.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 12:17:48 PM , Rating: 2

I can tell by your post you are merely searching the net for apparent features even though you have never used or tested them out. The PS3 cannot do OTA HD in all markets, essentially its just europe. I also doubt you have used linux either, as having to switch to another OS then having to reset your device every time to get back to the PS3 OS is less than ideal.

PlayTV as I've already mentioned is DVB-T only, i.e will never be in North America as it currently stands, and 'simply' loading linux and making it a PVR is not an easy task. Those that have done it are generally using the MythTV frontend ONLY. That means it is essentially an extender, the backend is located on another machine across a network.

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What exactly on the PS3 can't you do with the MCE? Oh...also try playing a Region 2 Japanese game on your 360. Now ask me why I have 2 360s.

Its a full fledged PVR in all markets, for SD and OTA HD TV depending on your setup. If you plan on using your console as a PVR frontend, there is no contest between the two. There are also countless plugins available for MCE. Just because you have not used them, does not mean they do not exist. Just take a trip to thegreenbutton.com and go look at the many possible addons.

If you have the skills and time to set your PS3 up as a MythTV frontend then all the power to you, that would love to have a similar setup, but it would also required a dedicated linux PC for the backend which I am not willing to do.

You are also not limited to file types if you simply use a transcoder, which are easily available and well suited even for adept users. Having to copy files everytime over to your PS3 is also a big hassle, which many people are just not willing to do. I want to download something and use it right away, not wait 10 minutes for it to be transfered to my PC, or having to go get an external HD to transfer files. Of course you can also stream, but then you are in the same ballpark as the 360 without getting the extra benefits of an extender.

I am not saying the Ps3 is lacking, but you can do many more things with a 360 extender, and it does not take a rocket scientist to do so.

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 2:54:16 PM , Rating: 1

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I can tell by your post you are merely searching the net for apparent features even though you have never used or tested them out. The PS3 cannot do OTA HD in all markets, essentially its just europe. I also doubt you have used linux either, as having to switch to another OS then having to reset your device every time to get back to the PS3 OS is less than ideal.

Did you read my post at all?

"Those who couldn't wait, simply loaded up Linux and made their own DVR."

Sony approved OTA HD is available in most European countries, New Zealand, Australia, S.Korea, and maybe more. Every single other country in the world can simply make their own OTA HD capable PS3 with Linux.

And yes, I have tried Linux on my PS3. It didn't last long because of the rebooting, hence why I now have an HTPC.

Also what's this backend you need? PS3 + Linux + MythTV + Plextor ConvertX PX-TV402U = PVR. Nothing else needed. Now if you want, you can setup up with a backend, but you don't need to.

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Its a full fledged PVR in all markets, for SD and OTA HD TV depending on your setup. If you plan on using your console as a PVR frontend, there is no contest between the two. There are also countless plugins available for MCE. Just because you have not used them, does not mean they do not exist. Just take a trip to thegreenbutton.com and go look at the many possible addons.

You mean the PC is a full fledged PVR. You can explode the 360 and it doesn't change that. Thanks for telling me all about the good stuff about what a PC by itself can do.

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If you have the skills and time to set your PS3 up as a MythTV frontend then all the power to you, that would love to have a similar setup, but it would also required a dedicated linux PC for the backend which I am not willing to do.

Or simply setup the PS3 by itself and have no backend.

ps3mods.blogspot.com

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You are also not limited to file types if you simply use a transcoder, which are easily available and well suited even for adept users. Having to copy files everytime over to your PS3 is also a big hassle, which many people are just not willing to do. I want to download something and use it right away, not wait 10 minutes for it to be transfered to my PC, or having to go get an external HD to transfer files. Of course you can also stream, but then you are in the same ballpark as the 360 without getting the extra benefits of an extender.

Transcoders. Might as well shoot me in the face. I love how they push files over to my consoles with out-of-sync audio.

If you setup your PS3 with Linux, you can just use your PS3 like a computer and when you download files, save them directly on the PS3. I did it. Course both options between the PS3 and 360 blows, so I ended up with an HTPC.

Having an extender is total crap. I'd rather suggest to someone to just buy a EeeBox to connect up to their TV. Jam in a bluetooth adapter and duct tape it to the back of your TV. Viola. Fuck extenders.

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I am not saying the Ps3 is lacking, but you can do many more things with a 360 extender, and it does not take a rocket scientist to do so.

That or just say fuck the 360 and just use a PC. You have a hell of a lot more to gain doing that, then you are lose. The 360 as an extender if a joke. You're limited to what Microsoft wants you to have.

Sure, there's transcoders. Which end up in a loss of quality, out of sync audio, and a PC that has to work overtime to stream that crap to your 360.

That's why I simplified it all and just connected the PC up to the TV. I'm a lot happier now than before with a PS3 + Linux or Xbox 360 + PC.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 3:38:21 PM , Rating: 2

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Also what's this backend you need? PS3 + Linux + MythTV + Plextor ConvertX PX-TV402U = PVR. Nothing else needed. Now if you want, you can setup up with a backend, but you don't need to.

Haha, I've never heard of the plextor addon, but why on earth would I want yet another piece of hardware? You looked it up once again, found out you do need a frontend, then found some other way to workaround by adding another piece of hardware. What is even worse is you can clearly see it has analogue inputs only, this is not a full fledged PVR and will not do HD. It also only works when your PS3 is booted into linux. That means no recording while you are playing games or watching movies.

OTA HD is only available in PAL regions, thus not everywhere, so I don't see your point. There is also no plan on

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You mean the PC is a full fledged PVR. You can explode the 360 and it doesn't change that. Thanks for telling me all about the good stuff about what a PC by itself can do.

Of course it is, I never denied this. But I am not the one that claimed PS3 > 360 + PC. The 360 is an extender, I've never claimed otherwise which was why I said if you want a standalone product, the PS3 is the better solution.

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That's why I simplified it all and just connected the PC up to the TV.

Lets just end the discussion then ;) I too recently bought a dedicated HTPC because both options were lacking. Its still an MCE setup though ;)

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 4:22:07 PM , Rating: 2

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Haha, I've never heard of the plextor addon, but why on earth would I want yet another piece of hardware? You looked it up once again, found out you do need a frontend, then found some other way to workaround by adding another piece of hardware. What is even worse is you can clearly see it has analogue inputs only, this is not a full fledged PVR and will not do HD. It also only works when your PS3 is booted into linux. That means no recording while you are playing games or watching movies.

OTA HD is only available in PAL regions, thus not everywhere, so I don't see your point. There is also no plan on

Ppl have been doing the PVR setup for like over a year and a half now. I found out about it when it first came out.

And now you're telling me that just cause it only has analogue inputs it can't do HD. Really? Remember the whole fiasco about the how many TVs can't do HD over analogue which plagued the 360's little hybrid HD analogue outputs? Now a lot of TVs are capable of HD over analogue.

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Lets just end the discussion then ;) I too recently bought a dedicated HTPC because both options were lacking. Its still an MCE setup though ;)

I don't do MCE. It's just WinXP Pro. I have other programs that I prefer to use. I dislike being forced into specific configurations.

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RE: I'll say it again

By omnicronx on 3/10/2009 5:04:47 PM , Rating: 2

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And now you're telling me that just cause it only has analogue inputs it can't do HD. Really? Remember the whole fiasco about the how many TVs can't do HD over analogue which plagued the 360's little hybrid HD analogue outputs? Now a lot of TVs are capable of HD over analogue.

I meant it only has an NTSC tuner. The spec of the device says it supports a maximum recording resolution of 720x480 meaning no HD, which is expected as it is only an analogue NTSC tuner. An ATSC tuner would be required for OTA-HD.

This is very different from the 360 'fiasco', the 360 has component outputs which support resolutions all the way up to 1080p.

I should not have to be explaining this to you either, as you are trying to convince me that the PS3 is a superior PVR, you should know all of this already.

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I don't do MCE. It's just WinXP Pro. I have other programs that I prefer to use. I dislike being forced into specific configurations.

You mean the requirement of having a dedicated Mpeg2 encoder on your capture card? That is the best thing MS has ever done for the industry. Now pretty much all capture cards have mpeg2 encoders which save precious CPU cycles. Before MCE it was a crapshow, ATI AIW cards for example captured RAW video or encoded to mpeg2 (very badly), which required huge amounts of CPU resources. Other than that, there really is no specific configurations that you must adhere too, unless you plan on having cablecard setup. In that case it is cablelabs that have set the specifications and not Microsoft.

I will admit that SageTV is becomming a lot more impressive, but I won't be making the move until Windows 7 comes along, and they cease support for OTA HD in Canada with MCE..(really they just broke the workaround)

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/10/2009 2:50:18 AM , Rating: 2

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- user replaceable hard drive. Up to 500 gb available on market.

Alright so you know, you can throw ALL your Music, Videos and Pictures onto USB external HDD's and run them straight off the Xbox 360. (Provided they are a certain container).

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- 2-4 USB ports, depending on model. In other words, 2-4 external hard drives may be attached. You're only limited by your wallet.

The main idea behind USB when it was being drafted in the first place was the capability of daisy-chaining devices, just buy a cheap USB hub and be done with, then you can have as many drives attached as you need.

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- Linux install capabilities. Do everything a computer can do. Some have converted their PS3 into a PVR.

Ultimately the PS3/Wii and Xbox's main target audience is gamers, you would be surprised how many Average joe's don't care much for Linux and PVR capabilities in there console.

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Sorry, but a solo PS3 is just more capable than a 360 + PC.

I think you meant an Xbox 360 + PC in Media Center mode, the PC is far more versatile and capable than the PS3, PC has more performance, and can play a few decades worth of games, not to mention Emulation of all the past consoles as well. (Including the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube).

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RE: I'll say it again

By afkrotch on 3/10/2009 3:07:00 PM , Rating: 2

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Alright so you know, you can throw ALL your Music, Videos and Pictures onto USB external HDD's and run them straight off the Xbox 360. (Provided they are a certain container).

Oh, can you install your games on your external drives? Can you download content and store them on your external drives?

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The main idea behind USB when it was being drafted in the first place was the capability of daisy-chaining devices, just buy a cheap USB hub and be done with, then you can have as many drives attached as you need.

Additional hardware costs incurred.

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Ultimately the PS3/Wii and Xbox's main target audience is gamers, you would be surprised how many Average joe's don't care much for Linux and PVR capabilities in there console.

Never said anything different. Simply listed a feature.

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I think you meant an Xbox 360 + PC in Media Center mode, the PC is far more versatile and capable than the PS3, PC has more performance, and can play a few decades worth of games, not to mention Emulation of all the past consoles as well. (Including the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube).

I was listing why the PS3 is more capable than an Xbox 360 + PC as a media center. If the PC was connected to a TV to run media center functions, then I'd say PC > PS3 + Linux > Xbox 360 + PC > Xbox 360/PS3.

PC can have lower performance than either the PS3 or the Xbox 360. It can also have the same performance. It can also have higher performance. All depends on the PC. Can you say that a 386 with 10 meg ram and 256 meg hard drive has more performance than either of those consoles?

Please show me any PS2 emulator for PC that is capable of playing all PS2. Last I checked, there is none. Then you have the issue of the games that it can play are buggy.

You know what plays PS2 games well? A PS2 and a BC capable PS3.

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RE: I'll say it again

By hduser on 3/9/2009 6:23:17 PM , Rating: 2

Well, it seems like you're suggesting that the Microsoft 360 plus PC is as capable as a PS3 while you're complaining about how much the PS3 cost.

I'm not saying the PS3 is the end all be all of consoles. I just like what it does on for movies (bluray and h.264) with your choice of hard drive size. With Microsoft, you're limited to 120GB max for the moment and Media center that doesn't natively stream H.264 from the PC. It's more limiting than the PS3 on this front.

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RE: I'll say it again

By StevoLincolnite on 3/10/2009 2:53:05 AM , Rating: 2

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I just like what it does on for movies (bluray and h.264) with your choice of hard drive size. With Microsoft, you're limited to 120GB max for the moment and Media center that doesn't natively stream H.264 from the PC. It's more limiting than the PS3 on this front.

I completely agree, but you can plug in any USB storage device into the Xbox and run movies off the device on the console, Flash Disk, MP3 players, External HDD's it doesn't matter, so your not really limited by "Space" on the console for media like that.

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GTA

By dj LiTh on 3/9/2009 11:04:15 AM , Rating: 5

Sounds like a very interesting game (even to someone with no Asian ancestry at all). Also seems like a GTA type game with a Japanese setup with all the mini games and all. Interesting, here's hoping it comes to the US and hopefully to the PC (as i dont own any consoles).

RE: GTA

By TreeDude62 on 3/9/2009 12:14:18 PM , Rating: 3

I have heard it is like GTA and Shenmue had kid. I hear the first and second one a really great games. I did not hear about the series until I had sold my PS2 though. I am a big fan of both GTA and Shenmue and would have picked it up in a heartbeat. Makes me wonder if they work on PCSX2....

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Momentum

By Bender 123 on 3/9/2009 9:03:41 AM , Rating: 2

With this momentum, we are determined to continue our sales dominance. We have always said the PS3 is a 10 year console, we just never stated that they were during a continuous time period. This performance proves we do not need price cuts. In fact we plan on raising prices to keep the out of control demand in check.

-Sir Howard

RE: Momentum

By pwnsweet on 3/9/2009 8:02:50 PM , Rating: 3

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In fact we plan on raising prices to keep the out of control demand in check.

No, they plan on raising prices so that only those that want to work harder and longer for one can afford it.

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Yea PS3 outsells others...

By Marlin1975 on 3/9/2009 8:55:56 AM , Rating: 2

for one whole week.

Well that settles that. I, for one, welcome our new PS3 overlords. But only "for the week of February 23 through March 1".

RE: Yea PS3 outsells others...

By 9nails on 3/9/2009 7:53:13 PM , Rating: 2

Yup, and that number is just 36,000 units. Hardly a drop in the bucket. But enough excitement to get 10% of Japan's population off their butts and buying a new game.

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And Weekend Sales

By The0ne on 3/9/2009 2:18:28 PM , Rating: 2

1. Biohazard 5 [Resident Evil 5] (PS3, Capcom) - 350,000
2. The 7th Dragon (NDS, Sega) - 120,000
3. Shin Sangoku Musou: MultiRaid [Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce] (PSP, Koei) - 86,000
4. Biohazard 5 [Resident Evil 5] (360, Capcom) - 74,000
5. Ryuga Gotoku 3 [Yakuza 3] (PS3, Sega) - 61,000
6. Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (NDS, Nintendo) - 41,000
7. Super Robot Taisen Z Special Disc (PS2, Namco Bandai) - 33,000
8. Aibou DS (NDS, Tecmo) - 23,000
9. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G [PSP The Best] (PSP, Capcom) - 19,000
10. Taiko no Tetsujin Wii (Wii, Namco Bandai) - 17,000

Shenmue 3 next?

By pwnsweet on 3/9/2009 10:07:09 PM , Rating: 2

Thanks for Yakuza 3 SEGA, but what I really want is Shenmue 3...

The PS3 sales numbers don't lie

By Chaser on 3/10/2009 9:00:26 AM , Rating: 1

It didn't take long for the 360 fanboi/PS3 fud police to come out of the woodwork. The PS3, released 1 year after the hastily designed 360 is doing well worldwide despite the US centric dream force comparing only domestic criteria which Stephen's article is trying to point out.

A $199 stocking stuffer might get more "360" sales but the PS3 was never designed to be the bargain basement wonder chasing the Wii. Despite the constant PS3 price FUD Sony's marketing plan for is going along as they had planned all along. The PS3 is coming into its own. The sales numbers don't lie. And I'm sorry guys but a $199 360 is no PS3. The PS3 has a lot of growth and time ahead of it, and exclusives like Killzone 2 and others clearly demonstrate the quality and potential of the PS3.

The PS3 has no RROD issues that still, even today, tarnish the 360 despite Microsoft's sweep it under the carpet, ridiculous cross ship, apathy campaign. And the word is getting around about this problem with the 360 among somewhat knowledgable console buyers that the PS3 is marketed towards. Slow and steady. Sony has not flinched to the baseless rumors and predictions here and elsewhere. PS3 console sales numbers continue to rise and are doing well. Blue Ray also in its infancy is climbing as well. The PS3 follows along with the changes in consumer tehcnology. HDTV, HDMI, Blue Ray and is somewhat related to the digital TV crossover as well. It is designed for the long term, has a very aggressive firmware feature update track record.

The U.S. Walmart PS3 sales numbers really are obviously not a credible forecasting tool for the future of the PS3. But the growing electronics department in Walmart most certainly is.

what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By inperfectdarkness on 3/9/09, Rating: -1

RE: what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 11:44:21 AM , Rating: 3

Casual gamers generally play the wii..
Gamers generally play 360/PS3..

So Whats your point again?

Comments like yours are getting really old..

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RE: what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By StevoLincolnite on 3/9/2009 11:55:14 AM , Rating: 3

It's interesting you say that, Seems Microsoft has been giving allot of attention to the "Casual Gamer" with the Arcade Games, games like Bejeweled etc' seem to be incredibly popular on Xbox Live! these days.

Plus games like "Lips" which saw allot of hype and promotion as well as a casual party-type game. (Not sure what the sales are like for it though).

And games like Banjo Kazooi, Viva Pinata seem to be gaining traction for the younger audience as well.

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RE: what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By afkrotch on 3/9/2009 3:47:58 PM , Rating: 4

Both Microsoft and Sony have a plethora of casual games on their downloadable services. I prefer Sony's games, as they don't feel like rereleases of games or rehashed flash games.

Lips has been pretty average. I think it's cause it has to deal with Sony's SingStar which has been out much longer. Not to mention Karaoke Revolution, which has also been out longer.

Games like Banjo Kazooie and Viva Pinata are hardly what I'd call casual. They take a lot of time to play. You can't really pick up the game, play for 5-10 mins, and then call it a day. Hell, Viva Pinata is going to take you like an hour just to setup your garden and get some animals in your garden, aside from the stupid worms. It's like sitting down and playing Sims for 5-10 mins. Too short to enjoy.

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RE: what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By omnicronx on 3/9/2009 5:49:12 PM , Rating: 2

Which I why I said generally. The Wii is generally known as a casual gaming machine, the 360/PS3 are genereally known as gaming machines, although I agree that Microsoft is trying to cut in on some of the casual market.

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RE: what did i spend $$$ on this week?

By inperfectdarkness on 3/9/2009 7:59:09 PM , Rating: 2

right....

as a HARDCORE gamer...i actually prefer my PC.

i just happened to find a decent, fun FPS on the Wii for $10. so again, why are you hating?

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